THIS is the real gun violence problem in the US ( and it's the government's fault)

[AZrailwhale]

Weren't all of the illegal guns, LEGAL guns when the manufacturer produced and sold them? How are these LEGAL guns, getting in to the hands of criminals making them illegal guns?

That's where the root of the problem is....not AFTER they have committed a crime with the illegal gun.

There is no difference between a LEGAL and ILLEGAL gun. What is illegal is the person in possession of the gun. I am exempting fully automatic firearms from that statement, those built after 1986 (I believe) are illegal for anyone except law enforcement or the military to possess.

 

[AZrailwhale]

But that is where the illegal possession of the gun, starts. And it is a black market that needs crushing from every angle! Those who supply the guns to those who peddle the guns to criminals.

Sure, if there is space in our prisons, go after those caught later too.....

All you have to do is punish criminals in possession of a gun severely. That's easy to do. If someone is providing guns to criminals, they are a criminal themselves. The laws are already there, the only thing needed is to enforce them.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So how do you stop the theft and straw buyers?

Straw buyers are criminals, punish them. Theft will be reduced by punishing the criminals who use guns.

 

[2aguy]

Do illegal gun owners commit most gun crime?

U.S. Rep. John Faso says he opposes some gun-control measures because they target the wrong people. Laws that limit the

www.politifact.com

The real problem with guns and crime in this country is 100% the fault of our State and Federal government's abdication of their responsibilities to enforce the gun laws we have on the books. State prosecutors regularly drop gun charges in pleas deals and even though every single instance of illegal possession of a firearm is a federal crime, these crimes are not tried by federal prosecutors in federal courts.


Now the gun control freaks like to put the blame on all law abiding citizens who legally and responsibly own and use guns. This is proven by the constant call for more and more and more gun laws that target law abiding citizens and not criminals. These laws are not meant to be put on the books to be enforced but rather the strategy of gun control freaks is to falsely claim that even though we have literally thousands of gun laws on the books gun violence hasn't been brought under control.

No laws work if the powers that be refuse to take responsibility for enforcing those laws. So it's time to hold the President, State governors and city mayors, the US attorney's office, State District Attorney's offices and every single politician at state and federal levels accountable for their dereliction of duty.

Let’s fix your post a little……,place Democrat Party where you have “government,” and it will be far more accurate…

 

[2aguy]

I love it. Members of the party of personal responsibility are not responsible for the government they elect.

We didn't vote for democrats...the democrats are the ones releasing violent gun criminals and destroying local police forces.....we tried to vote against them, but the people in democrat party controlled cities keep voting for them.......

 

[2aguy]

What? All crime with firearms is done by criminals, Shirley? Like the criminal prominent lawyer from SC.

Yes.......that is a fact....over 95% of all gun crime is committed by actual criminals, not normal people....

I know idiots like you think that normal people simply start murdering people just because they own a gun......that is because you are idiots who don't care about facts, truth and reality....

The Criminology of Firearms

The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.


While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.


Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."

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The lack of a clear causal link between lawful gun ownership and violent crime rates is unsurprising, given that lawful gun owners have never been the primary facilitators of gun crime. Of course, in any given year, a small number of lawful gun owners will commit crimes with their firearms, but the overwhelming majority of America’s tens of millions of gun owners will never constitute a danger to themselves or others.

On the contrary, the best available evidence suggests that a small number of serial offenders commit the majority of violent crimes, and that many of these serial offenders are already legally prohibited from possessing the firearms they use to perpetrate their crimes.13


Consider, for example, a recent report analyzing gun violence in Washington, DC, which concluded that 60 percent to 70 percent of all gun violence in the nation’s capital in any given year is tightly concentrated in a group of 500 “very high risk” individuals, almost all of whom have significant prior or ongoing interactions with the District’s criminal justice system.14

Almost half of all homicide suspects in DC have been previously incarcerated, while more than one in four were on active probation or parole supervision.15
Id. at 4.

According to the report, “most victims and suspects with prior criminal offenses had been arrested about 11 times for about 13 different offenses by the time of the homicide” in which they were involved—not including juvenile arrests.16
Id. 4–5.

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D.C. study...
A study finds that suspects in violent crime in the District share a lot of characteristics.

The National Institute for Criminal Justice Reform looked at the numbers for homicides and nonfatal shooting in D.C. in 2019 and 2020, and found that “most gun violence is tightly concentrated on a small number of very high-risk young Black male adults that share a common set of risk factors.”

Those factors include involvements in street crews, a previous criminal justice history and connection to a recent shooting. Often, they’ve been the victims of crime themselves. While the motive for the shooting “may not be a traditional gang war,” the report says, “often shootings are precipitated by a petty conflict over a young woman, a simple argument, or the now-ubiquitous social media slight.”
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More than 90% of victims and suspects in 2019 and 2020 were male and about 96% were Black.

The study also found that another 86% of victims and suspects have been involved with the criminal justice system and the average age of victims is 31, while the average age of suspects is 27 years old.

They found that, in terms of prior arrests, “victims and suspects were remarkably similar.”

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Bonus content.......the actual study...

About 96 percent of victims and suspects in both homicides and nonfatal shootings were Black, despite Black residents comprising only 46 percent of the overall population in the District (Table 1).
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Approximately 86 percent of homicide victims and suspects were known to the criminal justice system prior to the incident. Among all victims and suspects, about 46 percent had been previously incarcerated (Figure 2).
At least 23.3 percent of all homicide victims and suspects were under active supervision (i.e., CSOSA, PSA, or DYRS)1. At least 64 percent of all victims and suspects had been under any prior or active supervision and at least 76% of homicide suspects had active or prior supervision.
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Overall, most victims and suspects with prior criminal offenses had been arrested about 11 times for about 13 different offenses by the time of the homicide. This count only refers to adult arrests and juvenile arrests were not included.
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In Washington, DC, most gun violence is tightly concentrated on a small number of very high risk young Black male adults that share a common set of risk factors, including: involvement in street crews/groups; significant criminal justice history including prior or active community supervision; often prior victimization; and a connection to a recent shooting (within the past 12 months).
While the majority of people involved in shootings, as victim or suspect, are members or associates of street groups/gangs, the motive for the shooting may not be a traditional gang war. Often shootings are precipitated by a petty conflict over a young woman, a simple argument, or the now ubiquitous social media slight.
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This small number of very high risk individuals are identifiable, their violence is predictable, and therefore it is preventable. Based on the assessment of data and the series of interviews conducted, NICJR estimates that within a year, there are at least 500 identifiable people who rise to this level of very high risk, and likely no more than 200 at any one given time. These individuals comprise approximately 60-70% of all gun violence in the District. Nealy 250 specific individuals were identified through the GVPA process but more importantly, the risk factors that make someone at very high risk has been identified in order to develop an on-going process to focus intervention efforts on those at very high risk.

https://cjcc.dc.gov/sites/default/f... Violence Problem Analysis Summary Report.pdf
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[AZrailwhale]

We didn't vote for democrats...the democrats are the ones releasing violent gun criminals and destroying local police forces.....we tried to vote against them, but the people in democrat party controlled cities keep voting for them.......

People do vote for democrats, they democrats in Chicago just elected a new mayor who is further to the left than Lori Lightfoot.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I love it. Members of the party of personal responsibility are not responsible for the government they elect.

I didnt elect the racist Joe Biteme(who called black kids roaches) and over 75 million others didnt either. But then again, when Marxists steal an election, you can bet that the country goes down the shitter soon after. Slap yourself on the back for that one, you fucking moron.

 

[LibertyKid]

People do vote for democrats, they democrats in Chicago just elected a new mayor who is further to the left than Lori Lightfoot.

And here is a great example of a violent criminal, convicted previously of murder, served only 14 years, back on the streets in Chicago.
What's he do, murder 4 in cold blood after being asked to leave a birthday party he wasn't invited too.
Used a gun, that he wasn't legally allowed to use.
If you watch, use caution, it maybe hard for some to view.