There is No Future Battle of Armageddon:

[onefour1]

An event prophesied by Christ that has never occurred yet is the following:

Matthew 24:30​

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I am sure that all the tribes of the earth has the meaning of everyone on earth. All those who are on the earth at the time of his coming will see him coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. This same event is described in the book of Revelation:

Revelation 19:11-21
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

These aren't historical events of the past. These are things that are yet to occur. The reason John speaks in present tense is because he is witnessing a revelation and as he sees it he is telling about it. He is simply telling about what he sees in the revelation.

Gog and Magog invaded in 624 BC.

Zechariah was around in 515 BC and prophesied of the battle to come. 624 BC was before his time. Also, we didn't see the mount of Olives cleave in twain and create a great valley in 624 BC. Obviously it wasn't the battle spoken of.

 

[surada]

onefour1

Many nations did gather against Jerusalem. Titus commanded garrisons from elsewhere in the Roman Empire.. Syrians, Arabs and Egyptians. It was a short cut to becoming a Roman citizen.

 

[surada]

Armageddon​

A Greek transliteration from the Hebrew Har Megiddon, or “Mountain of Megiddo.” The valley of Megiddo is in the western portion of the plain of Esdraelon about 75 miles north of Jerusalem. Several times the valley of Megiddo was the scene of violent and crucial battles during Old Testament times (Judg. 5:19; 2 Kgs. 9:27; 23:29). A great and final conflict taking place at the Second Coming of the Lord is called the battle of Armageddon. See Zech. 11–14, especially 12:11; Rev. 16:14–21.

Zech 11:14 is fulfilled.

This prophecy was fulfilled during Israel’s war with Rome in the middle of the first century when the Roman army burned much of the province of Israel as part of its scorched earth policy.

Zechariah then goes on to warn that during this time, Israel will be oppressed by its rulers—a prophecy most notably fulfilled during the reign of Florus whose excessive oppression was the primary cause of the war.

In v. 9 Zechariah predicts that many will die and some who are left will “eat one another’s flesh.” During the Jewish War, Rome besieged Jerusalem inducing famine in the closed quarters of the city. And in fulfillment of v. 9, a woman is recorded to have killed her newborn child and eaten its flesh.1

After Rome conquered and destroyed Israel in the middle of the first century, Israel revolted once again shortly thereafter. During this time, Zechariah predicts that another oppressive “shepherd” will arise. This ruler is Simon Bar-Kokhba.

When Bar-Kokhba killed Eleazar before his stronghold at Bethar fell to the Romans, a heavenly voice was recorded in the Midrash to have bellowed Zechariah 11:17: “Woe to the worthless shepherd that leaveth the flock! The sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye! Thou hast paralyzed the arm of Israel and blinded their right eye; therefore shall thy arm wither and thy right eye grow dim!”

Zechariah 11: A Preterist Commentary | Revelation Revolution

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Although the reference I gave of Zechariah 11-14 speaks of the Battle of Armageddon, I don't think chapter 11 specifically is speaking of the battle. Chapter 12 is where it begins speaking of the battle. The battle culminates with the Lord coming down and setting his foot upon the Mount of Olives and begins to fight Israel's battle:

Zechariah 14:1-4
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

There is a valley.. The Kidron Valley.

 

[onefour1]

The valley is created by the Mount of Olives splitting in half when the Lord sets his foot upon the mount.

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

The next thing of significance to prophesied scenarios is the collapse and fall of Mystery Babylon. It will not be limited to one city, what characterizes that image of prophecy is what characterizes the history of all cities of civilization. When it collapses and falls, people will follow one leading them for rebuilding what would be godless civilization, that one depicted prophetically as a great beast. After that as disasters in judgment from God come, those under that one in military forces will come against those in Jerusalem remaining in resistance. Their only hope is when they call on Christ, recognizing their Messiah, the savior. They will then be delivered, all Israel of then when that happens will be saved. And Godly society will come to be in place of all godless civilization.

 

[BreezeWood]

The next thing of significance to prophesied scenarios is the collapse and fall of Mystery Babylon. It will not be limited to one city, what characterizes that image of prophecy is what characterizes the history of all cities of civilization. When it collapses and falls, people will follow one leading them for rebuilding what would be godless civilization, that one depicted prophetically as a great beast. After that as disasters in judgment from God come, those under that one in military forces will come against those in Jerusalem remaining in resistance. Their only hope is when they call on Christ, recognizing their Messiah, the savior. They will then be delivered, all Israel of then when that happens will be saved. And Godly society will come to be in place of all godless civilization.

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Their only hope is when they call on Christ, recognizing their Messiah,

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it's either, or, one triumph or the other whether a 1st century religious itinerant returns makes no difference, the fate and outcome will already be sealed.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Evidence backing belief in the Spaghetti Monster has been discovered:

The Spaghetti Nebula

 

[surada]

The next thing of significance to prophesied scenarios is the collapse and fall of Mystery Babylon. It will not be limited to one city, what characterizes that image of prophecy is what characterizes the history of all cities of civilization. When it collapses and falls, people will follow one leading them for rebuilding what would be godless civilization, that one depicted prophetically as a great beast. After that as disasters in judgment from God come, those under that one in military forces will come against those in Jerusalem remaining in resistance. Their only hope is when they call on Christ, recognizing their Messiah, the savior. They will then be delivered, all Israel of then when that happens will be saved. And Godly society will come to be in place of all godless civilization.

Mystery Babylon is the city where Christ was crucified.

 

[irosie91]

Mystery Babylon is the city where Christ was crucified.

how exciting did the find it yet?

 

[surada]

The next thing of significance to prophesied scenarios is the collapse and fall of Mystery Babylon. It will not be limited to one city, what characterizes that image of prophecy is what characterizes the history of all cities of civilization. When it collapses and falls, people will follow one leading them for rebuilding what would be godless civilization, that one depicted prophetically as a great beast. After that as disasters in judgment from God come, those under that one in military forces will come against those in Jerusalem remaining in resistance. Their only hope is when they call on Christ, recognizing their Messiah, the savior. They will then be delivered, all Israel of then when that happens will be saved. And Godly society will come to be in place of all godless civilization.

You must be a futurist.

 

[irosie91]

You must be a futurist.

what is a futurist?

 

[surada]

what is a futurist?

People who don't understand 1st century history and don't know anything about Antiochus IV or the Maccabean Revolt. Generally they follow Cyrus Scofield and project Revelation thousands of years into the future.

Futurism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets portions of the Book of Revelation and the Book of Daniel as future events in a literal, physical, apocalyptic, and global context.

 

[JustAGuy1]

People who don't understand 1st century history and don't know anything about Antiochus IV or the Maccabean Revolt. Generally they follow Cyrus Scofield and project Revelation thousands of years into the future.

Futurism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets portions of the Book of Revelation and the Book of Daniel as future events in a literal, physical, apocalyptic, and global context.

LOL. I find it humorous that you think you have the interpretation of Scripture nailed down and that everyone but you is wrong.

Futurism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets portions of the Book of Revelation and the Book of Daniel as future events in a literal, physical, apocalyptic, and global context.

 

[irosie91]

People who don't understand 1st century history and don't know anything about Antiochus IV or the Maccabean Revolt. Generally they follow Cyrus Scofield and project Revelation thousands of years into the future.

Futurism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets portions of the Book of Revelation and the Book of Daniel as future events in a literal, physical, apocalyptic, and global context.

oh them. there is also a "FUTURISTIC SCHOOL OF ART"

 

[surada]

oh them. there is also a "FUTURISTIC SCHOOL OF ART"

Yes, but that's not futurism in eschatology.. They always think the Book of Daniel was written in Babylon instead of in 167 BC. Its just a lack of education.

 

[irosie91]

Yes, but that's not futurism in eschatology.. They always think the Book of Daniel was written in Babylon instead of in 167 BC. Its just a lack of education.

oh who wrote it?

 

[Clyde 154]

Interpreting Revelation: There is No Future Battle of Armageddon — A New Day Dawning

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There is No Future Battle of Armageddon:

Did that get your attention?

Revelation 16:16, "And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon."

Movies are made about it. Theologies are built around it. Book series are written about it. Fear is cultivated because of it.

1. BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS NO SUCH PLACE IN ISRAEL CALLED ARMAGEDDON?
It doesn't exist, nor will it exist in the future. The word is made up of two parts... Ar (har) which means "mountain" and Megiddo which is in the valley of Jezreel. There is no mountain there. (There is a small "tell" which is just where cities have built and rebuilt on top of each other but no mountain).

So what is this passage about? Revelation is to be interpreted according to the first verse of the book... "the Revelation (apocalypse-unveiling) of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must SHORTLY take place. And He sent and SIGNIFIED it by His angel to His servant John."

Apocalyptic language through signs. ie, there are nearly 400 references to the Hebrew scriptures that sign point to a previous event so we can understand that the destruction of Jerusalem will take place in such a manner. Apocalyptic is written in cataclysmic, cosmic, grandiose, language to paint a strong heart picture.

Megiddo is the place in history where wars and the blood-shed of kings took place. (2 Kings 9:27; 2 Kings 23:29, and historically)

So Armageddon in Revelation is not about a great end time battle in our future. It was a sign to describe in apocalyptic language the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. In other words, just as there were slaughters in the valley in the past (sign pointing-Revelation 1:1), now in John's day, Jerusalem, which sits on a mountain (Mt Zion-2500 ft elevation), will experience slaughter.

Zechariah prophesied it as well using the same idea about Jerusalem: "On that day the weeping in JERUSALEM will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of MEGIDDO." (12:11) It was used by John as a figure of speech to say Jerusalem would experience death and war just as in Megiddo in the past.

It is true the world goes through many upheavals and transitions, but Is. 9 says, "of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end." We have a hope filled future that the "KNOWLEDGE of the glory of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea!"

2. ACCORDING TO THE FUTURISTS JESUS WILL COME LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT IN A SECRET RAPTURE. THEY TEACH THIS COULD HAPPEN AT ANY TIME AND AFTERWARDS IS THE TRIBULATION AND ARMAGEDDON.
They say that because he comes as a thief in the night there will be no signs preceding this rapture coming of the Lord.

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Read comprehend. The book of Revelation is a book based upon symbolism and signified information given to John in a vision. The signified events were to take place "SHORTLY" (Rev. 1:1,3, 22:6,10). The message was SIGNIFIED...i.e., symbolic in nature (Rev. 1:1)
Could it be that you are making a reference about something that is not to be taken "LITERALLY" in the 1st place? The only place in scripture this term exists is in a book of symbolism/signified meanings.......the Book of Revelation 16:16.

In the original Hebrew the word Armageddon is translated from "Har-Magedon" .....it means the mountain of Megiddo. In reality its a valley that makes a natural pass in the hills (there can be no valley void of higher ground) between Egypt and all points north. Historically every empire mentioned during biblical time tired to control this valley because of its strategic value......but you are correct there is no actual mountain........the mountain is symbolic in nature in portraying a great battle between good and evil......the taking of a higher ground.

The reference of Armageddon in the Book of Revelation (16:16) is no more a reference to a real literal battle than the reference to the BEAST found in Revelation (16:13). Its a symbolic battle that has already taken place with Good (Christianity) overcoming the evil empire of ROME that was persecuting Christians at that time period. Eventually it was Christianity that Consumed Rome....not the inverse.

 

[surada]

oh who wrote it?

A group of Jewish sages trying to give comfort and encouragement to the Jews when Antiochus defiled the Temple and was trying to Hellenize the Jews.

 

[irosie91]

A group of Jewish sages trying to give comfort and encouragement to the Jews when Antiochus defiled the Temple and was trying to Hellenize the Jews.

why did they write it in ARAMAIC?

 

[surada]

Read comprehend. The book of Revelation is a book based upon symbolism and signified information given to John in a vision. The signified events were to take place "SHORTLY" (Rev. 1:1,3, 22:6,10). The message was SIGNIFIED...i.e., symbolic in nature (Rev. 1:1)
Could it be that you are making a reference about something that is not to be taken "LITERALLY" in the 1st place? The only place in scripture this term exists is in a book of symbolism/signified meanings.......the Book of Revelation 16:16.

In the original Hebrew the word Armageddon is translated from "Har-Magedon" .....it means the mountain of Megiddo. In reality its a valley that makes a natural pass in the hills between Egypt and all points north. Historically every empire mentioned during biblical time tired to control this valley because of its strategic value......but you are correct there is no actual mountain........the mountain is symbolic in nature in portraying a great battle between good and evil.

The reference of Armageddon in the Book of Revelation (16:16) is no more a reference to a real literal battle than the reference to the BEAST found in Revelation (16:13).

I know.. Revelation is just a letter to 7 contemporary churches.
The beast is a reference to Nero and the Whore of Babylon is Israel.