Understanding the Debt Ceiling and the Lies and Myths We're Told About It

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First off, guess who made this statement about raising the debt ceiling:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. . . .

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.​

That was Senator Barack Obama in 2006 explaining why he was voting against raising the debt ceiling.

Now guess who said this, including the statement that "increasing the debt is the last thing we should be doing":

If my Republican friends believe that increasing our debt by almost $800 billion today and more than $3 trillion over the last five years is the right thing to do, they should be upfront about it. They should explain why they think more debt is good for the economy. . . .

They should explain this. Maybe they can convince the public they’re right. I doubt it. Because most Americans know that increasing debt is the last thing we should be doing. After all, I repeat, the Baby Boomers are about to retire. Under the circumstances, any credible economist would tell you we should be reducing debt, not increasing it. Democrats won’t be making arguments to support this legalization, which will weaken our country. Weaken our county.

That was Senate Harry Reid in 2006 explaining why he was voting against raising the debt limit, and that was back when the national debt was less than $10 trillion!

As we have recently seen, when we are about to reach the debt ceiling and when sane people oppose raising the debt ceiling, we are told that if we do not raise it, we will "default" and the good faith and credit of the U.S. Government will be severely damaged. We are also told that we need to raise the debt ceiling to pay for debt incurred for spending that has already been authorized.

Our tax revenue is more than enough to pay the interest on the national debt. This is true now, and it was true the previous times we raised the debt ceiling. Senator Mike Lee made this point during debate on raising the debt limit:

If we fail to raise the debt limit, it would bring about some problems, and bring about significant shortfall in revenue for government, but that is different from a default. A default is what happens if we don’t pay the interest as it accrues on our national debt. That’s not going to happen. We have more than enough revenue coming in each month to cover that sum. ( Debunking debt ceiling myths )​

Economist Peter Ferrara:

When you open your monthly bill from Visa V -1.30% or Mastercard, have you ever thought of telling the credit card company you cannot possibly pay even the minimum balance due, and you are going to have to default on the debt, unless the company immediately increases your credit limit? What do you think your creditor would tell you if you did? Would you expect to get the increase in your credit limit that way?

That is the same silly, illogical argument that your President Barack Obama is peddling to the entire country, to considerable success, given the fundamental breakdown in this generation’s ability to handle self-government. Not raising the debt limit does not mean defaulting on the national debt, any more than not increasing your credit limit means you can’t pay your monthly credit card bill, and must default on that.

As the outstanding federal debt becomes due, it can simply be paid by newly issued debt, without violating the debt limit, as the total outstanding debt would not change. President Obama’s own budget estimates total net interest on the national debt for this year currently totals $223 billion. But his budget also estimates total federal income taxes for this year at $1.7 trillion, or $1,700 billion. So just as you use a small portion of your monthly earnings to pay your credit card bill, current federal tax revenues are more than enough to pay the current interest due on the national debt. So not increasing the national debt does not mean defaulting on the national debt. . . .

But President Obama says Congress must raise the debt limit just to pay the bills we already owe. But if you gain a credit limit increase on your credit card, and you charge still more, is that paying the bills you already owe? Or is that racking up still more bills?

Similarly, raising the debt limit so the federal government, with nearly $17 trillion in national debt (more than our entire economy), can borrow still more does not involve paying the bills we already owe. It means racking up new bills to be paid in the future, by our kids. At best, if the increased borrowing is used to pay current federal bills owed, that involves deferring payment of current obligations, not paying what we already owe.( Failure To Raise The Debt Ceiling Will NOT Bring About Federal Default )​

Imagine if a financial counselor told a man who was deeply in debt and who had once again maxed out his credit cards that he should go get more credit cards.

The crux of the issue is that not raising the debt ceiling would force the government to cut spending and to prioritize spending in order to have enough money to keep making payments on our debt. Shortly before Boehner and McConnell agreed to both increase spending and raise the debt ceiling last week, Dr. Norbert Michel said,

Congress will soon have to decide whether to raise the $18.1 trillion debt limit, or face the possibility that the U.S. Treasury may have to prioritize its obligations. There are many factors to consider, but bringing the world economy to its knees because the U.S. fails to issue Treasury securities is not one of them. Free enterprise, in the U.S. and abroad—can function—and has functioned—without massive amounts of government debt and spending. Markets will ultimately function better without massive amounts of government debt because there will be fewer distortions and more private capital available. ( U.S. Treasury Debt Is Not the Foundation of the Global Economy )​

Economist Veronique de Rugy said the following regarding the previous battle over raising the debt ceiling:

Myth 1: Failure to increase the debt ceiling is insanity. Unless we increase the debt ceiling, the U.S. government will default on its debt.

Fact 1: The federal government has other options. If the debt ceiling is not increased, the Treasury Department can make interest and debt payment its first priority to avoid a default. Then it can essentially put the government on a stringent pay-as-you-go basis.

The Obama administration warns of an economic armageddon if Congress doesn’t raise the debt ceiling. It is called “insanity” not to take the simple step of allowing the government to borrow more money. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has warned that if we don’t increase the debt ceiling the U.S. would default, resulting in a bond market crash with disastrous impacts felt at home and abroad.​

Really?​

Technically, if the debt nears its statutory limit, the Treasury Department cannot issue new debt to manage short-term cash flows or manage the annual deficit—the government may therefore be unable to pay its bills. But in the real world things are different.​

First, if the debt ceiling is not increased it doesn’t mean the federal government will have to repay the entire debt at once. The government just won’t be able to increase its borrowing. Americans understand the difference between not being able to borrow more money and defaulting on one’s mortgage. . . .

If Congress refuses to raise the debt ceiling, the federal government will still have more than enough money to fully service the debt. This year, for instance, about 6.1 percent of all projected federal expenditures will go to interest on the debt, and tax revenue is projected to cover about 60.1 percent of all government expenditures. With roughly 10 times more income than needed to honor its debt obligations, why would the government ever default? ( The Truth About the Debt Ceiling )​

Just because future spending has been "authorized" does not mean we cannot reduce the amount of the authorization or cancel it altogether. Sane people who balance their checkbooks each month call that setting priorities and living within your means.

There have been several occasions over the last 40 years when the government waited three to four months before increasing the debt ceiling after the debt ceiling was reached, and the world did not end on any of those occasions.

To get some idea of just how bad the Bipartisan Budget Agreement of 2015 is, I quote from an analysis of it written by 11 financial experts:

Rather than taking meaningful steps to address the growing debt, the Bipartisan Budget Act (BBA) of 2015 is a colossal step in the opposite direction. This deal does nothing to reduce the size or scope of government over any period of time. . . .​

The BBA busts through the BCA spending caps by $80 billion over two years. To add insult to injury, the agreement further proposes an additional $147 billion in “emergency spending” under the well-abused OCO (Overseas Contingency Operations) loophole. Never mind that the Budget Control Act provided for more than $2 trillion in spending for defense and non-defense discretionary programs and agencies.[2] It seems that for Congress it is never enough. . . .​

The federal budget is on a dangerous trajectory and immediate corrective action is required. The U.S. national debt is at $18.1 trillion. According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), if the government remains on its currently planned course, it will spend $7 trillion more over the next 10 years than it will receive in taxes, piling on even more debt. ( Analysis of the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015 )​

The Debt Ceiling Cometh: Another Chance to Rein In Spending

Debt-Ceiling Myths | National Review Online

Blank Check: What It Means to Suspend the Debt Limit

Debunking debt ceiling myths

The Facts About the Debt Ceiling

Failure To Raise The Debt Ceiling Will NOT Bring About Federal Default









 

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When times are booming, as they were in 2006, you should be paying down the debt, NOT adding to it....

When in a depression/recession, as with 2008/2009 you should be borrowing, to stimulate the economy, thus adding to debt.

When the economy starts to move again, you take steps to reduce the deficit, working towards a balanced budget, so eventually you add near nothing to the national debt....

Obama has followed this economic theory.... it's not being 2 faced.
 
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When times are booming, as they were in 2006, you should be paying down the debt, NOT adding to it....

When in a depression/recession, as with 2008/2009 you should be borrowing, to stimulate the economy, thus adding to debt.

When the economy starts to move again, you take steps to reduce the deficit, working towards a balanced budget, so eventually you add near nothing to the national debt....

Obama has followed this economic theory.... it's not being 2 faced.
To what end result, Care?

Has his theory worked?
 
"Pay down the debt" is what Democrat candidates hypocritically "demand" of Republican leadership when the Dims are not in office.

Even then, however, in actuality, it's the last thing they want to happen.

The GOP doesn't exactly get off the hook, though. They campaign on it themselves. THEN they don't do it when they HAVE actual leadership power.

The entire conversation about our national "debt" is kind of meaningless, anyway, because the true numbers are so horrifying, both sides use the official and absolutely dishonest fraudulent numbers.

We are NOT merely 18 (or 18.6 or 19 or 20+) TRILLION freaking dollars in debt. If you want to know how much we truly "owe" -- but have no worldly ability to pay in this lifetime -- you MUST start INCLUDING the unfunded obligations we have assumed over the years.

Reliably LIBERAL media, like The Washington Compost will predictably ridicule any estimation of the enormous size of the unfunded liabilities. They will quibble that the figures are big, but that we cannot premise the discussion " through the infinite horizon." I shit you not. THIS is what they go to when the discussion comes up:

Does the United States have $128 trillion in unfunded liabilities?

and

Ben Carson’s claim that the U.S. owes $211 trillion beyond the reported federal debt

Even if we temporarily agree that the "infinite horizon" calculations have some problems, that doesn't get to the root of the problem which is that the unfunded liabilities are so freakin' massive anyway that we still have NO damn ability to pay them down meaningfully in our lifetimes.

This MAKES our spending problems a generational issue. We ARE doing this not just to ourselves but to our children and THEIR children.

Where is Obumbler and where is Shrillary on this issue?

<< insert cricket chirping sounds >>
 
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Year Receipts Outlays Surplus or Deficit (–)
2001 1,991,082 1,862,846 128,236
2002 1,853,136 2,010,894 -157,758
2003 1,782,314 2,159,899 -377,585
2004 1,880,114 2,292,841 -412,727
2005 2,153,611 2,471,957 -318,346
2006 2,406,869 2,655,050 -248,181
2007 2,567,985 2,728,686 -160,701
2008 2,523,991 2,982,544 -458,553 ***start of crash
2009 2,104,989 3,517,677 -1,412,688 ***housing crash
2010 2,162,706 3,457,079 -1,294,373
2011 2,303,466 3,603,059 -1,299,593
2012 2,449,988 3,536,951 -1,086,963
2013 2,775,103 3,454,647 -679,544
2014 3,021,487 3,506,089 -484,602 *** $3T record revenue......still not enough?
2015 estimate 3,176,072 3,758,577 -582,505


Groundhog day again. Posting this same crap over and over. FED needs to do like private and cut/reduce.

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First off, guess who made this statement about raising the debt ceiling:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. . . .

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.​

That was Senator Barack Obama in 2006 explaining why he was voting against raising the debt ceiling.

Now guess who said this, including the statement that "increasing the debt is the last thing we should be doing":

If my Republican friends believe that increasing our debt by almost $800 billion today and more than $3 trillion over the last five years is the right thing to do, they should be upfront about it. They should explain why they think more debt is good for the economy. . . .

They should explain this. Maybe they can convince the public they’re right. I doubt it. Because most Americans know that increasing debt is the last thing we should be doing. After all, I repeat, the Baby Boomers are about to retire. Under the circumstances, any credible economist would tell you we should be reducing debt, not increasing it. Democrats won’t be making arguments to support this legalization, which will weaken our country. Weaken our county.

That was Senate Harry Reid in 2006 explaining why he was voting against raising the debt limit, and that was back when the national debt was less than $10 trillion!

As we have recently seen, when we are about to reach the debt ceiling and when sane people oppose raising the debt ceiling, we are told that if we do not raise it, we will "default" and the good faith and credit of the U.S. Government will be severely damaged. We are also told that we need to raise the debt ceiling to pay for debt incurred for spending that has already been authorized.

Our tax revenue is more than enough to pay the interest on the national debt. This is true now, and it was true the previous times we raised the debt ceiling. Senator Mike Lee made this point during debate on raising the debt limit:

If we fail to raise the debt limit, it would bring about some problems, and bring about significant shortfall in revenue for government, but that is different from a default. A default is what happens if we don’t pay the interest as it accrues on our national debt. That’s not going to happen. We have more than enough revenue coming in each month to cover that sum. ( Debunking debt ceiling myths )​

Economist Peter Ferrara:

When you open your monthly bill from Visa V -1.30% or Mastercard, have you ever thought of telling the credit card company you cannot possibly pay even the minimum balance due, and you are going to have to default on the debt, unless the company immediately increases your credit limit? What do you think your creditor would tell you if you did? Would you expect to get the increase in your credit limit that way?

That is the same silly, illogical argument that your President Barack Obama is peddling to the entire country, to considerable success, given the fundamental breakdown in this generation’s ability to handle self-government. Not raising the debt limit does not mean defaulting on the national debt, any more than not increasing your credit limit means you can’t pay your monthly credit card bill, and must default on that.

As the outstanding federal debt becomes due, it can simply be paid by newly issued debt, without violating the debt limit, as the total outstanding debt would not change. President Obama’s own budget estimates total net interest on the national debt for this year currently totals $223 billion. But his budget also estimates total federal income taxes for this year at $1.7 trillion, or $1,700 billion. So just as you use a small portion of your monthly earnings to pay your credit card bill, current federal tax revenues are more than enough to pay the current interest due on the national debt. So not increasing the national debt does not mean defaulting on the national debt. . . .

But President Obama says Congress must raise the debt limit just to pay the bills we already owe. But if you gain a credit limit increase on your credit card, and you charge still more, is that paying the bills you already owe? Or is that racking up still more bills?

Similarly, raising the debt limit so the federal government, with nearly $17 trillion in national debt (more than our entire economy), can borrow still more does not involve paying the bills we already owe. It means racking up new bills to be paid in the future, by our kids. At best, if the increased borrowing is used to pay current federal bills owed, that involves deferring payment of current obligations, not paying what we already owe.( Failure To Raise The Debt Ceiling Will NOT Bring About Federal Default )​

Imagine if a financial counselor told a man who was deeply in debt and who had once again maxed out his credit cards that he should go get more credit cards.

The crux of the issue is that not raising the debt ceiling would force the government to cut spending and to prioritize spending in order to have enough money to keep making payments on our debt. Shortly before Boehner and McConnell agreed to both increase spending and raise the debt ceiling last week, Dr. Norbert Michel said,

Congress will soon have to decide whether to raise the $18.1 trillion debt limit, or face the possibility that the U.S. Treasury may have to prioritize its obligations. There are many factors to consider, but bringing the world economy to its knees because the U.S. fails to issue Treasury securities is not one of them. Free enterprise, in the U.S. and abroad—can function—and has functioned—without massive amounts of government debt and spending. Markets will ultimately function better without massive amounts of government debt because there will be fewer distortions and more private capital available. ( U.S. Treasury Debt Is Not the Foundation of the Global Economy )​

Economist Veronique de Rugy said the following regarding the previous battle over raising the debt ceiling:

Myth 1: Failure to increase the debt ceiling is insanity. Unless we increase the debt ceiling, the U.S. government will default on its debt.

Fact 1: The federal government has other options. If the debt ceiling is not increased, the Treasury Department can make interest and debt payment its first priority to avoid a default. Then it can essentially put the government on a stringent pay-as-you-go basis.

The Obama administration warns of an economic armageddon if Congress doesn’t raise the debt ceiling. It is called “insanity” not to take the simple step of allowing the government to borrow more money. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has warned that if we don’t increase the debt ceiling the U.S. would default, resulting in a bond market crash with disastrous impacts felt at home and abroad.​

Really?​

Technically, if the debt nears its statutory limit, the Treasury Department cannot issue new debt to manage short-term cash flows or manage the annual deficit—the government may therefore be unable to pay its bills. But in the real world things are different.​

First, if the debt ceiling is not increased it doesn’t mean the federal government will have to repay the entire debt at once. The government just won’t be able to increase its borrowing. Americans understand the difference between not being able to borrow more money and defaulting on one’s mortgage. . . .

If Congress refuses to raise the debt ceiling, the federal government will still have more than enough money to fully service the debt. This year, for instance, about 6.1 percent of all projected federal expenditures will go to interest on the debt, and tax revenue is projected to cover about 60.1 percent of all government expenditures. With roughly 10 times more income than needed to honor its debt obligations, why would the government ever default? ( The Truth About the Debt Ceiling )​

Just because future spending has been "authorized" does not mean we cannot reduce the amount of the authorization or cancel it altogether. Sane people who balance their checkbooks each month call that setting priorities and living within your means.

There have been several occasions over the last 40 years when the government waited three to four months before increasing the debt ceiling after the debt ceiling was reached, and the world did not end on any of those occasions.

To get some idea of just how bad the Bipartisan Budget Agreement of 2015 is, I quote from an analysis of it written by 11 financial experts:

Rather than taking meaningful steps to address the growing debt, the Bipartisan Budget Act (BBA) of 2015 is a colossal step in the opposite direction. This deal does nothing to reduce the size or scope of government over any period of time. . . .​

The BBA busts through the BCA spending caps by $80 billion over two years. To add insult to injury, the agreement further proposes an additional $147 billion in “emergency spending” under the well-abused OCO (Overseas Contingency Operations) loophole. Never mind that the Budget Control Act provided for more than $2 trillion in spending for defense and non-defense discretionary programs and agencies.[2] It seems that for Congress it is never enough. . . .​

The federal budget is on a dangerous trajectory and immediate corrective action is required. The U.S. national debt is at $18.1 trillion. According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), if the government remains on its currently planned course, it will spend $7 trillion more over the next 10 years than it will receive in taxes, piling on even more debt. ( Analysis of the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015 )​

The Debt Ceiling Cometh: Another Chance to Rein In Spending

Debt-Ceiling Myths | National Review Online

Blank Check: What It Means to Suspend the Debt Limit

Debunking debt ceiling myths

The Facts About the Debt Ceiling

Failure To Raise The Debt Ceiling Will NOT Bring About Federal Default










Basically, our government is paying debt with more debt and calling it fiscal responsibility...
Sorry state of affairs, we are past the point of no return.
 
Sorry state of affairs, we are past the point of no return.


BRAINSTORM:
Hiring freeze but Military.
25% layoff (non-essential, why they have non-essential? LOL)
No GOVT pensions (but, Military, saftey officers) Make GOVT go into SSI
Make all GOVT go into ObamaCare + family
No pay for Senate/House + staff until budget balance. Make them Volunteers?
10% paycut across the remainder, but military/safety officer.
Cut travel to "must be approved" status.
Have an ASSET GARAGE sale.
Combine similar DEPTS.....Homeland, SS, FBI, CIA, on and on and on.
Close many DEPTs' (EDUCATION, Commerce, HUD) let states handle it.


I don't claim to have all the answers but it would seem they HAVE to do something?
I am sure there are EXPERT out there somewhere who could suggest?
We don't need a 25%GDP GOVT.
 
When times are booming, as they were in 2006, you should be paying down the debt, NOT adding to it....

When in a depression/recession, as with 2008/2009 you should be borrowing, to stimulate the economy, thus adding to debt.

When the economy starts to move again, you take steps to reduce the deficit, working towards a balanced budget, so eventually you add near nothing to the national debt....

Obama has followed this economic theory.... it's not being 2 faced.

Gosh, how can anyone believe such a stupid argument? So doubling the debt is the way to bring prosperity?! How's that working out? Let's see: U-6 unemployment is at historic highs; median family income has dropped; small-business creation has gone negative; and we're now paying almost as much just to service the debt as we pay for the defense budget.

Try applying that ridiculous theory to your personal finances and let me know how it turns out.

I hope you're not a financial adviser. I can just imagine a guy walking into your office. He's just experienced a cut in pay and he's already deeply in debt. Following your absurd theory, you're going to tell him that, instead of biting the bullet now and starting to live within his means, he should get more credit cards and charge them to the limit and then get more credit cards after that--and that if he repeats this process, he'll eventually achieve financial success.

What is tragic is that right now the budget deficit is barely over $400 billion. We could avoid having to raise the debt ceiling by simply cutting about $450 billion from the bloated $3.9 trillion federal budget. That's a cut of only about 13-14%, which is more than doable. If we cut spending by 15%, we would be in the black by a few billion, instead of just balanced.

With a budget cut of 15%, we would still be spending more than we were in 1994 under Bill Clinton and a Democrat-controlled Congress, adjusted for inflation.

Then, we could scale back entitlement costs by raising the SS retirement age and imposing a reasonable means test on SS benefits, and by restricting Medicare coverage to serious illnesses and injuries and life-preserving prescriptions. That would save us hundreds of billions over the next 10 years.
 
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By raising the debt ceiling yet again, we missed a golden opportunity to balance the budget and get our fiscal house in order. If we had just cut federal spending by 12%, we could have balanced the budget and avoided raising the debt ceiling. What's more, a cut of 12% would leave the federal government with a larger budget than it had in 1993 when we had a Democrat in the White House and when Democrats controlled Congress--and, yes, this is adjusted for inflation.

As of last month, the deficit was at right around $426 billion. Just to be safe, let's round up to $450 billion. The federal budget is $3.8 trillion. Rather than raise the debt limit, we could have simply cut $450 billion in spending, which would be a cut of less than 12%. But let's just say it would be 12%.

A 12% cut would bring the budget down to $3.35 trillion, which is more than the 1993 budget, adjusted for inflation. The 1993 federal budget was $1.96 trillion, and that was with a Democrat in the White House and with a Democrat-controlled Congress. $1.96 trillion in today's dollars equals $3.23 trillion, which is $120 billion less than what we would be spending if we imposed a 12% budget cut. So clearly a 12% cut is doable, if we only had politicians who believed in fiscal sanity.

If we had cut spending by 15%, we would have a slight budget surplus and could start paying down the principal on our staggering national debt of $18.1 trillion.
 
Why is America even able to borrow money......and at such low interest rates? Thanks in advance.

How was Greece able to borrow so much money and at such low interest rates? How were the thousands of Americans who declared Chapter 7 bankruptcy this year able to get more credit cards--until they reached the tipping point and had to finally admit they could not continue like that?

You know, one would think that when it comes to balancing the budget and getting out of debt, there would be no argument, that everyone would say, "Yes, of course the government should live by the same sane, math-driven budget principles that ordinary people use to manage their own finances." But, Democrats have gone so far to the extreme left that they refuse to stop spending more and more money each year, even as our national debt inches closer and closer to Greek levels.

You can never get out of debt until you stop going into debt. That's a law of math and finance that liberalism can't overrule.

Again, as I showed in my previous reply, if we had just cut federal spending by 12%, we could have balanced the budget and avoided raising the debt ceiling, and a cut of 12% would leave the federal government with a larger budget than it had in 1993 when we had a Democrat in the White House and when Democrats controlled Congress (yes, adjusted for inflation).
 
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Why is America even able to borrow money......and at such low interest rates? Thanks in advance.

How was Greece able to borrow so much money and at such low interest rates? How were the thousands of Americans who declared Chapter 7 bankruptcy this year able to get more credit cards--until they reached the tipping point and had to finally admit they could not continue like that?

You know, one would think that when it comes to balancing the budget and getting out of debt, there would be no argument, that everyone would say, "Yes, of course the government should live by the same sane, math-driven budget principles that ordinary people use to manage their own finances." But, Democrats have gone so far to the extreme left that they refuse to stop spending more and more money each year, even as our national debt inches closer and closer to Greek levels.

You can never get out of debt until you stop going into debt. That's a law of math and finance that liberalism can't overrule.

Again, as I showed in my previous reply, if we had just cut federal spending by 12%, we could have balanced the budget and avoided raising the debt ceiling, and a cut of 12% would leave the federal government with a larger budget than it had in 1993 when we had a Democrat in the White House and when Democrats controlled Congress (yes, adjusted for inflation).

The government is not a household budget. Your "common sense" approach to the nation's economy makes no sense.

The conservative record on running this ship sucks....and the liberal record is unquestionably preferable. You fuckers can say that you have common sense until you are blue in the face.....but the facts are clear. This economy does better when the captain of the ship uses sound reasoning and leaves "common sense" to folks sittin at their dinner table.

Now....WHY IS AMERICA STILL ABLE TO BORROW MONEY AT ALL.....AND AT SUCH LOW INTERETS RATES?
 
Obama is a Habitual Liar............it is to be expected..............the OP is spot on.................
 
You can never get out of debt until you stop going into debt. That's a law of math and finance that liberalism can't overrule.
That is only half the story though. That is true for a family that is dealing with a concept of money that is more concrete than governments. With a fiat currency as we have, you are able to decrease the overall 'debt' in value while still increasing the debt in notes.

Some of what you posted in the OP I can agree with but overall the comparisons of a family credit card and the nations cash flow fall short. They really are nothing alike.
 
Why is America even able to borrow money......and at such low interest rates? Thanks in advance.

How was Greece able to borrow so much money and at such low interest rates? How were the thousands of Americans who declared Chapter 7 bankruptcy this year able to get more credit cards--until they reached the tipping point and had to finally admit they could not continue like that?

You know, one would think that when it comes to balancing the budget and getting out of debt, there would be no argument, that everyone would say, "Yes, of course the government should live by the same sane, math-driven budget principles that ordinary people use to manage their own finances." But, Democrats have gone so far to the extreme left that they refuse to stop spending more and more money each year, even as our national debt inches closer and closer to Greek levels.

You can never get out of debt until you stop going into debt. That's a law of math and finance that liberalism can't overrule.

Again, as I showed in my previous reply, if we had just cut federal spending by 12%, we could have balanced the budget and avoided raising the debt ceiling, and a cut of 12% would leave the federal government with a larger budget than it had in 1993 when we had a Democrat in the White House and when Democrats controlled Congress (yes, adjusted for inflation).

The government is not a household budget. Your "common sense" approach to the nation's economy makes no sense.

The conservative record on running this ship sucks....and the liberal record is unquestionably preferable. You fuckers can say that you have common sense until you are blue in the face.....but the facts are clear. This economy does better when the captain of the ship uses sound reasoning and leaves "common sense" to folks sittin at their dinner table.

Now....WHY IS AMERICA STILL ABLE TO BORROW MONEY AT ALL.....AND AT SUCH LOW INTERETS RATES?

Most ridiculous claim by liberals is absolute crap like: "The conservative record on running this ship sucks....and the liberal record is unquestionably preferable." Unquestionably, sally?

Think again.

Intelligent and honest and objective people OF COURSE question such a bald faced whopper.

The liberal record of running a state and governing in economic matters is objectified in the recent Greek experience.

Your head is squarely up you ass. The methane is no substitute for the oxygen your brain has clearly been starved of.
 
If you're borrowing a third of what you're spending, in order to stay under a debt ceiling when you get there is to cut government spending by a third.

Neither party is going to do that.
 

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