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CDZ Two options...the European model of self defense, and the American model of Self defensse.

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I hear many Americans say that shying away from owning guns is cowardly. But it seems to me that people who do not feel threatened by an opposing opinion clearly do not find themselves in a situation where cowardice is an issue in the first place. If you need a gun to express yourself then it is you who’s the coward.

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Naturally, if your environment is such that the “haves” and the “have nots” are pitted against one another then you may find a gun useful, but Europe (in general) doesn’t support or encourage such an environment.


Do you know where your meme goes wrong?

It is the government...using guns....in Europe....locking up people who disagree with the government...try telling an off color joke in Britain...you will be arrested.....you have no idea what you are talking about...


 

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Homicides in rich countries.
 

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Homicides in rich countries.
Note however that the richest countries on your list have the lowest rate of homicides. The US is probably the poorest nation on the list. It makes sense.
 

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Note however that the richest countries on your list have the lowest rate of homicides. The US is probably the poorest nation on the list. It makes sense.

  1. United States (GDP: 20.49 trillion)
  2. China (GDP: 13.4 trillion)
  3. Japan: (GDP: 4.97 trillion)
  4. Germany: (GDP: 4.00 trillion)
  5. United Kingdom: (GDP: 2.83 trillion)
  6. France: (GDP: 2.78 trillion)
  7. India: (GDP: 2.72 trillion)
  8. Italy: (GDP: 2.07 trillion)
  9. Brazil: (GDP: 1.87 trillion)
  10. Canada: (GDP: 1.71 trillion)

California has twice the GDP that Canada does.


 

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I hear many Americans say that shying away from owning guns is cowardly. But it seems to me that people who do not feel threatened by an opposing opinion clearly do not find themselves in a situation where cowardice is an issue in the first place. If you need a gun to express yourself then it is you who’s the coward.

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Naturally, if your environment is such that the “haves” and the “have nots” are pitted against one another then you may find a gun useful, but Europe (in general) doesn’t support or encourage such an environment.


Do you understand that Europe is the home of the idea that if you disagree with their political or religious views they would kill you?

From the Catholic, Protestant wars......wars.........to the creation of socialsism...with it's two flavors...communism and fascism......they continued the concept of mass murder and gas chambers for people who disagreed with them.....remember those 12 million innocent men, women and children? They were murdered in 1939-45.......not during the dark ages..........

And if not for Americans...with guns......ending World War 1 and World War 2.......and keeping Russia out by keeping Americans with guns on the Continent........Europeans would be killing each other again every 20 years or so......

So your meme is just silly......
 
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Homicides in rich countries.


Intentional acts of self defense with guns...where violent rape, beatings, stabbings, robberies and murders are stopped by good Americans with their legal pistols and rifles.....

The United States...

Centers for Disease Control number...1.1 million times a year....

Department of Justice....1.5 million times a year....

2020 Firearms Survey....1.67 million times a year......

Lives saved...more lives saved each year than criminals commit murder....
 

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Note however that the richest countries on your list have the lowest rate of homicides. The US is probably the poorest nation on the list. It makes sense.
  1. United States (GDP: 20.49 trillion)
  2. China (GDP: 13.4 trillion)
  3. Japan: (GDP: 4.97 trillion)
  4. Germany: (GDP: 4.00 trillion)
  5. United Kingdom: (GDP: 2.83 trillion)
  6. France: (GDP: 2.78 trillion)
  7. India: (GDP: 2.72 trillion)
  8. Italy: (GDP: 2.07 trillion)
  9. Brazil: (GDP: 1.87 trillion)
  10. Canada: (GDP: 1.71 trillion)

California has twice the GDP that Canada does.


What are you saying? If you are trying to make a point I think you ought to say what it is.
 
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What are you saying? If you are trying to make a point I think you ought to say what it is.


Can you explain this?

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........


So why did gun crime and murder go up after the decline for 27 years?

In 2015 the democrat party declared war on local police.......it escalated to the point they burned and looted cities for 7months, murdered over 40 people wounding over 400 police officers, and burned court houses and police stations....all while telling the police not to stop the blm and antifa, democrat party terrorists, attempting to cut police funding and demonizing our police officers as killers...

The police stopped active policing and began to only respond to 911 calls.......and the criminals, the protected class of the democrat party, responded by carrying guns and shooting each other in larger numbers than we have seen since 1960s....

It’s something but I still think the Times is downplaying the obvious a bit. Here’s the chart of the monthly murder rate. What you’ll see is that the first month where the murder rate started to spike above the average in previous years was May. Why in May? Because George Floyd was killed on May 25th and by the next day the video was going viral. The final weekend of May became a weekend of violent protests which pushed the monthly numbers out of orbit. And from there the murder rate continued to go up as sometimes violent anti-police protests were taking place around the country:


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Why would the death of George Floyd be connected with a wave of violence? I think the answer to that has to do with the nature of the protests, which were explicitly hostile to police. Police pulled back as protesters created autonomous zones in some cities.


It was basically the Ferguson Effect all on a national scale.

As police pulled back, criminals had less fear of consequences and also, some people felt more inclined to seek street justice rather than call the police when a disagreement arose. That’s the “increased distrust” mentioned above. The protests last year didn’t have to actually defund police departments in order to have a significant impact on the behavior of both cops and criminals.
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I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Portland had some of the most consistent and most violent protests last year and also lost a lot of officers to retirement and resignations. Portland was a worst case scenario for the connection between anti-police protests and increased violence and the numbers seem to reflect that.
FBI: Murder rose by 29% last year with the biggest spike coming a
 

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