This is not true, is it? Removing confederates from Arlington?

[Sunsettommy]

What about Arlington house and property that was stolen from Robert Lee?

What about it? The biggest mistake they made was not hanging Lee and all the other traitors after the war, exiling their families from the country and demonizing them in the history books.

The theft of the land is bad no matter who owned it, then cut down a forest of large Oak trees to build a cemetery of civil war then later notable people, a waste of fine land. I visited the land and walked through the home. Better to have left it alone instead and sort it out after the war ended, then have him sell it to someone who doesn't support or keep slavery on it.

General Grant was the one who paroled Lee for a reason that you have yet to learn. The parole was a brilliant idea on Grant's part as it prevented a lot of post war problems.

Heck the Southerners and too many of the Northerners whitewashed Grant to elevate Lee in the history books. Lee who should have sat out of the war since he should have known that slavery was an abomination and fighting to keep slavery under the guise of states rights is no honor at all. Lee's allegiance to Virginia was stupid as hell, since the "cause" was to support a dying concept of slavery, a contradiction to the 1776 declaration of independence, then fight in 1861 to keep blacks people in slavery.

 

[JoeB131]

The Rhino, Neocon Republicans are part of the problem also. No doubt about that.

Do you have a learning disability?

 

[Aletheia4u]

The confederate soldiers were the leftist of those days. They didn't know why they were fighting about. That the Elites of those times have fed them lines saying that the Northerners are trying to forced their liberal views upon the Southerners. But the Southerners didn't knew what liberalism meant. That they were taught that it was bad. And plus they were poor and needed cash. And so they have joined the confederate army that was under the controlled of the Global Elites.
Ad so the Elites are the ones who needs to pay reparation to all of the descendants of slavery. And which they have enough cash to give all of the descendants of slavery their forty acres and two mules. And which there were many southerner Blacks has joined the confederate army.

Slavery before the Trans-Atlantic Trade · African Passages, Lowcountry Adaptations · Lowcountry Digital History Initiative

ldhi.library.cofc.edu

Many freed people believed, after being told by various political figures, that they had a right to own the land they had been forced to work as slaves and were eager to control their own property. Freed people widely expected to legally claim 40 acres of land (a quarter-quarter section) and a mule after the end of the war. Some freedmen took advantage of the order and took initiatives to acquire land plots along a strip of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts

Forty acres and a mule - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JoeB131]

The theft of the land is bad no matter who owned it, then cut down a forest of large Oak trees to build a cemetery of civil war then later notable people, a waste of fine land. I visited the land and walked through the home.

You might have a point. We need to turn the home into a Museum of Slavery, so everyone knows what a horrible thing Slavery was.

General Grant was the one who paroled Lee for a reason that you have yet to learn. The parole was a brilliant idea on Grant's part as it prevented a lot of post war problems.

Actually, it was as stupid idea, as were all the pardons of Confederate traitors.

If you want to look at how to do it right... World War 2. We took out all the top Nazis and Japs and put them on trial for war crimes and hung their asses, then destroyed their bodies and scattered the ashes. That's what you do with fucking evil people. Germany and Japan have been model international citizens ever since.

By letting the Confederate Slave Rapists off the hook, we quickly settled back into Jim Crow, we didn't resolve the racial justice issues to this very day. We are STILL fighting the civil war, because we didn't make it very clear who was in the wrong.

Heck the Southerners and too many of the Northerners whitewashed Grant to elevate Lee in the history books. Lee who should have sat out of the war since he should have known that slavery was an abomination and fighting to keep slavery under the guise of states rights is no honor at all. Lee's allegiance to Virginia was stupid as hell, since the "cause" was to support a dying concept of slavery.

Actually, Lee should have sat out the war because he should have realized that the South couldn't match the north in terms of manpower or industry.

 

[Thoth001]

The Rhino, Neocon Republicans are part of the problem also. No doubt about that.

Do you have a learning disability?

That is a weird question to ask. Are you handicapped?

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Warren's Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forward

Warrens Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forward

conservative-daily.com

If passed as-is, this amendment would require that the federal government desecrate the graves of 482 Confederate soldiers buried in Arlington National Cemetery. The soldiers are buried in a circle around a massive, 106-year-old monument commemorating the Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War. Every President since Teddy Roosevelt has laid a wreath at this monument. Yes, that includes Barack H. Obama. He paid his respects to the Confederate dead buried in Arlington back in 2009.

Warren's amendment would require that the memorial be removed from the grounds of Arlington. It is impossible to do this without disturbing the grave sites around the monument…

But it actually gets worse. Elizabeth Warren's amendment is so poorly written that while it gives an exception for gravestones, it does not exempt the graves themselves. Since being buried in Arlington is considered an honor, a literal reading of Warren's bill would require these Civil War soldiers to be exhumed and moved off the premises. Just think about how small of a person someone would have to be to write an amendment in 2020 that could force the exhumation of 482 Civil War soldiers because they disagree with the cause they fought for…

Even in a best case scenario, the graves would get to stay, but Arlington wouldn't be able to advertise where they're located. No signage… no mention in the maps… no helpful directions from staff… Anyone who has ever been to Arlington looking for a specific grave knows it is next to impossible to do without help and directions. So best case, the Confederates get to stay buried, but no one would be allowed to know where they are…

Well, if you actually READ the bill, it doesn't mandate that everything simply be removed. Each monument and everything else will be looked at and debated before anything is done. But why let the facts get in the way of your white supremacist outrage?

—The Secretary of Defense shall establish a commission relating to assigning, modifying, or removing of names, symbols, displays, monuments, and paraphernalia to assets of the Department of Defense that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America. (c) DUTIES.—The Commission shall— (1) assess the cost of renaming or removing names, symbols, displays, monuments, or paraphernalia that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (2) develop procedures and criteria to assess whether an existing name, symbol, monument, display, or paraphernalia commemorates the Confederate States of America or person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (3) recommend procedures for renaming assets of the Department of Defense to prevent commemoration of the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (4) develop a plan to remove names, symbols, displays, monuments, or paraphernalia that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America from assets of the Department of Defense, within the timeline established by this Act; (5) include in the plan procedures and criteria for collecting and incorporating local sensitivities associated with naming or renaming of assets of the Department of Defense.

Democrats are Dickheads. I'm sure you approve of their actions .

 

[Thoth001]

The theft of the land is bad no matter who owned it, then cut down a forest of large Oak trees to build a cemetery of civil war then later notable people, a waste of fine land. I visited the land and walked through the home.

You might have a point. We need to turn the home into a Museum of Slavery, so everyone knows what a horrible thing Slavery was.

General Grant was the one who paroled Lee for a reason that you have yet to learn. The parole was a brilliant idea on Grant's part as it prevented a lot of post war problems.

Actually, it was as stupid idea, as were all the pardons of Confederate traitors.

If you want to look at how to do it right... World War 2. We took out all the top Nazis and Japs and put them on trial for war crimes and hung their asses, then destroyed their bodies and scattered the ashes. That's what you do with fucking evil people. Germany and Japan have been model international citizens ever since.

By letting the Confederate Slave Rapists off the hook, we quickly settled back into Jim Crow, we didn't resolve the racial justice issues to this very day. We are STILL fighting the civil war, because we didn't make it very clear who was in the wrong.

Heck the Southerners and too many of the Northerners whitewashed Grant to elevate Lee in the history books. Lee who should have sat out of the war since he should have known that slavery was an abomination and fighting to keep slavery under the guise of states rights is no honor at all. Lee's allegiance to Virginia was stupid as hell, since the "cause" was to support a dying concept of slavery.

Actually, Lee should have sat out the war because he should have realized that the South couldn't match the north in terms of manpower or industry.

Where you a slave in your past life JoeB?

What about the child slavery that is going on now and the slave labor in China? I bet you have Nike shoes.

 

[Sunsettommy]

The confederate soldiers were the leftist of those days. They didn't know why they were fighting about. That the Elites of those times have fed them lines saying that the Northerners are trying to forced their liberal views upon the Southerners. But the Southerners didn't knew what liberalism meant. That they were taught that it was bad. And plus they were poor and needed cash. And so they have joined the confederate army that was under the controlled of the Global Elites.
Ad so the Elites are the ones who needs to pay reparation to all of the descendants of slavery. And which they have enough cash to give all of the descendants of slavery their forty acres and two mules. And which there were many southerner Blacks has joined the confederate army.

Slavery before the Trans-Atlantic Trade · African Passages, Lowcountry Adaptations · Lowcountry Digital History Initiative

ldhi.library.cofc.edu

Many freed people believed, after being told by various political figures, that they had a right to own the land they had been forced to work as slaves and were eager to control their own property. Freed people widely expected to legally claim 40 acres of land (a quarter-quarter section) and a mule after the end of the war. Some freedmen took advantage of the order and took initiatives to acquire land plots along a strip of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts

Forty acres and a mule - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Blacks should been given the 40 acres and a mule, a far better way than to create KKK gangs and weaken themselves for a 100 years of economic backwardness. That is how stupidity and hate evolves to weaken themselves over time. Imagine if the black people were allowed to own land and contribute to the food supply, generate material goods, live in peace, America would have been a far stronger and happier nation.

 

[JoeB131]

Where you a slave in your past life JoeB?

What about the child slavery that is going on now and the slave labor in China? I bet you have Nike shoes.

No, actually, I don't. And "But, but, but.... CHINA" isn't an excuse for anything.

 

[Sunsettommy]

JoeB131 writes,

QUOTE]Actually, it was as stupid idea, as were all the pardons of Confederate traitors.[/QUOTE]

He pardoned only the small remaining army of Northern Virginia, which was done to prevent something that wasn't possible in WW2, a guerilla warfare in the deep south, heck Grant ORDERED his army to be courteous to the defeated army, not celebrate their victory in front of them.

You are mixing Mangoes with Peaches.

You write this failing to understand that leaving Arlington home as it was, a great way to show the evils of slavery:

You might have a point. We need to turn the home into a Museum of Slavery, so everyone knows what a horrible thing Slavery was.

The contrast to the beautiful Lee home to the squalid dugouts of slave "homes" on the property was damning at how poorly blacks were treated.

 

[JoeB131]

He pardoned only the small remaining army of Northern Virginia, which was done to prevent something that wasn't possible in WW2, a guerilla warfare in the deep south, heck Grant ORDERED his army to be courteous to the defeated army, not celebrate their victory in front of them.

Except that the South eventually did have a guerilla war in the form of the KKK.

Now, there were guerillas in Germany after WWII. The response was to tell them, "We're taking all your guns, and we are going to shoot you if we catch you. If that doesn't work, we'll pull out and let the Soviets have at you."

 

[Bezukhov]

Keep the monuments. Next to each one a new one goes up. The new ones will remind everyone that the South was in the wrong and lost the war.

 

[Sunsettommy]

He pardoned only the small remaining army of Northern Virginia, which was done to prevent something that wasn't possible in WW2, a guerilla warfare in the deep south, heck Grant ORDERED his army to be courteous to the defeated army, not celebrate their victory in front of them.

Except that the South eventually did have a guerilla war in the form of the KKK.

Now, there were guerillas in Germany after WWII. The response was to tell them, "We're taking all your guns, and we are going to shoot you if we catch you. If that doesn't work, we'll pull out and let the Soviets have at you."

The KKK gang was not a guerilla force, it was a group of former slave owners for intimidation and murder, they were quickly destroyed by the Grant administration. They resurrected after he left office, but it was more into segregation and making illegal laws to restrict blacks.

Guerilla activities was negligible in Germany after the war, they spent a lot of effort to flee Germany for South America. the Russians smashed most of the small groups before the war ended, you are trying too hard here:

War History Online

Operation Werewolf: The Nazi Resistance Force

Excerpt:

In the Autumn of 1944, the Nazis instigated a plan to establish active forces behind enemy lines as the Allies pushed through Germany. It was called Operation Werewolf (Werwolf in German) and accomplished very little apart from its propaganda effect.

The Werewolf troops reputation spread around the Allied forces and was the reason used by the Allies to detain thousands of Germans after the war. They did so to prevent an uprising although the likelihood was minimal.

How it All Began
Operation Werewolf was led by Heinrich Himmler and Hans-Adolf Prutzmann. The original plan was to create an elite group of military men behind enemy lines, to operate secretly, using guerrilla tactics as the Allies Commandos had done.

=====

You seem to have forgotten that Germany was OCCUPIED by 4 Nations:

Allied-occupied Germany

Guerilla warfare after WW2 ended was negligible.

 

[playtime]

good. any traitor wanting to secede from the union because they would no longer be able to own other humans - should not be 'honored' by being buried in that sacred ground.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

If true, this is going WAY too far. WAY.

The biden regime is trying to stir up an insurection which they think they can easily defeat but use it as an excuse for declaring martial law....an easy way for them to gain dictatorial powers.....now watch this thread get moved to the conspiracy section.

 

[Penelope]

Warren's Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forward

Warrens Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forward

conservative-daily.com

If passed as-is, this amendment would require that the federal government desecrate the graves of 482 Confederate soldiers buried in Arlington National Cemetery. The soldiers are buried in a circle around a massive, 106-year-old monument commemorating the Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War. Every President since Teddy Roosevelt has laid a wreath at this monument. Yes, that includes Barack H. Obama. He paid his respects to the Confederate dead buried in Arlington back in 2009.

Warren's amendment would require that the memorial be removed from the grounds of Arlington. It is impossible to do this without disturbing the grave sites around the monument…

But it actually gets worse. Elizabeth Warren's amendment is so poorly written that while it gives an exception for gravestones, it does not exempt the graves themselves. Since being buried in Arlington is considered an honor, a literal reading of Warren's bill would require these Civil War soldiers to be exhumed and moved off the premises. Just think about how small of a person someone would have to be to write an amendment in 2020 that could force the exhumation of 482 Civil War soldiers because they disagree with the cause they fought for…

Even in a best case scenario, the graves would get to stay, but Arlington wouldn't be able to advertise where they're located. No signage… no mention in the maps… no helpful directions from staff… Anyone who has ever been to Arlington looking for a specific grave knows it is next to impossible to do without help and directions. So best case, the Confederates get to stay buried, but no one would be allowed to know where they are…

They are traitors, now and forever.

The theft of the land is bad no matter who owned it, then cut down a forest of large Oak trees to build a cemetery of civil war then later notable people, a waste of fine land. I visited the land and walked through the home.

You might have a point. We need to turn the home into a Museum of Slavery, so everyone knows what a horrible thing Slavery was.

General Grant was the one who paroled Lee for a reason that you have yet to learn. The parole was a brilliant idea on Grant's part as it prevented a lot of post war problems.

Actually, it was as stupid idea, as were all the pardons of Confederate traitors.

If you want to look at how to do it right... World War 2. We took out all the top Nazis and Japs and put them on trial for war crimes and hung their asses, then destroyed their bodies and scattered the ashes. That's what you do with fucking evil people. Germany and Japan have been model international citizens ever since.

By letting the Confederate Slave Rapists off the hook, we quickly settled back into Jim Crow, we didn't resolve the racial justice issues to this very day. We are STILL fighting the civil war, because we didn't make it very clear who was in the wrong.

Heck the Southerners and too many of the Northerners whitewashed Grant to elevate Lee in the history books. Lee who should have sat out of the war since he should have known that slavery was an abomination and fighting to keep slavery under the guise of states rights is no honor at all. Lee's allegiance to Virginia was stupid as hell, since the "cause" was to support a dying concept of slavery.

Actually, Lee should have sat out the war because he should have realized that the South couldn't match the north in terms of manpower or industry.

Where you a slave in your past life JoeB?

What about the child slavery that is going on now and the slave labor in China? I bet you have Nike shoes.

You bringing up Ivanka tramp(kushner)!

 

[Aletheia4u]

The confederate soldiers were the leftist of those days. They didn't know why they were fighting about. That the Elites of those times have fed them lines saying that the Northerners are trying to forced their liberal views upon the Southerners. But the Southerners didn't knew what liberalism meant. That they were taught that it was bad. And plus they were poor and needed cash. And so they have joined the confederate army that was under the controlled of the Global Elites.
Ad so the Elites are the ones who needs to pay reparation to all of the descendants of slavery. And which they have enough cash to give all of the descendants of slavery their forty acres and two mules. And which there were many southerner Blacks has joined the confederate army.

Slavery before the Trans-Atlantic Trade · African Passages, Lowcountry Adaptations · Lowcountry Digital History Initiative

ldhi.library.cofc.edu

Many freed people believed, after being told by various political figures, that they had a right to own the land they had been forced to work as slaves and were eager to control their own property. Freed people widely expected to legally claim 40 acres of land (a quarter-quarter section) and a mule after the end of the war. Some freedmen took advantage of the order and took initiatives to acquire land plots along a strip of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts

Forty acres and a mule - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Blacks should been given the 40 acres and a mule, a far better way than to create KKK gangs and weaken themselves for a 100 years of economic backwardness. That is how stupidity and hate evolves to weaken themselves over time. Imagine if the black people were allowed to own land and contribute to the food supply, generate material goods, live in peace, America would have been a far stronger and happier nation.

It was the fascist government that have been under the controlled of the Global Elites that caused economy to collapsed so that they can go behind it and collect all of what they can. Some Blacks were given their forty acres but these Elites stripped them away from their acres and left them with the mule so that they can feed off of it.
They have been collapsing economies for centuries to rob people from their fruits of their labor.

 

[TheParser]

Warren's Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forward

Warrens Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forward

conservative-daily.com

If passed as-is, this amendment would require that the federal government desecrate the graves of 482 Confederate soldiers buried in Arlington National Cemetery. The soldiers are buried in a circle around a massive, 106-year-old monument commemorating the Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War. Every President since Teddy Roosevelt has laid a wreath at this monument. Yes, that includes Barack H. Obama. He paid his respects to the Confederate dead buried in Arlington back in 2009.

Warren's amendment would require that the memorial be removed from the grounds of Arlington. It is impossible to do this without disturbing the grave sites around the monument…

But it actually gets worse. Elizabeth Warren's amendment is so poorly written that while it gives an exception for gravestones, it does not exempt the graves themselves. Since being buried in Arlington is considered an honor, a literal reading of Warren's bill would require these Civil War soldiers to be exhumed and moved off the premises. Just think about how small of a person someone would have to be to write an amendment in 2020 that could force the exhumation of 482 Civil War soldiers because they disagree with the cause they fought for…

Even in a best case scenario, the graves would get to stay, but Arlington wouldn't be able to advertise where they're located. No signage… no mention in the maps… no helpful directions from staff… Anyone who has ever been to Arlington looking for a specific grave knows it is next to impossible to do without help and directions. So best case, the Confederates get to stay buried, but no one would be allowed to know where they are…

Oh, yes, in the coming decades revenge-minded Dems will be destroying anything that had to do with slavery.

I have no doubt whatsoever that sooner rather than later, the Dems will raze Mount Vernon, in addition to renaming the nation's capital and the monument that is currently named for the first president.

In fact, I would not be surprised if the crazies who will eventually run this nation decide to teach children only about the presidents they like. So there will be long chapters on Presidents Obama and Biden, but other presidents will not be mentioned at all. As in the USSR, they will become non-persons.

 

[Claudette]

What a terrible idea. Anyone who wants that is just plain nuts.

Let the dead lay in peace.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

What a terrible idea. Anyone who wants that is just plain nuts.

Let the dead lay in peace.

Too many on here do not know their 'history'.....The War Between the States' (that is the correct term for what happened' was not about slavery.....most Southern Whites had no slaves.

The War was about Power....as in the South believed too much power was being given to the Federal Government which they saw as something that was dangerous to our freedoms and they were exactly right.....local control allows more freedom.....and now we see a resurrection of the drive for more power for the Feds under this biden regime.

The tactics of the biden regime to get more power for Washington is going to quickly result in the following ....a drive to confiscate private firearms.....you see this getting started already, a drive to declare their political enemies as racists, white supremacists and insurrectionists.

With the msm propaganda machine at their disposal this will be easy.

Once they have confiscated all private firearms they will declare martial law to deal with what biden calls the demented White Supremacists.....meaning any and everyone that stands up for freedom aka freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the right to own guns.

No....I am not a prophet but I have a very long record of being very good at using logic and political analysis to see where we as a nation are headed.