We Have the Right to Assemble and Freedom of Religion - Unlawful Arrest of Preacher

[Polishprince]

Also, given that the church deliberately provoked this conflict, it definitely doesn't meet the definition of "persecution", and the pastor and his attendees are no kind of "heroes" or "martyrs".

It wasn't the church that tried to illegally shut down the government. It was the government that tried to illegally shut down the church, in blatant and inexcusable violation of the First Amendment. It was government that manufactured a fake crisis, and then tried to use it as an excuse to trash the Constitution.

Congregating at the church was not the only option. They could have performed their services online.

Not everyone has online access you know.

Computers are limited ,they have not yet found a way to deliver smell waves, so that the congregants can smell the incense. And how will snake handling denominations going to reproduce that experience online

People can burn their own incense and handle their own snakes.

Not necessarily. A lot of landlords prohibit both practices in rental properties. I suppose if the continued ban on Evictions continues indefinitely it might be possible.

 

[WEATHER53]

We abide by and don’t hide behind the Constitution.
Right now I’m not all worked up about assembling. Maybe I should be but like the guns it’s not my priority. I do think it’s an overreaction but I don’t mind not being elbow to elbow. Maybe start with every other chair at casinos and work it from there

The problem is that people are contagious before they become symptomatic. So they go a few days later from the casino or church to the grocery store where they mix with people who are taking sensible precautions and may be themselves or have family members in their household who are at a higher risk of severe infection. No one has a right to deliberately put others at risk for the sake of their slots or Jesus fix. Grow up!

We are always at risk from contaigents. Communicable has in its root commune or community. We are a social spieces who gather together not for the common good but common good is a result, Government is interceding with that and quashing our individual choices and liberties.
You libbies Love to portray the false notion that one infected person who gets within 6 feet of 100 people will infect all 100
There is no evidence of that and in fact stats are conveniently not being kept regarding many issues of the non infected.

 

[Polishprince]

Why do you seem to think that Christians should be exempt from the rules that apply to everyone else?

Government in America is supposed to keep their hands off of Religion. That's the 1st Amendment.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Hey, I found where the apostles of the state hang out.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

As far as Constitutional law goes it's clear that the 1st Amendment Freedom of Religion trumps (pardon the pun) executive orders issued by a governor.

No, it doesn't.

Common sense might dictate staying home but a governor can't supersede the Bill of Rights without declaring martial law.

Governors cannot declare martial law. I suggest you learn what martial law is.

Of course governors can declare martial law in their state.

Martial law in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Straw man. I never said the church tried to shut down the government, so arguing against a point I didn't make is a dodge.

No, this is a Dodge. (Though actually, it's some sort of bizarre Alfa_Romeo/Fiat/Mercedes_Benz/Hyundai/Chrysler mongrel.)

I said the church deliberately provoked a conflict, and will expand that by saying it's a conflict that never needed to exist at all. Under the circumstances, I don't think the shutdown was illegal at all, although that's very obviously a question the courts will have to weigh in on.

No, it was government that provoked this fight, by illegally using a manufactured crisis as an excuse to blatantly violate the Constitution.

 

[WEATHER53]

Convenient way to run a freedom robbing panic when the stats of sick versus non sick are not calculated

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The pastors can have the patience of Job I guess, but some may have doubts this will ever end.

Once government seizes any power, it does not easily give it up again.

 

[Faun]

Also, given that the church deliberately provoked this conflict, it definitely doesn't meet the definition of "persecution", and the pastor and his attendees are no kind of "heroes" or "martyrs".

It wasn't the church that tried to illegally shut down the government. It was the government that tried to illegally shut down the church, in blatant and inexcusable violation of the First Amendment. It was government that manufactured a fake crisis, and then tried to use it as an excuse to trash the Constitution.

Congregating at the church was not the only option. They could have performed their services online.

Not everyone has online access you know.

Computers are limited ,they have not yet found a way to deliver smell waves, so that the congregants can smell the incense. And how will snake handling denominations going to reproduce that experience online

People can burn their own incense and handle their own snakes.

Not necessarily. A lot of landlords prohibit both practices in rental properties. I suppose if the continued ban on Evictions continues indefinitely it might be possible.

Why would those people rent an apartment where they're not free to practice their religion? Sounds like they're not very committed.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

We abide by and don’t hide behind the Constitution.
Right now I’m not all worked up about assembling. Maybe I should be but like the guns it’s not my priority. I do think it’s an overreaction but I don’t mind not being elbow to elbow. Maybe start with every other chair at casinos and work it from there

The problem is that people are contagious before they become symptomatic. So they go a few days later from the casino or church to the grocery store where they mix with people who are taking sensible precautions and may be themselves or have family members in their household who are at a higher risk of severe infection. No one has a right to deliberately put others at risk for the sake of their slots or Jesus fix. Grow up!

We are always at risk from contaigents. Communicable has in its root commune or community. We are a social spieces who gather together not for the common good but common good is a result, Government is interceding with that and quashing our individual choices and liberties.
You libbies Love to portray the false notion that one infected person who gets within 6 feet of 100 people will infect all 100
There is no evidence of that and in fact stats are conveniently not being kept regarding many issues of the non infected.

Bullshit!
Grow up, idiot.

 

[Faun]

Why do you seem to think that Christians should be exempt from the rules that apply to everyone else?

Government in America is supposed to keep their hands off of Religion. That's the 1st Amendment.

Government is also supposed to protect the public's safetly. When Constitutional provisions collide, government has to pick one over the other. In this case, they chose public safety over staying out of religion, in part, since those religious folks can find alternate methods to practice their faith without risking the public's safety.

 

[WEATHER53]

We abide by and don’t hide behind the Constitution.
Right now I’m not all worked up about assembling. Maybe I should be but like the guns it’s not my priority. I do think it’s an overreaction but I don’t mind not being elbow to elbow. Maybe start with every other chair at casinos and work it from there

The problem is that people are contagious before they become symptomatic. So they go a few days later from the casino or church to the grocery store where they mix with people who are taking sensible precautions and may be themselves or have family members in their household who are at a higher risk of severe infection. No one has a right to deliberately put others at risk for the sake of their slots or Jesus fix. Grow up!

We are always at risk from contaigents. Communicable has in its root commune or community. We are a social spieces who gather together not for the common good but common good is a result, Government is interceding with that and quashing our individual choices and liberties.
You libbies Love to portray the false notion that one infected person who gets within 6 feet of 100 people will infect all 100
There is no evidence of that and in fact stats are conveniently not being kept regarding many issues of the non infected.

Bullshit!
Grow up, idiot.
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[Syriusly]

Why do you seem to think that Christians should be exempt from the rules that apply to everyone else?

Government in America is supposed to keep their hands off of Religion. That's the 1st Amendment.

Government is also supposed to protect the public's safetly. When Constitutional provisions collide, government has to pick one over the other. In this case, they chose public safety over staying out of religion, in part, since those religious folks can find alternate methods to practice their faith without risking the public's safety.

And to address the Constitution aspects of it- government can only ignore constitutional protections for reasons that narrowly constructed for valid reasons- for example- the government can tell a church it can only have 100 people in the building because of fire regulations- this is an acceptable restriction on the right to assemble because there is a clear public safety reason for it- this is exactly the same.

Now if the government said that it was only closing churches, or only closing houses of worship- and ignoring theaters and stadiums- then there would be a real constitutional issue.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

We abide by and don’t hide behind the Constitution.
Right now I’m not all worked up about assembling. Maybe I should be but like the guns it’s not my priority. I do think it’s an overreaction but I don’t mind not being elbow to elbow. Maybe start with every other chair at casinos and work it from there

The problem is that people are contagious before they become symptomatic. So they go a few days later from the casino or church to the grocery store where they mix with people who are taking sensible precautions and may be themselves or have family members in their household who are at a higher risk of severe infection. No one has a right to deliberately put others at risk for the sake of their slots or Jesus fix. Grow up!

We are always at risk from contaigents. Communicable has in its root commune or community. We are a social spieces who gather together not for the common good but common good is a result, Government is interceding with that and quashing our individual choices and liberties.
You libbies Love to portray the false notion that one infected person who gets within 6 feet of 100 people will infect all 100
There is no evidence of that and in fact stats are conveniently not being kept regarding many issues of the non infected.

Bullshit!
Grow up, idiot.
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Cartoons dont decide my life for me

Too dumb to understand.
You're a piece of shit.

 

[Syriusly]

Straw man. I never said the church tried to shut down the government, so arguing against a point I didn't make is a dodge.

No, this is a Dodge. (Though actually, it's some sort of bizarre Alfa_Romeo/Fiat/Mercedes_Benz/Hyundai/Chrysler mongrel.)

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I said the church deliberately provoked a conflict, and will expand that by saying it's a conflict that never needed to exist at all. Under the circumstances, I don't think the shutdown was illegal at all, although that's very obviously a question the courts will have to weigh in on.

No, it was government that provoked this fight, by illegally using a manufactured crisis as an excuse to blatantly violate the Constitution.

So Donald Trump is using this to blatantly violate the Constitution?

 

[Polishprince]

Why do you seem to think that Christians should be exempt from the rules that apply to everyone else?

Government in America is supposed to keep their hands off of Religion. That's the 1st Amendment.

Government is also supposed to protect the public's safetly. When Constitutional provisions collide, government has to pick one over the other. In this case, they chose public safety over staying out of religion, in part, since those religious folks can find alternate methods to practice their faith without risking the public's safety.

And to address the Constitution aspects of it- government can only ignore constitutional protections for reasons that narrowly constructed for valid reasons- for example- the government can tell a church it can only have 100 people in the building because of fire regulations- this is an acceptable restriction on the right to assemble because there is a clear public safety reason for it- this is exactly the same.

Now if the government said that it was only closing churches, or only closing houses of worship- and ignoring theaters and stadiums- then there would be a real constitutional issue.

Later on this month, the Jihadi Community celebrate Ramadam. Will the libs have the guts to tell them to cancel their event too?

 

[HappyJoy]

We abide by and don’t hide behind the Constitution.
Right now I’m not all worked up about assembling. Maybe I should be but like the guns it’s not my priority. I do think it’s an overreaction but I don’t mind not being elbow to elbow. Maybe start with every other chair at casinos and work it from there

The problem is that people are contagious before they become symptomatic. So they go a few days later from the casino or church to the grocery store where they mix with people who are taking sensible precautions and may be themselves or have family members in their household who are at a higher risk of severe infection. No one has a right to deliberately put others at risk for the sake of their slots or Jesus fix. Grow up!

We are always at risk from contaigents. Communicable has in its root commune or community. We are a social spieces who gather together not for the common good but common good is a result, Government is interceding with that and quashing our individual choices and liberties.
You libbies Love to portray the false notion that one infected person who gets within 6 feet of 100 people will infect all 100
There is no evidence of that and in fact stats are conveniently not being kept regarding many issues of the non infected.

Bullshit!
Grow up, idiot.
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You're an idiot.

 

[Polishprince]

Straw man. I never said the church tried to shut down the government, so arguing against a point I didn't make is a dodge.

No, this is a Dodge. (Though actually, it's some sort of bizarre Alfa_Romeo/Fiat/Mercedes_Benz/Hyundai/Chrysler mongrel.)

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I said the church deliberately provoked a conflict, and will expand that by saying it's a conflict that never needed to exist at all. Under the circumstances, I don't think the shutdown was illegal at all, although that's very obviously a question the courts will have to weigh in on.

No, it was government that provoked this fight, by illegally using a manufactured crisis as an excuse to blatantly violate the Constitution.

So Donald Trump is using this to blatantly violate the Constitution?

States are making their own decisions on these lockdowns. Here in the Tremendous Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, religious institutions are not subject to the current house arrest.

 

[miketx]

Coronavirus is being spread by folks who show no symptoms. That means the selfish Trump following morons are spreading their Trump virus to your grocery stores and everywhere else.

So they should just starve then. Got it.

 

[Syriusly]

Why do you seem to think that Christians should be exempt from the rules that apply to everyone else?

Government in America is supposed to keep their hands off of Religion. That's the 1st Amendment.

You are confused. Perhaps because you are not American.

You probably don't remember when a certain contingent of Americans was calling for the government to prevent a permit to open a mosque in New York.

Churches/Temples/Mosques all have to follow building codes and fire codes and every other law.

As do religious leaders- a religious leader can't legally have 3 wives in America just because he claims his religion says he can.

In this case, churches are being told to follow the same rules that apply to every other public gathering. Most pastors care enough about their congregation to actually follow the rules- but there are some that just don't believe in science or just don't care that their congregation will infect each other and some of them will die.