Trumpers Are Threatening Violence

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Oh boo hoo. I suppose the left has been nothing but sweet and tolerant for the past 4 years, right?

"The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.

Its not a cult. People are just as loyal to trump as there are people loyal to Biden. I don't understand how people can put labels only on one side, when the other side are just as much loyal to their guy.

Whelp --- when you have obedient cult followers scrambling all over themselves to defend their orange messiach at the slightest hint of any criticism at all right down to frickin' JOKES, when you have obsequious bootlickers parroting the orange messiach's easily-debunked denialist bullshit theories IN SPITE OF the numbers and facts right in front of them ----- that's an emotional investment. An emotional investment at a level that outright denies realities. And when you're looking at that, you is looking at a cult, pure and simple. You're in Jim Jones territory. For fuck's sake you have these lemmings right here on this board, threatening their fellow citizens with violence, for no reason any more tangible than that Orange Crash said so. That is in fact what this thread is ABOUT.

And yet the poster I quoted actually tried to hide it behind "politics". So I called her on it.

Matter of fact you just committed the same gaffe "why do left-wingers...". Intentional blindness. More than a few of y'all are always desperate to try to spin all this into some kind of "political" situation, presumably because you can't handle it on its real basis.

From our temporal perspective we look back at the Germany of the 1930s and ask, "how could a nation blindly go along with that?". Whelp, that's the same thing the world of tomorrow will be asking --- indeed the rest of the world is already asking it.

I'll be damned if I can come up with an answer.

Whelp --- when you have obedient cult followers scrambling all over themselves to defend their orange messiach at the slightest hint of any criticism at all right down to frickin' JOKES, when you have obsequious bootlickers parroting the orange messiach's easily-debunked denialist bullshit theories IN SPITE OF the numbers and facts right in front of them ----- that's an emotional investment. An emotional investment at a level that outright denies realities. And when you're looking at that, you is looking at a cult, pure and simple.

Interesting, because the same thing applies to biden and his supporters. There are things that have come out about biden, things that have some evidence, or at least some suspicious looking information, and the left denies and defends it to their very core.

You call right wingers cultists for the very same thing

This is the point where I went right to sleep, since you're still hung up on this "politics/left-right" malarkey. Which shows me that you're not even reading the post you quote, so why should I bother.

But say speaking of cult followers, since we both know that proper names are capitalized in English, how is it the only time you do that is on the name "Trump"?

This is the point where I went right to sleep, since you're still hung up on this "politics/left-right" malarkey. Which shows me that you're not even reading the post you quote, so why should I bother

Isn't that what this thread is about? The OP wanted to call out the rights [sic call for violence

See what I mean? You just did it AGAIN. It's like this all sails right over your head. Or you duck.

Read the thread title and explain to me where it says anything about "the right".

And there we are, right back to "cult". Which is short for "cult of personality". "The right" and "the left" are not personalities. GET IT?

Thread title:

"Trumpers are threatening violence"

That signifies "the right" to me.

See, that's your problem right there. Conflating "politics" and "personalities". Cult followers don't equate to a political position. And perhaps you've been "away" when masses of those on "the right" mobilized to resist and replace Rump, all along. The George Wills, the Bushes, the Lincoln Project?

Ok, sure, I understand that not all people on the right follow trump, but pretty much all people who follow trump are on "the right". Perhaps when i wrote my post. I should have replaced "the right" and "the left" with "trump followers" and "biden followers".

Indeed, as the thread started originally. Because a cult follower is IN NO WAY the same as "the right" or "the left". It isn't even political at all --- it's PERSONAL. Always has been. It's about character, not 'politics'.

And that's what this conflict has always been --- PERSONAL. Rump clearly has no politics. He'll say whatever makes the minions froth at the mouth and then turn around and deny he just said that. His only concern is "ME ME ME AND DID I MENTION ME" and manipulating other poor saps into fellating his ego even further, e.g. "beat the crap out of 'em", e.g. "stand back and stand by" e.g. "very fine people" e.g. egging yahoos to storm their state capitals, e.g. pepperspraying a peaceful assembly so he can take a picture holding a bible upside down in front of a church where he wasn't welcome anyway.. Notice that he NEVER involves himself directly in ANY of this. He sprayed no pepper himself, he beat the crap out of nobody himself, he drove no cars into people himself, he stormed no Lansings himself. Cult followers did all of that. Because they hear and obey. He does it because it gets him off.

THAT IS A CULT, plain and simple.

Btw when you say "not all people on the right follow trump, but pretty much all people who follow trump are on "the right"', it's akin to when i point out "not all of those on "the right" are racists, but those who are racists are on "the right'". In both cases, true but not relevant as causation.

When the "biden supporters" call trump followers "a cult", they are referring to the definition of a cult, which is misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

Correct, and that's putting it mildly. You left out that such a following will outright deny reality and descend into violence for that cult. Call it the way it is. And it's not "biden [sic] supporters" using this obvious description --- this has been well known for FIVE YEARS, long before there was a "biden [sic]" in the picture. The cult goes all the way back to the "knock the hell" daze.

Even if you are talking cult if personality, its essentially the same thing. Again, I was pointing out, as in your post, when you called them a cult, that the "biden supporters" do the exact same thing.

Uh... really.

Show us where "Biden supporters" suckerpunched protesters at a Biden event. Show us where they strapped on guns and stormed their state capitals and/or threatened to kidnap and execute governors. Show us where they stand idly by while Biden spews a torrent of made-up bullshit and mind-numbingly murmur "yes master, we hear and obey". Show us where Biden sends a torrent of whiny tweets at some critic whereupon his mysterious 'cult followers' fall all over themselves to parrot the same thing on command, even oozing onto this board to try to tell us with a straight fact that no Rump was not mocking that reporter's congenital disability. Obviously it's NOT AT ALL the same thing.

Don't sit here and peddle hallucinations. We know better. And AGAIN all this shitflinging was going on WAY before Biden was even in the picture, way before the primaries. It's been going on --- again---- for FIVE YEARS.

*NONE* of this is about "biden [sic]", desperately as you cultists try to make it that way. It's about Rump and it's always been about Rump, because that's where the cult is.

See, that's your problem right there. Conflating "politics" and "personalities". Cult followers don't equate to a political position. And perhaps you've been "away" when masses of those on "the right" mobilized to resist and replace Rump, all along. The George Wills, the Bushes, the Lincoln Project

George will? Lincoln project? Never trumpers?

I disagree with your assertion that people follow trump because of who he is. They follow him because he wasnt Hillary Clinton. Had anyone else won in 2016 from the republican party, "the right" would be following them. Its not about trump per se as much as it is about not wanting democratic control to be attained.

Sure, there are those who like his crass style, his unconventional demeanor. Some people were looking for anyone who wasn't just like all the others.....establishment politicians. They wanted someone who was rough around the edges, but again, if ANYONE else from the republican party had won in 2016, they would have gladly followed them as well.

And that's what this conflict has always been --- PERSONAL. Rump clearly has no politics. He'll say whatever makes the minions froth at the mouth and then turn around and deny he just said that. His only concern is "ME ME ME AND DID I MENTION ME" and manipulating other poor saps into fellating his ego even further

Sure, ill agree that trump is a bit narsaccistic, but every president likes to tout their achievements. Most of them are not as boisterous as trump is about it, ill give you that, but they all pat themselves on the back.

"beat the crap out of 'em

I agree, it was not right of him to incite that.

"stand back and stand by

Again, as I've stated already, nobody knows what that meant. The left wing media did alot of assuming (conveniently), because that is what they wanted to put into the heads of their viewers and listeners.

Trump could have just fumbled the words, who knows. We shouldn't just assume what's going on in his head. Its the same during the 2016 debate when he said "blood coming from..wherever". The left had a field day with that...though they had no clue what he meant. They just fabricated a narrative and pushed it.

Did anyone stop to think...hmm, maybe he just ran out of ideas after saying "nose and eyes". Maybe he didn't want to pursue that statement any further and just wanted to end it.

Point is, we don't know what he meant in either instance.

very fine people

Again, already explained. Watch the whole clip for proper context.

egging yahoos to storm their state capitals

Ok, I must have missed that. Point me to a link where trump instructs people to storm the calitals.

pepperspraying a peaceful assembly so he can take a picture holding a bible upside down in front of a church where he wasn't welcome anyway

Were the protesters in an area where the president was going to be? I'm not saying what he did was right, but, if potus was coming through and there were protesters in the way, then secret service is going to clear a path.

Notice that he NEVER involves himself directly in ANY of this. He sprayed no pepper himself, he beat the crap out of nobody himself, he drove no cars into people himself, he stormed no Lansings himself. Cult followers did all of that. Because they hear and obey.He does it because it gets him off.

Yeah, just like Maxine waters didn't go out and form a crowd and get in the faces of people, but she called for it.

Just like kamala Harris when she said the riots are not going to stop...but she didn't actually get out there and riot.

it's akin to when i point out "not all of those on "the right" are racists, but those who are racists are on "the right'"

Thats both incorrect and unproveable. Just because left wing media likes to paint all Republicans as racist (and they do), doesn't mean any of it is true. Also, im sure there are plenty of racists who are democrats, the only difference is, you don't have media types talking about it 24/7.

Racism exists, we know that, but you can't pat yourself on the back and claim moral superiority, because the left has just as much a problem with being racist.

Correct, and that's putting it mildly. You left out that such a following will outright deny reality and descend into violence for that cult

Both sides are at fault for committing violence.

Show us where "Biden supporters" suckerpunched protesters at a Biden event

Notice if trump supporters show up to biden events, seems like they generally protest outside and don't really go in to cause a scene inside the event. However, we see that biden supporters like to disrupt trump events and cause problems. We've seen this multiple times, and most recently in Washington. Again, as I've pointed out.

Show us where they strapped on guns and stormed their state capitals and/or threatened to kidnap and execute governors

Who stormed the capitals? Where did anyone threaten to execute Whitmer?

Show us where they stand idly by while Biden spews a torrent of made-up bullshit and mind-numbingly murmur "yes master, we hear and obey"

I've never seen anything like that. Yes, supporters are going to cheer for their candidate, just as bidens do, but "hear and obey"? I think that is an image you have in your head, likely influenced by a left wing talk show host.

Show us where Biden sends a torrent of whiny tweets at some critic whereupon his mysterious 'cult followers' fall all over themselves to parrot the same thing on command

I've never been a fan of trump being able to tweet whatever he wants. I've said before, he should probably be moderated on his tweeting. Having said that, "parroting" is nothing new, both sides do it.

even oozing onto this board to try to tell us with a straight fact that no Rump was not mocking that reporter's congenital disability

I admit, that looks bad, and I agree, he shouldn't have done it.

NONE* of this is about "biden [sic]", desperately as you cultists try to make it that way. It's about Rump and it's always been about Rump, because that's where the cult

Again, I disagree with the "cult" assessment. Each side has their fanatics, but overall, its just people cheering their candidate.

I really don't know how we got so long winded on this topic. You made a post, I disputed it, and then you went way off on other things.

My point was in replying to your post, that there is violence on both sides, from what I've seen, those on the left seem to be a bit more prone and active about their violence, but both sides are guilty.


You made a list of things you claimed trump supporters did, and called them a cult. I disagree that they are a cult, for reasons already explained, and I also showed that, people on the left were also guilty of spreading hate and violence .

Thats really all I was trying to say.

You're an extremely careless reader. EVERYTHING I've posted on this exchange is specifically about what you specifically questioned, the idea of a Cult. I don't have the time to pick it apart right now but here are the highlights to come:

• You left out the crucial word "her" --- "bleeding from HER wherever". Rump has a history with women and blood. A severe hangup. See also "bleeding badly from a facelift".

• Again you can't seem to find your shift key, either that or are just not familiar with English, where we capitalize proper nouns. That's why it's not clear when you post, "not wanting democratic control to be attained" whether you actually mean, "not wanting Democratic control to be attained", because those two phrases mean entirely different things. As it stands it makes no sense.

• Speaking of "democrats" presumably meaning "Democrats" --- "I'm sure there are plenty of racists who are democrat [sic]" is not a comparator to what I just wrote, which was about racists being "on the right", not being "affiliated with X political party". Racism has no political party. Again, failure to read what you're responding to. It's been a pattern throughout.

• "Stand by" was directly in response to an invitation for him to disavow the Proud Boys. Don't try to suggest "nobody knew what he meant by that". It was a direct response to a specific, and the Proud Boys themselves picked up on it immediately. David Dooky fits in here too.

• Finally, after I took pains to point out how none of this is about politics but about personal character, you AGAIN tried to shift it right back to politics and political parties and "their side". This is all sailing right over your head, and I believe that's intentional on your part. You're not reading.

Oh and I don't listen to talk radio, so once again ass-umptions pulled out of your wherever. But once AGAIN --- trying to shift the idea of "cult" into the idea of "politics".

CULT - POLITICS ... KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

You left out the crucial word "her" --- "bleeding from HER wherever". Rump has a history with women and blood. A severe hangup. See also "bleeding badly from a facelift

Yeah, her. He was talking to a woman. Doesn't mean he was referring to her vagina. Again, we don't KNOW what he meant. You seem to not want to give any credence to the possibility that maybe he was just being 'general'. You have to believe that he could only have been talking about her vagina....why? There was absolutely no context in his statement, either way.

I'm willing to admit he could have been being lewd, but you are not willing to conceive that maybe he wasnt. THAT is cult like behavior. Being so engrossed to one idea that you cannot fathom that it could be any other way.

Again you can't seem to find your shift key, either that or are just not familiar with English, where we capitalize proper nouns. That's why it's not clear when you post, "not wanting democratic control to be attained" whether you actually mean, "not wanting Democratic control to be attained", because those two phrases mean entirely different things. As it stands it makes no sense

Again, I'm posting from my phone. Whatever Google or Samsung decides to capitalize...thats on them. Im just typing.

I apologize, I didn't know democrat had a different meaning than Democrat. In the phrase "...democratic control...." I was speaking simply of not having the democrats gain control of the white house.

Speaking of "democrats" presumably meaning "Democrats" --- "I'm sure there are plenty of racists who are democrat [sic]" is not a comparator to what I just wrote, which was about racists being "on the right", not being "affiliated with X political party". Racism has no political party. Again, failure to read what you're responding to. It's been a pattern throughout

Ok, I guess I don't get it then. You said "its akin to when I say that not all those on "the right are racist, but those who are racist are on the right". I agree that not everyone on the right are racist and not everyone on the left are racist, but there are racist in both parties.

I know racism has no political party, but that doesn't stop the left from throwing that term at the right constantly. I hear it every single day how "Republicans are the party of racists". My point was, perhaps the democrats should do some self reflection.

"Stand by" was directly in response to an invitation for him to disavow the Proud Boys. Don't try to suggest "nobody knew what he meant by that". It was a direct response to a specific, and the Proud Boys themselves picked up on it immediately. David Dooky fits in here too

So, trump makes a comment and the proud boys make a affirmation of that comment. So, that means the only explanation is that trump was signaling to the proud boys to "stand by and wait for further instructions". There is no other explanation but that? Even though, pretty much as long as they have been around, people on the left have called the proud boys a radical, right wing, alt right, racist, violent group. Knowing that, its not possible that they heard that from Trump and took it upon themselves to acknowledge?

Again, I'm not saying thats not a possibility, but, just like with Megan Kelly, all you can do is assume, because just like Megan Kelly, there was no context added to his statement.

I wouldn't think, if trump was trying to signal to a radical violent alt right group, that he wouldnt do it on national television. What does he gain by doing something like that? A move like that could only serve to hurt him. With everything trump has been accused of, he doesn't need conspiring with a racist, alt right, neo nazi, fascist, anti Semitic, zealot, cult, hate group to be on his resume..

Finally, after I took pains to point out how none of this is about politics but about personal character, you AGAIN tried to shift it right back to politics and political parties and "their side". This is all sailing right over your head, and I believe that's intentional on your part. You're not reading

Oooh kay, let's take this back all the way to the beginning.

Under a thread titled:

TRUMPERS ARE THREATENING VIOLENCE.

You posted:

The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on

I understand that you say its not about politics, its about personal character. Then, you go on to a list of things that were alleged in the media to be done by "trump supporters", in other words "right wingers".

My response to your post was:

Gracie said:

Oh boo hoo. I suppose the left has been nothing but sweet and tolerant for the past 4 years, right?




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"The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

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This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.

Its not a cult. People are just as loyal to trump as there are people loyal to Biden. I don't understand how people can put labels only on one side, when the other side are just as much loyal to their guy.


Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.

I've heard people say this a few times. Where is the article where it said they were going to execute her? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I've seen articles, but they don't mention anything about execution.


"Very fine people".

Has been debunked many times. Please don't just look at the sound byte that left wing media gives to you. Look at everything trump said. You know, when he said that, he wasn't talking about the white supremacists when he said "very fine people" because he goes on to exclude them and said they should be condemned. Why do all the left wingers leave that part out?


"Stand by".

Nobody really knows what he meant by that. Sure, the left wing talk hosts used it to gin up a lot of rhetoric and fear mongering, but nobody really knows what he meant.

"Beat the crap out of 'em".

I give ya this one. He shouldn't have said it, but he was just referring to people disrupting his campaign speech.


Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

If this is referring to the biden bus drama, wasn't it already proven that it was a vehicle of a left wingers who was at fault?

Man oh man. I've said it before, here on this very forum, and ill say it again. Trump was right about one thing for sure, the media is the enemy of the people.

Look at where we are at, so polarized and ready to be at each others throats, and why? Because of media. We live in echo chambers and get fed from the hours of rhetoric each and every day. We choose to see only one side, and that side is telling us that the other side are hateful and hideous people.

Media = programming. When you listen to hateful rhetoric for too long, it causes you to become hateful. Personally, im having to take a step back from listening to left wing talk shows, I found that by listening to their hateful rhetoric, and constant attacks on right wingers every day, with their vile language, and constant accusations, it started to make me become very jaded. I'm someone who leans libertarian right, but I listen to talk shows on both sides, just to hear what the other side is saying.

After months of listening to people like michaelangelo signorile, who's show is nothing but hate speech against the right, and accusations and constantly berating and down talking Republicans, i found myself becoming hateful myself, not against the right, but against the left, and all the hate that they were spouting.

Point is, if you continually feed off of that sort of thing, you will become part of it. Its just psychological. If you listen to something long enough, you become more and more affected by it.

I think the media controls us more than some want to admit. If you think of it, everything you know about what is going on in the world comes from a media outlet. If you listen to fox, then that news is going to have a right leaning spin. If you listen to cnn or msnbc, then its going to have a left leaning spin, but you'll never get the unslanted truth.

To me, this is a problem, because this means media outlets have way too much power to be able to influence.

Just look at FB and Twitter now, and YouTube. They have become so influential, they are having to have hearings on their efforts to silence opposing views, and these are not even "news" organizations, but, they can be every bit as influential as fox and cnn, even more so, since a lot of people get their news and stories from people who post to these sites.

Anyway, I've blathered on too long. Its just sad when you have video of someone saying something, and people would rather believe the echo chamber spun version of it.

I admit, I went off on a tangent here, but, the initial part of my post was addressed at the things that you alleged. My point was to refute those things by pointing out inaccuracies, and bogus claims by left wing media, which sent me on a tirade about media.....sorry about that lol.

Then YOUUUUU *finger point* went on about all this other stuff. Honestly, I wasn't meaning for it to go this deep. I was really just trying to refute your arguments.

My bad!

You're a real piece of work. You make these massive wrongheaded conflations, insert terms that were never there, you get told about them, then you do them AGAIN, then you get told about them AGAIN, then you do them again AGAIN.

It appears your strategy here is to bury the original point, about the Cult --- in a mountain of clueless verbage. So I'm just going to pick some of the low-hanging fruit, since it's not worth the work to school a student who CAN'T READ.

Number one.

Yeah, her. He was talking to a woman. Doesn't mean he was referring to her vagina. Again, we don't KNOW what he meant. You seem to not want to give any credence to the possibility that maybe he was just being 'general'. You have to believe that he could only have been talking about her vagina....why? There was absolutely no context in his statement, either way.

BULLSHIT. Maybe you're unfamiliar with how menstruation works but Rump is not. He's got a history of denigrating women and a blood hangup to go with it. AND THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THIS yet here you are trying to play "I'm too stupid". "Blood" is an attack, via ancient and ignorant culture derived from ancient patriarchy, to (he thinks) demean and devalue his adversary when that adversary is female. Kelly had been asking pointed questions, about exactly that, and that's what he was referring to with that particular "blood" thing. If you don't know all this then you're not even qualified to be in this discussion.

I'm willing to admit he could have been being lewd, but you are not willing to conceive that maybe he wasnt. THAT is cult like behavior.

BULLSHIT. Cultism involves a blind following of some yahoo who purports to be a god. What I'm doing is the exact opposite of that. It's calling out the cult FOR BEING a cult. Apparently you have no clue even what the term "cult" means, so why are you even engaging? What you're actually doing is bending over backward to white-knight for the cult god by disregarding evidence right in front of your face. Nobody's buying it. And the fact remains, as I already pointed out, you deliberately left out the gender identifier "her" in the quote, as part of that white-knight flailing attempt. You're not fooling ANYBODY.

Again, I'm posting from my phone. Whatever Google or Samsung decides to capitalize...thats on them. Im just typing.

It's great to know all this means so much to you that you post from your phone (/sarcasm) but I have yet to see a phone that can't post upper and lower cases where they belong, so long as the user controls it. Maybe you're not only not reading my posts, but also not even reading your own. So now you want to blame Google and Samsung? That's pathetic.

I apologize, I didn't know democrat had a different meaning than Democrat. In the phrase "...democratic control...." I was speaking simply of not having the democrats gain control of the white house.

A "democrat" is a person who believes in democracy. A "Democrat" is a member of a specific political party. I figured you meant the latter but you couldn't be bothered to simply spell it right.

Ok, I guess I don't get it then. You said "its akin to when I say that not all those on "the right are racist, but those who are racist are on the right". I agree that not everyone on the right are racist and not everyone on the left are racist, but there are racist in both parties.

And there you just did it again AGAIN. You actually don't see, even though you quoted it yourself, that I said "on the right" and you then translated that to "parties". THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME THING.



You're not reading a damn thing here. Just going

I know racism has no political party, but that doesn't stop the left from throwing that term at the right constantly. I hear it every single day how "Republicans are the party of racists". My point was, perhaps the democrats should do some self reflection.

You mean "Democrats'? Or "democrats"? In either case what the hell does that have to do with me?
I have little patience for blanket generalizations, so that's a non-starter.

I wouldn't think, if trump was trying to signal to a radical violent alt right group, that he wouldnt do it on national television. What does he gain by doing something like that? A move like that could only serve to hurt him. With everything trump has been accused of, he doesn't need conspiring with a racist, alt right, neo nazi, fascist, anti Semitic, zealot, cult, hate group to be on his resume..

Of course he would. It's a wide audience. What does he gain? He gains, as you just confirmed, the attention and obedience of the Proud Boys, and their ilk. He gains his "army" of Tiki torchers, "very fine people", David Dookies and hyper-nutcases storming state capitals with guns and plotting to kidnap and execute governors (that's plural). And he uses Tweeter the same way to stir that up. You'll notice he never did take the invitation to condemn them, because he's afraid to. As one of the "very fine people" warned him in a previous infamous event:

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That was sent immediately following Charlottesville after Rump actually DID signal a condemnation of what he later called "very fine people" in that spontaneous press conference where he started whining about his poor misunderstood racist base in an appalling dog whistle apology to them. That's right, Rump mended his ways and did an about-face -- because David Dooky shamed him into it. And Rump obeyed.

Rump needs these assholes for his imaginary guerilla army, the one that's going to kidnap and execute governors, drive cars into people, start civil wars, storm state capitals and somehow jerk off his pipe dream of hanging on to the White House forever, elections or no elections. THAT is why he does it.

I understand that you say its not about politics, its about personal character. Then, you go on to a list of things that were alleged in the media to be done by "trump supporters", in other words "right wingers".

Once AGAIN AGAIN, there you go taking what WAS -- the entity "Rump supporters", or as I call them "the cult" -------------- and immediately morphing into something you WISH it was. "right wingers". NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "RIGHT WINGERS". Why do you INSIST on this dishonesty? You don't get to just switch terms from what you can't handle to what you wish the term had been. As long as you keep pulling that, you're not engaged in this question at all. You're doing everything you can to avoid it. It would appear you're conceding that I'm right about "cult" and in exchange you want to have a different argument instead. I don't.

Don't even bother to continue this. You're not listening and you're wasting my time.

 

[Gracie]

Oh boo hoo. I suppose the left has been nothing but sweet and tolerant for the past 4 years, right?

"The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.

Its not a cult. People are just as loyal to trump as there are people loyal to Biden. I don't understand how people can put labels only on one side, when the other side are just as much loyal to their guy.

Whelp --- when you have obedient cult followers scrambling all over themselves to defend their orange messiach at the slightest hint of any criticism at all right down to frickin' JOKES, when you have obsequious bootlickers parroting the orange messiach's easily-debunked denialist bullshit theories IN SPITE OF the numbers and facts right in front of them ----- that's an emotional investment. An emotional investment at a level that outright denies realities. And when you're looking at that, you is looking at a cult, pure and simple. You're in Jim Jones territory. For fuck's sake you have these lemmings right here on this board, threatening their fellow citizens with violence, for no reason any more tangible than that Orange Crash said so. That is in fact what this thread is ABOUT.

And yet the poster I quoted actually tried to hide it behind "politics". So I called her on it.

Matter of fact you just committed the same gaffe "why do left-wingers...". Intentional blindness. More than a few of y'all are always desperate to try to spin all this into some kind of "political" situation, presumably because you can't handle it on its real basis.

From our temporal perspective we look back at the Germany of the 1930s and ask, "how could a nation blindly go along with that?". Whelp, that's the same thing the world of tomorrow will be asking --- indeed the rest of the world is already asking it.

I'll be damned if I can come up with an answer.

Whelp --- when you have obedient cult followers scrambling all over themselves to defend their orange messiach at the slightest hint of any criticism at all right down to frickin' JOKES, when you have obsequious bootlickers parroting the orange messiach's easily-debunked denialist bullshit theories IN SPITE OF the numbers and facts right in front of them ----- that's an emotional investment. An emotional investment at a level that outright denies realities. And when you're looking at that, you is looking at a cult, pure and simple.

Interesting, because the same thing applies to biden and his supporters. There are things that have come out about biden, things that have some evidence, or at least some suspicious looking information, and the left denies and defends it to their very core.

You call right wingers cultists for the very same thing

This is the point where I went right to sleep, since you're still hung up on this "politics/left-right" malarkey. Which shows me that you're not even reading the post you quote, so why should I bother.

But say speaking of cult followers, since we both know that proper names are capitalized in English, how is it the only time you do that is on the name "Trump"?

This is the point where I went right to sleep, since you're still hung up on this "politics/left-right" malarkey. Which shows me that you're not even reading the post you quote, so why should I bother

Isn't that what this thread is about? The OP wanted to call out the rights [sic call for violence

See what I mean? You just did it AGAIN. It's like this all sails right over your head. Or you duck.

Read the thread title and explain to me where it says anything about "the right".

And there we are, right back to "cult". Which is short for "cult of personality". "The right" and "the left" are not personalities. GET IT?

Thread title:

"Trumpers are threatening violence"

That signifies "the right" to me.

See, that's your problem right there. Conflating "politics" and "personalities". Cult followers don't equate to a political position. And perhaps you've been "away" when masses of those on "the right" mobilized to resist and replace Rump, all along. The George Wills, the Bushes, the Lincoln Project?

Ok, sure, I understand that not all people on the right follow trump, but pretty much all people who follow trump are on "the right". Perhaps when i wrote my post. I should have replaced "the right" and "the left" with "trump followers" and "biden followers".

Indeed, as the thread started originally. Because a cult follower is IN NO WAY the same as "the right" or "the left". It isn't even political at all --- it's PERSONAL. Always has been. It's about character, not 'politics'.

And that's what this conflict has always been --- PERSONAL. Rump clearly has no politics. He'll say whatever makes the minions froth at the mouth and then turn around and deny he just said that. His only concern is "ME ME ME AND DID I MENTION ME" and manipulating other poor saps into fellating his ego even further, e.g. "beat the crap out of 'em", e.g. "stand back and stand by" e.g. "very fine people" e.g. egging yahoos to storm their state capitals, e.g. pepperspraying a peaceful assembly so he can take a picture holding a bible upside down in front of a church where he wasn't welcome anyway.. Notice that he NEVER involves himself directly in ANY of this. He sprayed no pepper himself, he beat the crap out of nobody himself, he drove no cars into people himself, he stormed no Lansings himself. Cult followers did all of that. Because they hear and obey. He does it because it gets him off.

THAT IS A CULT, plain and simple.

Btw when you say "not all people on the right follow trump, but pretty much all people who follow trump are on "the right"', it's akin to when i point out "not all of those on "the right" are racists, but those who are racists are on "the right'". In both cases, true but not relevant as causation.

When the "biden supporters" call trump followers "a cult", they are referring to the definition of a cult, which is misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

Correct, and that's putting it mildly. You left out that such a following will outright deny reality and descend into violence for that cult. Call it the way it is. And it's not "biden [sic] supporters" using this obvious description --- this has been well known for FIVE YEARS, long before there was a "biden [sic]" in the picture. The cult goes all the way back to the "knock the hell" daze.

Even if you are talking cult if personality, its essentially the same thing. Again, I was pointing out, as in your post, when you called them a cult, that the "biden supporters" do the exact same thing.

Uh... really.

Show us where "Biden supporters" suckerpunched protesters at a Biden event. Show us where they strapped on guns and stormed their state capitals and/or threatened to kidnap and execute governors. Show us where they stand idly by while Biden spews a torrent of made-up bullshit and mind-numbingly murmur "yes master, we hear and obey". Show us where Biden sends a torrent of whiny tweets at some critic whereupon his mysterious 'cult followers' fall all over themselves to parrot the same thing on command, even oozing onto this board to try to tell us with a straight fact that no Rump was not mocking that reporter's congenital disability. Obviously it's NOT AT ALL the same thing.

Don't sit here and peddle hallucinations. We know better. And AGAIN all this shitflinging was going on WAY before Biden was even in the picture, way before the primaries. It's been going on --- again---- for FIVE YEARS.

*NONE* of this is about "biden [sic]", desperately as you cultists try to make it that way. It's about Rump and it's always been about Rump, because that's where the cult is.

See, that's your problem right there. Conflating "politics" and "personalities". Cult followers don't equate to a political position. And perhaps you've been "away" when masses of those on "the right" mobilized to resist and replace Rump, all along. The George Wills, the Bushes, the Lincoln Project

George will? Lincoln project? Never trumpers?

I disagree with your assertion that people follow trump because of who he is. They follow him because he wasnt Hillary Clinton. Had anyone else won in 2016 from the republican party, "the right" would be following them. Its not about trump per se as much as it is about not wanting democratic control to be attained.

Sure, there are those who like his crass style, his unconventional demeanor. Some people were looking for anyone who wasn't just like all the others.....establishment politicians. They wanted someone who was rough around the edges, but again, if ANYONE else from the republican party had won in 2016, they would have gladly followed them as well.

And that's what this conflict has always been --- PERSONAL. Rump clearly has no politics. He'll say whatever makes the minions froth at the mouth and then turn around and deny he just said that. His only concern is "ME ME ME AND DID I MENTION ME" and manipulating other poor saps into fellating his ego even further

Sure, ill agree that trump is a bit narsaccistic, but every president likes to tout their achievements. Most of them are not as boisterous as trump is about it, ill give you that, but they all pat themselves on the back.

"beat the crap out of 'em

I agree, it was not right of him to incite that.

"stand back and stand by

Again, as I've stated already, nobody knows what that meant. The left wing media did alot of assuming (conveniently), because that is what they wanted to put into the heads of their viewers and listeners.

Trump could have just fumbled the words, who knows. We shouldn't just assume what's going on in his head. Its the same during the 2016 debate when he said "blood coming from..wherever". The left had a field day with that...though they had no clue what he meant. They just fabricated a narrative and pushed it.

Did anyone stop to think...hmm, maybe he just ran out of ideas after saying "nose and eyes". Maybe he didn't want to pursue that statement any further and just wanted to end it.

Point is, we don't know what he meant in either instance.

very fine people

Again, already explained. Watch the whole clip for proper context.

egging yahoos to storm their state capitals

Ok, I must have missed that. Point me to a link where trump instructs people to storm the calitals.

pepperspraying a peaceful assembly so he can take a picture holding a bible upside down in front of a church where he wasn't welcome anyway

Were the protesters in an area where the president was going to be? I'm not saying what he did was right, but, if potus was coming through and there were protesters in the way, then secret service is going to clear a path.

Notice that he NEVER involves himself directly in ANY of this. He sprayed no pepper himself, he beat the crap out of nobody himself, he drove no cars into people himself, he stormed no Lansings himself. Cult followers did all of that. Because they hear and obey.He does it because it gets him off.

Yeah, just like Maxine waters didn't go out and form a crowd and get in the faces of people, but she called for it.

Just like kamala Harris when she said the riots are not going to stop...but she didn't actually get out there and riot.

it's akin to when i point out "not all of those on "the right" are racists, but those who are racists are on "the right'"

Thats both incorrect and unproveable. Just because left wing media likes to paint all Republicans as racist (and they do), doesn't mean any of it is true. Also, im sure there are plenty of racists who are democrats, the only difference is, you don't have media types talking about it 24/7.

Racism exists, we know that, but you can't pat yourself on the back and claim moral superiority, because the left has just as much a problem with being racist.

Correct, and that's putting it mildly. You left out that such a following will outright deny reality and descend into violence for that cult

Both sides are at fault for committing violence.

Show us where "Biden supporters" suckerpunched protesters at a Biden event

Notice if trump supporters show up to biden events, seems like they generally protest outside and don't really go in to cause a scene inside the event. However, we see that biden supporters like to disrupt trump events and cause problems. We've seen this multiple times, and most recently in Washington. Again, as I've pointed out.

Show us where they strapped on guns and stormed their state capitals and/or threatened to kidnap and execute governors

Who stormed the capitals? Where did anyone threaten to execute Whitmer?

Show us where they stand idly by while Biden spews a torrent of made-up bullshit and mind-numbingly murmur "yes master, we hear and obey"

I've never seen anything like that. Yes, supporters are going to cheer for their candidate, just as bidens do, but "hear and obey"? I think that is an image you have in your head, likely influenced by a left wing talk show host.

Show us where Biden sends a torrent of whiny tweets at some critic whereupon his mysterious 'cult followers' fall all over themselves to parrot the same thing on command

I've never been a fan of trump being able to tweet whatever he wants. I've said before, he should probably be moderated on his tweeting. Having said that, "parroting" is nothing new, both sides do it.

even oozing onto this board to try to tell us with a straight fact that no Rump was not mocking that reporter's congenital disability

I admit, that looks bad, and I agree, he shouldn't have done it.

NONE* of this is about "biden [sic]", desperately as you cultists try to make it that way. It's about Rump and it's always been about Rump, because that's where the cult

Again, I disagree with the "cult" assessment. Each side has their fanatics, but overall, its just people cheering their candidate.

I really don't know how we got so long winded on this topic. You made a post, I disputed it, and then you went way off on other things.

My point was in replying to your post, that there is violence on both sides, from what I've seen, those on the left seem to be a bit more prone and active about their violence, but both sides are guilty.


You made a list of things you claimed trump supporters did, and called them a cult. I disagree that they are a cult, for reasons already explained, and I also showed that, people on the left were also guilty of spreading hate and violence .

Thats really all I was trying to say.

You're an extremely careless reader. EVERYTHING I've posted on this exchange is specifically about what you specifically questioned, the idea of a Cult. I don't have the time to pick it apart right now but here are the highlights to come:

• You left out the crucial word "her" --- "bleeding from HER wherever". Rump has a history with women and blood. A severe hangup. See also "bleeding badly from a facelift".

• Again you can't seem to find your shift key, either that or are just not familiar with English, where we capitalize proper nouns. That's why it's not clear when you post, "not wanting democratic control to be attained" whether you actually mean, "not wanting Democratic control to be attained", because those two phrases mean entirely different things. As it stands it makes no sense.

• Speaking of "democrats" presumably meaning "Democrats" --- "I'm sure there are plenty of racists who are democrat [sic]" is not a comparator to what I just wrote, which was about racists being "on the right", not being "affiliated with X political party". Racism has no political party. Again, failure to read what you're responding to. It's been a pattern throughout.

• "Stand by" was directly in response to an invitation for him to disavow the Proud Boys. Don't try to suggest "nobody knew what he meant by that". It was a direct response to a specific, and the Proud Boys themselves picked up on it immediately. David Dooky fits in here too.

• Finally, after I took pains to point out how none of this is about politics but about personal character, you AGAIN tried to shift it right back to politics and political parties and "their side". This is all sailing right over your head, and I believe that's intentional on your part. You're not reading.

Oh and I don't listen to talk radio, so once again ass-umptions pulled out of your wherever. But once AGAIN --- trying to shift the idea of "cult" into the idea of "politics".

CULT - POLITICS ... KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

You left out the crucial word "her" --- "bleeding from HER wherever". Rump has a history with women and blood. A severe hangup. See also "bleeding badly from a facelift

Yeah, her. He was talking to a woman. Doesn't mean he was referring to her vagina. Again, we don't KNOW what he meant. You seem to not want to give any credence to the possibility that maybe he was just being 'general'. You have to believe that he could only have been talking about her vagina....why? There was absolutely no context in his statement, either way.

I'm willing to admit he could have been being lewd, but you are not willing to conceive that maybe he wasnt. THAT is cult like behavior. Being so engrossed to one idea that you cannot fathom that it could be any other way.

Again you can't seem to find your shift key, either that or are just not familiar with English, where we capitalize proper nouns. That's why it's not clear when you post, "not wanting democratic control to be attained" whether you actually mean, "not wanting Democratic control to be attained", because those two phrases mean entirely different things. As it stands it makes no sense

Again, I'm posting from my phone. Whatever Google or Samsung decides to capitalize...thats on them. Im just typing.

I apologize, I didn't know democrat had a different meaning than Democrat. In the phrase "...democratic control...." I was speaking simply of not having the democrats gain control of the white house.

Speaking of "democrats" presumably meaning "Democrats" --- "I'm sure there are plenty of racists who are democrat [sic]" is not a comparator to what I just wrote, which was about racists being "on the right", not being "affiliated with X political party". Racism has no political party. Again, failure to read what you're responding to. It's been a pattern throughout

Ok, I guess I don't get it then. You said "its akin to when I say that not all those on "the right are racist, but those who are racist are on the right". I agree that not everyone on the right are racist and not everyone on the left are racist, but there are racist in both parties.

I know racism has no political party, but that doesn't stop the left from throwing that term at the right constantly. I hear it every single day how "Republicans are the party of racists". My point was, perhaps the democrats should do some self reflection.

"Stand by" was directly in response to an invitation for him to disavow the Proud Boys. Don't try to suggest "nobody knew what he meant by that". It was a direct response to a specific, and the Proud Boys themselves picked up on it immediately. David Dooky fits in here too

So, trump makes a comment and the proud boys make a affirmation of that comment. So, that means the only explanation is that trump was signaling to the proud boys to "stand by and wait for further instructions". There is no other explanation but that? Even though, pretty much as long as they have been around, people on the left have called the proud boys a radical, right wing, alt right, racist, violent group. Knowing that, its not possible that they heard that from Trump and took it upon themselves to acknowledge?

Again, I'm not saying thats not a possibility, but, just like with Megan Kelly, all you can do is assume, because just like Megan Kelly, there was no context added to his statement.

I wouldn't think, if trump was trying to signal to a radical violent alt right group, that he wouldnt do it on national television. What does he gain by doing something like that? A move like that could only serve to hurt him. With everything trump has been accused of, he doesn't need conspiring with a racist, alt right, neo nazi, fascist, anti Semitic, zealot, cult, hate group to be on his resume..

Finally, after I took pains to point out how none of this is about politics but about personal character, you AGAIN tried to shift it right back to politics and political parties and "their side". This is all sailing right over your head, and I believe that's intentional on your part. You're not reading

Oooh kay, let's take this back all the way to the beginning.

Under a thread titled:

TRUMPERS ARE THREATENING VIOLENCE.

You posted:

The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on

I understand that you say its not about politics, its about personal character. Then, you go on to a list of things that were alleged in the media to be done by "trump supporters", in other words "right wingers".

My response to your post was:

Gracie said:

Oh boo hoo. I suppose the left has been nothing but sweet and tolerant for the past 4 years, right?




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"The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

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This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.

Its not a cult. People are just as loyal to trump as there are people loyal to Biden. I don't understand how people can put labels only on one side, when the other side are just as much loyal to their guy.


Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.

I've heard people say this a few times. Where is the article where it said they were going to execute her? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I've seen articles, but they don't mention anything about execution.


"Very fine people".

Has been debunked many times. Please don't just look at the sound byte that left wing media gives to you. Look at everything trump said. You know, when he said that, he wasn't talking about the white supremacists when he said "very fine people" because he goes on to exclude them and said they should be condemned. Why do all the left wingers leave that part out?


"Stand by".

Nobody really knows what he meant by that. Sure, the left wing talk hosts used it to gin up a lot of rhetoric and fear mongering, but nobody really knows what he meant.

"Beat the crap out of 'em".

I give ya this one. He shouldn't have said it, but he was just referring to people disrupting his campaign speech.


Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

If this is referring to the biden bus drama, wasn't it already proven that it was a vehicle of a left wingers who was at fault?

Man oh man. I've said it before, here on this very forum, and ill say it again. Trump was right about one thing for sure, the media is the enemy of the people.

Look at where we are at, so polarized and ready to be at each others throats, and why? Because of media. We live in echo chambers and get fed from the hours of rhetoric each and every day. We choose to see only one side, and that side is telling us that the other side are hateful and hideous people.

Media = programming. When you listen to hateful rhetoric for too long, it causes you to become hateful. Personally, im having to take a step back from listening to left wing talk shows, I found that by listening to their hateful rhetoric, and constant attacks on right wingers every day, with their vile language, and constant accusations, it started to make me become very jaded. I'm someone who leans libertarian right, but I listen to talk shows on both sides, just to hear what the other side is saying.

After months of listening to people like michaelangelo signorile, who's show is nothing but hate speech against the right, and accusations and constantly berating and down talking Republicans, i found myself becoming hateful myself, not against the right, but against the left, and all the hate that they were spouting.

Point is, if you continually feed off of that sort of thing, you will become part of it. Its just psychological. If you listen to something long enough, you become more and more affected by it.

I think the media controls us more than some want to admit. If you think of it, everything you know about what is going on in the world comes from a media outlet. If you listen to fox, then that news is going to have a right leaning spin. If you listen to cnn or msnbc, then its going to have a left leaning spin, but you'll never get the unslanted truth.

To me, this is a problem, because this means media outlets have way too much power to be able to influence.

Just look at FB and Twitter now, and YouTube. They have become so influential, they are having to have hearings on their efforts to silence opposing views, and these are not even "news" organizations, but, they can be every bit as influential as fox and cnn, even more so, since a lot of people get their news and stories from people who post to these sites.

Anyway, I've blathered on too long. Its just sad when you have video of someone saying something, and people would rather believe the echo chamber spun version of it.

I admit, I went off on a tangent here, but, the initial part of my post was addressed at the things that you alleged. My point was to refute those things by pointing out inaccuracies, and bogus claims by left wing media, which sent me on a tirade about media.....sorry about that lol.

Then YOUUUUU *finger point* went on about all this other stuff. Honestly, I wasn't meaning for it to go this deep. I was really just trying to refute your arguments.

My bad!

You're a real piece of work. You make these massive wrongheaded conflations, insert terms that were never there, you get told about them, then you do them AGAIN, then you get told about them AGAIN, then you do them again AGAIN.

It appears your strategy here is to bury the original point, about the Cult --- in a mountain of clueless verbage. So I'm just going to pick some of the low-hanging fruit, since it's not worth the work to school a student who CAN'T READ.

Number one.

Yeah, her. He was talking to a woman. Doesn't mean he was referring to her vagina. Again, we don't KNOW what he meant. You seem to not want to give any credence to the possibility that maybe he was just being 'general'. You have to believe that he could only have been talking about her vagina....why? There was absolutely no context in his statement, either way.

BULLSHIT. Maybe you're unfamiliar with how menstruation works but Rump is not. He's got a history of denigrating women and a blood hangup to go with it. AND THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THIS yet here you are trying to play "I'm too stupid". "Blood" is an attack, via ancient and ignorant culture derived from ancient patriarchy, to (he thinks) demean and devalue his adversary when that adversary is female. Kelly had been asking pointed questions, about exactly that, and that's what he was referring to with that particular "blood" thing. If you don't know all this then you're not even qualified to be in this discussion.

I'm willing to admit he could have been being lewd, but you are not willing to conceive that maybe he wasnt. THAT is cult like behavior.

BULLSHIT. Cultism involves a blind following of some yahoo who purports to be a god. What I'm doing is the exact opposite of that. It's calling out the cult FOR BEING a cult. Apparently you have no clue even what the term "cult" means, so why are you even engaging? What you're actually doing is bending over backward to white-knight for the cult god by disregarding evidence right in front of your face. Nobody's buying it. And the fact remains, as I already pointed out, you deliberately left out the gender identifier "her" in the quote, as part of that white-knight flailing attempt. You're not fooling ANYBODY.

Again, I'm posting from my phone. Whatever Google or Samsung decides to capitalize...thats on them. Im just typing.

It's great to know all this means so much to you that you post from your phone (/sarcasm) but I have yet to see a phone that can't post upper and lower cases where they belong, so long as the user controls it. Maybe you're not only not reading my posts, but also not even reading your own. So now you want to blame Google and Samsung? That's pathetic.

I apologize, I didn't know democrat had a different meaning than Democrat. In the phrase "...democratic control...." I was speaking simply of not having the democrats gain control of the white house.

A "democrat" is a person who believes in democracy. A "Democrat" is a member of a specific political party. I figured you meant the latter but you couldn't be bothered to simply spell it right.

Ok, I guess I don't get it then. You said "its akin to when I say that not all those on "the right are racist, but those who are racist are on the right". I agree that not everyone on the right are racist and not everyone on the left are racist, but there are racist in both parties.

And there you just did it again AGAIN. You actually don't see, even though you quoted it yourself, that I said "on the right" and you then translated that to "parties". THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME THING.



You're not reading a damn thing here. Just going

I know racism has no political party, but that doesn't stop the left from throwing that term at the right constantly. I hear it every single day how "Republicans are the party of racists". My point was, perhaps the democrats should do some self reflection.

You mean "Democrats'? Or "democrats"? In either case what the hell does that have to do with me?
I have little patience for blanket generalizations, so that's a non-starter.

I wouldn't think, if trump was trying to signal to a radical violent alt right group, that he wouldnt do it on national television. What does he gain by doing something like that? A move like that could only serve to hurt him. With everything trump has been accused of, he doesn't need conspiring with a racist, alt right, neo nazi, fascist, anti Semitic, zealot, cult, hate group to be on his resume..

Of course he would. It's a wide audience. What does he gain? He gains, as you just confirmed, the attention and obedience of the Proud Boys, and their ilk. He gains his "army" of Tiki torchers, "very fine people", David Dookies and hyper-nutcases storming state capitals with guns and plotting to kidnap and execute governors (that's plural). And he uses Tweeter the same way to stir that up. You'll notice he never did take the invitation to condemn them, because he's afraid to. As one of the "very fine people" warned him in a previous infamous event:

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That was sent immediately following Charlottesville after Rump actually DID signal a condemnation of what he later called "very fine people" in that spontaneous press conference where he started whining about his poor misunderstood racist base in an appalling dog whistle apology to them. That's right, Rump mended his ways and did an about-face -- because David Dooky shamed him into it. And Rump obeyed.

Rump needs these assholes for his imaginary guerilla army, the one that's going to kidnap and execute governors, drive cars into people, start civil wars, storm state capitals and somehow jerk off his pipe dream of hanging on to the White House forever, elections or no elections. THAT is why he does it.

I understand that you say its not about politics, its about personal character. Then, you go on to a list of things that were alleged in the media to be done by "trump supporters", in other words "right wingers".

Once AGAIN AGAIN, there you go taking what WAS -- the entity "Rump supporters", or as I call them "the cult" -------------- and immediately morphing into something you WISH it was. "right wingers". NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "RIGHT WINGERS". Why do you INSIST on this dishonesty? You don't get to just switch terms from what you can't handle to what you wish the term had been. As long as you keep pulling that, you're not engaged in this question at all. You're doing everything you can to avoid it. It would appear you're conceding that I'm right about "cult" and in exchange you want to have a different argument instead. I don't.

Don't even bother to continue this. You're not listening and you're wasting my time.

Dayum. we are on opposite sides of the proverbial fence...but I did make some nice chamomille tea. Wanna share with me?

 

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Oh boo hoo. I suppose the left has been nothing but sweet and tolerant for the past 4 years, right?

"The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.

Its not a cult. People are just as loyal to trump as there are people loyal to Biden. I don't understand how people can put labels only on one side, when the other side are just as much loyal to their guy.

Whelp --- when you have obedient cult followers scrambling all over themselves to defend their orange messiach at the slightest hint of any criticism at all right down to frickin' JOKES, when you have obsequious bootlickers parroting the orange messiach's easily-debunked denialist bullshit theories IN SPITE OF the numbers and facts right in front of them ----- that's an emotional investment. An emotional investment at a level that outright denies realities. And when you're looking at that, you is looking at a cult, pure and simple. You're in Jim Jones territory. For fuck's sake you have these lemmings right here on this board, threatening their fellow citizens with violence, for no reason any more tangible than that Orange Crash said so. That is in fact what this thread is ABOUT.

And yet the poster I quoted actually tried to hide it behind "politics". So I called her on it.

Matter of fact you just committed the same gaffe "why do left-wingers...". Intentional blindness. More than a few of y'all are always desperate to try to spin all this into some kind of "political" situation, presumably because you can't handle it on its real basis.

From our temporal perspective we look back at the Germany of the 1930s and ask, "how could a nation blindly go along with that?". Whelp, that's the same thing the world of tomorrow will be asking --- indeed the rest of the world is already asking it.

I'll be damned if I can come up with an answer.

Whelp --- when you have obedient cult followers scrambling all over themselves to defend their orange messiach at the slightest hint of any criticism at all right down to frickin' JOKES, when you have obsequious bootlickers parroting the orange messiach's easily-debunked denialist bullshit theories IN SPITE OF the numbers and facts right in front of them ----- that's an emotional investment. An emotional investment at a level that outright denies realities. And when you're looking at that, you is looking at a cult, pure and simple.

Interesting, because the same thing applies to biden and his supporters. There are things that have come out about biden, things that have some evidence, or at least some suspicious looking information, and the left denies and defends it to their very core.

You call right wingers cultists for the very same thing

This is the point where I went right to sleep, since you're still hung up on this "politics/left-right" malarkey. Which shows me that you're not even reading the post you quote, so why should I bother.

But say speaking of cult followers, since we both know that proper names are capitalized in English, how is it the only time you do that is on the name "Trump"?

This is the point where I went right to sleep, since you're still hung up on this "politics/left-right" malarkey. Which shows me that you're not even reading the post you quote, so why should I bother

Isn't that what this thread is about? The OP wanted to call out the rights [sic call for violence

See what I mean? You just did it AGAIN. It's like this all sails right over your head. Or you duck.

Read the thread title and explain to me where it says anything about "the right".

And there we are, right back to "cult". Which is short for "cult of personality". "The right" and "the left" are not personalities. GET IT?

Thread title:

"Trumpers are threatening violence"

That signifies "the right" to me.

See, that's your problem right there. Conflating "politics" and "personalities". Cult followers don't equate to a political position. And perhaps you've been "away" when masses of those on "the right" mobilized to resist and replace Rump, all along. The George Wills, the Bushes, the Lincoln Project?

Ok, sure, I understand that not all people on the right follow trump, but pretty much all people who follow trump are on "the right". Perhaps when i wrote my post. I should have replaced "the right" and "the left" with "trump followers" and "biden followers".

Indeed, as the thread started originally. Because a cult follower is IN NO WAY the same as "the right" or "the left". It isn't even political at all --- it's PERSONAL. Always has been. It's about character, not 'politics'.

And that's what this conflict has always been --- PERSONAL. Rump clearly has no politics. He'll say whatever makes the minions froth at the mouth and then turn around and deny he just said that. His only concern is "ME ME ME AND DID I MENTION ME" and manipulating other poor saps into fellating his ego even further, e.g. "beat the crap out of 'em", e.g. "stand back and stand by" e.g. "very fine people" e.g. egging yahoos to storm their state capitals, e.g. pepperspraying a peaceful assembly so he can take a picture holding a bible upside down in front of a church where he wasn't welcome anyway.. Notice that he NEVER involves himself directly in ANY of this. He sprayed no pepper himself, he beat the crap out of nobody himself, he drove no cars into people himself, he stormed no Lansings himself. Cult followers did all of that. Because they hear and obey. He does it because it gets him off.

THAT IS A CULT, plain and simple.

Btw when you say "not all people on the right follow trump, but pretty much all people who follow trump are on "the right"', it's akin to when i point out "not all of those on "the right" are racists, but those who are racists are on "the right'". In both cases, true but not relevant as causation.

When the "biden supporters" call trump followers "a cult", they are referring to the definition of a cult, which is misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

Correct, and that's putting it mildly. You left out that such a following will outright deny reality and descend into violence for that cult. Call it the way it is. And it's not "biden [sic] supporters" using this obvious description --- this has been well known for FIVE YEARS, long before there was a "biden [sic]" in the picture. The cult goes all the way back to the "knock the hell" daze.

Even if you are talking cult if personality, its essentially the same thing. Again, I was pointing out, as in your post, when you called them a cult, that the "biden supporters" do the exact same thing.

Uh... really.

Show us where "Biden supporters" suckerpunched protesters at a Biden event. Show us where they strapped on guns and stormed their state capitals and/or threatened to kidnap and execute governors. Show us where they stand idly by while Biden spews a torrent of made-up bullshit and mind-numbingly murmur "yes master, we hear and obey". Show us where Biden sends a torrent of whiny tweets at some critic whereupon his mysterious 'cult followers' fall all over themselves to parrot the same thing on command, even oozing onto this board to try to tell us with a straight fact that no Rump was not mocking that reporter's congenital disability. Obviously it's NOT AT ALL the same thing.

Don't sit here and peddle hallucinations. We know better. And AGAIN all this shitflinging was going on WAY before Biden was even in the picture, way before the primaries. It's been going on --- again---- for FIVE YEARS.

*NONE* of this is about "biden [sic]", desperately as you cultists try to make it that way. It's about Rump and it's always been about Rump, because that's where the cult is.

See, that's your problem right there. Conflating "politics" and "personalities". Cult followers don't equate to a political position. And perhaps you've been "away" when masses of those on "the right" mobilized to resist and replace Rump, all along. The George Wills, the Bushes, the Lincoln Project

George will? Lincoln project? Never trumpers?

I disagree with your assertion that people follow trump because of who he is. They follow him because he wasnt Hillary Clinton. Had anyone else won in 2016 from the republican party, "the right" would be following them. Its not about trump per se as much as it is about not wanting democratic control to be attained.

Sure, there are those who like his crass style, his unconventional demeanor. Some people were looking for anyone who wasn't just like all the others.....establishment politicians. They wanted someone who was rough around the edges, but again, if ANYONE else from the republican party had won in 2016, they would have gladly followed them as well.

And that's what this conflict has always been --- PERSONAL. Rump clearly has no politics. He'll say whatever makes the minions froth at the mouth and then turn around and deny he just said that. His only concern is "ME ME ME AND DID I MENTION ME" and manipulating other poor saps into fellating his ego even further

Sure, ill agree that trump is a bit narsaccistic, but every president likes to tout their achievements. Most of them are not as boisterous as trump is about it, ill give you that, but they all pat themselves on the back.

"beat the crap out of 'em

I agree, it was not right of him to incite that.

"stand back and stand by

Again, as I've stated already, nobody knows what that meant. The left wing media did alot of assuming (conveniently), because that is what they wanted to put into the heads of their viewers and listeners.

Trump could have just fumbled the words, who knows. We shouldn't just assume what's going on in his head. Its the same during the 2016 debate when he said "blood coming from..wherever". The left had a field day with that...though they had no clue what he meant. They just fabricated a narrative and pushed it.

Did anyone stop to think...hmm, maybe he just ran out of ideas after saying "nose and eyes". Maybe he didn't want to pursue that statement any further and just wanted to end it.

Point is, we don't know what he meant in either instance.

very fine people

Again, already explained. Watch the whole clip for proper context.

egging yahoos to storm their state capitals

Ok, I must have missed that. Point me to a link where trump instructs people to storm the calitals.

pepperspraying a peaceful assembly so he can take a picture holding a bible upside down in front of a church where he wasn't welcome anyway

Were the protesters in an area where the president was going to be? I'm not saying what he did was right, but, if potus was coming through and there were protesters in the way, then secret service is going to clear a path.

Notice that he NEVER involves himself directly in ANY of this. He sprayed no pepper himself, he beat the crap out of nobody himself, he drove no cars into people himself, he stormed no Lansings himself. Cult followers did all of that. Because they hear and obey.He does it because it gets him off.

Yeah, just like Maxine waters didn't go out and form a crowd and get in the faces of people, but she called for it.

Just like kamala Harris when she said the riots are not going to stop...but she didn't actually get out there and riot.

it's akin to when i point out "not all of those on "the right" are racists, but those who are racists are on "the right'"

Thats both incorrect and unproveable. Just because left wing media likes to paint all Republicans as racist (and they do), doesn't mean any of it is true. Also, im sure there are plenty of racists who are democrats, the only difference is, you don't have media types talking about it 24/7.

Racism exists, we know that, but you can't pat yourself on the back and claim moral superiority, because the left has just as much a problem with being racist.

Correct, and that's putting it mildly. You left out that such a following will outright deny reality and descend into violence for that cult

Both sides are at fault for committing violence.

Show us where "Biden supporters" suckerpunched protesters at a Biden event

Notice if trump supporters show up to biden events, seems like they generally protest outside and don't really go in to cause a scene inside the event. However, we see that biden supporters like to disrupt trump events and cause problems. We've seen this multiple times, and most recently in Washington. Again, as I've pointed out.

Show us where they strapped on guns and stormed their state capitals and/or threatened to kidnap and execute governors

Who stormed the capitals? Where did anyone threaten to execute Whitmer?

Show us where they stand idly by while Biden spews a torrent of made-up bullshit and mind-numbingly murmur "yes master, we hear and obey"

I've never seen anything like that. Yes, supporters are going to cheer for their candidate, just as bidens do, but "hear and obey"? I think that is an image you have in your head, likely influenced by a left wing talk show host.

Show us where Biden sends a torrent of whiny tweets at some critic whereupon his mysterious 'cult followers' fall all over themselves to parrot the same thing on command

I've never been a fan of trump being able to tweet whatever he wants. I've said before, he should probably be moderated on his tweeting. Having said that, "parroting" is nothing new, both sides do it.

even oozing onto this board to try to tell us with a straight fact that no Rump was not mocking that reporter's congenital disability

I admit, that looks bad, and I agree, he shouldn't have done it.

NONE* of this is about "biden [sic]", desperately as you cultists try to make it that way. It's about Rump and it's always been about Rump, because that's where the cult

Again, I disagree with the "cult" assessment. Each side has their fanatics, but overall, its just people cheering their candidate.

I really don't know how we got so long winded on this topic. You made a post, I disputed it, and then you went way off on other things.

My point was in replying to your post, that there is violence on both sides, from what I've seen, those on the left seem to be a bit more prone and active about their violence, but both sides are guilty.


You made a list of things you claimed trump supporters did, and called them a cult. I disagree that they are a cult, for reasons already explained, and I also showed that, people on the left were also guilty of spreading hate and violence .

Thats really all I was trying to say.

You're an extremely careless reader. EVERYTHING I've posted on this exchange is specifically about what you specifically questioned, the idea of a Cult. I don't have the time to pick it apart right now but here are the highlights to come:

• You left out the crucial word "her" --- "bleeding from HER wherever". Rump has a history with women and blood. A severe hangup. See also "bleeding badly from a facelift".

• Again you can't seem to find your shift key, either that or are just not familiar with English, where we capitalize proper nouns. That's why it's not clear when you post, "not wanting democratic control to be attained" whether you actually mean, "not wanting Democratic control to be attained", because those two phrases mean entirely different things. As it stands it makes no sense.

• Speaking of "democrats" presumably meaning "Democrats" --- "I'm sure there are plenty of racists who are democrat [sic]" is not a comparator to what I just wrote, which was about racists being "on the right", not being "affiliated with X political party". Racism has no political party. Again, failure to read what you're responding to. It's been a pattern throughout.

• "Stand by" was directly in response to an invitation for him to disavow the Proud Boys. Don't try to suggest "nobody knew what he meant by that". It was a direct response to a specific, and the Proud Boys themselves picked up on it immediately. David Dooky fits in here too.

• Finally, after I took pains to point out how none of this is about politics but about personal character, you AGAIN tried to shift it right back to politics and political parties and "their side". This is all sailing right over your head, and I believe that's intentional on your part. You're not reading.

Oh and I don't listen to talk radio, so once again ass-umptions pulled out of your wherever. But once AGAIN --- trying to shift the idea of "cult" into the idea of "politics".

CULT - POLITICS ... KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

You left out the crucial word "her" --- "bleeding from HER wherever". Rump has a history with women and blood. A severe hangup. See also "bleeding badly from a facelift

Yeah, her. He was talking to a woman. Doesn't mean he was referring to her vagina. Again, we don't KNOW what he meant. You seem to not want to give any credence to the possibility that maybe he was just being 'general'. You have to believe that he could only have been talking about her vagina....why? There was absolutely no context in his statement, either way.

I'm willing to admit he could have been being lewd, but you are not willing to conceive that maybe he wasnt. THAT is cult like behavior. Being so engrossed to one idea that you cannot fathom that it could be any other way.

Again you can't seem to find your shift key, either that or are just not familiar with English, where we capitalize proper nouns. That's why it's not clear when you post, "not wanting democratic control to be attained" whether you actually mean, "not wanting Democratic control to be attained", because those two phrases mean entirely different things. As it stands it makes no sense

Again, I'm posting from my phone. Whatever Google or Samsung decides to capitalize...thats on them. Im just typing.

I apologize, I didn't know democrat had a different meaning than Democrat. In the phrase "...democratic control...." I was speaking simply of not having the democrats gain control of the white house.

Speaking of "democrats" presumably meaning "Democrats" --- "I'm sure there are plenty of racists who are democrat [sic]" is not a comparator to what I just wrote, which was about racists being "on the right", not being "affiliated with X political party". Racism has no political party. Again, failure to read what you're responding to. It's been a pattern throughout

Ok, I guess I don't get it then. You said "its akin to when I say that not all those on "the right are racist, but those who are racist are on the right". I agree that not everyone on the right are racist and not everyone on the left are racist, but there are racist in both parties.

I know racism has no political party, but that doesn't stop the left from throwing that term at the right constantly. I hear it every single day how "Republicans are the party of racists". My point was, perhaps the democrats should do some self reflection.

"Stand by" was directly in response to an invitation for him to disavow the Proud Boys. Don't try to suggest "nobody knew what he meant by that". It was a direct response to a specific, and the Proud Boys themselves picked up on it immediately. David Dooky fits in here too

So, trump makes a comment and the proud boys make a affirmation of that comment. So, that means the only explanation is that trump was signaling to the proud boys to "stand by and wait for further instructions". There is no other explanation but that? Even though, pretty much as long as they have been around, people on the left have called the proud boys a radical, right wing, alt right, racist, violent group. Knowing that, its not possible that they heard that from Trump and took it upon themselves to acknowledge?

Again, I'm not saying thats not a possibility, but, just like with Megan Kelly, all you can do is assume, because just like Megan Kelly, there was no context added to his statement.

I wouldn't think, if trump was trying to signal to a radical violent alt right group, that he wouldnt do it on national television. What does he gain by doing something like that? A move like that could only serve to hurt him. With everything trump has been accused of, he doesn't need conspiring with a racist, alt right, neo nazi, fascist, anti Semitic, zealot, cult, hate group to be on his resume..

Finally, after I took pains to point out how none of this is about politics but about personal character, you AGAIN tried to shift it right back to politics and political parties and "their side". This is all sailing right over your head, and I believe that's intentional on your part. You're not reading

Oooh kay, let's take this back all the way to the beginning.

Under a thread titled:

TRUMPERS ARE THREATENING VIOLENCE.

You posted:

The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on

I understand that you say its not about politics, its about personal character. Then, you go on to a list of things that were alleged in the media to be done by "trump supporters", in other words "right wingers".

My response to your post was:

Gracie said:

Oh boo hoo. I suppose the left has been nothing but sweet and tolerant for the past 4 years, right?




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"The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

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This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.

Its not a cult. People are just as loyal to trump as there are people loyal to Biden. I don't understand how people can put labels only on one side, when the other side are just as much loyal to their guy.


Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.

I've heard people say this a few times. Where is the article where it said they were going to execute her? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I've seen articles, but they don't mention anything about execution.


"Very fine people".

Has been debunked many times. Please don't just look at the sound byte that left wing media gives to you. Look at everything trump said. You know, when he said that, he wasn't talking about the white supremacists when he said "very fine people" because he goes on to exclude them and said they should be condemned. Why do all the left wingers leave that part out?


"Stand by".

Nobody really knows what he meant by that. Sure, the left wing talk hosts used it to gin up a lot of rhetoric and fear mongering, but nobody really knows what he meant.

"Beat the crap out of 'em".

I give ya this one. He shouldn't have said it, but he was just referring to people disrupting his campaign speech.


Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

If this is referring to the biden bus drama, wasn't it already proven that it was a vehicle of a left wingers who was at fault?

Man oh man. I've said it before, here on this very forum, and ill say it again. Trump was right about one thing for sure, the media is the enemy of the people.

Look at where we are at, so polarized and ready to be at each others throats, and why? Because of media. We live in echo chambers and get fed from the hours of rhetoric each and every day. We choose to see only one side, and that side is telling us that the other side are hateful and hideous people.

Media = programming. When you listen to hateful rhetoric for too long, it causes you to become hateful. Personally, im having to take a step back from listening to left wing talk shows, I found that by listening to their hateful rhetoric, and constant attacks on right wingers every day, with their vile language, and constant accusations, it started to make me become very jaded. I'm someone who leans libertarian right, but I listen to talk shows on both sides, just to hear what the other side is saying.

After months of listening to people like michaelangelo signorile, who's show is nothing but hate speech against the right, and accusations and constantly berating and down talking Republicans, i found myself becoming hateful myself, not against the right, but against the left, and all the hate that they were spouting.

Point is, if you continually feed off of that sort of thing, you will become part of it. Its just psychological. If you listen to something long enough, you become more and more affected by it.

I think the media controls us more than some want to admit. If you think of it, everything you know about what is going on in the world comes from a media outlet. If you listen to fox, then that news is going to have a right leaning spin. If you listen to cnn or msnbc, then its going to have a left leaning spin, but you'll never get the unslanted truth.

To me, this is a problem, because this means media outlets have way too much power to be able to influence.

Just look at FB and Twitter now, and YouTube. They have become so influential, they are having to have hearings on their efforts to silence opposing views, and these are not even "news" organizations, but, they can be every bit as influential as fox and cnn, even more so, since a lot of people get their news and stories from people who post to these sites.

Anyway, I've blathered on too long. Its just sad when you have video of someone saying something, and people would rather believe the echo chamber spun version of it.

I admit, I went off on a tangent here, but, the initial part of my post was addressed at the things that you alleged. My point was to refute those things by pointing out inaccuracies, and bogus claims by left wing media, which sent me on a tirade about media.....sorry about that lol.

Then YOUUUUU *finger point* went on about all this other stuff. Honestly, I wasn't meaning for it to go this deep. I was really just trying to refute your arguments.

My bad!

You're a real piece of work. You make these massive wrongheaded conflations, insert terms that were never there, you get told about them, then you do them AGAIN, then you get told about them AGAIN, then you do them again AGAIN.

It appears your strategy here is to bury the original point, about the Cult --- in a mountain of clueless verbage. So I'm just going to pick some of the low-hanging fruit, since it's not worth the work to school a student who CAN'T READ.

Number one.

Yeah, her. He was talking to a woman. Doesn't mean he was referring to her vagina. Again, we don't KNOW what he meant. You seem to not want to give any credence to the possibility that maybe he was just being 'general'. You have to believe that he could only have been talking about her vagina....why? There was absolutely no context in his statement, either way.

BULLSHIT. Maybe you're unfamiliar with how menstruation works but Rump is not. He's got a history of denigrating women and a blood hangup to go with it. AND THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THIS yet here you are trying to play "I'm too stupid". "Blood" is an attack, via ancient and ignorant culture derived from ancient patriarchy, to (he thinks) demean and devalue his adversary when that adversary is female. Kelly had been asking pointed questions, about exactly that, and that's what he was referring to with that particular "blood" thing. If you don't know all this then you're not even qualified to be in this discussion.

I'm willing to admit he could have been being lewd, but you are not willing to conceive that maybe he wasnt. THAT is cult like behavior.

BULLSHIT. Cultism involves a blind following of some yahoo who purports to be a god. What I'm doing is the exact opposite of that. It's calling out the cult FOR BEING a cult. Apparently you have no clue even what the term "cult" means, so why are you even engaging? What you're actually doing is bending over backward to white-knight for the cult god by disregarding evidence right in front of your face. Nobody's buying it. And the fact remains, as I already pointed out, you deliberately left out the gender identifier "her" in the quote, as part of that white-knight flailing attempt. You're not fooling ANYBODY.

Again, I'm posting from my phone. Whatever Google or Samsung decides to capitalize...thats on them. Im just typing.

It's great to know all this means so much to you that you post from your phone (/sarcasm) but I have yet to see a phone that can't post upper and lower cases where they belong, so long as the user controls it. Maybe you're not only not reading my posts, but also not even reading your own. So now you want to blame Google and Samsung? That's pathetic.

I apologize, I didn't know democrat had a different meaning than Democrat. In the phrase "...democratic control...." I was speaking simply of not having the democrats gain control of the white house.

A "democrat" is a person who believes in democracy. A "Democrat" is a member of a specific political party. I figured you meant the latter but you couldn't be bothered to simply spell it right.

Ok, I guess I don't get it then. You said "its akin to when I say that not all those on "the right are racist, but those who are racist are on the right". I agree that not everyone on the right are racist and not everyone on the left are racist, but there are racist in both parties.

And there you just did it again AGAIN. You actually don't see, even though you quoted it yourself, that I said "on the right" and you then translated that to "parties". THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME THING.



You're not reading a damn thing here. Just going

I know racism has no political party, but that doesn't stop the left from throwing that term at the right constantly. I hear it every single day how "Republicans are the party of racists". My point was, perhaps the democrats should do some self reflection.

You mean "Democrats'? Or "democrats"? In either case what the hell does that have to do with me?
I have little patience for blanket generalizations, so that's a non-starter.

I wouldn't think, if trump was trying to signal to a radical violent alt right group, that he wouldnt do it on national television. What does he gain by doing something like that? A move like that could only serve to hurt him. With everything trump has been accused of, he doesn't need conspiring with a racist, alt right, neo nazi, fascist, anti Semitic, zealot, cult, hate group to be on his resume..

Of course he would. It's a wide audience. What does he gain? He gains, as you just confirmed, the attention and obedience of the Proud Boys, and their ilk. He gains his "army" of Tiki torchers, "very fine people", David Dookies and hyper-nutcases storming state capitals with guns and plotting to kidnap and execute governors (that's plural). And he uses Tweeter the same way to stir that up. You'll notice he never did take the invitation to condemn them, because he's afraid to. As one of the "very fine people" warned him in a previous infamous event:

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That was sent immediately following Charlottesville after Rump actually DID signal a condemnation of what he later called "very fine people" in that spontaneous press conference where he started whining about his poor misunderstood racist base in an appalling dog whistle apology to them. That's right, Rump mended his ways and did an about-face -- because David Dooky shamed him into it. And Rump obeyed.

Rump needs these assholes for his imaginary guerilla army, the one that's going to kidnap and execute governors, drive cars into people, start civil wars, storm state capitals and somehow jerk off his pipe dream of hanging on to the White House forever, elections or no elections. THAT is why he does it.

I understand that you say its not about politics, its about personal character. Then, you go on to a list of things that were alleged in the media to be done by "trump supporters", in other words "right wingers".

Once AGAIN AGAIN, there you go taking what WAS -- the entity "Rump supporters", or as I call them "the cult" -------------- and immediately morphing into something you WISH it was. "right wingers". NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "RIGHT WINGERS". Why do you INSIST on this dishonesty? You don't get to just switch terms from what you can't handle to what you wish the term had been. As long as you keep pulling that, you're not engaged in this question at all. You're doing everything you can to avoid it. It would appear you're conceding that I'm right about "cult" and in exchange you want to have a different argument instead. I don't.

Don't even bother to continue this. You're not listening and you're wasting my time.

Dayum. we are on opposite sides of the proverbial fence...but I did make some nice chamomille tea. Wanna share with me?

What a nice gesture. As I've said before you have a good heart and I never had any doubt about that.

I'll share in spirit. TBH Chamomile never did much for me. I like Darjeeling for a black tea and peach for a flavor, but especially a nice chai.

 

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They're targeting public officials across the nation as well as "leftists" in general.

We have even seen it on this very forum,..today

And yet they accuse the lefties of violence.
They are the poster children for hypocrisy.
These are also men with very small dicks who can't get a woman to look at them twice.

Trump calls protesters who carried guns into the Michigan Capitol 'very good people' and says the governor should 'make a deal' with them

Trump calls protesters who carried guns into the Michigan Capitol 'very good people' and says the governor should 'make a deal' with them

"These are very good people, but they are angry," Trump said of militia members who brought guns into the Capitol. "They want their lives back again, safely!"

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THANK GOD THEIR LIMP-DICKED, LAME DUCK, IMPOTENT ORANGE JESUS WILL BE GONE IN TWO MONTHS.


Trump would be NOWHERE without poor ignorant redneck white trash.
This stupid woman doesn't realize he wouldn't allow her within a mile of one of his hotels if she tried to check in.

 

[Gracie]

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[JusticeHammer]

Oh boo hoo. I suppose the left has been nothing but sweet and tolerant for the past 4 years, right?

"The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.

Its not a cult. People are just as loyal to trump as there are people loyal to Biden. I don't understand how people can put labels only on one side, when the other side are just as much loyal to their guy.

Whelp --- when you have obedient cult followers scrambling all over themselves to defend their orange messiach at the slightest hint of any criticism at all right down to frickin' JOKES, when you have obsequious bootlickers parroting the orange messiach's easily-debunked denialist bullshit theories IN SPITE OF the numbers and facts right in front of them ----- that's an emotional investment. An emotional investment at a level that outright denies realities. And when you're looking at that, you is looking at a cult, pure and simple. You're in Jim Jones territory. For fuck's sake you have these lemmings right here on this board, threatening their fellow citizens with violence, for no reason any more tangible than that Orange Crash said so. That is in fact what this thread is ABOUT.

And yet the poster I quoted actually tried to hide it behind "politics". So I called her on it.

Matter of fact you just committed the same gaffe "why do left-wingers...". Intentional blindness. More than a few of y'all are always desperate to try to spin all this into some kind of "political" situation, presumably because you can't handle it on its real basis.

From our temporal perspective we look back at the Germany of the 1930s and ask, "how could a nation blindly go along with that?". Whelp, that's the same thing the world of tomorrow will be asking --- indeed the rest of the world is already asking it.

I'll be damned if I can come up with an answer.

Whelp --- when you have obedient cult followers scrambling all over themselves to defend their orange messiach at the slightest hint of any criticism at all right down to frickin' JOKES, when you have obsequious bootlickers parroting the orange messiach's easily-debunked denialist bullshit theories IN SPITE OF the numbers and facts right in front of them ----- that's an emotional investment. An emotional investment at a level that outright denies realities. And when you're looking at that, you is looking at a cult, pure and simple.

Interesting, because the same thing applies to biden and his supporters. There are things that have come out about biden, things that have some evidence, or at least some suspicious looking information, and the left denies and defends it to their very core.

You call right wingers cultists for the very same thing

This is the point where I went right to sleep, since you're still hung up on this "politics/left-right" malarkey. Which shows me that you're not even reading the post you quote, so why should I bother.

But say speaking of cult followers, since we both know that proper names are capitalized in English, how is it the only time you do that is on the name "Trump"?

This is the point where I went right to sleep, since you're still hung up on this "politics/left-right" malarkey. Which shows me that you're not even reading the post you quote, so why should I bother

Isn't that what this thread is about? The OP wanted to call out the rights [sic call for violence

See what I mean? You just did it AGAIN. It's like this all sails right over your head. Or you duck.

Read the thread title and explain to me where it says anything about "the right".

And there we are, right back to "cult". Which is short for "cult of personality". "The right" and "the left" are not personalities. GET IT?

Thread title:

"Trumpers are threatening violence"

That signifies "the right" to me.

See, that's your problem right there. Conflating "politics" and "personalities". Cult followers don't equate to a political position. And perhaps you've been "away" when masses of those on "the right" mobilized to resist and replace Rump, all along. The George Wills, the Bushes, the Lincoln Project?

Ok, sure, I understand that not all people on the right follow trump, but pretty much all people who follow trump are on "the right". Perhaps when i wrote my post. I should have replaced "the right" and "the left" with "trump followers" and "biden followers".

Indeed, as the thread started originally. Because a cult follower is IN NO WAY the same as "the right" or "the left". It isn't even political at all --- it's PERSONAL. Always has been. It's about character, not 'politics'.

And that's what this conflict has always been --- PERSONAL. Rump clearly has no politics. He'll say whatever makes the minions froth at the mouth and then turn around and deny he just said that. His only concern is "ME ME ME AND DID I MENTION ME" and manipulating other poor saps into fellating his ego even further, e.g. "beat the crap out of 'em", e.g. "stand back and stand by" e.g. "very fine people" e.g. egging yahoos to storm their state capitals, e.g. pepperspraying a peaceful assembly so he can take a picture holding a bible upside down in front of a church where he wasn't welcome anyway.. Notice that he NEVER involves himself directly in ANY of this. He sprayed no pepper himself, he beat the crap out of nobody himself, he drove no cars into people himself, he stormed no Lansings himself. Cult followers did all of that. Because they hear and obey. He does it because it gets him off.

THAT IS A CULT, plain and simple.

Btw when you say "not all people on the right follow trump, but pretty much all people who follow trump are on "the right"', it's akin to when i point out "not all of those on "the right" are racists, but those who are racists are on "the right'". In both cases, true but not relevant as causation.

When the "biden supporters" call trump followers "a cult", they are referring to the definition of a cult, which is misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

Correct, and that's putting it mildly. You left out that such a following will outright deny reality and descend into violence for that cult. Call it the way it is. And it's not "biden [sic] supporters" using this obvious description --- this has been well known for FIVE YEARS, long before there was a "biden [sic]" in the picture. The cult goes all the way back to the "knock the hell" daze.

Even if you are talking cult if personality, its essentially the same thing. Again, I was pointing out, as in your post, when you called them a cult, that the "biden supporters" do the exact same thing.

Uh... really.

Show us where "Biden supporters" suckerpunched protesters at a Biden event. Show us where they strapped on guns and stormed their state capitals and/or threatened to kidnap and execute governors. Show us where they stand idly by while Biden spews a torrent of made-up bullshit and mind-numbingly murmur "yes master, we hear and obey". Show us where Biden sends a torrent of whiny tweets at some critic whereupon his mysterious 'cult followers' fall all over themselves to parrot the same thing on command, even oozing onto this board to try to tell us with a straight fact that no Rump was not mocking that reporter's congenital disability. Obviously it's NOT AT ALL the same thing.

Don't sit here and peddle hallucinations. We know better. And AGAIN all this shitflinging was going on WAY before Biden was even in the picture, way before the primaries. It's been going on --- again---- for FIVE YEARS.

*NONE* of this is about "biden [sic]", desperately as you cultists try to make it that way. It's about Rump and it's always been about Rump, because that's where the cult is.

See, that's your problem right there. Conflating "politics" and "personalities". Cult followers don't equate to a political position. And perhaps you've been "away" when masses of those on "the right" mobilized to resist and replace Rump, all along. The George Wills, the Bushes, the Lincoln Project

George will? Lincoln project? Never trumpers?

I disagree with your assertion that people follow trump because of who he is. They follow him because he wasnt Hillary Clinton. Had anyone else won in 2016 from the republican party, "the right" would be following them. Its not about trump per se as much as it is about not wanting democratic control to be attained.

Sure, there are those who like his crass style, his unconventional demeanor. Some people were looking for anyone who wasn't just like all the others.....establishment politicians. They wanted someone who was rough around the edges, but again, if ANYONE else from the republican party had won in 2016, they would have gladly followed them as well.

And that's what this conflict has always been --- PERSONAL. Rump clearly has no politics. He'll say whatever makes the minions froth at the mouth and then turn around and deny he just said that. His only concern is "ME ME ME AND DID I MENTION ME" and manipulating other poor saps into fellating his ego even further

Sure, ill agree that trump is a bit narsaccistic, but every president likes to tout their achievements. Most of them are not as boisterous as trump is about it, ill give you that, but they all pat themselves on the back.

"beat the crap out of 'em

I agree, it was not right of him to incite that.

"stand back and stand by

Again, as I've stated already, nobody knows what that meant. The left wing media did alot of assuming (conveniently), because that is what they wanted to put into the heads of their viewers and listeners.

Trump could have just fumbled the words, who knows. We shouldn't just assume what's going on in his head. Its the same during the 2016 debate when he said "blood coming from..wherever". The left had a field day with that...though they had no clue what he meant. They just fabricated a narrative and pushed it.

Did anyone stop to think...hmm, maybe he just ran out of ideas after saying "nose and eyes". Maybe he didn't want to pursue that statement any further and just wanted to end it.

Point is, we don't know what he meant in either instance.

very fine people

Again, already explained. Watch the whole clip for proper context.

egging yahoos to storm their state capitals

Ok, I must have missed that. Point me to a link where trump instructs people to storm the calitals.

pepperspraying a peaceful assembly so he can take a picture holding a bible upside down in front of a church where he wasn't welcome anyway

Were the protesters in an area where the president was going to be? I'm not saying what he did was right, but, if potus was coming through and there were protesters in the way, then secret service is going to clear a path.

Notice that he NEVER involves himself directly in ANY of this. He sprayed no pepper himself, he beat the crap out of nobody himself, he drove no cars into people himself, he stormed no Lansings himself. Cult followers did all of that. Because they hear and obey.He does it because it gets him off.

Yeah, just like Maxine waters didn't go out and form a crowd and get in the faces of people, but she called for it.

Just like kamala Harris when she said the riots are not going to stop...but she didn't actually get out there and riot.

it's akin to when i point out "not all of those on "the right" are racists, but those who are racists are on "the right'"

Thats both incorrect and unproveable. Just because left wing media likes to paint all Republicans as racist (and they do), doesn't mean any of it is true. Also, im sure there are plenty of racists who are democrats, the only difference is, you don't have media types talking about it 24/7.

Racism exists, we know that, but you can't pat yourself on the back and claim moral superiority, because the left has just as much a problem with being racist.

Correct, and that's putting it mildly. You left out that such a following will outright deny reality and descend into violence for that cult

Both sides are at fault for committing violence.

Show us where "Biden supporters" suckerpunched protesters at a Biden event

Notice if trump supporters show up to biden events, seems like they generally protest outside and don't really go in to cause a scene inside the event. However, we see that biden supporters like to disrupt trump events and cause problems. We've seen this multiple times, and most recently in Washington. Again, as I've pointed out.

Show us where they strapped on guns and stormed their state capitals and/or threatened to kidnap and execute governors

Who stormed the capitals? Where did anyone threaten to execute Whitmer?

Show us where they stand idly by while Biden spews a torrent of made-up bullshit and mind-numbingly murmur "yes master, we hear and obey"

I've never seen anything like that. Yes, supporters are going to cheer for their candidate, just as bidens do, but "hear and obey"? I think that is an image you have in your head, likely influenced by a left wing talk show host.

Show us where Biden sends a torrent of whiny tweets at some critic whereupon his mysterious 'cult followers' fall all over themselves to parrot the same thing on command

I've never been a fan of trump being able to tweet whatever he wants. I've said before, he should probably be moderated on his tweeting. Having said that, "parroting" is nothing new, both sides do it.

even oozing onto this board to try to tell us with a straight fact that no Rump was not mocking that reporter's congenital disability

I admit, that looks bad, and I agree, he shouldn't have done it.

NONE* of this is about "biden [sic]", desperately as you cultists try to make it that way. It's about Rump and it's always been about Rump, because that's where the cult

Again, I disagree with the "cult" assessment. Each side has their fanatics, but overall, its just people cheering their candidate.

I really don't know how we got so long winded on this topic. You made a post, I disputed it, and then you went way off on other things.

My point was in replying to your post, that there is violence on both sides, from what I've seen, those on the left seem to be a bit more prone and active about their violence, but both sides are guilty.


You made a list of things you claimed trump supporters did, and called them a cult. I disagree that they are a cult, for reasons already explained, and I also showed that, people on the left were also guilty of spreading hate and violence .

Thats really all I was trying to say.

You're an extremely careless reader. EVERYTHING I've posted on this exchange is specifically about what you specifically questioned, the idea of a Cult. I don't have the time to pick it apart right now but here are the highlights to come:

• You left out the crucial word "her" --- "bleeding from HER wherever". Rump has a history with women and blood. A severe hangup. See also "bleeding badly from a facelift".

• Again you can't seem to find your shift key, either that or are just not familiar with English, where we capitalize proper nouns. That's why it's not clear when you post, "not wanting democratic control to be attained" whether you actually mean, "not wanting Democratic control to be attained", because those two phrases mean entirely different things. As it stands it makes no sense.

• Speaking of "democrats" presumably meaning "Democrats" --- "I'm sure there are plenty of racists who are democrat [sic]" is not a comparator to what I just wrote, which was about racists being "on the right", not being "affiliated with X political party". Racism has no political party. Again, failure to read what you're responding to. It's been a pattern throughout.

• "Stand by" was directly in response to an invitation for him to disavow the Proud Boys. Don't try to suggest "nobody knew what he meant by that". It was a direct response to a specific, and the Proud Boys themselves picked up on it immediately. David Dooky fits in here too.

• Finally, after I took pains to point out how none of this is about politics but about personal character, you AGAIN tried to shift it right back to politics and political parties and "their side". This is all sailing right over your head, and I believe that's intentional on your part. You're not reading.

Oh and I don't listen to talk radio, so once again ass-umptions pulled out of your wherever. But once AGAIN --- trying to shift the idea of "cult" into the idea of "politics".

CULT - POLITICS ... KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

You left out the crucial word "her" --- "bleeding from HER wherever". Rump has a history with women and blood. A severe hangup. See also "bleeding badly from a facelift

Yeah, her. He was talking to a woman. Doesn't mean he was referring to her vagina. Again, we don't KNOW what he meant. You seem to not want to give any credence to the possibility that maybe he was just being 'general'. You have to believe that he could only have been talking about her vagina....why? There was absolutely no context in his statement, either way.

I'm willing to admit he could have been being lewd, but you are not willing to conceive that maybe he wasnt. THAT is cult like behavior. Being so engrossed to one idea that you cannot fathom that it could be any other way.

Again you can't seem to find your shift key, either that or are just not familiar with English, where we capitalize proper nouns. That's why it's not clear when you post, "not wanting democratic control to be attained" whether you actually mean, "not wanting Democratic control to be attained", because those two phrases mean entirely different things. As it stands it makes no sense

Again, I'm posting from my phone. Whatever Google or Samsung decides to capitalize...thats on them. Im just typing.

I apologize, I didn't know democrat had a different meaning than Democrat. In the phrase "...democratic control...." I was speaking simply of not having the democrats gain control of the white house.

Speaking of "democrats" presumably meaning "Democrats" --- "I'm sure there are plenty of racists who are democrat [sic]" is not a comparator to what I just wrote, which was about racists being "on the right", not being "affiliated with X political party". Racism has no political party. Again, failure to read what you're responding to. It's been a pattern throughout

Ok, I guess I don't get it then. You said "its akin to when I say that not all those on "the right are racist, but those who are racist are on the right". I agree that not everyone on the right are racist and not everyone on the left are racist, but there are racist in both parties.

I know racism has no political party, but that doesn't stop the left from throwing that term at the right constantly. I hear it every single day how "Republicans are the party of racists". My point was, perhaps the democrats should do some self reflection.

"Stand by" was directly in response to an invitation for him to disavow the Proud Boys. Don't try to suggest "nobody knew what he meant by that". It was a direct response to a specific, and the Proud Boys themselves picked up on it immediately. David Dooky fits in here too

So, trump makes a comment and the proud boys make a affirmation of that comment. So, that means the only explanation is that trump was signaling to the proud boys to "stand by and wait for further instructions". There is no other explanation but that? Even though, pretty much as long as they have been around, people on the left have called the proud boys a radical, right wing, alt right, racist, violent group. Knowing that, its not possible that they heard that from Trump and took it upon themselves to acknowledge?

Again, I'm not saying thats not a possibility, but, just like with Megan Kelly, all you can do is assume, because just like Megan Kelly, there was no context added to his statement.

I wouldn't think, if trump was trying to signal to a radical violent alt right group, that he wouldnt do it on national television. What does he gain by doing something like that? A move like that could only serve to hurt him. With everything trump has been accused of, he doesn't need conspiring with a racist, alt right, neo nazi, fascist, anti Semitic, zealot, cult, hate group to be on his resume..

Finally, after I took pains to point out how none of this is about politics but about personal character, you AGAIN tried to shift it right back to politics and political parties and "their side". This is all sailing right over your head, and I believe that's intentional on your part. You're not reading

Oooh kay, let's take this back all the way to the beginning.

Under a thread titled:

TRUMPERS ARE THREATENING VIOLENCE.

You posted:

The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on

I understand that you say its not about politics, its about personal character. Then, you go on to a list of things that were alleged in the media to be done by "trump supporters", in other words "right wingers".

My response to your post was:

Gracie said:

Oh boo hoo. I suppose the left has been nothing but sweet and tolerant for the past 4 years, right?




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"The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

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This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.

Its not a cult. People are just as loyal to trump as there are people loyal to Biden. I don't understand how people can put labels only on one side, when the other side are just as much loyal to their guy.


Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.

I've heard people say this a few times. Where is the article where it said they were going to execute her? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I've seen articles, but they don't mention anything about execution.


"Very fine people".

Has been debunked many times. Please don't just look at the sound byte that left wing media gives to you. Look at everything trump said. You know, when he said that, he wasn't talking about the white supremacists when he said "very fine people" because he goes on to exclude them and said they should be condemned. Why do all the left wingers leave that part out?


"Stand by".

Nobody really knows what he meant by that. Sure, the left wing talk hosts used it to gin up a lot of rhetoric and fear mongering, but nobody really knows what he meant.

"Beat the crap out of 'em".

I give ya this one. He shouldn't have said it, but he was just referring to people disrupting his campaign speech.


Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

If this is referring to the biden bus drama, wasn't it already proven that it was a vehicle of a left wingers who was at fault?

Man oh man. I've said it before, here on this very forum, and ill say it again. Trump was right about one thing for sure, the media is the enemy of the people.

Look at where we are at, so polarized and ready to be at each others throats, and why? Because of media. We live in echo chambers and get fed from the hours of rhetoric each and every day. We choose to see only one side, and that side is telling us that the other side are hateful and hideous people.

Media = programming. When you listen to hateful rhetoric for too long, it causes you to become hateful. Personally, im having to take a step back from listening to left wing talk shows, I found that by listening to their hateful rhetoric, and constant attacks on right wingers every day, with their vile language, and constant accusations, it started to make me become very jaded. I'm someone who leans libertarian right, but I listen to talk shows on both sides, just to hear what the other side is saying.

After months of listening to people like michaelangelo signorile, who's show is nothing but hate speech against the right, and accusations and constantly berating and down talking Republicans, i found myself becoming hateful myself, not against the right, but against the left, and all the hate that they were spouting.

Point is, if you continually feed off of that sort of thing, you will become part of it. Its just psychological. If you listen to something long enough, you become more and more affected by it.

I think the media controls us more than some want to admit. If you think of it, everything you know about what is going on in the world comes from a media outlet. If you listen to fox, then that news is going to have a right leaning spin. If you listen to cnn or msnbc, then its going to have a left leaning spin, but you'll never get the unslanted truth.

To me, this is a problem, because this means media outlets have way too much power to be able to influence.

Just look at FB and Twitter now, and YouTube. They have become so influential, they are having to have hearings on their efforts to silence opposing views, and these are not even "news" organizations, but, they can be every bit as influential as fox and cnn, even more so, since a lot of people get their news and stories from people who post to these sites.

Anyway, I've blathered on too long. Its just sad when you have video of someone saying something, and people would rather believe the echo chamber spun version of it.

I admit, I went off on a tangent here, but, the initial part of my post was addressed at the things that you alleged. My point was to refute those things by pointing out inaccuracies, and bogus claims by left wing media, which sent me on a tirade about media.....sorry about that lol.

Then YOUUUUU *finger point* went on about all this other stuff. Honestly, I wasn't meaning for it to go this deep. I was really just trying to refute your arguments.

My bad!

You're a real piece of work. You make these massive wrongheaded conflations, insert terms that were never there, you get told about them, then you do them AGAIN, then you get told about them AGAIN, then you do them again AGAIN.

It appears your strategy here is to bury the original point, about the Cult --- in a mountain of clueless verbage. So I'm just going to pick some of the low-hanging fruit, since it's not worth the work to school a student who CAN'T READ.

Number one.

Yeah, her. He was talking to a woman. Doesn't mean he was referring to her vagina. Again, we don't KNOW what he meant. You seem to not want to give any credence to the possibility that maybe he was just being 'general'. You have to believe that he could only have been talking about her vagina....why? There was absolutely no context in his statement, either way.

BULLSHIT. Maybe you're unfamiliar with how menstruation works but Rump is not. He's got a history of denigrating women and a blood hangup to go with it. AND THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THIS yet here you are trying to play "I'm too stupid". "Blood" is an attack, via ancient and ignorant culture derived from ancient patriarchy, to (he thinks) demean and devalue his adversary when that adversary is female. Kelly had been asking pointed questions, about exactly that, and that's what he was referring to with that particular "blood" thing. If you don't know all this then you're not even qualified to be in this discussion.

I'm willing to admit he could have been being lewd, but you are not willing to conceive that maybe he wasnt. THAT is cult like behavior.

BULLSHIT. Cultism involves a blind following of some yahoo who purports to be a god. What I'm doing is the exact opposite of that. It's calling out the cult FOR BEING a cult. Apparently you have no clue even what the term "cult" means, so why are you even engaging? What you're actually doing is bending over backward to white-knight for the cult god by disregarding evidence right in front of your face. Nobody's buying it. And the fact remains, as I already pointed out, you deliberately left out the gender identifier "her" in the quote, as part of that white-knight flailing attempt. You're not fooling ANYBODY.

Again, I'm posting from my phone. Whatever Google or Samsung decides to capitalize...thats on them. Im just typing.

It's great to know all this means so much to you that you post from your phone (/sarcasm) but I have yet to see a phone that can't post upper and lower cases where they belong, so long as the user controls it. Maybe you're not only not reading my posts, but also not even reading your own. So now you want to blame Google and Samsung? That's pathetic.

I apologize, I didn't know democrat had a different meaning than Democrat. In the phrase "...democratic control...." I was speaking simply of not having the democrats gain control of the white house.

A "democrat" is a person who believes in democracy. A "Democrat" is a member of a specific political party. I figured you meant the latter but you couldn't be bothered to simply spell it right.

Ok, I guess I don't get it then. You said "its akin to when I say that not all those on "the right are racist, but those who are racist are on the right". I agree that not everyone on the right are racist and not everyone on the left are racist, but there are racist in both parties.

And there you just did it again AGAIN. You actually don't see, even though you quoted it yourself, that I said "on the right" and you then translated that to "parties". THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME THING.



You're not reading a damn thing here. Just going

I know racism has no political party, but that doesn't stop the left from throwing that term at the right constantly. I hear it every single day how "Republicans are the party of racists". My point was, perhaps the democrats should do some self reflection.

You mean "Democrats'? Or "democrats"? In either case what the hell does that have to do with me?
I have little patience for blanket generalizations, so that's a non-starter.

I wouldn't think, if trump was trying to signal to a radical violent alt right group, that he wouldnt do it on national television. What does he gain by doing something like that? A move like that could only serve to hurt him. With everything trump has been accused of, he doesn't need conspiring with a racist, alt right, neo nazi, fascist, anti Semitic, zealot, cult, hate group to be on his resume..

Of course he would. It's a wide audience. What does he gain? He gains, as you just confirmed, the attention and obedience of the Proud Boys, and their ilk. He gains his "army" of Tiki torchers, "very fine people", David Dookies and hyper-nutcases storming state capitals with guns and plotting to kidnap and execute governors (that's plural). And he uses Tweeter the same way to stir that up. You'll notice he never did take the invitation to condemn them, because he's afraid to. As one of the "very fine people" warned him in a previous infamous event:

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That was sent immediately following Charlottesville after Rump actually DID signal a condemnation of what he later called "very fine people" in that spontaneous press conference where he started whining about his poor misunderstood racist base in an appalling dog whistle apology to them. That's right, Rump mended his ways and did an about-face -- because David Dooky shamed him into it. And Rump obeyed.

Rump needs these assholes for his imaginary guerilla army, the one that's going to kidnap and execute governors, drive cars into people, start civil wars, storm state capitals and somehow jerk off his pipe dream of hanging on to the White House forever, elections or no elections. THAT is why he does it.

I understand that you say its not about politics, its about personal character. Then, you go on to a list of things that were alleged in the media to be done by "trump supporters", in other words "right wingers".

Once AGAIN AGAIN, there you go taking what WAS -- the entity "Rump supporters", or as I call them "the cult" -------------- and immediately morphing into something you WISH it was. "right wingers". NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "RIGHT WINGERS". Why do you INSIST on this dishonesty? You don't get to just switch terms from what you can't handle to what you wish the term had been. As long as you keep pulling that, you're not engaged in this question at all. You're doing everything you can to avoid it. It would appear you're conceding that I'm right about "cult" and in exchange you want to have a different argument instead. I don't.

Don't even bother to continue this. You're not listening and you're wasting my time.

You sure are one long winded idiot.

 

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Oh boo hoo. I suppose the left has been nothing but sweet and tolerant for the past 4 years, right?

"The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.

Its not a cult. People are just as loyal to trump as there are people loyal to Biden. I don't understand how people can put labels only on one side, when the other side are just as much loyal to their guy.

Whelp --- when you have obedient cult followers scrambling all over themselves to defend their orange messiach at the slightest hint of any criticism at all right down to frickin' JOKES, when you have obsequious bootlickers parroting the orange messiach's easily-debunked denialist bullshit theories IN SPITE OF the numbers and facts right in front of them ----- that's an emotional investment. An emotional investment at a level that outright denies realities. And when you're looking at that, you is looking at a cult, pure and simple. You're in Jim Jones territory. For fuck's sake you have these lemmings right here on this board, threatening their fellow citizens with violence, for no reason any more tangible than that Orange Crash said so. That is in fact what this thread is ABOUT.

And yet the poster I quoted actually tried to hide it behind "politics". So I called her on it.

Matter of fact you just committed the same gaffe "why do left-wingers...". Intentional blindness. More than a few of y'all are always desperate to try to spin all this into some kind of "political" situation, presumably because you can't handle it on its real basis.

From our temporal perspective we look back at the Germany of the 1930s and ask, "how could a nation blindly go along with that?". Whelp, that's the same thing the world of tomorrow will be asking --- indeed the rest of the world is already asking it.

I'll be damned if I can come up with an answer.

Whelp --- when you have obedient cult followers scrambling all over themselves to defend their orange messiach at the slightest hint of any criticism at all right down to frickin' JOKES, when you have obsequious bootlickers parroting the orange messiach's easily-debunked denialist bullshit theories IN SPITE OF the numbers and facts right in front of them ----- that's an emotional investment. An emotional investment at a level that outright denies realities. And when you're looking at that, you is looking at a cult, pure and simple.

Interesting, because the same thing applies to biden and his supporters. There are things that have come out about biden, things that have some evidence, or at least some suspicious looking information, and the left denies and defends it to their very core.

You call right wingers cultists for the very same thing

This is the point where I went right to sleep, since you're still hung up on this "politics/left-right" malarkey. Which shows me that you're not even reading the post you quote, so why should I bother.

But say speaking of cult followers, since we both know that proper names are capitalized in English, how is it the only time you do that is on the name "Trump"?

This is the point where I went right to sleep, since you're still hung up on this "politics/left-right" malarkey. Which shows me that you're not even reading the post you quote, so why should I bother

Isn't that what this thread is about? The OP wanted to call out the rights [sic call for violence

See what I mean? You just did it AGAIN. It's like this all sails right over your head. Or you duck.

Read the thread title and explain to me where it says anything about "the right".

And there we are, right back to "cult". Which is short for "cult of personality". "The right" and "the left" are not personalities. GET IT?

Thread title:

"Trumpers are threatening violence"

That signifies "the right" to me.

See, that's your problem right there. Conflating "politics" and "personalities". Cult followers don't equate to a political position. And perhaps you've been "away" when masses of those on "the right" mobilized to resist and replace Rump, all along. The George Wills, the Bushes, the Lincoln Project?

Ok, sure, I understand that not all people on the right follow trump, but pretty much all people who follow trump are on "the right". Perhaps when i wrote my post. I should have replaced "the right" and "the left" with "trump followers" and "biden followers".

Indeed, as the thread started originally. Because a cult follower is IN NO WAY the same as "the right" or "the left". It isn't even political at all --- it's PERSONAL. Always has been. It's about character, not 'politics'.

And that's what this conflict has always been --- PERSONAL. Rump clearly has no politics. He'll say whatever makes the minions froth at the mouth and then turn around and deny he just said that. His only concern is "ME ME ME AND DID I MENTION ME" and manipulating other poor saps into fellating his ego even further, e.g. "beat the crap out of 'em", e.g. "stand back and stand by" e.g. "very fine people" e.g. egging yahoos to storm their state capitals, e.g. pepperspraying a peaceful assembly so he can take a picture holding a bible upside down in front of a church where he wasn't welcome anyway.. Notice that he NEVER involves himself directly in ANY of this. He sprayed no pepper himself, he beat the crap out of nobody himself, he drove no cars into people himself, he stormed no Lansings himself. Cult followers did all of that. Because they hear and obey. He does it because it gets him off.

THAT IS A CULT, plain and simple.

Btw when you say "not all people on the right follow trump, but pretty much all people who follow trump are on "the right"', it's akin to when i point out "not all of those on "the right" are racists, but those who are racists are on "the right'". In both cases, true but not relevant as causation.

When the "biden supporters" call trump followers "a cult", they are referring to the definition of a cult, which is misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

Correct, and that's putting it mildly. You left out that such a following will outright deny reality and descend into violence for that cult. Call it the way it is. And it's not "biden [sic] supporters" using this obvious description --- this has been well known for FIVE YEARS, long before there was a "biden [sic]" in the picture. The cult goes all the way back to the "knock the hell" daze.

Even if you are talking cult if personality, its essentially the same thing. Again, I was pointing out, as in your post, when you called them a cult, that the "biden supporters" do the exact same thing.

Uh... really.

Show us where "Biden supporters" suckerpunched protesters at a Biden event. Show us where they strapped on guns and stormed their state capitals and/or threatened to kidnap and execute governors. Show us where they stand idly by while Biden spews a torrent of made-up bullshit and mind-numbingly murmur "yes master, we hear and obey". Show us where Biden sends a torrent of whiny tweets at some critic whereupon his mysterious 'cult followers' fall all over themselves to parrot the same thing on command, even oozing onto this board to try to tell us with a straight fact that no Rump was not mocking that reporter's congenital disability. Obviously it's NOT AT ALL the same thing.

Don't sit here and peddle hallucinations. We know better. And AGAIN all this shitflinging was going on WAY before Biden was even in the picture, way before the primaries. It's been going on --- again---- for FIVE YEARS.

*NONE* of this is about "biden [sic]", desperately as you cultists try to make it that way. It's about Rump and it's always been about Rump, because that's where the cult is.

See, that's your problem right there. Conflating "politics" and "personalities". Cult followers don't equate to a political position. And perhaps you've been "away" when masses of those on "the right" mobilized to resist and replace Rump, all along. The George Wills, the Bushes, the Lincoln Project

George will? Lincoln project? Never trumpers?

I disagree with your assertion that people follow trump because of who he is. They follow him because he wasnt Hillary Clinton. Had anyone else won in 2016 from the republican party, "the right" would be following them. Its not about trump per se as much as it is about not wanting democratic control to be attained.

Sure, there are those who like his crass style, his unconventional demeanor. Some people were looking for anyone who wasn't just like all the others.....establishment politicians. They wanted someone who was rough around the edges, but again, if ANYONE else from the republican party had won in 2016, they would have gladly followed them as well.

And that's what this conflict has always been --- PERSONAL. Rump clearly has no politics. He'll say whatever makes the minions froth at the mouth and then turn around and deny he just said that. His only concern is "ME ME ME AND DID I MENTION ME" and manipulating other poor saps into fellating his ego even further

Sure, ill agree that trump is a bit narsaccistic, but every president likes to tout their achievements. Most of them are not as boisterous as trump is about it, ill give you that, but they all pat themselves on the back.

"beat the crap out of 'em

I agree, it was not right of him to incite that.

"stand back and stand by

Again, as I've stated already, nobody knows what that meant. The left wing media did alot of assuming (conveniently), because that is what they wanted to put into the heads of their viewers and listeners.

Trump could have just fumbled the words, who knows. We shouldn't just assume what's going on in his head. Its the same during the 2016 debate when he said "blood coming from..wherever". The left had a field day with that...though they had no clue what he meant. They just fabricated a narrative and pushed it.

Did anyone stop to think...hmm, maybe he just ran out of ideas after saying "nose and eyes". Maybe he didn't want to pursue that statement any further and just wanted to end it.

Point is, we don't know what he meant in either instance.

very fine people

Again, already explained. Watch the whole clip for proper context.

egging yahoos to storm their state capitals

Ok, I must have missed that. Point me to a link where trump instructs people to storm the calitals.

pepperspraying a peaceful assembly so he can take a picture holding a bible upside down in front of a church where he wasn't welcome anyway

Were the protesters in an area where the president was going to be? I'm not saying what he did was right, but, if potus was coming through and there were protesters in the way, then secret service is going to clear a path.

Notice that he NEVER involves himself directly in ANY of this. He sprayed no pepper himself, he beat the crap out of nobody himself, he drove no cars into people himself, he stormed no Lansings himself. Cult followers did all of that. Because they hear and obey.He does it because it gets him off.

Yeah, just like Maxine waters didn't go out and form a crowd and get in the faces of people, but she called for it.

Just like kamala Harris when she said the riots are not going to stop...but she didn't actually get out there and riot.

it's akin to when i point out "not all of those on "the right" are racists, but those who are racists are on "the right'"

Thats both incorrect and unproveable. Just because left wing media likes to paint all Republicans as racist (and they do), doesn't mean any of it is true. Also, im sure there are plenty of racists who are democrats, the only difference is, you don't have media types talking about it 24/7.

Racism exists, we know that, but you can't pat yourself on the back and claim moral superiority, because the left has just as much a problem with being racist.

Correct, and that's putting it mildly. You left out that such a following will outright deny reality and descend into violence for that cult

Both sides are at fault for committing violence.

Show us where "Biden supporters" suckerpunched protesters at a Biden event

Notice if trump supporters show up to biden events, seems like they generally protest outside and don't really go in to cause a scene inside the event. However, we see that biden supporters like to disrupt trump events and cause problems. We've seen this multiple times, and most recently in Washington. Again, as I've pointed out.

Show us where they strapped on guns and stormed their state capitals and/or threatened to kidnap and execute governors

Who stormed the capitals? Where did anyone threaten to execute Whitmer?

Show us where they stand idly by while Biden spews a torrent of made-up bullshit and mind-numbingly murmur "yes master, we hear and obey"

I've never seen anything like that. Yes, supporters are going to cheer for their candidate, just as bidens do, but "hear and obey"? I think that is an image you have in your head, likely influenced by a left wing talk show host.

Show us where Biden sends a torrent of whiny tweets at some critic whereupon his mysterious 'cult followers' fall all over themselves to parrot the same thing on command

I've never been a fan of trump being able to tweet whatever he wants. I've said before, he should probably be moderated on his tweeting. Having said that, "parroting" is nothing new, both sides do it.

even oozing onto this board to try to tell us with a straight fact that no Rump was not mocking that reporter's congenital disability

I admit, that looks bad, and I agree, he shouldn't have done it.

NONE* of this is about "biden [sic]", desperately as you cultists try to make it that way. It's about Rump and it's always been about Rump, because that's where the cult

Again, I disagree with the "cult" assessment. Each side has their fanatics, but overall, its just people cheering their candidate.

I really don't know how we got so long winded on this topic. You made a post, I disputed it, and then you went way off on other things.

My point was in replying to your post, that there is violence on both sides, from what I've seen, those on the left seem to be a bit more prone and active about their violence, but both sides are guilty.


You made a list of things you claimed trump supporters did, and called them a cult. I disagree that they are a cult, for reasons already explained, and I also showed that, people on the left were also guilty of spreading hate and violence .

Thats really all I was trying to say.

You're an extremely careless reader. EVERYTHING I've posted on this exchange is specifically about what you specifically questioned, the idea of a Cult. I don't have the time to pick it apart right now but here are the highlights to come:

• You left out the crucial word "her" --- "bleeding from HER wherever". Rump has a history with women and blood. A severe hangup. See also "bleeding badly from a facelift".

• Again you can't seem to find your shift key, either that or are just not familiar with English, where we capitalize proper nouns. That's why it's not clear when you post, "not wanting democratic control to be attained" whether you actually mean, "not wanting Democratic control to be attained", because those two phrases mean entirely different things. As it stands it makes no sense.

• Speaking of "democrats" presumably meaning "Democrats" --- "I'm sure there are plenty of racists who are democrat [sic]" is not a comparator to what I just wrote, which was about racists being "on the right", not being "affiliated with X political party". Racism has no political party. Again, failure to read what you're responding to. It's been a pattern throughout.

• "Stand by" was directly in response to an invitation for him to disavow the Proud Boys. Don't try to suggest "nobody knew what he meant by that". It was a direct response to a specific, and the Proud Boys themselves picked up on it immediately. David Dooky fits in here too.

• Finally, after I took pains to point out how none of this is about politics but about personal character, you AGAIN tried to shift it right back to politics and political parties and "their side". This is all sailing right over your head, and I believe that's intentional on your part. You're not reading.

Oh and I don't listen to talk radio, so once again ass-umptions pulled out of your wherever. But once AGAIN --- trying to shift the idea of "cult" into the idea of "politics".

CULT - POLITICS ... KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

You left out the crucial word "her" --- "bleeding from HER wherever". Rump has a history with women and blood. A severe hangup. See also "bleeding badly from a facelift

Yeah, her. He was talking to a woman. Doesn't mean he was referring to her vagina. Again, we don't KNOW what he meant. You seem to not want to give any credence to the possibility that maybe he was just being 'general'. You have to believe that he could only have been talking about her vagina....why? There was absolutely no context in his statement, either way.

I'm willing to admit he could have been being lewd, but you are not willing to conceive that maybe he wasnt. THAT is cult like behavior. Being so engrossed to one idea that you cannot fathom that it could be any other way.

Again you can't seem to find your shift key, either that or are just not familiar with English, where we capitalize proper nouns. That's why it's not clear when you post, "not wanting democratic control to be attained" whether you actually mean, "not wanting Democratic control to be attained", because those two phrases mean entirely different things. As it stands it makes no sense

Again, I'm posting from my phone. Whatever Google or Samsung decides to capitalize...thats on them. Im just typing.

I apologize, I didn't know democrat had a different meaning than Democrat. In the phrase "...democratic control...." I was speaking simply of not having the democrats gain control of the white house.

Speaking of "democrats" presumably meaning "Democrats" --- "I'm sure there are plenty of racists who are democrat [sic]" is not a comparator to what I just wrote, which was about racists being "on the right", not being "affiliated with X political party". Racism has no political party. Again, failure to read what you're responding to. It's been a pattern throughout

Ok, I guess I don't get it then. You said "its akin to when I say that not all those on "the right are racist, but those who are racist are on the right". I agree that not everyone on the right are racist and not everyone on the left are racist, but there are racist in both parties.

I know racism has no political party, but that doesn't stop the left from throwing that term at the right constantly. I hear it every single day how "Republicans are the party of racists". My point was, perhaps the democrats should do some self reflection.

"Stand by" was directly in response to an invitation for him to disavow the Proud Boys. Don't try to suggest "nobody knew what he meant by that". It was a direct response to a specific, and the Proud Boys themselves picked up on it immediately. David Dooky fits in here too

So, trump makes a comment and the proud boys make a affirmation of that comment. So, that means the only explanation is that trump was signaling to the proud boys to "stand by and wait for further instructions". There is no other explanation but that? Even though, pretty much as long as they have been around, people on the left have called the proud boys a radical, right wing, alt right, racist, violent group. Knowing that, its not possible that they heard that from Trump and took it upon themselves to acknowledge?

Again, I'm not saying thats not a possibility, but, just like with Megan Kelly, all you can do is assume, because just like Megan Kelly, there was no context added to his statement.

I wouldn't think, if trump was trying to signal to a radical violent alt right group, that he wouldnt do it on national television. What does he gain by doing something like that? A move like that could only serve to hurt him. With everything trump has been accused of, he doesn't need conspiring with a racist, alt right, neo nazi, fascist, anti Semitic, zealot, cult, hate group to be on his resume..

Finally, after I took pains to point out how none of this is about politics but about personal character, you AGAIN tried to shift it right back to politics and political parties and "their side". This is all sailing right over your head, and I believe that's intentional on your part. You're not reading

Oooh kay, let's take this back all the way to the beginning.

Under a thread titled:

TRUMPERS ARE THREATENING VIOLENCE.

You posted:

The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on

I understand that you say its not about politics, its about personal character. Then, you go on to a list of things that were alleged in the media to be done by "trump supporters", in other words "right wingers".

My response to your post was:

Gracie said:

Oh boo hoo. I suppose the left has been nothing but sweet and tolerant for the past 4 years, right?




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"The left"?

This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.
Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.
"Very fine people". "Stand by". "Beat the crap out of 'em". Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

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This isn't about "politics". This is a CULT. Read the post I just quoted.

Its not a cult. People are just as loyal to trump as there are people loyal to Biden. I don't understand how people can put labels only on one side, when the other side are just as much loyal to their guy.


Then think about the yahoos plotting to KIDNAP AND EXECUTE a governor.

I've heard people say this a few times. Where is the article where it said they were going to execute her? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I've seen articles, but they don't mention anything about execution.


"Very fine people".

Has been debunked many times. Please don't just look at the sound byte that left wing media gives to you. Look at everything trump said. You know, when he said that, he wasn't talking about the white supremacists when he said "very fine people" because he goes on to exclude them and said they should be condemned. Why do all the left wingers leave that part out?


"Stand by".

Nobody really knows what he meant by that. Sure, the left wing talk hosts used it to gin up a lot of rhetoric and fear mongering, but nobody really knows what he meant.

"Beat the crap out of 'em".

I give ya this one. He shouldn't have said it, but he was just referring to people disrupting his campaign speech.


Running cars off the road. We could go on and on.

If this is referring to the biden bus drama, wasn't it already proven that it was a vehicle of a left wingers who was at fault?

Man oh man. I've said it before, here on this very forum, and ill say it again. Trump was right about one thing for sure, the media is the enemy of the people.

Look at where we are at, so polarized and ready to be at each others throats, and why? Because of media. We live in echo chambers and get fed from the hours of rhetoric each and every day. We choose to see only one side, and that side is telling us that the other side are hateful and hideous people.

Media = programming. When you listen to hateful rhetoric for too long, it causes you to become hateful. Personally, im having to take a step back from listening to left wing talk shows, I found that by listening to their hateful rhetoric, and constant attacks on right wingers every day, with their vile language, and constant accusations, it started to make me become very jaded. I'm someone who leans libertarian right, but I listen to talk shows on both sides, just to hear what the other side is saying.

After months of listening to people like michaelangelo signorile, who's show is nothing but hate speech against the right, and accusations and constantly berating and down talking Republicans, i found myself becoming hateful myself, not against the right, but against the left, and all the hate that they were spouting.

Point is, if you continually feed off of that sort of thing, you will become part of it. Its just psychological. If you listen to something long enough, you become more and more affected by it.

I think the media controls us more than some want to admit. If you think of it, everything you know about what is going on in the world comes from a media outlet. If you listen to fox, then that news is going to have a right leaning spin. If you listen to cnn or msnbc, then its going to have a left leaning spin, but you'll never get the unslanted truth.

To me, this is a problem, because this means media outlets have way too much power to be able to influence.

Just look at FB and Twitter now, and YouTube. They have become so influential, they are having to have hearings on their efforts to silence opposing views, and these are not even "news" organizations, but, they can be every bit as influential as fox and cnn, even more so, since a lot of people get their news and stories from people who post to these sites.

Anyway, I've blathered on too long. Its just sad when you have video of someone saying something, and people would rather believe the echo chamber spun version of it.

I admit, I went off on a tangent here, but, the initial part of my post was addressed at the things that you alleged. My point was to refute those things by pointing out inaccuracies, and bogus claims by left wing media, which sent me on a tirade about media.....sorry about that lol.

Then YOUUUUU *finger point* went on about all this other stuff. Honestly, I wasn't meaning for it to go this deep. I was really just trying to refute your arguments.

My bad!

You're a real piece of work. You make these massive wrongheaded conflations, insert terms that were never there, you get told about them, then you do them AGAIN, then you get told about them AGAIN, then you do them again AGAIN.

It appears your strategy here is to bury the original point, about the Cult --- in a mountain of clueless verbage. So I'm just going to pick some of the low-hanging fruit, since it's not worth the work to school a student who CAN'T READ.

Number one.

Yeah, her. He was talking to a woman. Doesn't mean he was referring to her vagina. Again, we don't KNOW what he meant. You seem to not want to give any credence to the possibility that maybe he was just being 'general'. You have to believe that he could only have been talking about her vagina....why? There was absolutely no context in his statement, either way.

BULLSHIT. Maybe you're unfamiliar with how menstruation works but Rump is not. He's got a history of denigrating women and a blood hangup to go with it. AND THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THIS yet here you are trying to play "I'm too stupid". "Blood" is an attack, via ancient and ignorant culture derived from ancient patriarchy, to (he thinks) demean and devalue his adversary when that adversary is female. Kelly had been asking pointed questions, about exactly that, and that's what he was referring to with that particular "blood" thing. If you don't know all this then you're not even qualified to be in this discussion.

I'm willing to admit he could have been being lewd, but you are not willing to conceive that maybe he wasnt. THAT is cult like behavior.

BULLSHIT. Cultism involves a blind following of some yahoo who purports to be a god. What I'm doing is the exact opposite of that. It's calling out the cult FOR BEING a cult. Apparently you have no clue even what the term "cult" means, so why are you even engaging? What you're actually doing is bending over backward to white-knight for the cult god by disregarding evidence right in front of your face. Nobody's buying it. And the fact remains, as I already pointed out, you deliberately left out the gender identifier "her" in the quote, as part of that white-knight flailing attempt. You're not fooling ANYBODY.

Again, I'm posting from my phone. Whatever Google or Samsung decides to capitalize...thats on them. Im just typing.

It's great to know all this means so much to you that you post from your phone (/sarcasm) but I have yet to see a phone that can't post upper and lower cases where they belong, so long as the user controls it. Maybe you're not only not reading my posts, but also not even reading your own. So now you want to blame Google and Samsung? That's pathetic.

I apologize, I didn't know democrat had a different meaning than Democrat. In the phrase "...democratic control...." I was speaking simply of not having the democrats gain control of the white house.

A "democrat" is a person who believes in democracy. A "Democrat" is a member of a specific political party. I figured you meant the latter but you couldn't be bothered to simply spell it right.

Ok, I guess I don't get it then. You said "its akin to when I say that not all those on "the right are racist, but those who are racist are on the right". I agree that not everyone on the right are racist and not everyone on the left are racist, but there are racist in both parties.

And there you just did it again AGAIN. You actually don't see, even though you quoted it yourself, that I said "on the right" and you then translated that to "parties". THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME THING.



You're not reading a damn thing here. Just going

I know racism has no political party, but that doesn't stop the left from throwing that term at the right constantly. I hear it every single day how "Republicans are the party of racists". My point was, perhaps the democrats should do some self reflection.

You mean "Democrats'? Or "democrats"? In either case what the hell does that have to do with me?
I have little patience for blanket generalizations, so that's a non-starter.

I wouldn't think, if trump was trying to signal to a radical violent alt right group, that he wouldnt do it on national television. What does he gain by doing something like that? A move like that could only serve to hurt him. With everything trump has been accused of, he doesn't need conspiring with a racist, alt right, neo nazi, fascist, anti Semitic, zealot, cult, hate group to be on his resume..

Of course he would. It's a wide audience. What does he gain? He gains, as you just confirmed, the attention and obedience of the Proud Boys, and their ilk. He gains his "army" of Tiki torchers, "very fine people", David Dookies and hyper-nutcases storming state capitals with guns and plotting to kidnap and execute governors (that's plural). And he uses Tweeter the same way to stir that up. You'll notice he never did take the invitation to condemn them, because he's afraid to. As one of the "very fine people" warned him in a previous infamous event:

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That was sent immediately following Charlottesville after Rump actually DID signal a condemnation of what he later called "very fine people" in that spontaneous press conference where he started whining about his poor misunderstood racist base in an appalling dog whistle apology to them. That's right, Rump mended his ways and did an about-face -- because David Dooky shamed him into it. And Rump obeyed.

Rump needs these assholes for his imaginary guerilla army, the one that's going to kidnap and execute governors, drive cars into people, start civil wars, storm state capitals and somehow jerk off his pipe dream of hanging on to the White House forever, elections or no elections. THAT is why he does it.

I understand that you say its not about politics, its about personal character. Then, you go on to a list of things that were alleged in the media to be done by "trump supporters", in other words "right wingers".

Once AGAIN AGAIN, there you go taking what WAS -- the entity "Rump supporters", or as I call them "the cult" -------------- and immediately morphing into something you WISH it was. "right wingers". NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "RIGHT WINGERS". Why do you INSIST on this dishonesty? You don't get to just switch terms from what you can't handle to what you wish the term had been. As long as you keep pulling that, you're not engaged in this question at all. You're doing everything you can to avoid it. It would appear you're conceding that I'm right about "cult" and in exchange you want to have a different argument instead. I don't.

Don't even bother to continue this. You're not listening and you're wasting my time.

You sure are one long winded idiot.

If you're saying that unlike your post here mine have what we call "content" ------------ guilty as charged.