Tulsi: We Now Need Universal Income

[Ray From Cleveland]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Those who have made it clear that they aren't interested in working and prefer mooching on the sides of streets, don't deserve dime one; the same holds true of the drug/alcohol addicts. Their deliberate disobedience of the laws should also negate them from any monetary reward, as they would only funnel it into their addiction. No illegal migrant should be given dime one. Let them return to their own nation and get money from their government.

I totally agree with the immigration. I don't think we should be supporting their kids either. If they can't take care of the kids, ship them to an orphanage instead of giving them goodies. They don't belong here in the first place.

On the path we're on, social programs will always be a problem for people, and the social programs will always win. They have all of our lives. UBI settles that problem once and for all. I've also worked with (and I'm sure most people here have) people who don't have the intelligence to ever make a good living. It's not their fault. None of us can help the way we were born. Oh, they work hard, but just don't have the intelligence to do anything but menial jobs that pay low wages. Because they are totally capable of working, they can't get any aid from the government, and will live in poverty their entire life through no fault of their own.

I just see UBI as solving so many problems. Will it create other problems? Perhaps, but nearly as many that it could solve.

A UBI is the surest way to run this nation's economy into the ground and render all, poor. You can only steal from peoples pocketbooks until there's no more to suck out of them.

That's not what I am saying. What I am doing is using her idea and extrapolating that into a total social program replacement using UBI. In other words, if we could save money by using UBI, instead of funding all these social programs, what's to object to?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

correct, the hourly rate for plumbers is equal to lawyers, and plumbers actually do something for people.

Lawyers make upper double digits to millions a year, depending on the lawyer. A friend of mine and his siblings just won a lawsuit started by their father before he died. The settlement was 700K. The lawyer got 25% just for that one case.

There are people with degrees that are working at Starbucks

Engineering graduates usually hit the ground running and are well paid

Among the bullshit degrees not so much

You will always find anomalies no matter what, but I'm speaking in general. I've met truck drivers that had degrees in things like graphics. They were only driving a truck because it paid better and were more openings. My niece is a college graduate. She's been waiting tables for the last ten years, and not because of the money either. She has a degree in biology.

When I worked at the Post Office way back when, half my co-workers had college degrees. Some of them had Master's degrees. But government pay, benefits, and job security, y'know?

Even with government, you have a better chance at advancement if you do have a degree.

Depends on the department. The USPS, at least when I worked there, was ALL about test scores, seniority, and military service (because veterans automatically got a leg up over everyone else). The job always went to the guy with the greater seniority, regardless of any qualifications beyond the basics.

Many postal workers are what I call Retired On Active Duty

I have been forced to put most of my bills on autopay because the mail is so unpredictable

Same here, they are terrible. I make sure when a new tenant moves in, I immediately letter their mailbox for the post office worker. I can't understand what is so hard about matching the name and address on the letter to the proper mailbox. It's like an impossible task for the carriers here.

I told this to a friend of mine, and my cousin, who are both mail carriers. They got so defensive and upset about it. First they said I probably didn't have addresses displayed, which of course I do, very large letters. Then they accused me of not putting the names on the box, I told them that every box has one or several names on it. In frustration, they finally said "You just don't understand, you never did the job before!!!"

I replied that no, I do not understand. I could put a letter in a mailbox when I was 8 years old. How is it these adults can't do the same???

That is not how mail works.
The delivery postman never gets to look at individual mail.
That would take way too long.
It is all presorted at a central facility, where they have to type in the info, and it is then bundled in layers.
Sorter gets about 3 seconds per item.
One of the hardest jobs in the world.
And you are constantly watched and rated by people behind 1 way mirrors, on catwalks above.
Postal sorters have the highest suicide rate of any profession.
You have heard of the term, "going postal", right?

That's all fine and dandy. My only question is why can't the carrier look at a name and address on the envelopes, and place it in the proper mailbox?

 

[Rigby5]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Those who have made it clear that they aren't interested in working and prefer mooching on the sides of streets, don't deserve dime one; the same holds true of the drug/alcohol addicts. Their deliberate disobedience of the laws should also negate them from any monetary reward, as they would only funnel it into their addiction. No illegal migrant should be given dime one. Let them return to their own nation and get money from their government.

I totally agree with the immigration. I don't think we should be supporting their kids either. If they can't take care of the kids, ship them to an orphanage instead of giving them goodies. They don't belong here in the first place.

On the path we're on, social programs will always be a problem for people, and the social programs will always win. They have all of our lives. UBI settles that problem once and for all. I've also worked with (and I'm sure most people here have) people who don't have the intelligence to ever make a good living. It's not their fault. None of us can help the way we were born. Oh, they work hard, but just don't have the intelligence to do anything but menial jobs that pay low wages. Because they are totally capable of working, they can't get any aid from the government, and will live in poverty their entire life through no fault of their own.

I just see UBI as solving so many problems. Will it create other problems? Perhaps, but nearly as many that it could solve.

A UBI is the surest way to run this nation's economy into the ground and render all, poor. You can only steal from peoples pocketbooks until there's no more to suck out of them.

No, it is the only way to save the economy. Sure it increases the debt, but only temporarily, as in a month when this is over, we can all help pay it back. With the loan from the government, rents will be paid, food can be purchases, and we can save thousands of lives.
The federal government is the only source of credit that can do it, and it has to be done. There is no alternative.

 

[Rigby5]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

correct, the hourly rate for plumbers is equal to lawyers, and plumbers actually do something for people.

Lawyers make upper double digits to millions a year, depending on the lawyer. A friend of mine and his siblings just won a lawsuit started by their father before he died. The settlement was 700K. The lawyer got 25% just for that one case.

There are people with degrees that are working at Starbucks

Engineering graduates usually hit the ground running and are well paid

Among the bullshit degrees not so much

You will always find anomalies no matter what, but I'm speaking in general. I've met truck drivers that had degrees in things like graphics. They were only driving a truck because it paid better and were more openings. My niece is a college graduate. She's been waiting tables for the last ten years, and not because of the money either. She has a degree in biology.

When I worked at the Post Office way back when, half my co-workers had college degrees. Some of them had Master's degrees. But government pay, benefits, and job security, y'know?

Even with government, you have a better chance at advancement if you do have a degree.

Depends on the department. The USPS, at least when I worked there, was ALL about test scores, seniority, and military service (because veterans automatically got a leg up over everyone else). The job always went to the guy with the greater seniority, regardless of any qualifications beyond the basics.

Many postal workers are what I call Retired On Active Duty

I have been forced to put most of my bills on autopay because the mail is so unpredictable

Same here, they are terrible. I make sure when a new tenant moves in, I immediately letter their mailbox for the post office worker. I can't understand what is so hard about matching the name and address on the letter to the proper mailbox. It's like an impossible task for the carriers here.

I told this to a friend of mine, and my cousin, who are both mail carriers. They got so defensive and upset about it. First they said I probably didn't have addresses displayed, which of course I do, very large letters. Then they accused me of not putting the names on the box, I told them that every box has one or several names on it. In frustration, they finally said "You just don't understand, you never did the job before!!!"

I replied that no, I do not understand. I could put a letter in a mailbox when I was 8 years old. How is it these adults can't do the same???

That is not how mail works.
The delivery postman never gets to look at individual mail.
That would take way too long.
It is all presorted at a central facility, where they have to type in the info, and it is then bundled in layers.
Sorter gets about 3 seconds per item.
One of the hardest jobs in the world.
And you are constantly watched and rated by people behind 1 way mirrors, on catwalks above.
Postal sorters have the highest suicide rate of any profession.
You have heard of the term, "going postal", right?

That's all fine and dandy. My only question is why can't the carrier look at a name and address on the envelopes, and place it in the proper mailbox?

I am saying they would like to but are not allowed the time that would take.
Someone else has it all sorted and bundled, and they make a mistake, there is not much the carrier can do. They do not have time to double check each item. That would take almost twice as long as they are allotted.

 

[Rigby5]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Those who have made it clear that they aren't interested in working and prefer mooching on the sides of streets, don't deserve dime one; the same holds true of the drug/alcohol addicts. Their deliberate disobedience of the laws should also negate them from any monetary reward, as they would only funnel it into their addiction. No illegal migrant should be given dime one. Let them return to their own nation and get money from their government.

I totally agree with the immigration. I don't think we should be supporting their kids either. If they can't take care of the kids, ship them to an orphanage instead of giving them goodies. They don't belong here in the first place.

On the path we're on, social programs will always be a problem for people, and the social programs will always win. They have all of our lives. UBI settles that problem once and for all. I've also worked with (and I'm sure most people here have) people who don't have the intelligence to ever make a good living. It's not their fault. None of us can help the way we were born. Oh, they work hard, but just don't have the intelligence to do anything but menial jobs that pay low wages. Because they are totally capable of working, they can't get any aid from the government, and will live in poverty their entire life through no fault of their own.

I just see UBI as solving so many problems. Will it create other problems? Perhaps, but nearly as many that it could solve.

A UBI is the surest way to run this nation's economy into the ground and render all, poor. You can only steal from peoples pocketbooks until there's no more to suck out of them.

That's not what I am saying. What I am doing is using her idea and extrapolating that into a total social program replacement using UBI. In other words, if we could save money by using UBI, instead of funding all these social programs, what's to object to?

Some countries have found a universal income to decrease crime, make government easier, since then you do not need programs like food stamps, etc.

 

[gtopa1]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

I love Tulsi but she is politically nuts. Sad!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

correct, the hourly rate for plumbers is equal to lawyers, and plumbers actually do something for people.

Lawyers make upper double digits to millions a year, depending on the lawyer. A friend of mine and his siblings just won a lawsuit started by their father before he died. The settlement was 700K. The lawyer got 25% just for that one case.

There are people with degrees that are working at Starbucks

Engineering graduates usually hit the ground running and are well paid

Among the bullshit degrees not so much

You will always find anomalies no matter what, but I'm speaking in general. I've met truck drivers that had degrees in things like graphics. They were only driving a truck because it paid better and were more openings. My niece is a college graduate. She's been waiting tables for the last ten years, and not because of the money either. She has a degree in biology.

When I worked at the Post Office way back when, half my co-workers had college degrees. Some of them had Master's degrees. But government pay, benefits, and job security, y'know?

Even with government, you have a better chance at advancement if you do have a degree.

Depends on the department. The USPS, at least when I worked there, was ALL about test scores, seniority, and military service (because veterans automatically got a leg up over everyone else). The job always went to the guy with the greater seniority, regardless of any qualifications beyond the basics.

Many postal workers are what I call Retired On Active Duty

I have been forced to put most of my bills on autopay because the mail is so unpredictable

Same here, they are terrible. I make sure when a new tenant moves in, I immediately letter their mailbox for the post office worker. I can't understand what is so hard about matching the name and address on the letter to the proper mailbox. It's like an impossible task for the carriers here.

I told this to a friend of mine, and my cousin, who are both mail carriers. They got so defensive and upset about it. First they said I probably didn't have addresses displayed, which of course I do, very large letters. Then they accused me of not putting the names on the box, I told them that every box has one or several names on it. In frustration, they finally said "You just don't understand, you never did the job before!!!"

I replied that no, I do not understand. I could put a letter in a mailbox when I was 8 years old. How is it these adults can't do the same???

That is not how mail works.
The delivery postman never gets to look at individual mail.
That would take way too long.
It is all presorted at a central facility, where they have to type in the info, and it is then bundled in layers.
Sorter gets about 3 seconds per item.
One of the hardest jobs in the world.
And you are constantly watched and rated by people behind 1 way mirrors, on catwalks above.
Postal sorters have the highest suicide rate of any profession.
You have heard of the term, "going postal", right?

That's all fine and dandy. My only question is why can't the carrier look at a name and address on the envelopes, and place it in the proper mailbox?

I am saying they would like to but are not allowed the time that would take.
Someone else has it all sorted and bundled, and they make a mistake, there is not much the carrier can do. They do not have time to double check each item. That would take almost twice as long as they are allotted.

 

[Mac-7]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

correct, the hourly rate for plumbers is equal to lawyers, and plumbers actually do something for people.

Lawyers make upper double digits to millions a year, depending on the lawyer. A friend of mine and his siblings just won a lawsuit started by their father before he died. The settlement was 700K. The lawyer got 25% just for that one case.

There are people with degrees that are working at Starbucks

Engineering graduates usually hit the ground running and are well paid

Among the bullshit degrees not so much

You will always find anomalies no matter what, but I'm speaking in general. I've met truck drivers that had degrees in things like graphics. They were only driving a truck because it paid better and were more openings. My niece is a college graduate. She's been waiting tables for the last ten years, and not because of the money either. She has a degree in biology.

When I worked at the Post Office way back when, half my co-workers had college degrees. Some of them had Master's degrees. But government pay, benefits, and job security, y'know?

Even with government, you have a better chance at advancement if you do have a degree.

Depends on the department. The USPS, at least when I worked there, was ALL about test scores, seniority, and military service (because veterans automatically got a leg up over everyone else). The job always went to the guy with the greater seniority, regardless of any qualifications beyond the basics.

Many postal workers are what I call Retired On Active Duty

I have been forced to put most of my bills on autopay because the mail is so unpredictable

Same here, they are terrible. I make sure when a new tenant moves in, I immediately letter their mailbox for the post office worker. I can't understand what is so hard about matching the name and address on the letter to the proper mailbox. It's like an impossible task for the carriers here.

I told this to a friend of mine, and my cousin, who are both mail carriers. They got so defensive and upset about it. First they said I probably didn't have addresses displayed, which of course I do, very large letters. Then they accused me of not putting the names on the box, I told them that every box has one or several names on it. In frustration, they finally said "You just don't understand, you never did the job before!!!"

I replied that no, I do not understand. I could put a letter in a mailbox when I was 8 years old. How is it these adults can't do the same???

That is not how mail works.
The delivery postman never gets to look at individual mail.
That would take way too long.
It is all presorted at a central facility, where they have to type in the info, and it is then bundled in layers.
Sorter gets about 3 seconds per item.
One of the hardest jobs in the world.
And you are constantly watched and rated by people behind 1 way mirrors, on catwalks above.
Postal sorters have the highest suicide rate of any profession.
You have heard of the term, "going postal", right?

That's all fine and dandy. My only question is why can't the carrier look at a name and address on the envelopes, and place it in the proper mailbox?

I am saying they would like to but are not allowed the time that would take.
Someone else has it all sorted and bundled, and they make a mistake, there is not much the carrier can do. They do not have time to double check each item. That would take almost twice as long as they are allotted.

The mail carriers at my post office sort and bundle their own mail themselves

 

[Mac-7]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Those who have made it clear that they aren't interested in working and prefer mooching on the sides of streets, don't deserve dime one; the same holds true of the drug/alcohol addicts. Their deliberate disobedience of the laws should also negate them from any monetary reward, as they would only funnel it into their addiction. No illegal migrant should be given dime one. Let them return to their own nation and get money from their government.

I totally agree with the immigration. I don't think we should be supporting their kids either. If they can't take care of the kids, ship them to an orphanage instead of giving them goodies. They don't belong here in the first place.

On the path we're on, social programs will always be a problem for people, and the social programs will always win. They have all of our lives. UBI settles that problem once and for all. I've also worked with (and I'm sure most people here have) people who don't have the intelligence to ever make a good living. It's not their fault. None of us can help the way we were born. Oh, they work hard, but just don't have the intelligence to do anything but menial jobs that pay low wages. Because they are totally capable of working, they can't get any aid from the government, and will live in poverty their entire life through no fault of their own.

I just see UBI as solving so many problems. Will it create other problems? Perhaps, but nearly as many that it could solve.

A UBI is the surest way to run this nation's economy into the ground and render all, poor. You can only steal from peoples pocketbooks until there's no more to suck out of them.

No, it is the only way to save the economy. Sure it increases the debt, but only temporarily, as in a month when this is over, we can all help pay it back. With the loan from the government, rents will be paid, food can be purchases, and we can save thousands of lives.
The federal government is the only source of credit that can do it, and it has to be done. There is no alternative.

Reports out of the senate is that dems are demanding a very generous unemployment comp

so generous that many people will stay home and milk it as long as they can

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Those who have made it clear that they aren't interested in working and prefer mooching on the sides of streets, don't deserve dime one; the same holds true of the drug/alcohol addicts. Their deliberate disobedience of the laws should also negate them from any monetary reward, as they would only funnel it into their addiction. No illegal migrant should be given dime one. Let them return to their own nation and get money from their government.

I totally agree with the immigration. I don't think we should be supporting their kids either. If they can't take care of the kids, ship them to an orphanage instead of giving them goodies. They don't belong here in the first place.

On the path we're on, social programs will always be a problem for people, and the social programs will always win. They have all of our lives. UBI settles that problem once and for all. I've also worked with (and I'm sure most people here have) people who don't have the intelligence to ever make a good living. It's not their fault. None of us can help the way we were born. Oh, they work hard, but just don't have the intelligence to do anything but menial jobs that pay low wages. Because they are totally capable of working, they can't get any aid from the government, and will live in poverty their entire life through no fault of their own.

I just see UBI as solving so many problems. Will it create other problems? Perhaps, but nearly as many that it could solve.

A UBI is the surest way to run this nation's economy into the ground and render all, poor. You can only steal from peoples pocketbooks until there's no more to suck out of them.

No, it is the only way to save the economy. Sure it increases the debt, but only temporarily, as in a month when this is over, we can all help pay it back. With the loan from the government, rents will be paid, food can be purchases, and we can save thousands of lives.
The federal government is the only source of credit that can do it, and it has to be done. There is no alternative.

Reports out of the senate is that dems are demanding a very generous unemployment comp

so generous that many people will stay home and milk it as long as they can

Isn't that what they always do? However people won't be able to collect when they are called back to their job.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

I love Tulsi but she is politically nuts. Sad!!

Greg

I think she's adorable.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Those who have made it clear that they aren't interested in working and prefer mooching on the sides of streets, don't deserve dime one; the same holds true of the drug/alcohol addicts. Their deliberate disobedience of the laws should also negate them from any monetary reward, as they would only funnel it into their addiction. No illegal migrant should be given dime one. Let them return to their own nation and get money from their government.

I totally agree with the immigration. I don't think we should be supporting their kids either. If they can't take care of the kids, ship them to an orphanage instead of giving them goodies. They don't belong here in the first place.

On the path we're on, social programs will always be a problem for people, and the social programs will always win. They have all of our lives. UBI settles that problem once and for all. I've also worked with (and I'm sure most people here have) people who don't have the intelligence to ever make a good living. It's not their fault. None of us can help the way we were born. Oh, they work hard, but just don't have the intelligence to do anything but menial jobs that pay low wages. Because they are totally capable of working, they can't get any aid from the government, and will live in poverty their entire life through no fault of their own.

I just see UBI as solving so many problems. Will it create other problems? Perhaps, but nearly as many that it could solve.

A UBI is the surest way to run this nation's economy into the ground and render all, poor. You can only steal from peoples pocketbooks until there's no more to suck out of them.

That's not what I am saying. What I am doing is using her idea and extrapolating that into a total social program replacement using UBI. In other words, if we could save money by using UBI, instead of funding all these social programs, what's to object to?

Some countries have found a universal income to decrease crime, make government easier, since then you do not need programs like food stamps, etc.

Think of all the bureaucracies that would have to close down. Those tens of thousands of people would have to try and get another government job, or join the private sector with the rest of us.

UBI solves a lot of problems. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and people have children solely to get more government benefits. We are encouraging poor people to create more poor people, and discouraging middle-class from procreating. UBI would do the exact opposite. College could be affordable for parents that want their kids to have a higher education. Working people without healthcare insurance would be able to afford it. Minimum wage? Off the table. We would never need to see a minimum wage hike again.

Poorer people like to stay under the minimum earning level to keep their benefits. UBI would encourage them to work even more. Our stock market and financial institutions would be very strong, as everybody would have to have an IRA account for when they retire. If successful, you could take your retirement at any age you want.

Many middle-class working people could also payoff their homes much quicker, or buy a larger home for their family. Best of all, it would force my lowlife HUD neighbors to move back where they came from, so we could once again live in peace and quiet.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

correct, the hourly rate for plumbers is equal to lawyers, and plumbers actually do something for people.

Lawyers make upper double digits to millions a year, depending on the lawyer. A friend of mine and his siblings just won a lawsuit started by their father before he died. The settlement was 700K. The lawyer got 25% just for that one case.

There are people with degrees that are working at Starbucks

Engineering graduates usually hit the ground running and are well paid

Among the bullshit degrees not so much

You will always find anomalies no matter what, but I'm speaking in general. I've met truck drivers that had degrees in things like graphics. They were only driving a truck because it paid better and were more openings. My niece is a college graduate. She's been waiting tables for the last ten years, and not because of the money either. She has a degree in biology.

When I worked at the Post Office way back when, half my co-workers had college degrees. Some of them had Master's degrees. But government pay, benefits, and job security, y'know?

Even with government, you have a better chance at advancement if you do have a degree.

Depends on the department. The USPS, at least when I worked there, was ALL about test scores, seniority, and military service (because veterans automatically got a leg up over everyone else). The job always went to the guy with the greater seniority, regardless of any qualifications beyond the basics.

Many postal workers are what I call Retired On Active Duty

I have been forced to put most of my bills on autopay because the mail is so unpredictable

Same here, they are terrible. I make sure when a new tenant moves in, I immediately letter their mailbox for the post office worker. I can't understand what is so hard about matching the name and address on the letter to the proper mailbox. It's like an impossible task for the carriers here.

I told this to a friend of mine, and my cousin, who are both mail carriers. They got so defensive and upset about it. First they said I probably didn't have addresses displayed, which of course I do, very large letters. Then they accused me of not putting the names on the box, I told them that every box has one or several names on it. In frustration, they finally said "You just don't understand, you never did the job before!!!"

I replied that no, I do not understand. I could put a letter in a mailbox when I was 8 years old. How is it these adults can't do the same???

That is not how mail works.
The delivery postman never gets to look at individual mail.
That would take way too long.
It is all presorted at a central facility, where they have to type in the info, and it is then bundled in layers.
Sorter gets about 3 seconds per item.
One of the hardest jobs in the world.
And you are constantly watched and rated by people behind 1 way mirrors, on catwalks above.
Postal sorters have the highest suicide rate of any profession.
You have heard of the term, "going postal", right?

That's all fine and dandy. My only question is why can't the carrier look at a name and address on the envelopes, and place it in the proper mailbox?

I am saying they would like to but are not allowed the time that would take.
Someone else has it all sorted and bundled, and they make a mistake, there is not much the carrier can do. They do not have time to double check each item. That would take almost twice as long as they are allotted.

I have two units on one property. Two mailboxes are on one unit. Each have names on them and right next to each other. The PO worker puts the wrong mail in the boxes. Tuesday is our junk mail day. The lazy SOB stuffs both bundles of junk mail in one box.

The rear unit is a single house. All his mail is marked REAR. Guess where the mail person puts his mail? That's right, in my box. So I called to complain. The woman on the phone told me he probably didn't see the house. What??? He can't see a house 50 feet away? Do you let this guy cross the street by himself, or can he only see moving objects?

 

[Mac-7]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Those who have made it clear that they aren't interested in working and prefer mooching on the sides of streets, don't deserve dime one; the same holds true of the drug/alcohol addicts. Their deliberate disobedience of the laws should also negate them from any monetary reward, as they would only funnel it into their addiction. No illegal migrant should be given dime one. Let them return to their own nation and get money from their government.

I totally agree with the immigration. I don't think we should be supporting their kids either. If they can't take care of the kids, ship them to an orphanage instead of giving them goodies. They don't belong here in the first place.

On the path we're on, social programs will always be a problem for people, and the social programs will always win. They have all of our lives. UBI settles that problem once and for all. I've also worked with (and I'm sure most people here have) people who don't have the intelligence to ever make a good living. It's not their fault. None of us can help the way we were born. Oh, they work hard, but just don't have the intelligence to do anything but menial jobs that pay low wages. Because they are totally capable of working, they can't get any aid from the government, and will live in poverty their entire life through no fault of their own.

I just see UBI as solving so many problems. Will it create other problems? Perhaps, but nearly as many that it could solve.

A UBI is the surest way to run this nation's economy into the ground and render all, poor. You can only steal from peoples pocketbooks until there's no more to suck out of them.

No, it is the only way to save the economy. Sure it increases the debt, but only temporarily, as in a month when this is over, we can all help pay it back. With the loan from the government, rents will be paid, food can be purchases, and we can save thousands of lives.
The federal government is the only source of credit that can do it, and it has to be done. There is no alternative.

Reports out of the senate is that dems are demanding a very generous unemployment comp

so generous that many people will stay home and milk it as long as they can

Isn't that what they always do? However people won't be able to collect when they are called back to their job.

I doubt if the bureaucrats are smart enough or motivated to prevent fraud

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Those who have made it clear that they aren't interested in working and prefer mooching on the sides of streets, don't deserve dime one; the same holds true of the drug/alcohol addicts. Their deliberate disobedience of the laws should also negate them from any monetary reward, as they would only funnel it into their addiction. No illegal migrant should be given dime one. Let them return to their own nation and get money from their government.

I totally agree with the immigration. I don't think we should be supporting their kids either. If they can't take care of the kids, ship them to an orphanage instead of giving them goodies. They don't belong here in the first place.

On the path we're on, social programs will always be a problem for people, and the social programs will always win. They have all of our lives. UBI settles that problem once and for all. I've also worked with (and I'm sure most people here have) people who don't have the intelligence to ever make a good living. It's not their fault. None of us can help the way we were born. Oh, they work hard, but just don't have the intelligence to do anything but menial jobs that pay low wages. Because they are totally capable of working, they can't get any aid from the government, and will live in poverty their entire life through no fault of their own.

I just see UBI as solving so many problems. Will it create other problems? Perhaps, but nearly as many that it could solve.

A UBI is the surest way to run this nation's economy into the ground and render all, poor. You can only steal from peoples pocketbooks until there's no more to suck out of them.

No, it is the only way to save the economy. Sure it increases the debt, but only temporarily, as in a month when this is over, we can all help pay it back. With the loan from the government, rents will be paid, food can be purchases, and we can save thousands of lives.
The federal government is the only source of credit that can do it, and it has to be done. There is no alternative.

Reports out of the senate is that dems are demanding a very generous unemployment comp

so generous that many people will stay home and milk it as long as they can

Isn't that what they always do? However people won't be able to collect when they are called back to their job.

I doubt if the bureaucrats are smart enough or motivated to prevent fraud

I don't know how it is in your state, but in ours, the employer can deny the employee unemployment. In most cases when an employee appeals, they win. However if your employer denies your unemployment because he or she called you back to work, they simply alert the unemployment office.

I was reading an article on the stimulus bill. What they said is that the feds are going to pay an additional $600.00 a week to unemployment recipients, for a maximum of four months. That means if you normally get $300.00 a week for your state unemployment, you will now get $900.00 a week. WTF wants to go to work when you're getting paid that kind of bread to stay home?

 

[Mac-7]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Those who have made it clear that they aren't interested in working and prefer mooching on the sides of streets, don't deserve dime one; the same holds true of the drug/alcohol addicts. Their deliberate disobedience of the laws should also negate them from any monetary reward, as they would only funnel it into their addiction. No illegal migrant should be given dime one. Let them return to their own nation and get money from their government.

I totally agree with the immigration. I don't think we should be supporting their kids either. If they can't take care of the kids, ship them to an orphanage instead of giving them goodies. They don't belong here in the first place.

On the path we're on, social programs will always be a problem for people, and the social programs will always win. They have all of our lives. UBI settles that problem once and for all. I've also worked with (and I'm sure most people here have) people who don't have the intelligence to ever make a good living. It's not their fault. None of us can help the way we were born. Oh, they work hard, but just don't have the intelligence to do anything but menial jobs that pay low wages. Because they are totally capable of working, they can't get any aid from the government, and will live in poverty their entire life through no fault of their own.

I just see UBI as solving so many problems. Will it create other problems? Perhaps, but nearly as many that it could solve.

A UBI is the surest way to run this nation's economy into the ground and render all, poor. You can only steal from peoples pocketbooks until there's no more to suck out of them.

No, it is the only way to save the economy. Sure it increases the debt, but only temporarily, as in a month when this is over, we can all help pay it back. With the loan from the government, rents will be paid, food can be purchases, and we can save thousands of lives.
The federal government is the only source of credit that can do it, and it has to be done. There is no alternative.

Reports out of the senate is that dems are demanding a very generous unemployment comp

so generous that many people will stay home and milk it as long as they can

Isn't that what they always do? However people won't be able to collect when they are called back to their job.

I doubt if the bureaucrats are smart enough or motivated to prevent fraud

I don't know how it is in your state, but in ours, the employer can deny the employee unemployment. In most cases when an employee appeals, they win. However if your employer denies your unemployment because he or she called you back to work, they simply alert the unemployment office.

I was reading an article on the stimulus bill. What they said is that the feds are going to pay an additional $600.00 a week to unemployment recipients, for a maximum of four months. That means if you normally get $300.00 a week for your state unemployment, you will now get $900.00 a week. WTF wants to go to work when you're getting paid that kind of bread to stay home?

And people will use every trick they can think of to stay on yje gravy train

 

[daveman]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

That's why college tuition went up when the government got involved in student loans.