This is why Trump had every right to fire Atkinson.

The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

.
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

Child? Really now.

So now you are claiming the Office of the President is exempt from whistle blower laws.

And you say WE violate the law?

How many many more excuses are you going to come up with?
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

Child? Really now.

So now you are claiming the Office of the President is exempt from whistle blower laws.

And you say WE violate the law?

How many many more excuses are you going to come up with?


When are you going to admit the ICIG didn't have the legal authority to accept or act on that bullshit complaint and deserved to be fired. That's the topic of this thread.

Edit, I note you posted no law or reg the dumb ass followed.

.
 
As is usually the case, you can't believe the MSM lies.

According to new reports, former Intelligence Inspector General Michael Atkinson was involved in the debunked Russian collusion story and the abuse of FISA authority. This adds to claims of his mishandling of the Ukraine whistleblower case.





Really, Trump could have fired him because he diddnt like his tie.
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

Child? Really now.

So now you are claiming the Office of the President is exempt from whistle blower laws.

And you say WE violate the law?

How many many more excuses are you going to come up with?


Why not? Congress is. Why isn't the presidant?
 
I can't wait to see the carnage in DC after Trump secures a win in November...Trump will fire them all....including Wray....
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

Child? Really now.

So now you are claiming the Office of the President is exempt from whistle blower laws.

And you say WE violate the law?

How many many more excuses are you going to come up with?


Why not? Congress is. Why isn't the presidant?


:linky:

.
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

Child? Really now.

So now you are claiming the Office of the President is exempt from whistle blower laws.

And you say WE violate the law?

How many many more excuses are you going to come up with?


Why not? Congress is. Why isn't the presidant?


:linky:

.


To which?
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

Child? Really now.

So now you are claiming the Office of the President is exempt from whistle blower laws.

And you say WE violate the law?

How many many more excuses are you going to come up with?


When are you going to admit the ICIG didn't have the legal authority to accept or act on that bullshit complaint and deserved to be fired. That's the topic of this thread.

Edit, I note you posted no law or reg the dumb ass followed.

.

Because you didn’t post anything specifically showing he did NOT have authority to accept or act on it.
Multiple people have already posted what the law is and how he followed procedure and you just ignore it.
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

Child? Really now.

So now you are claiming the Office of the President is exempt from whistle blower laws.

And you say WE violate the law?

How many many more excuses are you going to come up with?


Why not? Congress is. Why isn't the presidant?


:linky:

.


To which?


Both.

.
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

Child? Really now.

So now you are claiming the Office of the President is exempt from whistle blower laws.

And you say WE violate the law?

How many many more excuses are you going to come up with?


When are you going to admit the ICIG didn't have the legal authority to accept or act on that bullshit complaint and deserved to be fired. That's the topic of this thread.

Edit, I note you posted no law or reg the dumb ass followed.

.

Because you didn’t post anything specifically showing he did NOT have authority to accept or act on it.
Multiple people have already posted what the law is and how he followed procedure and you just ignore it.


I posted the topics on which he could receive an urgent concern complaint, here's another clue, a presidential diplomatic phone call didn't fall in any of them.

.
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

Child? Really now.

So now you are claiming the Office of the President is exempt from whistle blower laws.

And you say WE violate the law?

How many many more excuses are you going to come up with?


Why not? Congress is. Why isn't the presidant?


:linky:

.


To which?


Both.

.


Okay hold on. Opinion first though. Trump is the boss like Obama was before him, Dubya before him, Clinton before him. All those guys were allowed to fire whomever they want when they want for any reason they want. It's only been an issue for trump. Then we got congress. Insider trading, top secret lists of tax payer money being used to keep women with sexual harassment complaints quiet and no news outlet asks a single question about that, but trump fires the guy I charge of Russia 2.0 and it's a big deal? Honestly, had it been me I would have made sure he heard he was fired on the news like Comey.
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

.
And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

.
You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

.

Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

.

The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

.

No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

Child? Really now.

So now you are claiming the Office of the President is exempt from whistle blower laws.

And you say WE violate the law?

How many many more excuses are you going to come up with?


Why not? Congress is. Why isn't the presidant?


:linky:

.


To which?


Both.

.


Okay hold on. Opinion first though. Trump is the boss like Obama was before him, Dubya before him, Clinton before him. All those guys were allowed to fire whomever they want when they want for any reason they want. It's only been an issue for trump. Then we got congress. Insider trading, top secret lists of tax payer money being used to keep women with sexual harassment complaints quiet and no news outlet asks a single question about that, but trump fires the guy I charge of Russia 2.0 and it's a big deal? Honestly, had it been me I would have made sure he heard he was fired on the news like Comey.


Agreed, but I would have had security escort him out of the building, no 30 days notice.

.
 
He can fire anyone he wants and doesn't need a reason or explanation. You must also consider the top secret things that can't be told to the public that could cause reasons for termination.
 
The thing is, he did not mishandle the whistle blower case.
You sure about that?

Here is what he did that shows he tried hard to advance a bogus whistleblower claim, he changed the rules AFTER he got the report, to keep it viable since the rules makes clear the Whistleblower has to be an actual witness, but Atkinson waived that pesky rule to allow second/third hand claims be allowed for a contrived/useless whistleblower claim.

ICIG Michael Atkinson Attempts Four-Page Justification for Changing “Urgent Concern” Whistle-blower Guidelines…

Posted on September 30, 2019 by sundance

Excerpt:

Methinks Mr. Atkinson doth protest too much. Prior to the current “whistle-blower complaint” the Intelligence Community Inspector General did not accept Urgent Concern whistle-blower claims without first hand knowledge. However, the ICIG revised the protocol in August 2019 to accept a CIA complaint against President Donald Trump.

Today the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Michael Atkinson, presented a four-page justification explaining why the IC changed the Urgent Concern rules to allow the CIA to target President Trump with anonymous complaints based on hearsay:

bolding mine

His 4 page bullshit in the LINK

=====

Read the rest of the link to see WHY they changed the rules, it involved Schiff, Burr and the turd Atkinson.

I remember this clearly from last year, he changed the rule to promote a hearsay whistleblower claim.

======

More about this turd Atkinson:

Dirty Business – ICIG Atkinson Receives Ethics Complaint Against CIA ‘Whistleblower’, Goes to Schiff Basement for Talks…


ICIG Michael Atkinson is the link that connects Spygate to the Schiff Impeachment Effort

Chad Pergram noted that Intelligence Community Inspector General (IGIC) Michael Atkinson was spotted today going into HPSCI Chairman Schiffs’ basement bunker for discussions with the impeachment inquisitors.
WHAT EXACTLY is BULL SHIT ABOUT IT? I read the 4 page report, there was no bullshit in it??

Can you point out what was bullshit to you? Or are you just parroting fake news from right wing bloggers that you call news?

Atkinson, simply followed THE LAW that stated he SHALL turn over all designated urgent whistle blower complaints to congress within 10 days, and that pissed trump off.... and that is why he fired the man he hired..... and trump does not hire Democrats, so you KNOW Atkinson is a Republican.


Perhaps you can quote the law that gave Atkinson the authority to accept a complaint concerning a presidential diplomatic phone call. But I doubt it, since it doesn't exist. Read the limitations in the ICIG law. He's restricted to matters falling with the authority and responsibility of the DNI.

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And the DNI director testified the whistleblower complaint fell within those guidelines.

The end.


So quote the guidelines. COWARD!

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You made the claim. Quote it.


The statute authorizes the ICIG to “receive and investigate ... complaints or information from any person concerning the existence of an activity within the authorities and responsibilities of the Director of National Intelligence constituting a violation of laws, rules or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to the public health and safety.”


Defines a matter of "urgent concern" for purposes of this Act as: (1) a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information; (2) a false statement to the Congress, or willful withholding from the Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the administration or operation of an intelligence activity; or (3) an action constituting reprisal in response to an employee's reporting of an urgent concern.


Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) of 1998 provides a secure means for employees to report to Congress allegations regarding classified information. The ICWPA is a statute that provides a process by which employees, or contractor employees, of IC elements can report matters of "urgent concern" to the intelligence committees of Congress.

An "urgent concern" is defined as:

  • A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinion concerning public policy matters.
  • A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity.

Now show how a presidential diplomatic phone call falls within the authority or responsibility of the DNI, or involves the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity. Here's a clue commie, you must first prove the DNI has responsibility or authority over anything his boss does.

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Two points:

Intelligence and National Security and Foreign Affairs are intertwined. There are no convenient hard borders of “responsibility”. Nothing you posted actually outlines the responsibilities or limits there of, of the DNI, a broad position.

Your point about ”not a difference in policy”...is irrelevant. The complaint was not about policy. There was no “policy” being played out. In fact, it was contravening our long standing policy of supporting Ukraine against Russia while also addressing corruption (remember, prior to the Congressional release of the aid, the military intelligence had cleared Ukraine for aid, finding Ukraine had made substantial steps in addressing corruption). Wha the whistle blower reported was not a policy difference but a call AND a series of actions to hide that call, which looked like extortion for personal gain. It was appropriate to report it.


Oh bullshit, no agency had certified the new Ukraine admin, the new parliament hadn't even been seated at the time of the call. And a presidential diplomatic phone call does not fall within the authority or responsibility of the DNI and it's damn sure not an intelligence activity. You can try to read into the responsibilities of the DNI all you want, that doesn't alter the fact that the ICIG got way outside his lane and deserved to be fired. I proved it and all you need to do is admit it and STFU.

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The only thing you are showing us is you are a bit ignorant on how things really work.

For example...."a simple diplomatic phone call"

Who listens to the call?
Traditionally, officials from the US national security council (NSC) brief the president before a call with a foreign leader. Then the briefers sit in the Oval Office with the president while he speaks on the phone with the foreign leader. "At least two members of the NSC are usually present," according to USA Today.

There will also be officials sitting in a secure room in another part of the White House, listening to the president's call and taking notes. Their notes are known as a "memorandum of telephone conversation", and like many things in Washington it has an abbreviation: "memcon".

The president's calls with foreign leaders are also transcribed by computers. Afterwards, as former White House officials explain, the human note takers compare their impressions with an electronic version of the call. The notes from the officials and from the computerised transcriptions are combined into one document. This transcript may not be perfect, but it is done as carefully as time and resources allow.


More deflection. This thread isn't about the phone call, it's to determine if the ICIG did his job according to the law and rules, he didn't, and deserved to be fired. Why are you commies trying to complicate it?

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No deflection. Simply showing you what goes on with "diplomatic calls" since you didn't appear to know, just as you don't appear to understand how both intelligence and national security are intertwined.

The ICIG did his job according to the rules. The only ones who doesn't think so are Trump and his rabid supporters. Why are you fascists supporting a lawless and unaccountable chief executive?


Well child I posted the rules and the law, feel free to point to which portions the ICIG complied with. Here's another little clue for ya commie. The office of the president is not subject to any whisleblower laws. The authority of any IG is confined to the agency in which they serve, that's the law. Of course the law means nothing to you commies when you think you have something to gain by violating them. Carry on commie, I've proved my point.

Child? Really now.

So now you are claiming the Office of the President is exempt from whistle blower laws.

And you say WE violate the law?

How many many more excuses are you going to come up with?


Why not? Congress is. Why isn't the presidant?


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To which?


Both.

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Okay hold on. Opinion first though. Trump is the boss like Obama was before him, Dubya before him, Clinton before him. All those guys were allowed to fire whomever they want when they want for any reason they want. It's only been an issue for trump. Then we got congress. Insider trading, top secret lists of tax payer money being used to keep women with sexual harassment complaints quiet and no news outlet asks a single question about that, but trump fires the guy I charge of Russia 2.0 and it's a big deal? Honestly, had it been me I would have made sure he heard he was fired on the news like Comey.


Agreed, but I would have had security escort him out of the building, no 30 days notice.

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Like I said. Just like Comey learned he was fired from CNN at the airport. I thought that was po class of Trump at first, but the rabid left has guaranteed that I punch the paper for Trump in 2020.
 

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