War Azeris and Armenians plunge into war as Putin and Turkey look on. geostrategic tensions between them over proxy

[Litwin]

Moscow is badly losing war in Azerbaijan

 

[Litwin]

one for sure Moscow is loosing its ground in Azerbaijan


Today we get back #Madagiz. We will get all Karabakh

 

[Litwin]

This will blow over in a week or two. The fact is that nobody outside a local level wants this war, and it wouldn’t really benefit anyone. Besides, this kinda stuff pops off every few years.

Russia can benefit from retaking the Straits, but they need really proved facts of the Turkish aggression against Russian or Armenian military units to start a "regional war". Not just Armenian propaganda, but the real facts.

To my knowledge, per international law, Russia can use those straits freely.

Yes. But if Turkey don't allow Russia to use the straits freely, it means declaration of war according Montreux Convention.

In such a situation, though, the Turks would get their shit rocked by the Russians. I’m pretty sure Russia has won the overwhelming majority of its wars against the Turks. Nevermind that Turks, since they’d be the aggressing party in this case, wouldn’t be able to bring their NATO allies (who already don’t particularly care for the Turks) to bear.

in 19c. whats about 21?
Turkey's downing of Russian warplane - what we know - BBC ...
www.bbc.com › news › world-middle-east-34912581



Dec 1, 2015 - What happened? Both Russia and Turkey say the Russian Su-24, an all-weather attack aircraft, was shot down by Turkish F- .

 

[Pilate]

This will blow over in a week or two. The fact is that nobody outside a local level wants this war, and it wouldn’t really benefit anyone. Besides, this kinda stuff pops off every few years.

Russia can benefit from retaking the Straits, but they need really proved facts of the Turkish aggression against Russian or Armenian military units to start a "regional war". Not just Armenian propaganda, but the real facts.

To my knowledge, per international law, Russia can use those straits freely.

Yes. But if Turkey don't allow Russia to use the straits freely, it means declaration of war according Montreux Convention.

In such a situation, though, the Turks would get their shit rocked by the Russians. I’m pretty sure Russia has won the overwhelming majority of its wars against the Turks. Nevermind that Turks, since they’d be the aggressing party in this case, wouldn’t be able to bring their NATO allies (who already don’t particularly care for the Turks) to bear.

in 19c. whats about 21?
Turkey's downing of Russian warplane - what we know - BBC ...
www.bbc.com › news › world-middle-east-34912581



Dec 1, 2015 - What happened? Both Russia and Turkey say the Russian Su-24, an all-weather attack aircraft, was shot down by Turkish F- .

Yeah, you realize that turkey doesn’t have domestic means for replacing F16 parts, right? You also do realize that the F-16 is outmatched by SU-35s, and that the SU-24 is an older airframe, yes? This war will never happen because it’s not worthwhile. But if it did, it would end the same way that most Russo-Turkish wars end.

 

[Litwin]

This will blow over in a week or two. The fact is that nobody outside a local level wants this war, and it wouldn’t really benefit anyone. Besides, this kinda stuff pops off every few years.

Russia can benefit from retaking the Straits, but they need really proved facts of the Turkish aggression against Russian or Armenian military units to start a "regional war". Not just Armenian propaganda, but the real facts.

To my knowledge, per international law, Russia can use those straits freely.

Yes. But if Turkey don't allow Russia to use the straits freely, it means declaration of war according Montreux Convention.

In such a situation, though, the Turks would get their shit rocked by the Russians. I’m pretty sure Russia has won the overwhelming majority of its wars against the Turks. Nevermind that Turks, since they’d be the aggressing party in this case, wouldn’t be able to bring their NATO allies (who already don’t particularly care for the Turks) to bear.

in 19c. whats about 21?
Turkey's downing of Russian warplane - what we know - BBC ...
www.bbc.com › news › world-middle-east-34912581



Dec 1, 2015 - What happened? Both Russia and Turkey say the Russian Su-24, an all-weather attack aircraft, was shot down by Turkish F- .

Yeah, you realize that turkey doesn’t have domestic means for replacing F16 parts, right? You also do realize that the F-16 is outmatched by SU-35s, and that the SU-24 is an older airframe, yes? This war will never happen because it’s not worthwhile. But if it did, it would end the same way that most Russo-Turkish wars end.

all experts say that you are lying, Turkey is NATO nemeber Muscovy is dying

"Russia" has weakened because of Putin's adventures." Will Moscow help Yerevan? " Answer is clear no, question is what Moscow lose the next time Karelia, outer Manchuria, Siberia, Tatarstan ?



great article , highly recommend it to you , some highlights :


"
Unlike Turkey, which openly supports Azerbaijan in an effort to regain the disputed territories, Russia, which is an official ally of Armenia and has a military base on the territory of this country, is in no hurry to intervene in the conflict, limiting itself to calls for a ceasefire.
...


- are drones really the deciding factor in this conflict?


- Certainly. Several factors are at play here. First, a very large-scale electronic intelligence system. Obviously, since Turkey is involved on a large scale in the conflict, they have space intelligence data, they control - apparently from space - the front line, they have operational data that Azerbaijan receives, so they know where to send the drones. They use drones on a massive scale, obviously, these are large Turkish supplies, supplies from Israel. Drones are used in groups, they are used in large numbers. And they are provided with electronic warfare equipment. Radio-technical reconnaissance and means of electronic warfare allowed Azerbaijan to destroy with one blow essentially the entire military air defense, which covered the forward positions of the troops....

we see that Russia has become so weakened recently as a result of Putin's numerous adventures, as a result of engaging in wars in Ukraine, Syria, Africa, as a result of sanctions, conflicts of various kinds, poisoning, as a result of this chaotic policy. Putin's Russia has weakened its authority so much that, in fact, this war shows that Turkey is the regional leader in the Caucasus, not Russia. And Russia is afraid of any active actions at all, even statements on this matter,that is, he is afraid to state his position.

...

Russia is in conflict with the whole world, is involved in such a number of problematic issues that authority, influence has all been lost, and Russia is now really afraid of Turkey, because any form of confrontation with Turkey would mean a fairly quick elimination of Putin's Syrian adventure. Putin has embarked on an adventure in Syria that is absolutely senseless for him, and naturally, Turkey now has a very convenient leverage to influence Moscow. With this Russian adventure, the Russian group in Syria hostage, Erdogan can absolutely calmly, with impunity and confidently dictate to Russia new rules of the game in the Caucasus. Therefore, I think that Russia will not intervene. Turkey, it seems to me, will not conduct a direct military invasion from its territory,but will provide Azerbaijan with full assistance and, from an international legal point of view, will generally use this situation. From the point of view of international law, the liberation of the so-called "buffer zone" by Azerbaijan is an absolutely impeccable story, and therefore Aliyev and Erdogan, of course, are clearly playing it out. And I think that here they will move on



"


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://www.svoboda.org/a/30868597.html

 

[Silver Cat]

This will blow over in a week or two. The fact is that nobody outside a local level wants this war, and it wouldn’t really benefit anyone. Besides, this kinda stuff pops off every few years.

Russia can benefit from retaking the Straits, but they need really proved facts of the Turkish aggression against Russian or Armenian military units to start a "regional war". Not just Armenian propaganda, but the real facts.

To my knowledge, per international law, Russia can use those straits freely.

Yes. But if Turkey don't allow Russia to use the straits freely, it means declaration of war according Montreux Convention.

In such a situation, though, the Turks would get their shit rocked by the Russians. I’m pretty sure Russia has won the overwhelming majority of its wars against the Turks. Nevermind that Turks, since they’d be the aggressing party in this case, wouldn’t be able to bring their NATO allies (who already don’t particularly care for the Turks) to bear.

in 19c. whats about 21?
Turkey's downing of Russian warplane - what we know - BBC ...
www.bbc.com › news › world-middle-east-34912581



Dec 1, 2015 - What happened? Both Russia and Turkey say the Russian Su-24, an all-weather attack aircraft, was shot down by Turkish F- .

And then, the whole bus of Turkish pilots was blasted by the "Kurdish terrorists".

 

[Silver Cat]

one for sure Moscow is loosing its ground in Azerbaijan


Today we get back #Madagiz. We will get all Karabakh

We'll see. How much they ready to pay for the next seven villages?
Armenia started missile attacks against Azerbaijanes cities.

 

[Pilate]

This will blow over in a week or two. The fact is that nobody outside a local level wants this war, and it wouldn’t really benefit anyone. Besides, this kinda stuff pops off every few years.

Russia can benefit from retaking the Straits, but they need really proved facts of the Turkish aggression against Russian or Armenian military units to start a "regional war". Not just Armenian propaganda, but the real facts.

To my knowledge, per international law, Russia can use those straits freely.

Yes. But if Turkey don't allow Russia to use the straits freely, it means declaration of war according Montreux Convention.

In such a situation, though, the Turks would get their shit rocked by the Russians. I’m pretty sure Russia has won the overwhelming majority of its wars against the Turks. Nevermind that Turks, since they’d be the aggressing party in this case, wouldn’t be able to bring their NATO allies (who already don’t particularly care for the Turks) to bear.

in 19c. whats about 21?
Turkey's downing of Russian warplane - what we know - BBC ...
www.bbc.com › news › world-middle-east-34912581



Dec 1, 2015 - What happened? Both Russia and Turkey say the Russian Su-24, an all-weather attack aircraft, was shot down by Turkish F- .

Yeah, you realize that turkey doesn’t have domestic means for replacing F16 parts, right? You also do realize that the F-16 is outmatched by SU-35s, and that the SU-24 is an older airframe, yes? This war will never happen because it’s not worthwhile. But if it did, it would end the same way that most Russo-Turkish wars end.

all experts say that you are lying, Turkey is NATO nemeber Muscovy is dying

"Russia" has weakened because of Putin's adventures." Will Moscow help Yerevan? " Answer is clear no, question is what Moscow lose the next time Karelia, outer Manchuria, Siberia, Tatarstan ?



great article , highly recommend it to you , some highlights :


"
Unlike Turkey, which openly supports Azerbaijan in an effort to regain the disputed territories, Russia, which is an official ally of Armenia and has a military base on the territory of this country, is in no hurry to intervene in the conflict, limiting itself to calls for a ceasefire.
...


- are drones really the deciding factor in this conflict?


- Certainly. Several factors are at play here. First, a very large-scale electronic intelligence system. Obviously, since Turkey is involved on a large scale in the conflict, they have space intelligence data, they control - apparently from space - the front line, they have operational data that Azerbaijan receives, so they know where to send the drones. They use drones on a massive scale, obviously, these are large Turkish supplies, supplies from Israel. Drones are used in groups, they are used in large numbers. And they are provided with electronic warfare equipment. Radio-technical reconnaissance and means of electronic warfare allowed Azerbaijan to destroy with one blow essentially the entire military air defense, which covered the forward positions of the troops....

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we see that Russia has become so weakened recently as a result of Putin's numerous adventures, as a result of engaging in wars in Ukraine, Syria, Africa, as a result of sanctions, conflicts of various kinds, poisoning, as a result of this chaotic policy. Putin's Russia has weakened its authority so much that, in fact, this war shows that Turkey is the regional leader in the Caucasus, not Russia. And Russia is afraid of any active actions at all, even statements on this matter,that is, he is afraid to state his position.

...

Russia is in conflict with the whole world, is involved in such a number of problematic issues that authority, influence has all been lost, and Russia is now really afraid of Turkey, because any form of confrontation with Turkey would mean a fairly quick elimination of Putin's Syrian adventure. Putin has embarked on an adventure in Syria that is absolutely senseless for him, and naturally, Turkey now has a very convenient leverage to influence Moscow. With this Russian adventure, the Russian group in Syria hostage, Erdogan can absolutely calmly, with impunity and confidently dictate to Russia new rules of the game in the Caucasus. Therefore, I think that Russia will not intervene. Turkey, it seems to me, will not conduct a direct military invasion from its territory,but will provide Azerbaijan with full assistance and, from an international legal point of view, will generally use this situation. From the point of view of international law, the liberation of the so-called "buffer zone" by Azerbaijan is an absolutely impeccable story, and therefore Aliyev and Erdogan, of course, are clearly playing it out. And I think that here they will move on



"


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://www.svoboda.org/a/30868597.html

Oh yeah, any day now Russia will collapse lol I’m sure.

 

[Likkmee]

"

The Azerbaijani (read A. and Turkish) army has destroyed the third Khojavend motorized rifle regiment of the Armenian (read A. and Putin´s) armed forces, stationed in Khojavand region, the Azerbaijani defense ministry stated Tuesday.


“As a result of the strikes by the Azerbaijani army, the 3rd Khojavend motorized rifle regiment of the Armenian armed forces, stationed in Khojavand region, was destroyed," chief of the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry Col. Vagif Dargahli told the Azertac state news agency.


“As a result, the Armenian side suffered heavy losses; the regiment was completely defeated,” Dargahli noted.

"

I think you need be more sceptical about military boast, especially about military boast produced by the little (but proud) Caucasian nations.
In fact, there are only few skirmishes in the mountains with some tanks (from both sides) destroyed.

It seems that something big is going to happen. The rhetoric of Aliev is too 'straightforward'.

your Muscovite horde (what left from the red army ) is just a bunch of cheap whores

My?? Sober up, dude. It is your country signed the agreement with Russia on the Union State.

 

[Likkmee]

Moscow is badly losing war in Azerbaijan
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Pooty Poot lose his button ?

 

[Litwin]

This will blow over in a week or two. The fact is that nobody outside a local level wants this war, and it wouldn’t really benefit anyone. Besides, this kinda stuff pops off every few years.

Russia can benefit from retaking the Straits, but they need really proved facts of the Turkish aggression against Russian or Armenian military units to start a "regional war". Not just Armenian propaganda, but the real facts.

To my knowledge, per international law, Russia can use those straits freely.

Yes. But if Turkey don't allow Russia to use the straits freely, it means declaration of war according Montreux Convention.

In such a situation, though, the Turks would get their shit rocked by the Russians. I’m pretty sure Russia has won the overwhelming majority of its wars against the Turks. Nevermind that Turks, since they’d be the aggressing party in this case, wouldn’t be able to bring their NATO allies (who already don’t particularly care for the Turks) to bear.

in 19c. whats about 21?
Turkey's downing of Russian warplane - what we know - BBC ...
www.bbc.com › news › world-middle-east-34912581



Dec 1, 2015 - What happened? Both Russia and Turkey say the Russian Su-24, an all-weather attack aircraft, was shot down by Turkish F- .

Yeah, you realize that turkey doesn’t have domestic means for replacing F16 parts, right? You also do realize that the F-16 is outmatched by SU-35s, and that the SU-24 is an older airframe, yes? This war will never happen because it’s not worthwhile. But if it did, it would end the same way that most Russo-Turkish wars end.

all experts say that you are lying, Turkey is NATO nemeber Muscovy is dying

"Russia" has weakened because of Putin's adventures." Will Moscow help Yerevan? " Answer is clear no, question is what Moscow lose the next time Karelia, outer Manchuria, Siberia, Tatarstan ?



great article , highly recommend it to you , some highlights :


"
Unlike Turkey, which openly supports Azerbaijan in an effort to regain the disputed territories, Russia, which is an official ally of Armenia and has a military base on the territory of this country, is in no hurry to intervene in the conflict, limiting itself to calls for a ceasefire.
...


- are drones really the deciding factor in this conflict?


- Certainly. Several factors are at play here. First, a very large-scale electronic intelligence system. Obviously, since Turkey is involved on a large scale in the conflict, they have space intelligence data, they control - apparently from space - the front line, they have operational data that Azerbaijan receives, so they know where to send the drones. They use drones on a massive scale, obviously, these are large Turkish supplies, supplies from Israel. Drones are used in groups, they are used in large numbers. And they are provided with electronic warfare equipment. Radio-technical reconnaissance and means of electronic warfare allowed Azerbaijan to destroy with one blow essentially the entire military air defense, which covered the forward positions of the troops....

View attachment 396875

we see that Russia has become so weakened recently as a result of Putin's numerous adventures, as a result of engaging in wars in Ukraine, Syria, Africa, as a result of sanctions, conflicts of various kinds, poisoning, as a result of this chaotic policy. Putin's Russia has weakened its authority so much that, in fact, this war shows that Turkey is the regional leader in the Caucasus, not Russia. And Russia is afraid of any active actions at all, even statements on this matter,that is, he is afraid to state his position.

...

Russia is in conflict with the whole world, is involved in such a number of problematic issues that authority, influence has all been lost, and Russia is now really afraid of Turkey, because any form of confrontation with Turkey would mean a fairly quick elimination of Putin's Syrian adventure. Putin has embarked on an adventure in Syria that is absolutely senseless for him, and naturally, Turkey now has a very convenient leverage to influence Moscow. With this Russian adventure, the Russian group in Syria hostage, Erdogan can absolutely calmly, with impunity and confidently dictate to Russia new rules of the game in the Caucasus. Therefore, I think that Russia will not intervene. Turkey, it seems to me, will not conduct a direct military invasion from its territory,but will provide Azerbaijan with full assistance and, from an international legal point of view, will generally use this situation. From the point of view of international law, the liberation of the so-called "buffer zone" by Azerbaijan is an absolutely impeccable story, and therefore Aliyev and Erdogan, of course, are clearly playing it out. And I think that here they will move on



"


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://www.svoboda.org/a/30868597.html

Oh yeah, any day now Russia will collapse lol I’m sure.

With cost of “black gold” at 15-23 dollars per barrel, the USSR economy collapsed, and the sovok itself collapsed, and the "golden" horde ("russia") budget can only be fulfilled only with oil price at $ 42.4 and higher

 

[Litwin]

"And then" a typical lie.ru you lost this battle , an did nothing )) LOL . the same goes to this war , before Turks banged only your , daughters, wives, sisters and mothers new they banging are you guys in Syria, Libya, Azerbaijan, etc, ))

 

[Litwin]

Show Me Your Friends, I'll Tell You Who You Are

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Syria's Assad calls Turkey's Erdogan the 'main instigator' in Nagorno-Karabakh - RIA http://reut.rs/30TFrvF

 

[Litwin]

 

[Litwin]

 

[Turkisch755]

The Karabakh region where the conflicts took place belongs to the Azerbaijanis, according to four different UN declarations. Which is under invasion of Armenia since last 30 years. This is the widest point of view on the subject. Everything else is just excuses.

UN urges end to fighting in Upper Karabakh

Security Council strongly condemns 'use of force and regrets the loss of life and the toll on the civilian population’ - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Silver Cat]

The Karabakh region where the conflicts took place belongs to the Azerbaijanis, according to four different UN declarations. Which is under invasion of Armenia since last 30 years. This is the widest point of view on the subject. Everything else is just excuses.

UN urges end to fighting in Upper Karabakh

Security Council strongly condemns 'use of force and regrets the loss of life and the toll on the civilian population’ - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Yes. Karabakh is a part of Azerbaijan as Kosovo is a part of Serbia, or Taiwan is a part of China or Idlib is a part of Syria.

Technically it is a part of the confrontation "Russia-Turkey".
Turkey can bomb Armenian separatists in Karabakh, Russia can bomb Turkish terrorists (and their supporters) in Idlib. If Turkey attacks Armenia without direct American order - the Russians will retake Konstantinopolis.

 

[Agit8r]

Turkey is even more of a threat than Russia, ever since trump allowed them to slaughter the kurds in Syria.

Now they are claiming Jerusalem is Turkish territory: 'Jerusalem is ours': Behind Erdogan's remarkable claim

 

[Turkisch755]

If Turkey attacks Armenia without direct American order - the Russians will retake Konstantinopolis.

Current govt of Armenia came to power with the support of the US which aims to reduce the influence of Russia in Armenia.

Russia wants to overthrown Armenian govt but also dont want Azerbaijan to retake occupied territories.

 

[Silver Cat]

If Turkey attacks Armenia without direct American order - the Russians will retake Konstantinopolis.

Current govt of Armenia came to power with the support of the US which aims to reduce the influence of Russia in Armenia.

Russia wants to overthrown Armenian govt but also dont want Azerbaijan to retake occupied territories.

Russia can work with any government elected by Armenian people, and they don't care about Karabakh itself (it's small and almost useless). All they care - is to kill more Turks and distract Turkey from Syria and Libya. It was a provocation, and the stupid Erdie swallowed the bait.