CDZ Thousands of Complaints Do Little to Change Police Ways

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Below is part of a story about police misconduct complaints, which apparently does not change cop misbehavior. It's from the NY Times, which generally I take with a grain of salt or 2, so if anyone has a different take then by all means share it. Note the problems with holding a police officer accountable, and the difficulties and dangers an officer faces while on duty. And I think it's fair to say that some suspects are shall we say not that cooperative. Possibly for understandable reasons when they know they haven't done anything wrong, BUT you don't want to make an officer think his well-being are threatened.

Is it not feasible to give officers non-lethal means to subdue somebody that is strenuously resisting? If the guy is already handcuffed, then tie his feet together so he/she is unable to move. You don't have to keep your knee of somebody's neck for almost 9 minutes, right? And 17 misconduct complaints, WTF?

In nearly two decades with the Minneapolis Police Department, Derek Chauvin faced at least 17 misconduct complaints, none of which derailed his career.

Over the years, civilian review boards came and went, and a federal review recommended that the troubled department improve its system for flagging problematic officers.

All the while, Chauvin tussled with a man before firing two shots, critically wounding him. He was admonished for using derogatory language and a demeaning tone with the public. He was named in a brutality lawsuit. But he received no discipline other than two letters of reprimand.

It was not until Chauvin, 44, was seen in a video with his left knee pinned to the neck of a black man, prone for nearly nine minutes and pleading for relief, that the officer, who is white, was suspended, fired and then, on Friday, charged with murder.

His case is not unusual. Critics say the department, despite its long history of accusations of abuse, never fully put in place federal recommendations to overhaul the way in which it tracks complaints and punishes officers — with just a handful over the years facing termination or severe punishment.

Even as outrage has mounted over deaths at the hands of the police, it remains notoriously difficult in the United States to hold officers accountable, in part because of the political clout of police unions, the reluctance of investigators, prosecutors and juries to second-guess an officer’s split-second decision and the wide latitude the law gives police officers to use force.

Police departments themselves have often resisted civilian review or dragged their feet when it comes to overhauling officer disciplinary practices. And even change-oriented police chiefs in cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia — which over the last few years have been the sites of high-profile deaths of black men by white officers — have struggled to punish or remove bad actors.

 
Below is part of a story about police misconduct complaints, which apparently does not change cop misbehavior. It's from the NY Times, which generally I take with a grain of salt or 2, so if anyone has a different take then by all means share it. Note the problems with holding a police officer accountable, and the difficulties and dangers an officer faces while on duty. And I think it's fair to say that some suspects are shall we say not that cooperative. Possibly for understandable reasons when they know they haven't done anything wrong, BUT you don't want to make an officer think his well-being are threatened.

Is it not feasible to give officers non-lethal means to subdue somebody that is strenuously resisting? If the guy is already handcuffed, then tie his feet together so he/she is unable to move. You don't have to keep your knee of somebody's neck for almost 9 minutes, right? And 17 misconduct complaints, WTF?

In nearly two decades with the Minneapolis Police Department, Derek Chauvin faced at least 17 misconduct complaints, none of which derailed his career.

Over the years, civilian review boards came and went, and a federal review recommended that the troubled department improve its system for flagging problematic officers.

All the while, Chauvin tussled with a man before firing two shots, critically wounding him. He was admonished for using derogatory language and a demeaning tone with the public. He was named in a brutality lawsuit. But he received no discipline other than two letters of reprimand.

It was not until Chauvin, 44, was seen in a video with his left knee pinned to the neck of a black man, prone for nearly nine minutes and pleading for relief, that the officer, who is white, was suspended, fired and then, on Friday, charged with murder.

His case is not unusual. Critics say the department, despite its long history of accusations of abuse, never fully put in place federal recommendations to overhaul the way in which it tracks complaints and punishes officers — with just a handful over the years facing termination or severe punishment.

Even as outrage has mounted over deaths at the hands of the police, it remains notoriously difficult in the United States to hold officers accountable, in part because of the political clout of police unions, the reluctance of investigators, prosecutors and juries to second-guess an officer’s split-second decision and the wide latitude the law gives police officers to use force.

Police departments themselves have often resisted civilian review or dragged their feet when it comes to overhauling officer disciplinary practices. And even change-oriented police chiefs in cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia — which over the last few years have been the sites of high-profile deaths of black men by white officers — have struggled to punish or remove bad actors.

They have non-lethal means (hand cuffs) of restraining people and they were in use at the time the X-officer decided to enforce his will to torture that man (who was not resisting), until he died and then remained squatting on the dead mans neck until the medics arrived. This is just a case of an unbalanced officer and 3 lowlife enabling officers. I do suspect it was racially motivated. Police departments should, (but have not yet) done what it takes to weed out the sick individuals from their ranks. With his record, he should have been off the streets years ago. They lit a match to a fuse attached to a powder keg and were to warped to even know it or care, as they paid no attention to the dying man or the people filming and begging for his life, but too afraid they would be next at the hands of these authorities to interfere.
 
Legislators have militarized police forces over the past 40 years. Now we seek to penalize them for acting in an overly physical/militaristic manner. Legislatures and courts at the federal and state levels have done their best to completely erode the Bill of Rights to nothing. We have permitted cops to seize assets at will, search private property, listen to your every conversation, raid homes via warrants which are easier to obtain than a bus pass, and yet...we are fucking APPALLED because this happens.
You want your war on drugs and your war on terror but still have officers who are community minded...and sensitive to the needs of the public.
Yet NO ONE....has examined the training and use of force policy for the city of Minneapolis.
You cannot penalize the officer when his actions and methods were instructed and condoned PER POLICY by the city. Which they were. His restraint method is not only taught but explicitly permitted per policy.
But oh no!
We want officers who are nimble verbally, interpersonally adept, highly communicative, highly intuitive, and brutally efficient if the situation calls for it...at exactly the CORRECT time...that we deem...post episodic.
All for a starting salary of approximately $40K/Yr...
You stupid fucks...this is what you get...you have given your rights away! You are a slave,
This is what you get!
 
Below is part of a story about police misconduct complaints, which apparently does not change cop misbehavior. It's from the NY Times, which generally I take with a grain of salt or 2, so if anyone has a different take then by all means share it. Note the problems with holding a police officer accountable, and the difficulties and dangers an officer faces while on duty. And I think it's fair to say that some suspects are shall we say not that cooperative. Possibly for understandable reasons when they know they haven't done anything wrong, BUT you don't want to make an officer think his well-being are threatened.

Is it not feasible to give officers non-lethal means to subdue somebody that is strenuously resisting? If the guy is already handcuffed, then tie his feet together so he/she is unable to move. You don't have to keep your knee of somebody's neck for almost 9 minutes, right? And 17 misconduct complaints, WTF?

In nearly two decades with the Minneapolis Police Department, Derek Chauvin faced at least 17 misconduct complaints, none of which derailed his career.

Over the years, civilian review boards came and went, and a federal review recommended that the troubled department improve its system for flagging problematic officers.

All the while, Chauvin tussled with a man before firing two shots, critically wounding him. He was admonished for using derogatory language and a demeaning tone with the public. He was named in a brutality lawsuit. But he received no discipline other than two letters of reprimand.

It was not until Chauvin, 44, was seen in a video with his left knee pinned to the neck of a black man, prone for nearly nine minutes and pleading for relief, that the officer, who is white, was suspended, fired and then, on Friday, charged with murder.

His case is not unusual. Critics say the department, despite its long history of accusations of abuse, never fully put in place federal recommendations to overhaul the way in which it tracks complaints and punishes officers — with just a handful over the years facing termination or severe punishment.

Even as outrage has mounted over deaths at the hands of the police, it remains notoriously difficult in the United States to hold officers accountable, in part because of the political clout of police unions, the reluctance of investigators, prosecutors and juries to second-guess an officer’s split-second decision and the wide latitude the law gives police officers to use force.

Police departments themselves have often resisted civilian review or dragged their feet when it comes to overhauling officer disciplinary practices. And even change-oriented police chiefs in cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia — which over the last few years have been the sites of high-profile deaths of black men by white officers — have struggled to punish or remove bad actors.

They have non-lethal means (hand cuffs) of restraining people and they were in use at the time the X-officer decided to enforce his will to torture that man (who was not resisting), until he died and then remained squatting on the dead mans neck until the medics arrived. This is just a case of an unbalanced officer and 3 lowlife enabling officers. I do suspect it was racially motivated. Police departments should, (but have not yet) done what it takes to weed out the sick individuals from their ranks. With his record, he should have been off the streets years ago. They lit a match to a fuse attached to a powder keg and were to warped to even know it or care, as they paid no attention to the dying man or the people filming and begging for his life, but too afraid they would be next at the hands of these authorities to interfere.

But at what standard are they using with new recruits to join the police force?

Was Chauvin a qualified, capable police officer, meaning did he shows a level of educational excellence that would enable him to perform well and ethically?

I know of entrance standards for hiring varies from city to city, some cities accept people who don't finish high school, while others REQUIRE a High School Diploma, even a college degree for those seeking higher ranks I wonder if the poor performance of Policemen are related to low educational level requirements, and that those police department they work in don't strive for excellence is a reason why they accumulate bad police force.
 
Below is part of a story about police misconduct complaints, which apparently does not change cop misbehavior. It's from the NY Times, which generally I take with a grain of salt or 2, so if anyone has a different take then by all means share it. Note the problems with holding a police officer accountable, and the difficulties and dangers an officer faces while on duty. And I think it's fair to say that some suspects are shall we say not that cooperative. Possibly for understandable reasons when they know they haven't done anything wrong, BUT you don't want to make an officer think his well-being are threatened.

Is it not feasible to give officers non-lethal means to subdue somebody that is strenuously resisting? If the guy is already handcuffed, then tie his feet together so he/she is unable to move. You don't have to keep your knee of somebody's neck for almost 9 minutes, right? And 17 misconduct complaints, WTF?

In nearly two decades with the Minneapolis Police Department, Derek Chauvin faced at least 17 misconduct complaints, none of which derailed his career.

Over the years, civilian review boards came and went, and a federal review recommended that the troubled department improve its system for flagging problematic officers.

All the while, Chauvin tussled with a man before firing two shots, critically wounding him. He was admonished for using derogatory language and a demeaning tone with the public. He was named in a brutality lawsuit. But he received no discipline other than two letters of reprimand.

It was not until Chauvin, 44, was seen in a video with his left knee pinned to the neck of a black man, prone for nearly nine minutes and pleading for relief, that the officer, who is white, was suspended, fired and then, on Friday, charged with murder.

His case is not unusual. Critics say the department, despite its long history of accusations of abuse, never fully put in place federal recommendations to overhaul the way in which it tracks complaints and punishes officers — with just a handful over the years facing termination or severe punishment.

Even as outrage has mounted over deaths at the hands of the police, it remains notoriously difficult in the United States to hold officers accountable, in part because of the political clout of police unions, the reluctance of investigators, prosecutors and juries to second-guess an officer’s split-second decision and the wide latitude the law gives police officers to use force.

Police departments themselves have often resisted civilian review or dragged their feet when it comes to overhauling officer disciplinary practices. And even change-oriented police chiefs in cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia — which over the last few years have been the sites of high-profile deaths of black men by white officers — have struggled to punish or remove bad actors.

They have non-lethal means (hand cuffs) of restraining people and they were in use at the time the X-officer decided to enforce his will to torture that man (who was not resisting), until he died and then remained squatting on the dead mans neck until the medics arrived. This is just a case of an unbalanced officer and 3 lowlife enabling officers. I do suspect it was racially motivated. Police departments should, (but have not yet) done what it takes to weed out the sick individuals from their ranks. With his record, he should have been off the streets years ago. They lit a match to a fuse attached to a powder keg and were to warped to even know it or care, as they paid no attention to the dying man or the people filming and begging for his life, but too afraid they would be next at the hands of these authorities to interfere.

But at what standard are they using with new recruits to join the police force?

Was Chauvin a qualified, capable police officer, meaning did he shows a level of educational excellence that would enable him to perform well and ethically?

I know of entrance standards for hiring varies from city to city, some cities accept people who don't finish high school, while others REQUIRE a High School Diploma, even a college degree for those seeking higher ranks I wonder if the poor performance of Policemen are related to low educational level requirements, and that those police department they work in don't strive for excellence is a reason why they accumulate bad police force.
Not familiar with their training standards and it does not sound like I would approve. Only training of that type I ever had was in riot training at Ft Knox, Ky. I'll tell you straight, if you have a man in cuffs or zipties, you can stick a baton though his arms and two of the four officers could take him anywhere they wanted and put in any car on site if the goal was to control and transport. That was not the goal. It was a Chauvin power play thing that turned deadly because the officer had lost his basic humanity. Chauvin had been of the force for a number of years and had been reprimanded multiple times previously, apparently to no avail. The system there failed is true, but in the end we all have a sense of humanity or should have and that should have been in that murderous torturing officer, but wasn't. He is responsible for what he did and what it has cost that city and this nation.
 
Below is part of a story about police misconduct complaints, which apparently does not change cop misbehavior. It's from the NY Times, which generally I take with a grain of salt or 2, so if anyone has a different take then by all means share it. Note the problems with holding a police officer accountable, and the difficulties and dangers an officer faces while on duty. And I think it's fair to say that some suspects are shall we say not that cooperative. Possibly for understandable reasons when they know they haven't done anything wrong, BUT you don't want to make an officer think his well-being are threatened.

Is it not feasible to give officers non-lethal means to subdue somebody that is strenuously resisting? If the guy is already handcuffed, then tie his feet together so he/she is unable to move. You don't have to keep your knee of somebody's neck for almost 9 minutes, right? And 17 misconduct complaints, WTF?

In nearly two decades with the Minneapolis Police Department, Derek Chauvin faced at least 17 misconduct complaints, none of which derailed his career.

Over the years, civilian review boards came and went, and a federal review recommended that the troubled department improve its system for flagging problematic officers.

All the while, Chauvin tussled with a man before firing two shots, critically wounding him. He was admonished for using derogatory language and a demeaning tone with the public. He was named in a brutality lawsuit. But he received no discipline other than two letters of reprimand.

It was not until Chauvin, 44, was seen in a video with his left knee pinned to the neck of a black man, prone for nearly nine minutes and pleading for relief, that the officer, who is white, was suspended, fired and then, on Friday, charged with murder.

His case is not unusual. Critics say the department, despite its long history of accusations of abuse, never fully put in place federal recommendations to overhaul the way in which it tracks complaints and punishes officers — with just a handful over the years facing termination or severe punishment.

Even as outrage has mounted over deaths at the hands of the police, it remains notoriously difficult in the United States to hold officers accountable, in part because of the political clout of police unions, the reluctance of investigators, prosecutors and juries to second-guess an officer’s split-second decision and the wide latitude the law gives police officers to use force.

Police departments themselves have often resisted civilian review or dragged their feet when it comes to overhauling officer disciplinary practices. And even change-oriented police chiefs in cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia — which over the last few years have been the sites of high-profile deaths of black men by white officers — have struggled to punish or remove bad actors.

They have non-lethal means (hand cuffs) of restraining people and they were in use at the time the X-officer decided to enforce his will to torture that man (who was not resisting), until he died and then remained squatting on the dead mans neck until the medics arrived. This is just a case of an unbalanced officer and 3 lowlife enabling officers. I do suspect it was racially motivated. Police departments should, (but have not yet) done what it takes to weed out the sick individuals from their ranks. With his record, he should have been off the streets years ago. They lit a match to a fuse attached to a powder keg and were to warped to even know it or care, as they paid no attention to the dying man or the people filming and begging for his life, but too afraid they would be next at the hands of these authorities to interfere.

But at what standard are they using with new recruits to join the police force?

Was Chauvin a qualified, capable police officer, meaning did he shows a level of educational excellence that would enable him to perform well and ethically?

I know of entrance standards for hiring varies from city to city, some cities accept people who don't finish high school, while others REQUIRE a High School Diploma, even a college degree for those seeking higher ranks I wonder if the poor performance of Policemen are related to low educational level requirements, and that those police department they work in don't strive for excellence is a reason why they accumulate bad police force.
Not familiar with their training standards and it does not sound like I would approve. Only training of that type I ever had was in riot training at Ft Knox, Ky. I'll tell you straight, if you have a man in cuffs or zipties, you can stick a baton though his arms and two of the four officers could take him anywhere they wanted and put in any car on site if the goal was to control and transport. That was not the goal. It was a Chauvin power play thing that turned deadly because the officer had lost his basic humanity. Chauvin had been of the force for a number of years and had been reprimanded multiple times previously, apparently to no avail. The system there failed is true, but in the end we all have a sense of humanity or should have and that should have been in that murderous torturing officer, but wasn't. He is responsible for what he did and what it has cost that city and this nation.

To me his poor career record indicate that he was never a good hire for the job in the first place, the department he worked at didn't strive for excellence either as his numerous reprimands indicate.
 
It’s a Democrat shithole. Donald Trump didn’t run the police force. The city did.


But on the other hand I would expect criminal behavior to carry some risk.
 
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Below is part of a story about police misconduct complaints, which apparently does not change cop misbehavior. It's from the NY Times, which generally I take with a grain of salt or 2, so if anyone has a different take then by all means share it. Note the problems with holding a police officer accountable, and the difficulties and dangers an officer faces while on duty. And I think it's fair to say that some suspects are shall we say not that cooperative. Possibly for understandable reasons when they know they haven't done anything wrong, BUT you don't want to make an officer think his well-being are threatened.

Is it not feasible to give officers non-lethal means to subdue somebody that is strenuously resisting? If the guy is already handcuffed, then tie his feet together so he/she is unable to move. You don't have to keep your knee of somebody's neck for almost 9 minutes, right? And 17 misconduct complaints, WTF?

In nearly two decades with the Minneapolis Police Department, Derek Chauvin faced at least 17 misconduct complaints, none of which derailed his career.

Over the years, civilian review boards came and went, and a federal review recommended that the troubled department improve its system for flagging problematic officers.

All the while, Chauvin tussled with a man before firing two shots, critically wounding him. He was admonished for using derogatory language and a demeaning tone with the public. He was named in a brutality lawsuit. But he received no discipline other than two letters of reprimand.

It was not until Chauvin, 44, was seen in a video with his left knee pinned to the neck of a black man, prone for nearly nine minutes and pleading for relief, that the officer, who is white, was suspended, fired and then, on Friday, charged with murder.

His case is not unusual. Critics say the department, despite its long history of accusations of abuse, never fully put in place federal recommendations to overhaul the way in which it tracks complaints and punishes officers — with just a handful over the years facing termination or severe punishment.

Even as outrage has mounted over deaths at the hands of the police, it remains notoriously difficult in the United States to hold officers accountable, in part because of the political clout of police unions, the reluctance of investigators, prosecutors and juries to second-guess an officer’s split-second decision and the wide latitude the law gives police officers to use force.

Police departments themselves have often resisted civilian review or dragged their feet when it comes to overhauling officer disciplinary practices. And even change-oriented police chiefs in cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia — which over the last few years have been the sites of high-profile deaths of black men by white officers — have struggled to punish or remove bad actors.

They have non-lethal means (hand cuffs) of restraining people and they were in use at the time the X-officer decided to enforce his will to torture that man (who was not resisting), until he died and then remained squatting on the dead mans neck until the medics arrived. This is just a case of an unbalanced officer and 3 lowlife enabling officers. I do suspect it was racially motivated. Police departments should, (but have not yet) done what it takes to weed out the sick individuals from their ranks. With his record, he should have been off the streets years ago. They lit a match to a fuse attached to a powder keg and were to warped to even know it or care, as they paid no attention to the dying man or the people filming and begging for his life, but too afraid they would be next at the hands of these authorities to interfere.

But at what standard are they using with new recruits to join the police force?

Was Chauvin a qualified, capable police officer, meaning did he shows a level of educational excellence that would enable him to perform well and ethically?

I know of entrance standards for hiring varies from city to city, some cities accept people who don't finish high school, while others REQUIRE a High School Diploma, even a college degree for those seeking higher ranks I wonder if the poor performance of Policemen are related to low educational level requirements, and that those police department they work in don't strive for excellence is a reason why they accumulate bad police force.
Not familiar with their training standards and it does not sound like I would approve. Only training of that type I ever had was in riot training at Ft Knox, Ky. I'll tell you straight, if you have a man in cuffs or zipties, you can stick a baton though his arms and two of the four officers could take him anywhere they wanted and put in any car on site if the goal was to control and transport. That was not the goal. It was a Chauvin power play thing that turned deadly because the officer had lost his basic humanity. Chauvin had been of the force for a number of years and had been reprimanded multiple times previously, apparently to no avail. The system there failed is true, but in the end we all have a sense of humanity or should have and that should have been in that murderous torturing officer, but wasn't. He is responsible for what he did and what it has cost that city and this nation.
Do you ever wonder if these officers have no qualms about behaving this way in public with people recording their actions, what they've done in private away from prying eyes?
 
Do you ever wonder if these officers have no qualms about behaving this way in public with people recording their actions, what they've done in private away from prying eyes?

Did you wonder why, after one of the police found no pulse around 8:25 p.m., no one, not the police, not the medics, tried to resuscitate him?

Did you wonder why the medics noted the time of Floyd's death as 9:25 p.m., after a full hour without a pulse?
 
Below is part of a story about police misconduct complaints, which apparently does not change cop misbehavior. It's from the NY Times, which generally I take with a grain of salt or 2, so if anyone has a different take then by all means share it. Note the problems with holding a police officer accountable, and the difficulties and dangers an officer faces while on duty. And I think it's fair to say that some suspects are shall we say not that cooperative. Possibly for understandable reasons when they know they haven't done anything wrong, BUT you don't want to make an officer think his well-being are threatened.

Is it not feasible to give officers non-lethal means to subdue somebody that is strenuously resisting? If the guy is already handcuffed, then tie his feet together so he/she is unable to move. You don't have to keep your knee of somebody's neck for almost 9 minutes, right? And 17 misconduct complaints, WTF?

In nearly two decades with the Minneapolis Police Department, Derek Chauvin faced at least 17 misconduct complaints, none of which derailed his career.

Over the years, civilian review boards came and went, and a federal review recommended that the troubled department improve its system for flagging problematic officers.

All the while, Chauvin tussled with a man before firing two shots, critically wounding him. He was admonished for using derogatory language and a demeaning tone with the public. He was named in a brutality lawsuit. But he received no discipline other than two letters of reprimand.

It was not until Chauvin, 44, was seen in a video with his left knee pinned to the neck of a black man, prone for nearly nine minutes and pleading for relief, that the officer, who is white, was suspended, fired and then, on Friday, charged with murder.

His case is not unusual. Critics say the department, despite its long history of accusations of abuse, never fully put in place federal recommendations to overhaul the way in which it tracks complaints and punishes officers — with just a handful over the years facing termination or severe punishment.

Even as outrage has mounted over deaths at the hands of the police, it remains notoriously difficult in the United States to hold officers accountable, in part because of the political clout of police unions, the reluctance of investigators, prosecutors and juries to second-guess an officer’s split-second decision and the wide latitude the law gives police officers to use force.

Police departments themselves have often resisted civilian review or dragged their feet when it comes to overhauling officer disciplinary practices. And even change-oriented police chiefs in cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia — which over the last few years have been the sites of high-profile deaths of black men by white officers — have struggled to punish or remove bad actors.

They have non-lethal means (hand cuffs) of restraining people and they were in use at the time the X-officer decided to enforce his will to torture that man (who was not resisting), until he died and then remained squatting on the dead mans neck until the medics arrived. This is just a case of an unbalanced officer and 3 lowlife enabling officers. I do suspect it was racially motivated. Police departments should, (but have not yet) done what it takes to weed out the sick individuals from their ranks. With his record, he should have been off the streets years ago. They lit a match to a fuse attached to a powder keg and were to warped to even know it or care, as they paid no attention to the dying man or the people filming and begging for his life, but too afraid they would be next at the hands of these authorities to interfere.

But at what standard are they using with new recruits to join the police force?

Was Chauvin a qualified, capable police officer, meaning did he shows a level of educational excellence that would enable him to perform well and ethically?

I know of entrance standards for hiring varies from city to city, some cities accept people who don't finish high school, while others REQUIRE a High School Diploma, even a college degree for those seeking higher ranks I wonder if the poor performance of Policemen are related to low educational level requirements, and that those police department they work in don't strive for excellence is a reason why they accumulate bad police force.
Not familiar with their training standards and it does not sound like I would approve. Only training of that type I ever had was in riot training at Ft Knox, Ky. I'll tell you straight, if you have a man in cuffs or zipties, you can stick a baton though his arms and two of the four officers could take him anywhere they wanted and put in any car on site if the goal was to control and transport. That was not the goal. It was a Chauvin power play thing that turned deadly because the officer had lost his basic humanity. Chauvin had been of the force for a number of years and had been reprimanded multiple times previously, apparently to no avail. The system there failed is true, but in the end we all have a sense of humanity or should have and that should have been in that murderous torturing officer, but wasn't. He is responsible for what he did and what it has cost that city and this nation.
Do you ever wonder if these officers have no qualms about behaving this way in public with people recording their actions, what they've done in private away from prying eyes?
Point taken. I would rather not speculate what they do when not being filmed, especially from 800 miles away. It would probably bum me out. There have been good Law Enforcement Officers and bad in this country and others, clean back to the Sheriff of Nottingham in England and before. Power sometimes attracts the wrong people or they can get corrupted on the job or by the job and nobody knows until somebody finds out. Happens in military and private civilian life and of course the political world also. In civilian life we just call them criminal. Most people and Law Enforcement Officers are usually good people, at least down here. The bad apples give them all a bad name and make trouble in a wide variety of ways until caught, replaced, acts get cleaned up for a while and then happens again. We have a right to expect good public servants, just like in civilian world management we have the right to expect honest employee, but I have fired a few who were thieves or violent. If I sound "matter of fact" about it, probably because I have seen it all and am retired.
 
List of killings by law enforcement officers by country (Historical data)

U.S., about a thousand (per year).

UK: 0 to 6

Germany: 6 to 14

France: 10 to 26

Australia: 1 to 10

Canada: 23 to 41

There's always that thing about "getting the government they deserve."

America is in 33rd place on the list, per capita killings.

It is misleading since you don't show how many are actual murders.

America has a large drug trafficking and Gang problem, much bigger that those countries you listed and much closer to Mexico, Columbia and other drug producing nations of South and Central America.
 
America is in 33rd place on the list, per capita killings.

Yep, I saw that - right between Rwanda, Mexico and Bangladesh, Pakistan, those noted exemplars of excellent governance and peaceable populations.

I pointed this 33rd place out and the extenuating factors you completely left out to show that what you presented was misleading.

Still waiting to see how many of them were actual murders..........,
 
I pointed this 33rd place out and the extenuating factors you completely left out to show that what you presented was misleading.

Still waiting to see how many of them were actual murders..........,

Yes, I saw you point out that place, and also your claim to "extenuating" circumstances you apparently thought would make that comparison with Rwanda and Mexico anything other than utterly embarrassing for any First World nation.

In case you actually wait for the number of murders, I hope you like to wait. I provided the number of "police killings". If you want other information, I would suggest you do your homework yourself, instead of lazily shoving it off to somebody else.
 
I don't see a justification for Chauvin still being a field officer with 18 complaints against him. Maybe one thing that could be done is a review of active duty officers with multiple complaints of violence against them and put them behind a desk.
 
I don't see a justification for Chauvin still being a field officer with 18 complaints against him. Maybe one thing that could be done is a review of active duty officers with multiple complaints of violence against them and put them behind a desk.

I think after no more than 3 justified complaints an officer goes behind the desk for 3-6 months before returning to the street, with the understanding that the next one gets him fired. I support our police officers, it's a tough and dangerous job but the PD and the city can't let this shit go on and on. Justified meaning the complaint was valid. Also, the seriousness of the complaint counts, it's one thing to get a little rough but it's another to kill somebody.
 
I pointed this 33rd place out and the extenuating factors you completely left out to show that what you presented was misleading.

Still waiting to see how many of them were actual murders..........,


Extenuating factors don't matter. Either the stats are correct or they are not. You cannot cherrypick parts of it by bringing up gangs etc. All countries have those problems. It's part of your society. It is what you are. It's like saying if you take all the red, blue and green cars off the road, most will be white. But you haven't taken those cars off the road. They are still there. Very piss weak argument.
 

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