Trouble Brewing in Auto Loans as Prices Dip

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The largest US banks are warning of trouble ahead in auto loans as dropping prices for used cars risk leaving borrowers underwater.

Wells Fargo & Co. said that higher loss rates for loans it originated late last year contributed to an increase in write-offs for the period. Ally Financial Inc., the country's second-largest auto lender, saw charge-offs for retail auto loans quadruple in the third quarter. And Fifth Third Bancorp said it's pulling back on originations.

Used-car prices slumped 7% in the third quarter, the worst decline since the depths of the global financial crisis, according to data compiled by vehicle-auction company Manheim. The risk, investors fear, is that if consumers end up owing more than their cars are worth, they might stop making payments and let the vehicles be repossessed.

"There has been a real tightening in margins on new-auto production, on one hand, and on the other there's been a decline in used-car prices," Fifth Third Chief Executive Officer Tim Spence said in an interview. "That has caused us to throttle a bit back on production" of loans.

Ally warned investors this week that net charge-off rates may climb to 1.6% next year, a jump from 1.05% in the third quarter. Still, the rates remain below their pre-pandemic levels, and Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Brown was adamant his company doesn't need to pull back on originations.

When Wells Fargo first started to see signs of higher loss rates on loans it originated just last year, the firm moved fast to tighten underwriting standards. The changes, combined with the impact of continued supply-chain constraints, caused auto-loan origination volumes to plummet 40% in the third quarter from a year earlier.

Used-car prices jumped during the early days of the Covid-19 crisis, forcing borrowers who bought then to pay more -- and take out bigger loans -- for their vehicles. Those customers are now reevaluating whether it's worth remaining current on their payments, something that could prove "challenging for the auto-finance sector going forward," KeyCorp CEO Chris Gorman said in an interview.

While used-car prices have since declined, they remain elevated from pre-pandemic levels. Fifth Third is seeing more consumers -- especially those with subprime credit scores, whom the company doesn't typically lend to -- try to win concessions from lenders so they can keep their vehicles, Chief Credit Officer Richard Stein said.

"People, if they have a job, they want to keep their car -- they don't want to go buy new one," Stein said. "They're doing a lot of things to keep their car and to stay current or work through with the lenders."

Wall Street Warns of Trouble Brewing in Auto Loans as Prices Dip


When they’re giving out 8 year loans on a depreciating asset WTF did they think would happen?

I hope they all take a bath, borrowers and lenders alike.
 
The largest US banks are warning of trouble ahead in auto loans as dropping prices for used cars risk leaving borrowers underwater.

Wells Fargo & Co. said that higher loss rates for loans it originated late last year contributed to an increase in write-offs for the period. Ally Financial Inc., the country's second-largest auto lender, saw charge-offs for retail auto loans quadruple in the third quarter. And Fifth Third Bancorp said it's pulling back on originations.

Used-car prices slumped 7% in the third quarter, the worst decline since the depths of the global financial crisis, according to data compiled by vehicle-auction company Manheim. The risk, investors fear, is that if consumers end up owing more than their cars are worth, they might stop making payments and let the vehicles be repossessed.

"There has been a real tightening in margins on new-auto production, on one hand, and on the other there's been a decline in used-car prices," Fifth Third Chief Executive Officer Tim Spence said in an interview. "That has caused us to throttle a bit back on production" of loans.

Ally warned investors this week that net charge-off rates may climb to 1.6% next year, a jump from 1.05% in the third quarter. Still, the rates remain below their pre-pandemic levels, and Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Brown was adamant his company doesn't need to pull back on originations.

When Wells Fargo first started to see signs of higher loss rates on loans it originated just last year, the firm moved fast to tighten underwriting standards. The changes, combined with the impact of continued supply-chain constraints, caused auto-loan origination volumes to plummet 40% in the third quarter from a year earlier.

Used-car prices jumped during the early days of the Covid-19 crisis, forcing borrowers who bought then to pay more -- and take out bigger loans -- for their vehicles. Those customers are now reevaluating whether it's worth remaining current on their payments, something that could prove "challenging for the auto-finance sector going forward," KeyCorp CEO Chris Gorman said in an interview.

While used-car prices have since declined, they remain elevated from pre-pandemic levels. Fifth Third is seeing more consumers -- especially those with subprime credit scores, whom the company doesn't typically lend to -- try to win concessions from lenders so they can keep their vehicles, Chief Credit Officer Richard Stein said.

"People, if they have a job, they want to keep their car -- they don't want to go buy new one," Stein said. "They're doing a lot of things to keep their car and to stay current or work through with the lenders."

Wall Street Warns of Trouble Brewing in Auto Loans as Prices Dip


When they’re giving out 8 year loans on a depreciating asset WTF did they think would happen?

I hope they all take a bath, borrowers and lenders alike.

It was one year ago to this day that I totaled out a 2016 Nissan Versa by hitting a deer. You couldn't find a decent used car then, and everything in the lots had 250k miles on it. We had to drive clear across Iowa when we found a minty 2014 model that had only 60k miles on it, so we're good.

But with all the stimulus money gone, high inflation, the Biden Recession, high gas prices, and high interest rates, I'd hate to have to look for a used car right now.
 
Banks setting the stage to get bailed out again. Banks knew this when they made the loans.


They helped create a problem and it's one they will once again want the taxpayer to cover.
 
Banks setting the stage to get bailed out again. Banks knew this when they made the loans.


They helped create a problem and it's one they will once again want the taxpayer to cover.
Yeah, sort of like student loans.....Which BTW they started taking "orders" for this week. Happy Days for the deadbeats.
 
Banks setting the stage to get bailed out again. Banks knew this when they made the loans.


They helped create a problem and it's one they will once again want the taxpayer to cover.

How are banks going to get bailed out for auto loans?
 
The largest US banks are warning of trouble ahead in auto loans as dropping prices for used cars risk leaving borrowers underwater.

Wells Fargo & Co. said that higher loss rates for loans it originated late last year contributed to an increase in write-offs for the period. Ally Financial Inc., the country's second-largest auto lender, saw charge-offs for retail auto loans quadruple in the third quarter. And Fifth Third Bancorp said it's pulling back on originations.

Used-car prices slumped 7% in the third quarter, the worst decline since the depths of the global financial crisis, according to data compiled by vehicle-auction company Manheim. The risk, investors fear, is that if consumers end up owing more than their cars are worth, they might stop making payments and let the vehicles be repossessed.

"There has been a real tightening in margins on new-auto production, on one hand, and on the other there's been a decline in used-car prices," Fifth Third Chief Executive Officer Tim Spence said in an interview. "That has caused us to throttle a bit back on production" of loans.

Ally warned investors this week that net charge-off rates may climb to 1.6% next year, a jump from 1.05% in the third quarter. Still, the rates remain below their pre-pandemic levels, and Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Brown was adamant his company doesn't need to pull back on originations.

When Wells Fargo first started to see signs of higher loss rates on loans it originated just last year, the firm moved fast to tighten underwriting standards. The changes, combined with the impact of continued supply-chain constraints, caused auto-loan origination volumes to plummet 40% in the third quarter from a year earlier.

Used-car prices jumped during the early days of the Covid-19 crisis, forcing borrowers who bought then to pay more -- and take out bigger loans -- for their vehicles. Those customers are now reevaluating whether it's worth remaining current on their payments, something that could prove "challenging for the auto-finance sector going forward," KeyCorp CEO Chris Gorman said in an interview.

While used-car prices have since declined, they remain elevated from pre-pandemic levels. Fifth Third is seeing more consumers -- especially those with subprime credit scores, whom the company doesn't typically lend to -- try to win concessions from lenders so they can keep their vehicles, Chief Credit Officer Richard Stein said.

"People, if they have a job, they want to keep their car -- they don't want to go buy new one," Stein said. "They're doing a lot of things to keep their car and to stay current or work through with the lenders."

Wall Street Warns of Trouble Brewing in Auto Loans as Prices Dip


When they’re giving out 8 year loans on a depreciating asset WTF did they think would happen?

I hope they all take a bath, borrowers and lenders alike.
The Federal Reserve will bail them out. Too big to fail.
 
To JP Morgan Chase so they could buy Bear and Stearns. They gave them a loan but it didn't help.

So how are they going to bail out the banks today?
And why? Auto loans? That's only about a $1.5 trillion market.
And that's the entire market. Used cars is much smaller.
 

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