US funds for terrorist groups.

[Indofred]

On the trail of US funds for IRA / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

New York
Funds raised in the United States ostensibly for charitable relief work in Northern Ireland have been diverted for the purchase of guns and bombmaking equipment for the outlawed Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA), according to US federal court documents. The funds, raised through pub collections and testimonial dinners by the Irish Northern Aid Committee (Noraid) of New York City, are channeled through An Cumman Cabhrach, a relief organization in Dublin.

But on several occasions in 1982 and 1983 some of the Noraid funds were siphoned off to finance IRA shopping expeditions in the US for guns and other military hardware, according to the testimony of Michael Hanratty, a former electronics purchaser for the IRA who turned federal informant in 1982.

``Money supplied by Noraid was sent over to Ireland,'' Mr. Hanratty testified in the 1983 Brooklyn gunrunning trial of Gabriel Megahey and Andrew Duggan. ``At that point, when equipment was to be purchased, a courier then took some of the money that was needed and carried it back to this country.

Given America's terrorist supporting past, should the US have any real say in today's world?

 

[High_Gravity]

US taxpayer money ends up in Hamas, Hezbollah, and Taliban wallets indirectly.

 

[Katzndogz]

US taxpayer money ends up in Hamas, Hezbollah, and Taliban wallets indirectly.

US taxpayer funds ends up in the wallets of the muslim brotherhood directly.

 

[Indofred]

Americans funded the IRA, Directly.

Or don't you like that mentioned now America has a war on terror?

 

[Indofred]

 

[High_Gravity]

US taxpayer money ends up in Hamas, Hezbollah, and Taliban wallets indirectly.

US taxpayer funds ends up in the wallets of the muslim brotherhood directly.

Yes.

 

[Indofred]

Look at what the US funded.

and children bombed by the US funded IRA.

But all we hear is excuses for American funded terror.

 

[High_Gravity]

So what do you want us to tell you?

 

[Indofred]

BBC News | AMERICAS | Rich friends in New York

While all American eyes are currently fixed on Muslim extremists, politicians in Northern Ireland have urged President Bush to extend the clampdown to those who raise funds for Irish paramilitary groups

Even after 9/11, Americans were still funding terrorists.

 

[High_Gravity]

BBC News | AMERICAS | Rich friends in New York

While all American eyes are currently fixed on Muslim extremists, politicians in Northern Ireland have urged President Bush to extend the clampdown to those who raise funds for Irish paramilitary groups

Even after 9/11, Americans were still funding terrorists.

And?

 

[Indofred]

BBC News | AMERICAS | Rich friends in New York

While all American eyes are currently fixed on Muslim extremists, politicians in Northern Ireland have urged President Bush to extend the clampdown to those who raise funds for Irish paramilitary groups

Even after 9/11, Americans were still funding terrorists.

And?

I'm asking if America has the moral ability to wage a war against terror when it clearly supported terror for so many years.

 

[High_Gravity]

BBC News | AMERICAS | Rich friends in New York



Even after 9/11, Americans were still funding terrorists.

And?

I'm asking if America has the moral ability to wage a war against terror when it clearly supported terror for so many years.

Sure we do.

 

[Indofred]

And?

I'm asking if America has the moral ability to wage a war against terror when it clearly supported terror for so many years.

Sure we do.

Please explain why and explain your failure to condemn US funded terrorist murder.

 

[High_Gravity]

I'm asking if America has the moral ability to wage a war against terror when it clearly supported terror for so many years.

Sure we do.

Please explain why and explain your failure to condemn US funded terrorist murder.

I never said it was ok, but these Islamic terrorist groups have been at war with us for decades, no reason we can't go after them if the opportunity presents itself.

 

[Mad Scientist]

How do you expect the Military Industrial Complex to keep rolling and providing good paying jobs to Americans if there's no enemy?

 

[Connery]

On the trail of US funds for IRA / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

New York
Funds raised in the United States ostensibly for charitable relief work in Northern Ireland have been diverted for the purchase of guns and bombmaking equipment for the outlawed Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA), according to US federal court documents. The funds, raised through pub collections and testimonial dinners by the Irish Northern Aid Committee (Noraid) of New York City, are channeled through An Cumman Cabhrach, a relief organization in Dublin.

But on several occasions in 1982 and 1983 some of the Noraid funds were siphoned off to finance IRA shopping expeditions in the US for guns and other military hardware, according to the testimony of Michael Hanratty, a former electronics purchaser for the IRA who turned federal informant in 1982.

``Money supplied by Noraid was sent over to Ireland,'' Mr. Hanratty testified in the 1983 Brooklyn gunrunning trial of Gabriel Megahey and Andrew Duggan. ``At that point, when equipment was to be purchased, a courier then took some of the money that was needed and carried it back to this country.

Given America's terrorist supporting past, should the US have any real say in today's world?

These funds were given by private individuals not the US government. How can you reconcile your statement to suggest that the US should not have a say rather than the individuals who support terrorism.

 

[thanatos144]

So if the Irish committed terrorism it makes it okay for a bunch of radical Muslims to do the same in the name of a pedophile?

 

[Connery]

Sure we do.

Please explain why and explain your failure to condemn US funded terrorist murder.

I never said it was ok, but these Islamic terrorist groups have been at war with us for decades, no reason we can't go after them if the opportunity presents itself.

Decades? How about since the time of Thomas Jefferson and the First Barbary War(1801-1805) where "In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once."(See American Peace Commissioners to John Jay," March 28, 1786, "Thomas Jefferson Papers," Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651–1827, Library of Congress. LoC: March 28, 1786"

The US has been dealing with this for a very long time.

 

[High_Gravity]

Please explain why and explain your failure to condemn US funded terrorist murder.

I never said it was ok, but these Islamic terrorist groups have been at war with us for decades, no reason we can't go after them if the opportunity presents itself.

Decades? How about since the time of Thomas Jefferson and the First Barbary War(1801-1805) where "In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once."(See American Peace Commissioners to John Jay," March 28, 1786, "Thomas Jefferson Papers," Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651–1827, Library of Congress. LoC: March 28, 1786"

The US has been dealing with this for a very long time.

Good point.

 

[sealadaigh]

On the trail of US funds for IRA / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

New York
Funds raised in the United States ostensibly for charitable relief work in Northern Ireland have been diverted for the purchase of guns and bombmaking equipment for the outlawed Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA), according to US federal court documents. The funds, raised through pub collections and testimonial dinners by the Irish Northern Aid Committee (Noraid) of New York City, are channeled through An Cumman Cabhrach, a relief organization in Dublin.

But on several occasions in 1982 and 1983 some of the Noraid funds were siphoned off to finance IRA shopping expeditions in the US for guns and other military hardware, according to the testimony of Michael Hanratty, a former electronics purchaser for the IRA who turned federal informant in 1982.

``Money supplied by Noraid was sent over to Ireland,'' Mr. Hanratty testified in the 1983 Brooklyn gunrunning trial of Gabriel Megahey and Andrew Duggan. ``At that point, when equipment was to be purchased, a courier then took some of the money that was needed and carried it back to this country.

Given America's terrorist supporting past, should the US have any real say in today's world?

irish republicans and oglaigh na hEireann (sealadaigh) and sinn fein (sealadaigh) have always supported the struggles of indigenous peoples to cast off the shackles of colonial oppression. today, they support the rights of the palestinian people more than any other people has supported them, and that includes the arab and muslim states.

there are republican murals all over beil feirste and doire linking our struggles. i say al quds and al khalil. language is important.

the irish, here and abroad, have worked very had to eliminate the word "terrorist" from being used in the media and elsewhere. we realise the injustice of and the emotional and moral implictions of that words use. we have been met with some large degree of success. i never use it.

what do you think you accomplish by trampling on the good will shown to your peoples by my people? i think your post was unwise.