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Will they use these hearings to gather up all their evidence, take it into a courtroom, and start getting convictions on the "perps"?
This is the hope, that as more and more people find out about this that there will be the imputus to begin a real investigation by a prosecutor armed with subpoena power.
Then they are going to spend 4 days JAQing around, instead of getting justice for the victims.
This is the hope, that as more and more people find out about this that there will be the imputus to begin a real investigation by a prosecutor armed with subpoena power.
Then they are going to spend 4 days JAQing around, instead of getting justice for the victims.
They are going to spend four days publically reviewing all the evidence, something which has never been done before.
Obviously any justice would have to be meted out by our courts and there has not yet been a criminal investigation of 9-11, just a phony Commission made up of politicians, who may been involved, or maybe were only involved with CYA.
Hopefully, the hearings will motivate our Justice Department to open an investigation.
I think I know something becuase I watched a documentary explaining how such was possible. I am and have always been a student...I dont watch basic TV...I watch science shows and documentaries...news and sports....
Likewise, I applied my own logic and realized that the heat of the fire was greater than the heat that is used to melt steel commerically.
I also understood the physics as it pertained to the collapse..and why the pancake affect was not only possible...but very likely.
You and I dont need to see eye to eye on this....but do I warrant your ridicule? Am I ridiculing you?
I would like to point out an interesting request you made....
I challange any of you who think this can happen to find a strutural engineer (who is not already a 911 conspiracy denier)
The words in bold...
What is wrong with a structural engineer who has reviewed the scenario and has determined that such is possible?
So you are convinced there is some sort of conspiracy based on the information offered by structural engineers that are truthers (but not outspoken for privacy reasons), but those that are structural engineers that are deniers are not worthy of similar respect?
Do you not see the bias?
Why ridicule? Hers's a quote from your first reply "So, they are a group...with an agenda.....gee......that makes them credible.
LOL...there are 100 times as many successful and accredited Architects and Engineers that agree that the collapse was quite feasible in light of the intense heat created by jet fuel fires.
Seems like another Al Gore situation to me"
That's not ridicule?
As for your 'logic' that because people can work in a foundery where the heat is so intense that it can melt steel and that people exposed to the fire in the towers jumped because they were overpowered by the heat, that therefore it means that the heat in the towers was sufficient to melt steel (mind you melt, molten, is the operative word) is nonsense. Do a little research and you will find that hydrocarbon fires, those composed of hydrocarbon based fuels such as wood, paper, synthetic fibers like carpet, etc. cannot reach the temperatures needed to melt steel which is at least 2500F degrees. Hydrocarbon fires cannot exceed about 1500F degrees without adding compressed air or pure oxygen.
As for the "pancake theory", where did all the pancaked floors go? There were no floors stacked up at the bottom.
Why exclude those who are already convinced that it was an accident? Haven't they also shown their bias (I would say complicity)?
The only reason that this has gone on so long is those like you who are only too ready to ridicule those who say there was a conspiracy, in fact the perpetrators of 9-11 were counting on those like you to cover their tracks.
Boil it done and the fact remains that modern steel frame office towers can not collapse imto their own footprints due only to fire. It is an impossibility, yet Building 7 did just that more than six hours after the twin towers went down.
A lucky strike by Al-Queda, or very careful planning?
putting aside all of the stuff you just said, I need to ask you what you meant by one thing...
you asked...
Where did all the floors go?
What do you mean by that? Are you saying that it never really pancaked?
I ask as I was there....it was quite apparent where all the floors went...not sure why you say there were none at the bottom...the pile was seven stories high...why do you think there were no bodies? They were crushed...pulverized.....by the pancaking floors.
But I really need to know what you meant by "where did all the floors go"
Are you saying the buildings never went dfown? The did go down, but not pancake style?
I dont get it.
Then they are going to spend 4 days JAQing around, instead of getting justice for the victims.
They are going to spend four days publically reviewing all the evidence, something which has never been done before.
Obviously any justice would have to be meted out by our courts and there has not yet been a criminal investigation of 9-11, just a phony Commission made up of politicians, who may been involved, or maybe were only involved with CYA.
Hopefully, the hearings will motivate our Justice Department to open an investigation.
Why don't they bundle up all of their evidence, and have family members of some of the victims file a wrongful death suit against the "perps"? If they win one or two of those, that would lead to the criminal charges you so fervently desire.
Why ridicule? Hers's a quote from your first reply "So, they are a group...with an agenda.....gee......that makes them credible.
LOL...there are 100 times as many successful and accredited Architects and Engineers that agree that the collapse was quite feasible in light of the intense heat created by jet fuel fires.
Seems like another Al Gore situation to me"
That's not ridicule?
As for your 'logic' that because people can work in a foundery where the heat is so intense that it can melt steel and that people exposed to the fire in the towers jumped because they were overpowered by the heat, that therefore it means that the heat in the towers was sufficient to melt steel (mind you melt, molten, is the operative word) is nonsense. Do a little research and you will find that hydrocarbon fires, those composed of hydrocarbon based fuels such as wood, paper, synthetic fibers like carpet, etc. cannot reach the temperatures needed to melt steel which is at least 2500F degrees. Hydrocarbon fires cannot exceed about 1500F degrees without adding compressed air or pure oxygen.
As for the "pancake theory", where did all the pancaked floors go? There were no floors stacked up at the bottom.
Why exclude those who are already convinced that it was an accident? Haven't they also shown their bias (I would say complicity)?
The only reason that this has gone on so long is those like you who are only too ready to ridicule those who say there was a conspiracy, in fact the perpetrators of 9-11 were counting on those like you to cover their tracks.
Boil it done and the fact remains that modern steel frame office towers can not collapse imto their own footprints due only to fire. It is an impossibility, yet Building 7 did just that more than six hours after the twin towers went down.
A lucky strike by Al-Queda, or very careful planning?
putting aside all of the stuff you just said, I need to ask you what you meant by one thing...
you asked...
Where did all the floors go?
What do you mean by that? Are you saying that it never really pancaked?
I ask as I was there....it was quite apparent where all the floors went...not sure why you say there were none at the bottom...the pile was seven stories high...why do you think there were no bodies? They were crushed...pulverized.....by the pancaking floors.
But I really need to know what you meant by "where did all the floors go"
Are you saying the buildings never went dfown? The did go down, but not pancake style?
I dont get it.
I'm saying there were no pancaked floors. There was no stack of floors at the bottom. It was a pile of twisted steel but all the concrete floors turned to dust. If one floor landed on another and pancaked the building to the ground, shouldn't there have been a stack of about 100 concrete floor on the ground?
They are going to spend four days publically reviewing all the evidence, something which has never been done before.
Obviously any justice would have to be meted out by our courts and there has not yet been a criminal investigation of 9-11, just a phony Commission made up of politicians, who may been involved, or maybe were only involved with CYA.
Hopefully, the hearings will motivate our Justice Department to open an investigation.
Why don't they bundle up all of their evidence, and have family members of some of the victims file a wrongful death suit against the "perps"? If they win one or two of those, that would lead to the criminal charges you so fervently desire.
Who are ther perpetrators? Who would you file a suit against? This is the purpose of the hearings, to force a new investigation.
It would be easy to think of who could have been involved, but that is the wrong thing to do, start speculating.
We need an independent investigator armed with subpoena power. When the facts are discovered then we will be able to follow the trail to the perpetrators.
Why don't they bundle up all of their evidence, and have family members of some of the victims file a wrongful death suit against the "perps"? If they win one or two of those, that would lead to the criminal charges you so fervently desire.
Who are ther perpetrators? Who would you file a suit against? This is the purpose of the hearings, to force a new investigation.
It would be easy to think of who could have been involved, but that is the wrong thing to do, start speculating.
We need an independent investigator armed with subpoena power. When the facts are discovered then we will be able to follow the trail to the perpetrators.
But over the last 10 years, the TRUTHERSTM have been naming "perpetrators".
George Bush. Dick Cheney. Larry Silverstein. Condalisa Rice. Marvin Bush. NIST. FEMA. Securacom. NORAD.
Just to name a few.
No, but it seems it does to you.
So you think that all the floors pancaked together and when it finally contacted the ground that they all turned to dust? There would not be any broken pieces, it would all turn to dust? Don't you think that at least some of the pancaked floors would have remained? At least some portions? It all turned to dust?
That is not what we saw. We saw the towers turn to dust from the moment the collapse started.
Again, the pupose of this post is not to argue the points, but to make people aware of the issue and to hopefully get them to examine the evidence presented in Toronto. Why not keep an open mind and see?
Who are ther perpetrators? Who would you file a suit against? This is the purpose of the hearings, to force a new investigation.
It would be easy to think of who could have been involved, but that is the wrong thing to do, start speculating.
We need an independent investigator armed with subpoena power. When the facts are discovered then we will be able to follow the trail to the perpetrators.
But over the last 10 years, the TRUTHERSTM have been naming "perpetrators".
George Bush. Dick Cheney. Larry Silverstein. Condalisa Rice. Marvin Bush. NIST. FEMA. Securacom. NORAD.
Just to name a few.
Very true, all are suspects, but in our country they are considered innocent until proven guilty. There is overwhelming evidence of conspiracy, but who was involved is only speculation at this point. It is entirely possible that those you mentioned were duped and believed the same story as the rest of the country. This is why A&E for 9-11 Truth is advocating a new investigation. Only a real investigation can answer the questions.
But over the last 10 years, the TRUTHERSTM have been naming "perpetrators".
George Bush. Dick Cheney. Larry Silverstein. Condalisa Rice. Marvin Bush. NIST. FEMA. Securacom. NORAD.
Just to name a few.
Very true, all are suspects, but in our country they are considered innocent until proven guilty. There is overwhelming evidence of conspiracy, but who was involved is only speculation at this point. It is entirely possible that those you mentioned were duped and believed the same story as the rest of the country. This is why A&E for 9-11 Truth is advocating a new investigation. Only a real investigation can answer the questions.
And who would conduct this investigation? Who would be impartial enough that both sides would agree to, and would accept their findings?
the evidence was presented.
There was a documentary on it with very compelling evidence AND actual scale examples.
You know very little about steel AND jet fuel if you beleive a fire of such heat will not compromise the inegrity of the steel itself.
You are aware, I am sure, that the I-Beams are not mined and come out of the earth in that shape. They are MOLDED into that shape with...yep...you got it...intense heat.
Now, the heat was so intense, that it was seen that people...who were not directly in the face of the flame....jumped to their deaths as their skin was buring off their bones...not from the firebut from the intense heat.
In the meantime, men and women work in a mill with the heat to mold steel....literally FEET from the heat....so I have good logical reason to believe that if a man can withstand the heat strong enough to melt steel....and men jumpoed to their deaths due to the heat of the fire...then that heat MUST have been greater than the heat normally used to mold steele.
Now, you couple with that the IMMENSE weight of the structure ABOVE the steele that has been compromised, and you have exactly what we saw...a collapse.
And finally...and this is important...
The surface area of each individual floor was so vast, that the weight was distributed pretty equally...so when one corner started to collpase, it allowed all four corners to collapse together....resulting in the pancake collapse.
You should watch the documentary.....it may help you sl;eep better at night.
Saw it and your dead on.
That documentary pretty much blew all that conspiracy bs, point for point, right out of the water.
Hey...I spent September 12th from 6 AM to sept 14th at 12 noon down there....R and R...well it started as rescue and recovery but by friday it was really just recovery.
Lots of dust, rebar, and clkoth.....and paper everywhere...I was knee deep in wet paper..
Spent much of the time moving the cars and trucks out of the way of building 7 so they could put the fire out. If you recall, they couldnt get to the fire in taht building becuase of all of the cars and fire trucks that were destroyed by the heat and falling debris....
Claudette...it was a war zone down there....I will never forget the smell.
