We can't have electric cars for everyone.........

[flacaltenn]

The fairy tale of electric cars.......now the truth....

Toyota warns that the grid and infrastructure simply aren’t there to support the electrification of the private car fleet. A 2017 U.S. government study found that we would need about 8,500 strategically-placed charge stations to support a fleet of just 7 million electric cars. That’s about six times the current number of electric cars but no one is talking about supporting just 7 million cars. We should be talking about powering about 300 million within the next 20 years, if all manufacturers follow GM and stop making ICE cars.
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But instead of building a bigger boat, we may be shrinking the boat we have now. The power outages in California and Texas — the largest U.S. states by population and by car ownership — exposed issues with powering needs even at current usage levels. Increasing usage of wind and solar, neither of which can be throttled to meet demand, and both of which prove unreliable in crisis, has driven some coal and natural gas generators offline. Wind simply runs counter to needs — it generates too much power when we tend not to need it, and generates too little when we need more. The storage capacity to account for this doesn’t exist yet

Toyota Warns (Again) About Electrifying All Autos. Is Anyone Listening?

pjmedia.com

But the truth is this......the democrat party doesn't care about any of this...they don't want everyone being able to drive anywhere, anytime....the thought of that makes them crazy.....they want people to be forced onto public transportation....which will drastically limit lifestyle choices..while democrat party royalty will have all the energy and vehicles they want.......

Don't ignore the good in favor of the perfect.

An EV is a perfectly good choice for a daily driver. Most people drive less than 50 miles a day and wouldn't need to charge their cars anywhere but at home overnight.

EVs have their place

EVs should be a consumer choice.. NEVER A MANDATE to try and jam deadlines for eliminating choices to "save the planet"... The plan to put that burden on the electrical grid will come with a heavy toll in deaths, damage to the economy and the ENVIRONMENT ITSELF....

IF -- the architects of this nightmare are politicians and the minions of morons in govt bureaucracy pushing wind and solar as our only path to survival...

Where did i say it would be a mandate?

You didn't say it.. You're the one ignoring the cliff jumping mandates that BACK this move. I'm fine with EVs -- especially electrics, especially HYBRIDS, but the moronic plan to FORCE A COMPLETE SHIFT with a battery centric grid alongside a battery centric vehicle fleet solution is bad ju-ju for health/safety and the environment.,

It's going to be a long long time before we move to all electric vehicles.. It just can't be done in the next couple decades like some of these idiots think. But It will eventually happen

The fairy tale of electric cars.......now the truth....

Toyota warns that the grid and infrastructure simply aren’t there to support the electrification of the private car fleet. A 2017 U.S. government study found that we would need about 8,500 strategically-placed charge stations to support a fleet of just 7 million electric cars. That’s about six times the current number of electric cars but no one is talking about supporting just 7 million cars. We should be talking about powering about 300 million within the next 20 years, if all manufacturers follow GM and stop making ICE cars.
----
But instead of building a bigger boat, we may be shrinking the boat we have now. The power outages in California and Texas — the largest U.S. states by population and by car ownership — exposed issues with powering needs even at current usage levels. Increasing usage of wind and solar, neither of which can be throttled to meet demand, and both of which prove unreliable in crisis, has driven some coal and natural gas generators offline. Wind simply runs counter to needs — it generates too much power when we tend not to need it, and generates too little when we need more. The storage capacity to account for this doesn’t exist yet

Toyota Warns (Again) About Electrifying All Autos. Is Anyone Listening?

pjmedia.com

But the truth is this......the democrat party doesn't care about any of this...they don't want everyone being able to drive anywhere, anytime....the thought of that makes them crazy.....they want people to be forced onto public transportation....which will drastically limit lifestyle choices..while democrat party royalty will have all the energy and vehicles they want.......

Don't ignore the good in favor of the perfect.

An EV is a perfectly good choice for a daily driver. Most people drive less than 50 miles a day and wouldn't need to charge their cars anywhere but at home overnight.

EVs have their place

EVs should be a consumer choice.. NEVER A MANDATE to try and jam deadlines for eliminating choices to "save the planet"... The plan to put that burden on the electrical grid will come with a heavy toll in deaths, damage to the economy and the ENVIRONMENT ITSELF....

IF -- the architects of this nightmare are politicians and the minions of morons in govt bureaucracy pushing wind and solar as our only path to survival...

Where did i say it would be a mandate?

You didn't say it.. You're the one ignoring the cliff jumping mandates that BACK this move. I'm fine with EVs -- especially electrics, especially HYBRIDS, but the moronic plan to FORCE A COMPLETE SHIFT with a battery centric grid alongside a battery centric vehicle fleet solution is bad ju-ju for health/safety and the environment.,

It's going to be a long long time before we move to all electric vehicles.. It just can't be done in the next couple decades like some of these idiots think. But It will eventually happen

But its NOT gonna be "a long long time". The eco-frauds are in charge. California has a 2035 Mandate on the EVs sold in California. The Biden Admin is hell bent to beat that edict and time frame.

YES -- they are idiots pretending to be power system engineers and environmentalists. And they ARE GONNA screw everything up by PUSHING phony alternatives and "battery centric everything". Just like they pushed those squiggly little CFLight bulbs that were a flash in the pan.. Or MTBE as a gas additive that polluted many Cali city water tables and supplies with a carcinogen..

It will be because we don't have the infrastructure and we won't have the infrastructure for a long time. And no one has yet said that every car will have to be an EV not even in CA

Really? You're on the right track here -- but you need to get woke to the plotting and planning to PUSH this beyond rationale goals and limits. For instance, Cali HAS a date for banning ICE cars...


California is banning the sale of gas and diesel-powered cars in 2035. Ford says it'll be ready. Ford Is All-in on California's 2035 EV Mandate: 'We Won't Concede the Future to Anyone'
Ford Is All-in on California's 2035 EV Mandate: 'We Won't ...

www.thedrive.com/news/36691/ford-is-all-in-on-californias-2035-ev-mandate-w…

 

[BULLDOG]

The fairy tale of electric cars.......now the truth....

??? But it is true that you can't have electric cars for everyone... I mean... For a damn good while yet. Not only would we have to figure out how to build NEW battery technology as current flat out isn't possible for everyone to have one, we'd have to mass produce them at god knows what rate that we aren't even close to even with the wrong type of battery.

I'm actually writing an article right now that touches on this dangerous plan of mandates, schedules and phase out.. There's multiple moving parts here.. The religious zealotry to purge all "carbon based" generation is being put forward before anyone sane figures out how wind and solar as the prime "alternatives" will guarantee demand on the grid 24/7/365. This is not practical or feasible for the next several decades if at alll. WHY? Because solar only generates 6 to 9 hours a day and is subject to location, lattitude and weather. Some days even in the most prime regions like say Tucson, there are at least 40 days a years where solar production will be 50% of peak or less. In a NON arid belt, That number of days increases to more than 100 days.

So -- the wet dream is "grid scale battery storage".. A facility being built at Moss Landing in Cali will provide just 4 hours of storage for 300MWatts.. This is the EQUIVALENT of charging 17,000 electric vehicles.. So to EXTEND this to a primary reliance on solar and wind, you'd have to TRIPLE the Production during prime solar hours just to charge enough "grid scale storage" to STRETCH solar out to 24 hours a day..

That one facility uses 92 TONS of just the lithium element in the batteries at that facility.. Thats about 4 months of MINING in Sonora Mexico (one of the largest lithium mines in the world). And equivalent to the amount of lithium in those 17,000 Tesla Model S cars.

The idiocy of all this is the ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT of making the entire TRANSPORT energy sector AND grid generation Battery Centric at the same time. NONE of that ADDS grid generation capacity -- in reality it's a drain on real grid generation capacity..

And the morons in charge of this cluster fuck will hav batteries charging batteries if we let them proceed with this greenie jihadist conquest plan.. And PEOPLE WILL DIE, the ENVIRONMENT WILL SUFFER and we will WASTE TRILLIONS of dollars on this hare-brained scheme.

Who is advocating elimination of all internal combustion cars before we have developed other sources of energy that work just as well? Lots of people want to make the change as soon as possible, but who is saying " do it before it is feasible"?

AOC,John Kerry and others i the Biden admin. and they want it by 2030 or 2035 at the latest,

None of them said do it before we are prepared to do it. Setting a goal is a perfectly reasonable thing, but nobody will eliminate a needed source of energy before a suitable replacement is secured. Quit being so silly.

Know the diff between GOALS and MANDATES? Dont think you do.. With Mayor Pete Buttigieg in charge of transportation, we're in GREAT hands...

Will There Be an EV in Every Driveway under the Biden Administration?

The dominoes are lined up for future President Biden to give electric vehicles a jolt, and the coming wave of electric trucks could help give his policies the necessary momentum.

www.caranddriver.com

Excitement over electric vehicles flows from the president-elect himself, who promoted two distinct EV policies in his campaign climate plan. First, his Day One "unprecedented executive actions" include moving the federal government procurement system toward 100 percent "clean energy and zero-emissions vehicles" as well as making sure U.S. fuel-economy standards are set so they get "100 percent of new sales for light- and medium-duty vehicles [to] be electrified" alongside annual improvements for heavy-duty vehicles.

Second, Biden's "Year One Legislative Agenda" is to include accelerating the deployment of electric vehicles by working with governors and mayors to deploy over 500,000 new public charging outlets by the end of 2030. The plan also calls for restoring the federal government's electric-vehicle tax credit and targeting it toward middle-class consumers while prioritizing electric vehicles made in America when possible.

Dont have to mandate EVs -- JUST OUTLAW any ICE vehicle from the manufacturers fleet mileage requirements. Crank up the EPA gas mileage requirement to 60 miles/gallons and we're done...

You act as if that isn't already the direction the auto industry is moving. I see no need to continuously restate why your claimed fears are so extremely overblown, just like I had to reassure my very young child she wouldn't go down the drain with the bathtub water. Your silly fears are unfounded, and I suspect just something more for you to whine about. Grow up and quit whining.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

The fairy tale of electric cars.......now the truth....

Toyota warns that the grid and infrastructure simply aren’t there to support the electrification of the private car fleet. A 2017 U.S. government study found that we would need about 8,500 strategically-placed charge stations to support a fleet of just 7 million electric cars. That’s about six times the current number of electric cars but no one is talking about supporting just 7 million cars. We should be talking about powering about 300 million within the next 20 years, if all manufacturers follow GM and stop making ICE cars.
----
But instead of building a bigger boat, we may be shrinking the boat we have now. The power outages in California and Texas — the largest U.S. states by population and by car ownership — exposed issues with powering needs even at current usage levels. Increasing usage of wind and solar, neither of which can be throttled to meet demand, and both of which prove unreliable in crisis, has driven some coal and natural gas generators offline. Wind simply runs counter to needs — it generates too much power when we tend not to need it, and generates too little when we need more. The storage capacity to account for this doesn’t exist yet

Toyota Warns (Again) About Electrifying All Autos. Is Anyone Listening?

pjmedia.com

But the truth is this......the democrat party doesn't care about any of this...they don't want everyone being able to drive anywhere, anytime....the thought of that makes them crazy.....they want people to be forced onto public transportation....which will drastically limit lifestyle choices..while democrat party royalty will have all the energy and vehicles they want.......

Don't ignore the good in favor of the perfect.

An EV is a perfectly good choice for a daily driver. Most people drive less than 50 miles a day and wouldn't need to charge their cars anywhere but at home overnight.

EVs have their place

EVs should be a consumer choice.. NEVER A MANDATE to try and jam deadlines for eliminating choices to "save the planet"... The plan to put that burden on the electrical grid will come with a heavy toll in deaths, damage to the economy and the ENVIRONMENT ITSELF....

IF -- the architects of this nightmare are politicians and the minions of morons in govt bureaucracy pushing wind and solar as our only path to survival...

Where did i say it would be a mandate?

You didn't say it.. You're the one ignoring the cliff jumping mandates that BACK this move. I'm fine with EVs -- especially electrics, especially HYBRIDS, but the moronic plan to FORCE A COMPLETE SHIFT with a battery centric grid alongside a battery centric vehicle fleet solution is bad ju-ju for health/safety and the environment.,

It's going to be a long long time before we move to all electric vehicles.. It just can't be done in the next couple decades like some of these idiots think. But It will eventually happen

The fairy tale of electric cars.......now the truth....

Toyota warns that the grid and infrastructure simply aren’t there to support the electrification of the private car fleet. A 2017 U.S. government study found that we would need about 8,500 strategically-placed charge stations to support a fleet of just 7 million electric cars. That’s about six times the current number of electric cars but no one is talking about supporting just 7 million cars. We should be talking about powering about 300 million within the next 20 years, if all manufacturers follow GM and stop making ICE cars.
----
But instead of building a bigger boat, we may be shrinking the boat we have now. The power outages in California and Texas — the largest U.S. states by population and by car ownership — exposed issues with powering needs even at current usage levels. Increasing usage of wind and solar, neither of which can be throttled to meet demand, and both of which prove unreliable in crisis, has driven some coal and natural gas generators offline. Wind simply runs counter to needs — it generates too much power when we tend not to need it, and generates too little when we need more. The storage capacity to account for this doesn’t exist yet

Toyota Warns (Again) About Electrifying All Autos. Is Anyone Listening?

pjmedia.com

But the truth is this......the democrat party doesn't care about any of this...they don't want everyone being able to drive anywhere, anytime....the thought of that makes them crazy.....they want people to be forced onto public transportation....which will drastically limit lifestyle choices..while democrat party royalty will have all the energy and vehicles they want.......

Don't ignore the good in favor of the perfect.

An EV is a perfectly good choice for a daily driver. Most people drive less than 50 miles a day and wouldn't need to charge their cars anywhere but at home overnight.

EVs have their place

EVs should be a consumer choice.. NEVER A MANDATE to try and jam deadlines for eliminating choices to "save the planet"... The plan to put that burden on the electrical grid will come with a heavy toll in deaths, damage to the economy and the ENVIRONMENT ITSELF....

IF -- the architects of this nightmare are politicians and the minions of morons in govt bureaucracy pushing wind and solar as our only path to survival...

Where did i say it would be a mandate?

You didn't say it.. You're the one ignoring the cliff jumping mandates that BACK this move. I'm fine with EVs -- especially electrics, especially HYBRIDS, but the moronic plan to FORCE A COMPLETE SHIFT with a battery centric grid alongside a battery centric vehicle fleet solution is bad ju-ju for health/safety and the environment.,

It's going to be a long long time before we move to all electric vehicles.. It just can't be done in the next couple decades like some of these idiots think. But It will eventually happen

But its NOT gonna be "a long long time". The eco-frauds are in charge. California has a 2035 Mandate on the EVs sold in California. The Biden Admin is hell bent to beat that edict and time frame.

YES -- they are idiots pretending to be power system engineers and environmentalists. And they ARE GONNA screw everything up by PUSHING phony alternatives and "battery centric everything". Just like they pushed those squiggly little CFLight bulbs that were a flash in the pan.. Or MTBE as a gas additive that polluted many Cali city water tables and supplies with a carcinogen..

It will be because we don't have the infrastructure and we won't have the infrastructure for a long time. And no one has yet said that every car will have to be an EV not even in CA

Really? You're on the right track here -- but you need to get woke to the plotting and planning to PUSH this beyond rationale goals and limits. For instance, Cali HAS a date for banning ICE cars...


California is banning the sale of gas and diesel-powered cars in 2035. Ford says it'll be ready. Ford Is All-in on California's 2035 EV Mandate: 'We Won't Concede the Future to Anyone'
Ford Is All-in on California's 2035 EV Mandate: 'We Won't ...
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The infrastructure will not be in place by then and it will take longer than they expect...

Bet on it that they push that date back...

 

[flacaltenn]

Given that conventional engines run fine on hydrogen, they might stick around quite a long time, and the cars they are in as well. Just needs a little solar powered hydrolysis plant at home and you have heating and cooking as well. The cost of those three energy uses is high now and dirty to boot. Changing would eventually pay for itself and be squeaky clean.

This is actually a GREAT PLAN to use solar (even wind) OFF THE GRID to make hydrogen.. This is actually smart engineering, But your assertion that "conventional engines run fine on hydrogen:" is wrong. You can convert an ICE to natural gas -- but not hydrogen..

To get to an EV that runs on hydrogen (and I think we should to avoid battery armageddon) -- you need to push FUEL CELL vehicles. And several companies have already done that. But if the government pushes this towards BATTERY EVs -- no one will ever bring fuel cell EVs to market.

The government DESTROYS the safety valves on engineering alternatives when it pushes jihads like this one.,,

A HYDROGEN economy is the answer for storing energy from wind and solar OFF THE GRID -- standing alone. This opportunity goes to shit with the morons in charge of the assault on ICE vehicles.

 

[there4eyeM]

People would have us think that American ingenuity has died.

 

[Shelzin]

People would have us think that American ingenuity has died.

Given our state of our school systems... Sounds about right, or it will be if not yet.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

LOL sure thing, Biden Canceled all leases on federal land nothing about temporary in it. As for the pipeline it was legally approved and all needed laws were seen to.

So all the existing leases with all those existing wells are just shut down now? You're an idiot. Trump issued a presidential permit for keystone, and then an executive order requiring approval of it as well. That is not our normal procedure for approval.

the pipeline was approved under Obama.

link?

look it up stupid.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

LOL sure thing, Biden Canceled all leases on federal land nothing about temporary in it. As for the pipeline it was legally approved and all needed laws were seen to.

So all the existing leases with all those existing wells are just shut down now? You're an idiot. Trump issued a presidential permit for keystone, and then an executive order requiring approval of it as well. That is not our normal procedure for approval.

the pipeline was approved under Obama.

link?

look it up stupid.

since you are to stupid, here ya go A timeline of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline project: | National Business | chroniclejournal.com

 

[BULLDOG]

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

LOL sure thing, Biden Canceled all leases on federal land nothing about temporary in it. As for the pipeline it was legally approved and all needed laws were seen to.

So all the existing leases with all those existing wells are just shut down now? You're an idiot. Trump issued a presidential permit for keystone, and then an executive order requiring approval of it as well. That is not our normal procedure for approval.

the pipeline was approved under Obama.

link?

look it up stupid.

It's your claim.

 

[BULLDOG]

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

LOL sure thing, Biden Canceled all leases on federal land nothing about temporary in it. As for the pipeline it was legally approved and all needed laws were seen to.

So all the existing leases with all those existing wells are just shut down now? You're an idiot. Trump issued a presidential permit for keystone, and then an executive order requiring approval of it as well. That is not our normal procedure for approval.

the pipeline was approved under Obama.

link?

look it up stupid.

since you are to stupid, here ya go A timeline of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline project: | National Business | chroniclejournal.com

Ok. I just read all that again. I couldn't find the date where it was approved under Obama. Please point that date out.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

LOL sure thing, Biden Canceled all leases on federal land nothing about temporary in it. As for the pipeline it was legally approved and all needed laws were seen to.

So all the existing leases with all those existing wells are just shut down now? You're an idiot. Trump issued a presidential permit for keystone, and then an executive order requiring approval of it as well. That is not our normal procedure for approval.

the pipeline was approved under Obama.

link?

look it up stupid.

since you are to stupid, here ya go A timeline of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline project: | National Business | chroniclejournal.com

Ok. I just read all that again. I couldn't find the date where it was approved under Obama. Please point that date out.

retard

 

[BULLDOG]

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

LOL sure thing, Biden Canceled all leases on federal land nothing about temporary in it. As for the pipeline it was legally approved and all needed laws were seen to.

So all the existing leases with all those existing wells are just shut down now? You're an idiot. Trump issued a presidential permit for keystone, and then an executive order requiring approval of it as well. That is not our normal procedure for approval.

the pipeline was approved under Obama.

link?

look it up stupid.

since you are to stupid, here ya go A timeline of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline project: | National Business | chroniclejournal.com

Ok. I just read all that again. I couldn't find the date where it was approved under Obama. Please point that date out.

retard

Me? You're the one who gave a link that disproves your claim.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

:

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

LOL sure thing, Biden Canceled all leases on federal land nothing about temporary in it. As for the pipeline it was legally approved and all needed laws were seen to.

So all the existing leases with all those existing wells are just shut down now? You're an idiot. Trump issued a presidential permit for keystone, and then an executive order requiring approval of it as well. That is not our normal procedure for approval.

the pipeline was approved under Obama.

link?

look it up stupid.

since you are to stupid, here ya go A timeline of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline project: | National Business | chroniclejournal.com

Ok. I just read all that again. I couldn't find the date where it was approved under Obama. Please point that date out.

retard

Me? You're the one who gave a link that disproves your claim.

LOL it clearly shows that it was approved by the Obama admin.

 

[BULLDOG]

:

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

LOL sure thing, Biden Canceled all leases on federal land nothing about temporary in it. As for the pipeline it was legally approved and all needed laws were seen to.

So all the existing leases with all those existing wells are just shut down now? You're an idiot. Trump issued a presidential permit for keystone, and then an executive order requiring approval of it as well. That is not our normal procedure for approval.

the pipeline was approved under Obama.

link?

look it up stupid.

since you are to stupid, here ya go A timeline of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline project: | National Business | chroniclejournal.com

Ok. I just read all that again. I couldn't find the date where it was approved under Obama. Please point that date out.

retard

Me? You're the one who gave a link that disproves your claim.

LOL it clearly shows that it was approved by the Obama admin.

Again, please point out the date on your link that proves your claim.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

:

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

LOL sure thing, Biden Canceled all leases on federal land nothing about temporary in it. As for the pipeline it was legally approved and all needed laws were seen to.

So all the existing leases with all those existing wells are just shut down now? You're an idiot. Trump issued a presidential permit for keystone, and then an executive order requiring approval of it as well. That is not our normal procedure for approval.

the pipeline was approved under Obama.

link?

look it up stupid.

since you are to stupid, here ya go A timeline of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline project: | National Business | chroniclejournal.com

Ok. I just read all that again. I couldn't find the date where it was approved under Obama. Please point that date out.

retard

Me? You're the one who gave a link that disproves your claim.

LOL it clearly shows that it was approved by the Obama admin.

Again, please point out the date on your link that proves your claim.

fuck off you incompetent boob.

 

[BULLDOG]

:

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

LOL sure thing, Biden Canceled all leases on federal land nothing about temporary in it. As for the pipeline it was legally approved and all needed laws were seen to.

So all the existing leases with all those existing wells are just shut down now? You're an idiot. Trump issued a presidential permit for keystone, and then an executive order requiring approval of it as well. That is not our normal procedure for approval.

the pipeline was approved under Obama.

link?

look it up stupid.

since you are to stupid, here ya go A timeline of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline project: | National Business | chroniclejournal.com

Ok. I just read all that again. I couldn't find the date where it was approved under Obama. Please point that date out.

retard

Me? You're the one who gave a link that disproves your claim.

LOL it clearly shows that it was approved by the Obama admin.

Again, please point out the date on your link that proves your claim.

fuck off you incompetent boob.

I'm taking that as you admitting it isn't there.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

:

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

LOL sure thing, Biden Canceled all leases on federal land nothing about temporary in it. As for the pipeline it was legally approved and all needed laws were seen to.

So all the existing leases with all those existing wells are just shut down now? You're an idiot. Trump issued a presidential permit for keystone, and then an executive order requiring approval of it as well. That is not our normal procedure for approval.

the pipeline was approved under Obama.

link?

look it up stupid.

since you are to stupid, here ya go A timeline of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline project: | National Business | chroniclejournal.com

Ok. I just read all that again. I couldn't find the date where it was approved under Obama. Please point that date out.

retard

Me? You're the one who gave a link that disproves your claim.

LOL it clearly shows that it was approved by the Obama admin.

Again, please point out the date on your link that proves your claim.

fuck off you incompetent boob.

I'm taking that as you admitting it isn't there.

it is and you are just to stupid to see it

 

[Wyatt earp]

Perhaps those claiming our government is not trying to shut down oil and gas can explain why it cancelled all the leases and pipeline?

The pipeline should have never been approved, and leases weren't canceled. The sale of new leases are only temporarily delayed.

The next republican president just okay's it again, no big deal

 

[there4eyeM]

As long as oil companies are making hundreds of dollars or more per second net profit, we know whom their representatives (Congress) will listen to.

 

[progressive hunter]

The fairy tale of electric cars.......now the truth....

Toyota warns that the grid and infrastructure simply aren’t there to support the electrification of the private car fleet. A 2017 U.S. government study found that we would need about 8,500 strategically-placed charge stations to support a fleet of just 7 million electric cars. That’s about six times the current number of electric cars but no one is talking about supporting just 7 million cars. We should be talking about powering about 300 million within the next 20 years, if all manufacturers follow GM and stop making ICE cars.
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But instead of building a bigger boat, we may be shrinking the boat we have now. The power outages in California and Texas — the largest U.S. states by population and by car ownership — exposed issues with powering needs even at current usage levels. Increasing usage of wind and solar, neither of which can be throttled to meet demand, and both of which prove unreliable in crisis, has driven some coal and natural gas generators offline. Wind simply runs counter to needs — it generates too much power when we tend not to need it, and generates too little when we need more. The storage capacity to account for this doesn’t exist yet

Toyota Warns (Again) About Electrifying All Autos. Is Anyone Listening?

pjmedia.com

But the truth is this......the democrat party doesn't care about any of this...they don't want everyone being able to drive anywhere, anytime....the thought of that makes them crazy.....they want people to be forced onto public transportation....which will drastically limit lifestyle choices..while democrat party royalty will have all the energy and vehicles they want.......