US Ranks Poorly IN Life Expectancy And Infant Mortality

[Political Junky]

Health care in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

<excerpt>
Currently, the U.S. has a higher infant mortality rate than most of the world's industrialized nations.[nb 1][11] The USA's life expectancy lags 42nd in the world, after most rich nations, lagging last of the G5 (Japan, France, Germany, UK, USA) and just after Chile (35th) and Cuba (37th).[12][13][14]

The USA's life expectancy is ranked 50th in the world after the European Union (40th).[15][16] The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).[17][18] A 2008 report by the Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States last in the quality of health care among the 19 compared countries.[19]

According to the Institute of Medicine of the United States National Academies, the United States is the "only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage" (i.e. some kind of insurance).[20][21] The same Institute of Medicine report notes that "Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States." [20] while a 2009 Harvard study published in the American Journal of Public Health found a much higher figure of more than 44,800 excess deaths annually in the United States due to Americans lacking health insurance.[22][23] More broadly, the total number of people in the United States, whether insured or uninsured, who die because of lack of medical care was estimated in a 1997 analysis to be nearly 100,000 per year.[24]

On March 23, 2010, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act became law, providing for major changes in health-insurance procedures.[25]

 

[Tom Clancy]

I blame the American Diet, mostly.


Japan has one of the highest life Expectancy's because of their Diet and Health. Kinda makes me wanna move there.. I would eat Sushi every day.

 

[Political Junky]

You have to move to Japan to eat sushi every day?

 

[Tom Clancy]

You have to move to Japan to eat sushi every day?

Not my point..

Let me rephrase..

I'd eat Authentic Japanese sushi everyday if i was there.. and it's probably cheaper.

 

[boedicca]

Propaganda.

In the U.S, severely premature babies that show even the most minimal signs of life are counted as live births. In most other countries, they are counted as still born, and do not affect the infant mortality stats.

Sadly, such heroic methods to preserve the lives of premature babies will most likely be eliminated as "too expensive" once ObamaCare is in full force.

 

[Political Junky]

Propaganda.

In the U.S, severely premature babies that show even the most minimal signs of life are counted as live births. In most other countries, they are counted as still born, and do not affect the infant mortality stats.

Sadly, such heroic methods to preserve the lives of premature babies will most likely be eliminated as "too expensive" once ObamaCare is in full force.

Link?

 

[Samson]

Health care in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

<excerpt>
Currently, the U.S. has a higher infant mortality rate than most of the world's industrialized nations.[nb 1][11] The USA's life expectancy lags 42nd in the world, after most rich nations, lagging last of the G5 (Japan, France, Germany, UK, USA) and just after Chile (35th) and Cuba (37th).[12][13][14]

The USA's life expectancy is ranked 50th in the world after the European Union (40th).[15][16] The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).[17][18] A 2008 report by the Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States last in the quality of health care among the 19 compared countries.[19]

According to the Institute of Medicine of the United States National Academies, the United States is the "only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage" (i.e. some kind of insurance).[20][21] The same Institute of Medicine report notes that "Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States." [20] while a 2009 Harvard study published in the American Journal of Public Health found a much higher figure of more than 44,800 excess deaths annually in the United States due to Americans lacking health insurance.[22][23] More broadly, the total number of people in the United States, whether insured or uninsured, who die because of lack of medical care was estimated in a 1997 analysis to be nearly 100,000 per year.[24]

On March 23, 2010, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act became law, providing for major changes in health-insurance procedures.[25]

Health Scare?

Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States


44,800 excess deaths annually in the United States due to Americans lacking health insurance


total number of people in the United States, whether insured or uninsured, who die because of lack of medical care was estimated in a 1997 analysis to be nearly 100,000 per year







I'd rather be Dead in the USA, than Alive in Cuba, France, UK, Japan, or Germany, where they need to keep their stagnant populations from dieing and not being able to contribute to a shrinking tax base.

 

[Political Junky]

Rather be dead in the US, oh my.
If anyone uses "Health Scare" it's the Cons' lies about death panels.

 

[Oddball]

US Ranks Poorly IN Life Expectancy And Infant Mortality

On March 23, 2010, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act became law, providing for major changes in health-insurance procedures.

Stupid leftist kook non sequitur jabbering point, that is no more relevant to anything the 1,000,001st time it's re-re-re-re-repeated than the 1,000,000th time.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Someone call Political Junky's doctor and tell him that the meds are no longer working, since he's apparently reverted back to his first day on this board and is having every conversation he's ever had here - most of them multiple times - all over again.

It's always sad to watch senility and dementia take hold.

 

[Samson]

US Ranks Poorly IN Life Expectancy And Infant Mortality

On March 23, 2010, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act became law, providing for major changes in health-insurance procedures.

Stupid leftist kook non sequitur jabbering point, that is no more relevant to anything the 1,000,001st time it's re-re-re-re-repeated than the 1,000,000th time.

US Ranks Poorly IN Life Expectancy And Infant Mortality


I'm going for 2,000,000

 

[JakeStarkey]

Propaganda.

In the U.S, severely premature babies that show even the most minimal signs of life are counted as live births. In most other countries, they are counted as still born, and do not affect the infant mortality stats.

Sadly, such heroic methods to preserve the lives of premature babies will most likely be eliminated as "too expensive" once ObamaCare is in full force.

Link this. When you do, we will find that it is a lie.

 

[JakeStarkey]

US Ranks Poorly IN Life Expectancy And Infant Mortality

On March 23, 2010, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act became law, providing for major changes in health-insurance procedures.

Stupid leftist kook non sequitur jabbering point, that is no more relevant to anything the 1,000,001st time it's re-re-re-re-repeated than the 1,000,000th time.

Dude as normal cannot contradict either the importance or the truth of the matter. As such, he continues irrelevant in all such matters.

 

[rdean]

US Ranks Poorly IN Life Expectancy And Infant Mortality

These are things only Democrats seem to care about. It seems to me, Republicans only want to get them born, then, they are one their own.

Famous Republican saying, "Feed 'em and they'll breed". I guess it's OK to use "starvation" as a form of birth control.

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This flawed Malthusian logic was (and is) popular with conservative thinkers who are always looking for ways to justify their unwillingness to tax billionaires a little to feed poor kids. Think I'm overstating the case? Listen to the Lt. Governor of South Carolina explaining why feeding poor kids in school is just a waste of resources because they'll just "breed like stray animals."

Malthus Will Always Be With Us | Psychology Today

 

[frazzledgear]

Health care in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

<excerpt>
Currently, the U.S. has a higher infant mortality rate than most of the world's industrialized nations.[nb 1][11] The USA's life expectancy lags 42nd in the world, after most rich nations, lagging last of the G5 (Japan, France, Germany, UK, USA) and just after Chile (35th) and Cuba (37th).[12][13][14]

The USA's life expectancy is ranked 50th in the world after the European Union (40th).[15][16] The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).[17][18] A 2008 report by the Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States last in the quality of health care among the 19 compared countries.[19]

According to the Institute of Medicine of the United States National Academies, the United States is the "only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage" (i.e. some kind of insurance).[20][21] The same Institute of Medicine report notes that "Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States." [20] while a 2009 Harvard study published in the American Journal of Public Health found a much higher figure of more than 44,800 excess deaths annually in the United States due to Americans lacking health insurance.[22][23] More broadly, the total number of people in the United States, whether insured or uninsured, who die because of lack of medical care was estimated in a 1997 analysis to be nearly 100,000 per year.[24]

On March 23, 2010, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act became law, providing for major changes in health-insurance procedures.[25]

The infant mortality statistics are manipulated bullshit. When countries do not COUNT using the identical standards, then comparing them is an exercise in the invalid and only done to manipulate opinions.

Every nation determines for itself how they will count their infant mortality and the US has the most rigid and strictest in the world.

The average counting period for infant deaths is the first six months of life. THIS is the standard used by the EU. Some nations -like Cuba -only count deaths that occur in the first three months. The US counts all infant deaths that occur in the first year of life. So if the EU is counting those in the first six months and the US is counting for the first 12 months, does it take rocket science to figure out which one will likely be reporting the higher infant mortality rate?

Likewise every nation decides for itself what they will and will not count as a live birth. You'd think this would be an easy one -but some nations do not count any baby as a live birth who was born prior to 24 weeks gestation, still others do not count any born before 26 weeks gestation and even a few that do not count any born prior to 28 weeks gestation. These are the nations where they are not counted as live births because the death rate for these premature births is pretty much 100% anyway.

The US counts any and all babies who are born alive as a live birth regardless of their gestational age at birth. Period.

Likewise some countries do NOT count as a live birth any baby who is born alive but then dies in the first 24 hours -and in some nations, even the first 48 hours. Those babies are instead counted as stillborn. Even though they were actually born alive and then died. Again, the US counts all live births as a live birth even if they die shortly after birth -that death becomes part of our infant mortality stats. In reality the US is one of the best places to have an extremely premature baby because they have the highest chance of survival in THIS country where in other countries their odds are close to zilch. Which is why they aren't even counted as a live birth in that country in the first place.

Please do not insult us all here with trying to compare Cuba -Cuba counts only for the first three months of life and does NOT count as a live birth any baby born before 26 weeks and does NOT count as an infant death any baby who dies in the first 24 hours of life. Which happens to be the very time period that poses the HIGHEST risk of death for a newborn. Just because Cuba can manipulate its health stats sure as hell doesn't make it TRUE!

The US counts all live births and counts all deaths in the first 12 months -yet is being compared to nations whose counting period is half that of ours or even 1/4 that of ours - and compared to still other nations who don't count premature births as a live birth or don't count as a death any baby who dies in the first 24-48 hours and is counted as a stillborn instead. Yeah, sure no surprise at all that the US stacks up poorly against nations who all have a far less stringent means of tracking their infant mortality stats. But I wouldn't want to give birth to an extremely premature baby anywhere but the US.

 

[Cecilie1200]

US Ranks Poorly IN Life Expectancy And Infant Mortality

These are things only Democrats seem to care about. It seems to me, Republicans only want to get them born, then, they are one their own.

Famous Republican saying, "Feed 'em and they'll breed". I guess it's OK to use "starvation" as a form of birth control.

-----------------------
This flawed Malthusian logic was (and is) popular with conservative thinkers who are always looking for ways to justify their unwillingness to tax billionaires a little to feed poor kids. Think I'm overstating the case? Listen to the Lt. Governor of South Carolina explaining why feeding poor kids in school is just a waste of resources because they'll just "breed like stray animals."

Malthus Will Always Be With Us | Psychology Today

Why not? It's okay with you if we use cutting them into pieces or spraying them with corrosive chemicals as a birth control. And don't think we don't know that the REAL reason Democrats "care" about infant mortality is that they're pissed that sick babies are being allowed to be born instead of being aborted before they ever even have a chance.

 

[JakeStarkey]

OK, frazzledgear, please demonstrate by comaprison by table per country per categories, whether we are good, average, or poor in comparison to other countries.

The rest of your argument means nothing until you do. It certainly can't be used to refute our statistics.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Health care in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

<excerpt>
Currently, the U.S. has a higher infant mortality rate than most of the world's industrialized nations.[nb 1][11] The USA's life expectancy lags 42nd in the world, after most rich nations, lagging last of the G5 (Japan, France, Germany, UK, USA) and just after Chile (35th) and Cuba (37th).[12][13][14]

The USA's life expectancy is ranked 50th in the world after the European Union (40th).[15][16] The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).[17][18] A 2008 report by the Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States last in the quality of health care among the 19 compared countries.[19]

According to the Institute of Medicine of the United States National Academies, the United States is the "only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage" (i.e. some kind of insurance).[20][21] The same Institute of Medicine report notes that "Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States." [20] while a 2009 Harvard study published in the American Journal of Public Health found a much higher figure of more than 44,800 excess deaths annually in the United States due to Americans lacking health insurance.[22][23] More broadly, the total number of people in the United States, whether insured or uninsured, who die because of lack of medical care was estimated in a 1997 analysis to be nearly 100,000 per year.[24]

On March 23, 2010, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act became law, providing for major changes in health-insurance procedures.[25]

Infant mortality is reported differently between Countries. In the US a live birth is recorded on any baby born breathing no matter who early it was born and no matter the chance of survival. Other Countries do NOT report the same way.

Talking about Japan they are having problems getting hospitals to accept people with no income. A few months ago it was broadly reported when a man was denied access to 19 hospitals and the ambulance had to spend hours negotiating to get him accepted anywhere.

 

[del]

does chris know your stealing his shtick?

next up, guns.

 

[frazzledgear]

OK, frazzledgear, please demonstrate by comaprison by table per country per categories, whether we are good, average, or poor in comparison to other countries.

The rest of your argument means nothing until you do. It certainly can't be used to refute our statistics.

I guess you missed my point - until all nations report using the same means, methods and measurements and that is independently verified across the board for all - there really is no valid comparison between nations possible. It isn't even trying to compare apples and oranges. It is trying to compare apples and airplanes.

Maybe trying to pretend there is a valid comparison with nations that hold themselves to a much lower standard of self-reporting and totally disparate means of data collection has any legitimacy suits the political agenda of some -but it still cannot result in a valid comparison. There is no ruling body that will force other nations to gather their statistics by our same self-imposed very high standards and for MANY of these nations where their health care system is owned and controlled by the government, those governments are NOT interested in any VALID comparison in the first place and consider it to be just another propaganda tool instead.

Cuba is the perfect example of that -no statistics and no information about their health care system reported by their government is reliable or accurate. NONE of it and no one in their right mind takes any self reporting by the Cubans at face value. It is just a tool of propaganda for the Cuban government that does not reflect the reality the Cubans endure. The ruling communists STILL insist that in spite of the thousands who gladly risk their lives to try and flee that tiny nation every single year, in spite of the fact the average Cuban is allowed just $15 a week -that the communists created a real "paradise" on earth. Such a "wonderful" system it requires the force of government to prevent people from fleeing and forcing them to stay put as the captive SLAVES of the government -which they are! There is no way the Cuban government would EVER allow a true report on any aspect of their broken ass utter failure of a system because it would be the same thing as standing up and shouting to the entire world what a lying SHAM their system is and always has been.

Cuba has a two tiered health care system and the top tier is reserved STRICTLY for the party elite and tourists. Cubans are forced to pay for that system as well but are confined to the bottom tier where the hospitals and clinics are run down, dirty and suffering from a constant shortage of qualified personnel as well as the very basics in medications and supplies. The notion the TRUE statistics from such a system would compare favorably with our own is LAUGHABLE! Or do you really think the thousands who willingly choose to risk their DEATH just in the HOPES of escaping have just failed to notice how "good" they actually have it there? Are you kidding? No one in their right mind gives any credence to the fairy tale fantasies coming from the communist Cuban government or pretend it has any bearing on the reality the Cubans are forced to endure. I'm sorry but it is physically impossible for a system that suffers the very real and chronic shortages of medications, supplies and personnel to perform the way the Cuban government CLAIMS it does. The shortages have been repeatedly verified -it is the lying ass claims of this government that have NOT.

In fact the more closed and oppressive the system of government the less likely data and statistics have been accurately collected at all and it is far more likely the statistics have been manipulated, massaged and even outright falsified in order to use it as a form of propaganda instead. Cuba's health care statistics are made up bullshit from one end to the other but STILL has no bearing on the reality imposed on the Cuban people. The Cuban government has NO motive to accurately report on their broken system and EVERY reason not to -so they don't. And since the Cuban government will never allow an independent collection and review to occur, pretending a valid comparison with our own system is even possible, much less it is our system that comes up short is ridiculous on its face. You have to be significantly impaired to believe that any health care system that suffers from a constant shortage of such basics as NEOSPORIN OINTMENT as does the bottom tier of that health care system and the only tier the average Cuban is allowed to access at all -not only compares favorably to our own but even out performs it is ludicrous. No one in their right mind gives any credence to the nonstop self-aggrandizement of the corrupt communist Cuban government and its nonstop lying ass claims that its broke and broken down system is among the best in the world. Yeah right -and Somalia's is right up there with Cuba's. GET REAL and stop being such a tool.


Until the day comes that all nations use the VERIFIED identical means and methods we do -which isn't going to happen -then the only means of gauging any nation's health care system is by the level of demand for that system that exists outside of that country.

In other words, which nation's health care system is sought out by the rich and powerful in the world who can afford to pay for access to the very best in the world? That tells you everything you need to know about where our own system REALLY ranks. Not a bunch of heavily manipulated statistics used primarily for propaganda by most nations of the world which is then repeated by tools and useful idiots like you who suffer from some kind of perverted need to believe the worst about your own country at all times.

Such disparately collected data cannot produce a valid comparison of ANYTHING and those who still insist it will are feeding others pure BULLSHIT.