Zone1 Time To Call Mass Shooters, And Those That Inspire Them What They Are - Terrorists

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Ergo , the definition can flip from terrorist, to freedom fighter Mari

Our Gub'mit views the Jan6th folks as the former, while i tend towards the latter

~S~

Do I know you? Only my friends & family call me Mari.

The people who stormed the Capital on January 6th were a bunch of dumbasses in my opinion BECAUSE they apparently didn't think about the consequences of their actions on their lives going forward.

Everytime I've attended a "protest" I researched the laws surrounding my rights to do so and proceeded being cognizant of the fact that people don't always comply with the laws including the police and that the situation could possibly go side-ways.

I've been fortunate that this never occurred and that we actually had a police escort for our Black Lives Matter march and protest back around 2015 if I recall correctly.

All of the people who participated in the Jan 6th attack on the Capital who hadn't even bothered to cast a vote for Trump (to help him win) are pathetic in my view in that they let their worship of Trump lead them into committing a series of crimes that many are still paying for.

Freedom fighters doesn't even come close to describing that group. Their behavior didn't even warrant them protection under the First Amendment because of the way they carried out their "redress of grievances".

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The walmart shootings was a personal grudge and not terrorism and we really don't know why the "they/them" creature shot the people in Colorado.

We should not twist the meaning of words simply because we have an agenda.

 

[jotathought]

Does the opening diatribe include black-on-black murders, gang related activities and the occasional large-scale riots like we saw with BLM in 2020-2021? Are these groups / individuals terrorists?

Regardless .. the often knee-jerk reaction to these type of scenarios is to treat the symptom and not the underlying problem. Label them what you wish .. it doesn't solve any problem.

 

[sparky]

Freedom fighters doesn't even come close to describing that group.

But being a political prisoner does Mari?

Because free nations do not have them

Because free countries allow protests , and do not condemn their participants to domestic terrorist status & lock 'em in some hole w/out due process....

Which most of your BLM deals got a pass on

POINT?

We can not carry the torch of freedom anywhere on this rock, if we can't serve as example to it ourselves...

~S~

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Terrorism: An act of violence to achieve a result associated with political or religious ends

Yes, THIS is the definition.

Most mass shooters don't fulfill this definition.

 

[Polishprince]

A terrorist attacked Club Q in Colorado Springs Saturday night. Another terrorist attacked WalMart workers in Virginia yesterday. It’s happened over 600 times this year. But nobody’s calling them terrorists, and that’s a problem for America.

We didn’t call the jihadis who blew up the Twin Towers “mentally ill,” “disgruntled,” or discuss their “troubled past.” We correctly called them terrorists because they used mass murder to try to “right a wrong” or achieve a political goal, which is the literal definition of terrorism.

Osama bin Laden was nowhere in the vicinity of 9/11 — we later learned he didn’t even know the details of the operation that he had inspired with his words and those who amplified his rhetoric until it happened — yet President Barack Obama tracked him down and killed him. Bin Laden wasn’t mentally ill, either: he was a terrorist.

Bin Laden was radicalized by mullahs in Saudi Arabia, and went off to Afghanistan to use terror to (successfully) drive out the occupying Russian “blasphemers.”

Here in America, media figures, politicians, and preachers — seeking fame, fortune, and power for themselves just like the Saudi mullahs — similarly radicalize angry or self-righteous men to commit acts of mass murder.

But when the men they’ve triggered practice their terrorism to frighten Black people, Jews, abortion providers, queer people, or even former employers into submission or invisibility — or to keep politicians in offices they lost — we call them “sick” or “troubled” or “mentally ill.”

The man who shot up Club Q in Colorado Springs has been called “deranged” in media headlines featuring his “troubled past.” He wasn’t deranged: he was a terrorist. So were the men who murdered Jews at the Tree of Life Synagogue and Black people at a Buffalo supermarket.

All had the mental competence to identify their victims, acquire their weapons, and execute their crimes. They may not live or think exactly like you and me, they may have had tough childhoods, but they’re not mentally ill: they’re terrorists.

The Arizona citizens who so threatened the life of the Maricopa County Supervisor, Republican Bill Gates, that he and his family went into hiding aren’t mentally ill. They’re malinformed — lied to — largely by a hierarchy of Republicans from former President Trump down to county officials, and worked into a rage by those lies broadcast across social media, podcasts, and the radio, but they’re not mentally ill: they’re terrorists.

— Members of the Klan, who murdered thousands of Americans over the decades and continue to advocate white supremacy today aren’t mentally ill: they’re terrorists.

— So-called militia members who go looking for street brawls and tried to murder Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi aren’t mentally ill: they’re terrorists.

— Politicians who engage in dog-whistle politics using antisemitic innuendo and darkening the faces of their Black opponents in TV ads aren’t mentally ill: they’re trying to inspire terrorists.

There are a few mass shooters who are clinically delusional, genuinely mentally ill, but they’re few and far between. And even they are similarly vulnerable to radicalization by preachers, politicians, and media figures who are hustling hate for their own selfish purposes.

A 2018 FBI study, looking in detail at the lives and backgrounds of 63 mass shooters from 2000 to 2013, found that, at most, about a quarter had a mental illness “of any kind” — which included things like depression and anxiety disorders — but only three out of the 63 had an actual psychotic disorder, what we usually think of when we attribute mental illness to a horrific act.

Mentally ill people, in fact, are more likely to be the victims of crimes than the perpetrators. By calling terrorists “mentally ill” or “troubled” we’re doing a terrible disservice to those tortured souls who actually suffer from mental illness.

That homeless guy with the wild hair who screamed incoherent obscenities at Louise as he chased her down a Portland street was genuinely mentally ill. Sixty out of 63 mass shooters the FBI looked at were not: they’re simply terrorists.

They hate Jews and Muslims, they hate Blacks, they hate queer people, they hate teachers, librarians, and election workers. But hate is not a mental illness: it’s a normal part of the spectrum of human emotion that we are all capable of experiencing.

And, in America today, that hate is all too often triggered by politicians and media figures who then sanctimoniously offer “thoughts and prayers” when random (or stochastic) terrorists to do their evil work for them.

Time to Call Mass Shooters - and Those Who Inspire Them - Terrorists

A terrorist attacked Club Q in Colorado Springs Saturday night. Another terrorist attacked WalMart workers in Virginia yesterday. It’s happened over 600 times this year. But nobody’s calling them terrorists, and that’s a problem for America. We didn’t...

www.dailykos.com

Terrorism: An act of violence to achieve a result associated with political or religious ends.

Most mass shootings have nothing to do with political or religious ends.

No one knows what the Non-Binary shooter in Colorado Springs political or religious beliefs are- although my guess is that they are liberal, otherwise we would already have definitive proof of them.

 

[hjmick]

The Clean Debate Zone is to be used for the clean debating of Government Policies, Candidates, Current News and Events. No personal attacks, name calling, flaming etc is allowed in this section.

Looks like at least one of us has adhered to those so far. I'm sure it's just an oversight, that will be honestly dealt with. /

Yeah, and an OP is supposed to contain some original content. What's your point?

 

[hjmick]

I agree with your premise, absolutely but there is a reason that these people aren't labeled terrorists. That's a legal definition that has rather dire implications beginning with a loss of rights that most people would object to and rightfully so, in my opinion.

HIS premise? HIS premise? Don't you mean you agree with the author of the cut and paste, Thom Hartmann's premise? Because not a single word in the OP belongs to skews13.

 

[Meister]

Thread closed, there is no actual comment from the OP.