US Drawing Up Plans To Sink the Russian Black Sea Fleet: Ukrainian Official

[Redfish]

You are out of your mind.

Where are rhe Russian allies talking like this, then? What enemies? Your comments are freakish. In reality, the US is leading the west in opposing Russia, while losing the war.

Russia has lost more soldiers in Ukriane than in the entire Afghanistan war. Their allies aren't even helping them. So where are these enemies that will wipe us out? You're fucking loony.

Current events are quite a contrast from the orange pile of shit's historical embarrassment of a presidency, and his putin ball licking.

What is China doing? watching to see what old senile Joe does, They will be the winner when the dust settles and we are too stupid to understand that.

 

[Redfish]

Then weapons given to our enemies in the sandy world by Russia was an act of War.

This has been done since WWII

We should have considered that as an act of war, same as when China armed the north vietnamese. and the north koreans. We are the world's patsy when dems are in charge

 

[eagle1462010]

We have considered that as an act of war, same as when China armed the north vietnamese. and the north koreans. We are the world's patsy when dems are in charge

Their yellow streak and noodle spine helps cause this.

 

[Redfish]

No, you're just an American warmonger who thinks that everything has to be done with bombs from 30,000 feet! 40 US wars of aggression since WW2 says it all.

Didn't you like how I got the title of the thread changed?

exactly the opposite. I do not want wars with anyone ever again. But the DC establishment in both parties want continuous wars so they can pay back their campaign donors. We are not the world's police force and have no business taking sides in Russia/Ukraine. Let Putin have the corrupt country, then he will have to deal with them.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Putin has already said he will consider it an act of war, is he bluffing? we shall see.

He and his people say a lot of things, very few of them mean anything. First he said there would be consequences if Finland and Sweden joined NATO, now he says it is no big deal. First he implied he was getting ready for a nuclear war, but now he says nukes will be used only as a last resort if Russia is attacked.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I am correct, you are loony. When Ukrainian tanks enter Moscow I will agree that Ukraine can win, until then-----------------nope.

You are nuts. Thus your avoidance of the simple questions. Can't account for both your crazy bullshit and simple facts, after all.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What is China doing? watching to see what old senile Joe does, They will be the winner when the dust settles and we are too stupid to understand that.

Or, you have no idea what China is doing and will just make something up that aligns with whatever insane bullshit you make up already.

 

[Redfish]

Or, you have no idea what China is doing and will just make something up that aligns with whatever insane bullshit you make up already.

LOL, do you really think China is just sitting idly by and watching this play out? you live in a fantasy land. Xi and Putin know that we have a weak president and will take every advantage of that fact to their own benefit and international goals. But we worry about the feeeeeeeelings of the weird within our population to the detriment of the normal. We have lost our national moral compass and have put traitors in high offices. Our great country is at the most dangerous point of its existence, and all you can contribute is to try to demonize those who have ideas different from yours. Attitudes like yours are the reason the USA is declining.

 

[Donald H]

Quite a successful topic!. Most want to talk about the war but have to be introduced to the topic in a way in which they can find solace in the way it's presented.
Redfish's #428 is an example of good discussion on the war issues, for one example.

 

[rightwinger]

LOL, do you really think China is just sitting idly by and watching this play out? you live in a fantasy land. Xi and Putin know that we have a weak president and will take every advantage of that fact to their own benefit and international goals. But we worry about the feeeeeeeelings of the weird within our population to the detriment of the normal. We have lost our national moral compass and have put traitors in high offices. Our great country is at the most dangerous point of its existence, and all you can contribute is to try to demonize those who have ideas different from yours. Attitudes like yours are the reason the USA is declining.

China is watching Putin’s faltering military and collapsing economy with great interest.

Will they come in to rescue Russia out of the goodness of their heart?
Highly unlikely
They will provide Russia with vital supplies in return for cut rates on oil and natural resources

Basically a Colonial relationship

 

[Stann]

Quite a successful topic!. Most want to talk about the war but have to be introduced to the topic in a way in which they can find solace in the way it's presented.
Redfish's #428 is an example of good discussion on the war issues, for one example.

The Black Sea Russian fleet should have been sunk long ago when they started bombing civilians in the cities. Using Putin's logic; where he invaded the Ukraine because he felt threatened by them. We should also bomb the much larger Baltic Sea Russian fleet out of existence too. Putin has already threatened Finland, Poland and the Baltic states. We would be justified in doing that according to his own sick logic.

 

[Donald H]

The Black Sea Russian fleet should have been sunk long ago when they started bombing civilians in the cities. Using Putin's logic; where he invaded the Ukraine because he felt threatened by them. We should also bomb the much larger Baltic Sea Russian fleet out of existence too. Putin has already threatened Finland, Poland and the Baltic states. We would be justified in doing that according to his own sick logic.

The point is Stann, you make a valid point!
But it's still only valid in a war that is not governed by rules that limit both America and Russia.

There's no reason to be explicit when it only serves to insult your irrational position further.

A good question to consider would be the question of the US responding in kind to a limited tactical nuclear attack against some Nato country that exceeds the agreed upon boundaries of the war?

That would be deliberately taking the conflict to the inevitable MAD by America!

 

[Donald H]

The Black Sea Russian fleet should have been sunk long ago when they started bombing civilians in the cities. Using Putin's logic; where he invaded the Ukraine because he felt threatened by them. We should also bomb the much larger Baltic Sea Russian fleet out of existence too. Putin has already threatened Finland, Poland and the Baltic states. We would be justified in doing that according to his own sick logic.

Russia hasn't started bombing civilians in the cities. There has been a small number of what America refers to as collateral damage.

The bombing of Baghdad is an example of what you suggest. And Vietnam could likely stand as the record amount of it.

 

[eagle1462010]

The point is Stann, you make a valid point!
But it's still only valid in a war that is not governed by rules that limit both America and Russia.

There's no reason to be explicit when it only serves to insult your irrational position further.

A good question to consider would be the question of the US responding in kind to a limited tactical nuclear attack against some Nato country that exceeds the agreed upon boundaries of the war?

That would be deliberately taking the conflict to the inevitable MAD by America!

More fear mongering from a duck

 

[eagle1462010]

Russia hasn't started bombing civilians in the cities. There has been a small number of what America refers to as collateral damage.

The bombing of Baghdad is an example of what you suggest. And Vietnam could likely stand as the record amount of it.

Are you a Putin duck. Lol

Because you are cheering for them duck.

 

[Donald H]

More fear mongering from a duck

Spam isn't on my plate anymore.

 

[Delldude]

The point is Stann, you make a valid point!
But it's still only valid in a war that is not governed by rules that limit both America and Russia.

There's no reason to be explicit when it only serves to insult your irrational position further.

A good question to consider would be the question of the US responding in kind to a limited tactical nuclear attack against some Nato country that exceeds the agreed upon boundaries of the war?

That would be deliberately taking the conflict to the inevitable MAD by America!

MAD is rather retro these days.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

MAD is rather retro these days.

And MAD doesn't work as well, when unstable, murderous maniacs are in charge of the nukes.

 

[Delldude]

And MAD doesn't work as well, when unstable, murderous maniacs are in charge of the nukes.

Not quite that simple these days.

 

[Donald H]

MAD is rather retro these days.

Can you present for us a limited nuclear war scenario? Choose whichever side you would imagine would be the winner.

This could add a lot tot his discussion.

I have no bias towared any one side because I don't consider that to be rational in a nuclear war.