Trump to declare national emergency

Good night everybody. Gonna put my feet up on props, take a vitamin, and pray for our nation to stay together and resolve border issues promptly. I'm hoping the days of "Our side has a bigger cannon and we're gonna use it" will soon be a thing of the past and that faith in each other will be restored. God bless America and everyone here.
 
what if that planet with the giant insects decided to fly here and take out the USA? would the Dems block the decision to fight them?


obama declared a national emergency 13 times while in office

Yes, during the Ebola outbreak, Hurricane Sandy, similar natural disasters and you know, ACTUAL emergencies, when the states or the regions needed government resources for which no allocations had been made. The way an Emergency Declaration is SUPPOSED to be used.

What Obama didn't do was to declare a national emergency as an end around because he lost a political fight. The Constitution is VERY clear that the power of the purse resides in the House, and if the people refuse to find your program, as President, you cannot use an emergency declaration as an end-around to the Constitution.

Today, on national television, a dejected, defeated, and defiant Donald Trump told America that there is no national emergency but he's doing to declare one anyway to get his wall built. This is an admission that the is declaring this emergency for political reasons, and nothing else. All Dems need to do is to walk into the Supreme Court, play that clip, and even the SC will rule against him.


when you get to be president you can decide what are nation emergencies until STFU troll
 
The left finally care about the Constitution!
Quite an accomplishment, trump!
Since Obama is a constitutional law professor, he has some knowledge of the subject. Perhaps the only issue of contention was Obamacare, where the issue of whether it was constitutional or not only came after republicans made changes to it, which then a judge ruled it unconstitutional due to those changes.

Most people who use the constitution are only using it as a pejorative, and have no idea what the constitution actually says. Emoluments for example.

Holy fuck, you are batshit derpy :eek:
 
Libs are going to be beside themselves !


President Donald Trump will sign the border-security agreement that heads off a government shutdown but declare a national emergency at the same time to build his proposed wall, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday. The agreement contains less money than Trump wanted but heads off another government shutdown after midnight Friday. McConnell did not give any more details of the emergency declaration while speaking on the Senate floor.

Trump will sign border bill and declare national emergency: McConnell

Trump will sign border bill and declare national emergency: McConnell

Published: Feb 14, 2019 3:10 p.m. ET
A friend of mine predicted the President would sign such a bill and then declare a national emergency last week, but I argued it would be better for him to agree to short term funding of the government and then declare a national emergency. I still think that would have been a better idea, but I'm guessing this was a compromise to help some Republican members of Congress from purple states avoid the stress of continuing short term funding.
Trump needed McConnell's support to block the House in an effort to overturn Trump's National Emergency. Trump signs the deal and McConnell announces his support for the National Emergency.

McConnell bitterly opposed a declaration of National Emergency but McConnell realized how devastating another shutdown would be in 2020 so he made a deal with Trump. This is real political deal making something Trump will never understand.

When Trump said he was ready to make a deal on border security and refused to compromise on wall funding which was the only real issue, he wasn't making a deal he was issuing an ultimatum. If you look back at Trump's great deals, you will find they are mostly ultimatums, despite all the bull shit in his books.
The situation was never that serious. The last poll I saw showed 86% of Republican voters strongly wanted the border fence, so regardless of how they felt about a national emergency, Republicans in Congress were not going to piss off Republican voters by trying to stop the President from building the fence. On the other hand, Republicans in Congress were anxious about another shutdown, so this compromise relieves everyone's stress and the fence gets built to satisfy Republican voters. It was necessary to go through the negotiations with the Democrats to demonstrate to both Republican voters and Republicans in Congress that the fence simply could not be built with a declaration of national emergency, and the Democrats played their role nicely in the President's little show and tell.
And a Monmouth Poll and a CNN poll both confirm approximately 64% of Americans believe the president should not declare a national emergency to build the wall and 33% of Republicans hold that view.


So he just did, what now, Hmm?
 
Obama kind of did it with DACA.

He went after gun stores and ammo, too. Let the left try that shit again, America is gonna blow up, and the left will say "Oh! We're sorry, please don't whoop me again!".

Bottom line: We're gonna stomp you if you MFers try anything heinous.

Make no mistake, everybody is pissed off at your antics. The 8 years of Obama are not forgotten, dumbasses.
Obama didnt do nothin with guns; congress had control.
But Trump has banned bump stocks. Apparently youre confusing EO with emergency declaration.
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Go fuck off, liar!



New Illinois Anti-Gun Law Already Forcing Gun Shops to Close


The day that motherfucker proposed gun confiscation, is the day he would die.

That's why he didn't do it.

Slippery turd he was.

ISIS sympathizer he was.

Some proof you need?

A) Obama expanded gun rights, only ordered mental health records to be released for background check to keep nuts from having guns.

B) Trump bans bump stocks.


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Get real, he tried to keep veterans getting benefits from owning guns. Fuck You! :1peleas::fu:

I can elaborate on some of his traitorous activities as well. You wanna play, little bird?

It was republicans in the house which passed bill on veterans gun rights. Youre blaming democrats for something republicans did.
 
The phone and the pen does not trump the Constitution dumb ass.

They did when Obama was president..but..

Neither do leftist butthurt wishes.

You get a wall, and deal with it!

Why on earth would you be opposed to one?
Because there is no emergency to have one.

Foreign invaders flooding over the border is cause for emergency, sorry.

Time to build a wall and get back to normal.
Trump blowing $70 billion tax dollars on a $2 billion wall. Why do we have to pay his cronies the other $68 billion?

Quote, "Trump blowing $70 billion tax dollars on a $2 billion wall. Why do we have to pay his cronies the other $68 billion?"

You obviously have never had to pay for a fence around a couple of acres. This wall is 4,000 miles long. Every mile has 640 acres in it. The 700 miles that are there need repairs, which according to what I understand from his speech today are not only underway but reaching completion, with construction companies in line to start the project as the Demmies are straining every nerve to obstruct by way of the courts.
You need to put down the crack pipe! 640 acres per sq mile has nothing to do with Trumps deficit explosion & $70+ billion border wall. The USA / Mexico border is only 1954 miles long. The border wall will actually be much shorter because it runs in straight lines instead of following the winding rivers. So the border wall could only be 1540 miles long & half of that has already been fenced.

It takes 1 cubic yard of concrete to build a linear foot of border wall. That equals 5280 yards of concrete per mile that cost $100 per cubic yard = $528,000 per mile. That means there could only be $813 million worth of concrete used to build the entire 1540 mile long wall. But we really only need about 770 miles of wall to close all the gaps. This is why Trump campaigned he could build the entire wall for $2 billion.

Trump is using $8 billion in previously-appropriated funding to build 234 more miles of steel barrier along the U.S.-Mexico border. At that rate Trump will blow $53 billion on a steel barrier across the entire border. The CBO ran the numbers on Trumps political payoffs in his wall proposal will cost tax payers over $70 billion. Trump & Repubtards just signed a RECORD spending bill that adds another Trillion dollars per year to the debt!!! Gold price jumped over $10 today when they signed that insane spending bill into law.
 
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They did when Obama was president..but..

Neither do leftist butthurt wishes.

You get a wall, and deal with it!

Why on earth would you be opposed to one?
Because there is no emergency to have one.

Foreign invaders flooding over the border is cause for emergency, sorry.

Time to build a wall and get back to normal.
Trump blowing $70 billion tax dollars on a $2 billion wall. Why do we have to pay his cronies the other $68 billion?

Quote, "Trump blowing $70 billion tax dollars on a $2 billion wall. Why do we have to pay his cronies the other $68 billion?"

You obviously have never had to pay for a fence around a couple of acres. This wall is 4,000 miles long. Every mile has 640 acres in it. The 700 miles that are there need repairs, which according to what I understand from his speech today are not only underway but reaching completion, with construction companies in line to start the project as the Demmies are straining every nerve to obstruct by way of the courts.
You need to put down the crack pipe! 640 acres per sq mile has nothing to do with Trumps deficit explosion & $70+ billion border wall. The USA / Mexico border is only 1954 miles long. The border wall will actually be much shorter because it runs in straight lines instead of following the winding rivers. So the border wall could only be 1540 miles long & half of that has already been fenced.

It takes 1 cubic yard of concrete to build a linear foot of border wall. That equals 5280 yards of concrete per mile that cost $100 per cubic yard = $528,000 per mile. That means there could only be $813 million worth of concrete used to build the entire 1540 mile long wall. But we really only need about 770 miles of wall to close all the gaps. This is why Trump campaigned he could build the entire wall for $2 billion.

Trump is using $8 billion in previously-appropriated funding to build 234 more miles of steel barrier along the U.S.-Mexico border. At that rate Trump will blow $53 billion on a steel barrier across the entire border. The CBO ran the numbers on Trumps political payoffs in his wall proposal will cost tax payers over $70 billion. Trump & Repubtards just signed a RECORD spending bill that adds another Trillion dollars per year to the debt!!! Gold price jumped over $10 today when they signed that insane spending bill into law.
wow, big government is back in style.
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Libs are going to be beside themselves !


President Donald Trump will sign the border-security agreement that heads off a government shutdown but declare a national emergency at the same time to build his proposed wall, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday. The agreement contains less money than Trump wanted but heads off another government shutdown after midnight Friday. McConnell did not give any more details of the emergency declaration while speaking on the Senate floor.

Trump will sign border bill and declare national emergency: McConnell

Trump will sign border bill and declare national emergency: McConnell

Published: Feb 14, 2019 3:10 p.m. ET

Go for it Donald! You don't have a hair on your ass if you don't.

I double-dog dare you to MAGA.

Me too. The pile-up will be epic.
 
That's a bipartisan Congress with their "continuing resolutions" and stuff.

That's not Trump.

Go ahead and see how many Czars are on the Trump administration payroll, how many bureau administrative jobs are no longer there.

Here's the latest thing that makes me really happy:

He's shutting down around 15 Administrative agenda-pushing library committee members.

They all make 6 figures.

The Repubs controlled all of congress for the 2017 and 2018 spending.

What you speak of is not spending cuts, it is spending moving. We are not spending less, that is a fact backed up by actual figures.

Those things you mention are good things, but they do not equate to spending cuts.

Do you think it's Trump inserting pork for his donors into the bills, dude? That's not even in his job description and you know it. Stop being a disingenuous asshat. You know damn well what's going on.

And if you 'on' know?

You betta axe somebody! :1peleas:
It is Trump that signs the bills into law and as such he bears the responsibility just as every president has done. Obama was held responsible and Trump will be also.
 

So what do we do about it?

There is only 1 solution that doesn't involve dragging corrupt politicians out and hanging them.

It's Article V Constitutional convention.

The 27th amendment needs repealed and all lobbying declared illegal.

Those caught taking bribes are fired immediately and go to jail and there's a runoff election.

No more immunity from insider trading laws, either.
Of all the bad decisions, ineptness, inattention, laziness, and inexperience in congress, corruption is probably the least of all problems yet as always it remains the focal point. The failures of congress is not due to corruption. It's due primarily to a complex system that depends on coalitions of members intent on representing their constituents which has been replaced by two puppet masters and 535 puppets.
 
'President Trump said Friday he is declaring a national emergency on the southern border, tapping into executive powers in a bid to divert billions toward construction of a wall even as he plans to sign a funding package that includes just $1.4 billion for border security.'

"We’re talking about an invasion of our country,"

"We will have a national emergency, and we will then be sued," Trump said, adding that the federal appeals courts could well rule against his administration. "Then we’ll end up in the Supreme Court, and hopefully we’ll get a fair shake, and we’ll win at the Supreme Court


“We’re going to confront the national security crisis on our southern border … one way or the other, we have to do it,” Trump said in the Rose Garden."




Democrats do not have a legal leg to stand on.

The Constitutional Power for the President to do this was given to him by Congress through law.

Presidents of both parties have declared National Emergencies approx. 59 times since it was 1st used by President Jimmy Carter.
Approx 32 of those National Emergencies remain in effect.



Not only does the President continue to fight for this nation's national sovereignty, border security, safety for citizens, and for enforcement of existing US law, he continues to put on display the despicable, brazen partisan opposition to all of that for the benefit of the Democratic Party in hopes of harming the President's Re-election chances in 2020.



After rushing to embrace AOC's insane 'Green New Deal' expected to cost as much if not more that $100 TRILLION in new debt, after California and Gov Newsom refuses to give tax payers back $3.1 Billion after scrapping their high speed rail project which that money was for, the Democrats' opposition to $5 billion for securing our southern border makes it obviously clear it has nothing to do with the money.


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The intent of law was to provide rapid response to immediate emergency situations that could not wait days or weeks for congressional action. The purpose of the law was never to subvert congress. Never did the writers of the bill consider that America would have a president who would use the law to take what congress refuses to give. Trump has opened Pandora's box. Closing it may prove to be impossible, a far more serious problem than how many miles of wall Trump get's built before the election.
 
McConnell caved on the National Emergency stance because he knows he is dealing with a mental degenerate. trump was ready to shut down the Government again if the National Emergency option was doomed. McConnell assured him that it isn't. McConnell caved to the whinging of a 12 year old aging man....

The Republicans show how small they really are...The Courts will need to stop the Dictator....
McConnell knew that another extended shutdown would be a disaster for the party in 2020 and Trump didn't give a shit. He would shutdown the government permanently rather than compromise.

Yet he did compromise and declared National Emergency, so you utterly fail with that post. Dumbass.
No, he compromised by signing the bill and declaring national emergency.
 
'President Trump said Friday he is declaring a national emergency on the southern border, tapping into executive powers in a bid to divert billions toward construction of a wall even as he plans to sign a funding package that includes just $1.4 billion for border security.'

"We’re talking about an invasion of our country,"

"We will have a national emergency, and we will then be sued," Trump said, adding that the federal appeals courts could well rule against his administration. "Then we’ll end up in the Supreme Court, and hopefully we’ll get a fair shake, and we’ll win at the Supreme Court


“We’re going to confront the national security crisis on our southern border … one way or the other, we have to do it,” Trump said in the Rose Garden."




Democrats do not have a legal leg to stand on.

The Constitutional Power for the President to do this was given to him by Congress through law.

Presidents of both parties have declared National Emergencies approx. 59 times since it was 1st used by President Jimmy Carter.
Approx 32 of those National Emergencies remain in effect.



Not only does the President continue to fight for this nation's national sovereignty, border security, safety for citizens, and for enforcement of existing US law, he continues to put on display the despicable, brazen partisan opposition to all of that for the benefit of the Democratic Party in hopes of harming the President's Re-election chances in 2020.



After rushing to embrace AOC's insane 'Green New Deal' expected to cost as much if not more that $100 TRILLION in new debt, after California and Gov Newsom refuses to give tax payers back $3.1 Billion after scrapping their high speed rail project which that money was for, the Democrats' opposition to $5 billion for securing our southern border makes it obviously clear it has nothing to do with the money.


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The intent of law was to provide rapid response to immediate emergency situations that could not wait days or weeks for congressional action. The purpose of the law was never to subvert congress. Never did the writers of the bill consider that America would have a president who would use the law to take what congress refuses to give. Trump has opened Pandora's box. Closing it may prove to be impossible, a far more serious problem than how many miles of wall Trump get's built before the election.

It's been since 1986, so yeah, it can't wait anymore. Time's up, Congress, you ain't worth a shit. You've had your chance every year since 1986. Now get out the way so we can get this done.
 
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'President Trump said Friday he is declaring a national emergency on the southern border, tapping into executive powers in a bid to divert billions toward construction of a wall even as he plans to sign a funding package that includes just $1.4 billion for border security.'

"We’re talking about an invasion of our country,"

"We will have a national emergency, and we will then be sued," Trump said, adding that the federal appeals courts could well rule against his administration. "Then we’ll end up in the Supreme Court, and hopefully we’ll get a fair shake, and we’ll win at the Supreme Court


“We’re going to confront the national security crisis on our southern border … one way or the other, we have to do it,” Trump said in the Rose Garden."




Democrats do not have a legal leg to stand on.

The Constitutional Power for the President to do this was given to him by Congress through law.

Presidents of both parties have declared National Emergencies approx. 59 times since it was 1st used by President Jimmy Carter.
Approx 32 of those National Emergencies remain in effect.



Not only does the President continue to fight for this nation's national sovereignty, border security, safety for citizens, and for enforcement of existing US law, he continues to put on display the despicable, brazen partisan opposition to all of that for the benefit of the Democratic Party in hopes of harming the President's Re-election chances in 2020.



After rushing to embrace AOC's insane 'Green New Deal' expected to cost as much if not more that $100 TRILLION in new debt, after California and Gov Newsom refuses to give tax payers back $3.1 Billion after scrapping their high speed rail project which that money was for, the Democrats' opposition to $5 billion for securing our southern border makes it obviously clear it has nothing to do with the money.


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The intent of law was to provide rapid response to immediate emergency situations that could not wait days or weeks for congressional action. The purpose of the law was never to subvert congress. Never did the writers of the bill consider that America would have a president who would use the law to take what congress refuses to give. Trump has opened Pandora's box. Closing it may prove to be impossible, a far more serious problem than how many miles of wall Trump get's built before the election.

It's been since 1986, so yeah, it can't wait anymore.

The Wall is going to be built one way or the other, Libs can buy crying towels on Amazon.
 
'President Trump said Friday he is declaring a national emergency on the southern border, tapping into executive powers in a bid to divert billions toward construction of a wall even as he plans to sign a funding package that includes just $1.4 billion for border security.'

"We’re talking about an invasion of our country,"

"We will have a national emergency, and we will then be sued," Trump said, adding that the federal appeals courts could well rule against his administration. "Then we’ll end up in the Supreme Court, and hopefully we’ll get a fair shake, and we’ll win at the Supreme Court


“We’re going to confront the national security crisis on our southern border … one way or the other, we have to do it,” Trump said in the Rose Garden."




Democrats do not have a legal leg to stand on.

The Constitutional Power for the President to do this was given to him by Congress through law.

Presidents of both parties have declared National Emergencies approx. 59 times since it was 1st used by President Jimmy Carter.
Approx 32 of those National Emergencies remain in effect.



Not only does the President continue to fight for this nation's national sovereignty, border security, safety for citizens, and for enforcement of existing US law, he continues to put on display the despicable, brazen partisan opposition to all of that for the benefit of the Democratic Party in hopes of harming the President's Re-election chances in 2020.



After rushing to embrace AOC's insane 'Green New Deal' expected to cost as much if not more that $100 TRILLION in new debt, after California and Gov Newsom refuses to give tax payers back $3.1 Billion after scrapping their high speed rail project which that money was for, the Democrats' opposition to $5 billion for securing our southern border makes it obviously clear it has nothing to do with the money.


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The intent of law was to provide rapid response to immediate emergency situations that could not wait days or weeks for congressional action. The purpose of the law was never to subvert congress. Never did the writers of the bill consider that America would have a president who would use the law to take what congress refuses to give. Trump has opened Pandora's box. Closing it may prove to be impossible, a far more serious problem than how many miles of wall Trump get's built before the election.

It's been since 1986, so yeah, it can't wait anymore.

The Wall is going to be built one way or the other, Libs can buy crying towels on Amazon.

Is there a such thing as a "crying towel"? Or did you make that up?
 
'President Trump said Friday he is declaring a national emergency on the southern border, tapping into executive powers in a bid to divert billions toward construction of a wall even as he plans to sign a funding package that includes just $1.4 billion for border security.'

"We’re talking about an invasion of our country,"

"We will have a national emergency, and we will then be sued," Trump said, adding that the federal appeals courts could well rule against his administration. "Then we’ll end up in the Supreme Court, and hopefully we’ll get a fair shake, and we’ll win at the Supreme Court


“We’re going to confront the national security crisis on our southern border … one way or the other, we have to do it,” Trump said in the Rose Garden."




Democrats do not have a legal leg to stand on.

The Constitutional Power for the President to do this was given to him by Congress through law.

Presidents of both parties have declared National Emergencies approx. 59 times since it was 1st used by President Jimmy Carter.
Approx 32 of those National Emergencies remain in effect.



Not only does the President continue to fight for this nation's national sovereignty, border security, safety for citizens, and for enforcement of existing US law, he continues to put on display the despicable, brazen partisan opposition to all of that for the benefit of the Democratic Party in hopes of harming the President's Re-election chances in 2020.



After rushing to embrace AOC's insane 'Green New Deal' expected to cost as much if not more that $100 TRILLION in new debt, after California and Gov Newsom refuses to give tax payers back $3.1 Billion after scrapping their high speed rail project which that money was for, the Democrats' opposition to $5 billion for securing our southern border makes it obviously clear it has nothing to do with the money.


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The intent of law was to provide rapid response to immediate emergency situations that could not wait days or weeks for congressional action. The purpose of the law was never to subvert congress. Never did the writers of the bill consider that America would have a president who would use the law to take what congress refuses to give. Trump has opened Pandora's box. Closing it may prove to be impossible, a far more serious problem than how many miles of wall Trump get's built before the election.

It's been since 1986, so yeah, it can't wait anymore.

The Wall is going to be built one way or the other, Libs can buy crying towels on Amazon.

Is there a such thing as a "crying towel"? Or did you make that up?

My Georgia girlfriend made me watch professional wrestling and 'crying towel' is accepted slang.
 
'President Trump said Friday he is declaring a national emergency on the southern border, tapping into executive powers in a bid to divert billions toward construction of a wall even as he plans to sign a funding package that includes just $1.4 billion for border security.'

"We’re talking about an invasion of our country,"

"We will have a national emergency, and we will then be sued," Trump said, adding that the federal appeals courts could well rule against his administration. "Then we’ll end up in the Supreme Court, and hopefully we’ll get a fair shake, and we’ll win at the Supreme Court


“We’re going to confront the national security crisis on our southern border … one way or the other, we have to do it,” Trump said in the Rose Garden."




Democrats do not have a legal leg to stand on.

The Constitutional Power for the President to do this was given to him by Congress through law.

Presidents of both parties have declared National Emergencies approx. 59 times since it was 1st used by President Jimmy Carter.
Approx 32 of those National Emergencies remain in effect.



Not only does the President continue to fight for this nation's national sovereignty, border security, safety for citizens, and for enforcement of existing US law, he continues to put on display the despicable, brazen partisan opposition to all of that for the benefit of the Democratic Party in hopes of harming the President's Re-election chances in 2020.



After rushing to embrace AOC's insane 'Green New Deal' expected to cost as much if not more that $100 TRILLION in new debt, after California and Gov Newsom refuses to give tax payers back $3.1 Billion after scrapping their high speed rail project which that money was for, the Democrats' opposition to $5 billion for securing our southern border makes it obviously clear it has nothing to do with the money.


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The intent of law was to provide rapid response to immediate emergency situations that could not wait days or weeks for congressional action. The purpose of the law was never to subvert congress. Never did the writers of the bill consider that America would have a president who would use the law to take what congress refuses to give. Trump has opened Pandora's box. Closing it may prove to be impossible, a far more serious problem than how many miles of wall Trump get's built before the election.

It's been since 1986, so yeah, it can't wait anymore.

The Wall is going to be built one way or the other, Libs can buy crying towels on Amazon.

Is there a such thing as a "crying towel"? Or did you make that up?

My Georgia girlfriend made me watch professional wrestling and 'crying towel' is accepted slang.


Was she one of the tall, skinny brunette types? Long straight hair, five 10 to 6'2", skinny but lithe? I can't say what mine told me in open chat, but I sure did like it.
 
The intent of law was to provide rapid response to immediate emergency situations that could not wait days or weeks for congressional action. The purpose of the law was never to subvert congress. Never did the writers of the bill consider that America would have a president who would use the law to take what congress refuses to give. Trump has opened Pandora's box. Closing it may prove to be impossible, a far more serious problem than how many miles of wall Trump get's built before the election.

It's been since 1986, so yeah, it can't wait anymore.

The Wall is going to be built one way or the other, Libs can buy crying towels on Amazon.

Is there a such thing as a "crying towel"? Or did you make that up?

My Georgia girlfriend made me watch professional wrestling and 'crying towel' is accepted slang.


Was she one of the tall, skinny brunette types? Long straight hair, five 10 to 6'2", skinny but lithe? I can't say what mine told me in open chat, but I sure did like it.

Pistol packing mama. Big and natural blond with blue eyes.
 
Libs are going to be beside themselves !


President Donald Trump will sign the border-security agreement that heads off a government shutdown but declare a national emergency at the same time to build his proposed wall, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday. The agreement contains less money than Trump wanted but heads off another government shutdown after midnight Friday. McConnell did not give any more details of the emergency declaration while speaking on the Senate floor.

Trump will sign border bill and declare national emergency: McConnell

Trump will sign border bill and declare national emergency: McConnell

Published: Feb 14, 2019 3:10 p.m. ET
If Gramm Rudman was unconst (and the Scotus said it was) I don't see how the national emergency law survives .... unless the scotus wants to play theoretical diddlylwinks by saying "congress can change it"

And McConnell will be all for amending the law to prevent misuse to just try and force spending congress won't allocate ... as soon as a dem is potus.
You know this law was meant to limit the powers of the president. The law allows the president to declare and emergency but also give congress the power to resend it.
I disagree that the law was ever about limiting the executive. Under the law the "emergency" exists when the president says so. Then to end the "emergency" congress must bipartisanly act to end the "emergency." The law is to allow congress not to act. It's lazy but the natural instinct is to have someone else to it for you, which is the path to totalitarianism ... or a monarchy. If the law was about anything else, it would provide an emergency automatically ends after some period of time unless Congress acts.

I think the laws really about the opposite. The revealing quote from Nixon - Frost is Nixon saying: if the president does it, it's not illegal.
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Nixon-say-When-the-President-does-it-that-means-that-it-is-not-illegal
I said the purpose of the law was to limit the president because previously there were a number of acts and court rulings under which the president might declare an emergency. The actual number was 470 which were mostly replaced by the new law. Some of these required Congressional oversight and others didn't. Some were perpetual and some had expiration periods. About the only thing in common to various statues and court rulings was the requirement to notify congress. This statue, unlike most of the previous statues, required the president to specify in detail the reason for the declaration, the actions planned, records of all orders and movement of funds, and periodic report to congress.

I agree the law stinks. The court actually removed veto power of the president making only a simple majority needed to resend the declaration. Unfortunately, congress passed and amendment restoring it. The act also gives the president far too much power without congressional approval.

The purpose of the law was to allow the president to act in a matter of hours in the case of a serious emergency where going to congress could take days or longer. It was also understood that the president would use this power for declarations that would have had unanimous support such as national disasters and attacks against the US such 911 and other matters in which passage by congress would have been a certainty. Until Trump, this was how the act was used. No president had used the act to subvert the will of congress.

Obviously, we need to change the law or future presidents will follow in Trump's footsteps which would be a transfer of power from congress to the president destroying valuable checks and balances. The problem is how do you get that legislation passed. Both sides are certainly drooling over the possibility of their man in the White House doing things that could never get passed by congress. Trump may well have opened Pandora's Box that has the potential of turning the government into an autocracy.

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Mr. Flopper, thank you for background on what was and should be. It definitely sounds reasonable. However, it was also issue specific, and only one phrase nags at me, probably for the wrong reason, but here goes: "the will of congress." That would be fine except for several harsh things about this particular congress. This congress has a number of individuals who do not speak for the majority of the American people and who take swipes at the Constitution like a goat butts a dead tree. They brought in several fresh faces this term, but one of them until stringently spoken to was mouthing off about jews as though Old World hatreds were acceptable to mainstream America. One of them recently threatened to take away peoples' rewards for a job well done or an invention made useful by raising ONLY THEIR taxes to 70%, to copy the European theatre that taxes people to an early grave in its best light. Our forefathers set in place a system of economics that reward people who come up with good ideas and placed patents and copyrights to safeguard and protect their inventions, ideas, methods. and even words in the hands of the Library of Congress. Some of these innovative persons were not born with a silver spoon in their mouths and when wealth comes their way, they often do not know how to manage finances, become overly generous to relatives, hangers on, and even the best of good causes. In other words, we try not to bury the Mozarts of America in unmarked mass graves. That's a huge mistake to raise taxes on such people. And who are they? People who turned a muddy creek bed into a precious stone that sparkles in the hearts and lives of other people.

I do not have confidence in this particular congress any more than people had Richard Nixon after Watergate. I also am skeptical of a press that takes up the banner of one party just to smite the other, 98% of the time with malice aforethought, taking their clues from whoever is their favorite redistributor of wealth, which is what many framers intimated in their private letters, that they were worried if taxes were passed on the people, future generations would see this as a means of their own personal wealth and plunder the nation's treasury. What if the press changed its mind about the Democrat Party and went with the Republican Party? Neither option to me is good. The press needs to regain the public's trust, which it no longer has with the antics of putting words into the mouths of every conservative speaker who has something to tell the American public, and it always harks back to a "gotcha!" It was great for Woodward and others to make a name for themselves by taking out a President, but it wasn't great when they let go every last error go, covered up, reworded, redefined, and ignored justice obstruction for another President who could do no wrong, considering the personal benefits accorded them from their getting on the money train bandwagon. The Republican Party cleaned house promptly in 1973 and has never tried to do that again. Yet an ambitious-to-a-fault first lady was caught interfering with the lives of 900 of her husband's rival, and the press gave her a pass when she mumbled something like "I forget" to a Congress who sicks the present dogs of the press on a new President for 2 years based on a false charge by a Special Counsel who was reprimanded by the courts for doing the same darn thing a number of years ago. Many people do not know the Special Counsel appointed by Democrats destroyed the lives of innocent people back then, but the courts know it, and the popular press ignores it. The only trouble is, the popular press is now walking on thin ice as angry people cancel their subscriptions in answer for inanities leveled at innocent men who instead of violating laws as the press insists had clean hands. Kavanaugh is one of them. Donald Trump is another.

This congress has tried a new President in the press a month before he took office, in fact, the threat was made to impeach the very next morning after his bid for president was made public that he won. Many of us view that as essential prejudice: judging a man guilty or bad or the n-word or whatever the latest personal hatred may be, and in this case, prior to his placing his hand on the Bible and pledging that he would provide for the common defense with God as his witness. They've tortured the first lady for her modeling career choices, acceptable in the land of her birth for centuries, but suddenly taboo here in America by a party who celebrates a young woman's coming of age not with a Debutante party, but with her first abortion, which is paid for by taxes from people whose religious leanings teach families to love the sinner while hating the poor judgment exercised in a moment of youthful passion.

In short, this congress is not the same one as in years before. Democrats give their members a warning, never a censure. They do not behave in an equal manner for their counterparts on the other side of the aisle. I've heard the word "impeach!!!" screeched out by both sides, but when a congressman comes up with the jew-hating language used by one of them last week, the only censure you hear about is a little wrist slap and a well-rehearsed apology that came obviously from a list of things you have to say, and not from that person's black heart that will carry punishment for Jewish people for life in this country and in this congress.

This congress needs to be confronted on a number of ill-advised "wins" it claims for itself while damning the President's staff to the hell of being constantly verbally assaulted in public by an untouchable Congressman--untouchable because she's a woman, and furthermore untouchable because she is black and demands a free pass or she will start a riot somewhere in her district if anybody in charge says one single word of reprimand in public about her. Some of us think of that in terms of something a lot more sinister than mental illness. It is precocious hatred demanding unreasonable concession and it is racially biased with roots in wrongdoing against people who are no longer alive, and taken out on innocent people of the wrongs of the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth centuries. Here we are in the twenty-first century. The debt is paid in full by efforts to furnish free housing, free medical, free food, free job training, jobs for everyone, equal pay, equal justice, and no matter what good is offered, it is getting to the point of nothing given is ever good enough. Uh, well, yes it is. And if we are going to have people from every background in congress, we deserve just as much wisdom from them as we had when cooler heads prevailed in congress. Where is discipline? Is that something you can only demand from white males, discipline? No, it's something the American people want from whoever is making decisions in Washington, but it's not happening in the Democrat Party, and the Democrat Party is playing brain dead right now, and for some reason, the press that used to keep politicians on an even keel are losing respect because they are unfairly targeting Democrat hate targets which is always aimed at their conservative adversaries.

The Democrat Party needs to take another approach, and that would be one of getting along with and avoidance of eating the liver of Republicans and creating the false scenario that conservatism is all bad. Um, no, it's not. It also needs to make sure it does not deliver any more frivolous lawsuits, or it will be faced with the will of the people who will override the "will of congress," if it continues with ear plugs and blinders to the majority of the people of this land, selling out to a village approach unlimited which has been tried elsewhere and winds up with deprivation of the masses and power in too few committee hands. The government needs to back off a bit, imho, and let people enjoy the earnings the sweat of their brow produces, not put everything in the pot for jew-haters you do not censure. And Maxine Waters' method of using her Congress seat to punish the Executive Branch under closer examination is pissing on the separation of powers, as are the frivolous lawsuits closed-door committees in the Democrat Party are inflicting on the President, not giving him the chance to do his job for the American people's common defense. If a dog doesn't back down, his owner buys a leash, pushes a spiral in the ground, and takes away supper for a couple of hours. Don't push that onto Republicans with frivolous lawsuits, keeping in mind that if the overbearing character assassinations continue, the bad karma this provokes is very bad for this nation, blessed by the Creator and forged by the fire of liberty and equality.
 

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