theists, please give us the creation of man theory

[ReinyDays]

so god will punish me for ---what? being human?? that makes sense!!!!!

Just guessing ... but asking over the internet for a Creationist Theory is punishment enough ... the hell you must live in by choice needs no interference from God ...

 

[ding]

Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?

I never heard that one before from you.

You STILL have no answer.

Saying I have no answer doesn't make it true.

You think deformed and retarded babies are a good thing. That's even worse than having no answer.

No. I think good comes from everything. You think handicapped babies are a bad thing.

Deformed, handicapped babies that live a short life in constant, torturing pain are not a good thing, you think they are.

You think they are bad thing. They make you uncomfortable. Would you like to place your hand over their mouths and snuff out their lives so you won't have to feel uncomfortable?

I want to know why god makes them.

No. You want to snuff out their lives because they make you uncomfortable. No wonder you can't see how anyone can love them.

I want to know why god makes them.

So that good can come from it. Same reason everything was made, dummy.

There was one guy a few years ago whose daughter was deformed retarded in a wheelchair, couldn't speak, and was in constant pain. This had been going on for 12 years. The doctors were scheduling here for another operation that wouldn't alleviate any pain, and probably make it worse, at least for a while. Then more surgeries... Basically, the doctors were experimenting on her. The dad took the child, put her in his truck and did the tailpipe thing. He got 10 years (this was in Canada), which was still insane. What good came out of that? Anything at all?

Love, dummy.

 

[Meriweather]

...a lot of wars are started because of one ''group'' against another DIFFERENT group ..there have always been wars and always will be---this is more evidence FOR evolution

Sure. I am not debating the building blocks of evolution. I am merely saying there is intelligence behind it. As for wars: All wars boil down to someone's greed for more power and more wealth. People may come to fisticuffs, even murder, over their beliefs, but actual wars are about wealth and power. The trick is how to get others to fight one's war for them.

 

[Meriweather]

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

Isn't that kind of like saying, men first then trees, or men first, then sound? God is what man observed, not something man created.

 

[ding]

The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.

Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".

The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.

No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.

He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.

The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.

What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?

Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.

No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.

Well they think its God almighty.

Evolution and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Why wouldn't God be almighty?

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

No. God is the first cause. Eternal, unchanging, infinite truth, infinite logic and infinite love.

You think it was an accident that a universe that was hardwired to produce intelligence just popped into existence from nothing?

C'mon, man.

 

[Penelope]

The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.

Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".

The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.

No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.

He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.

The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.

What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?

Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.

No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.

Well they think its God almighty.

Evolution and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Why wouldn't God be almighty?

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

No. God is the first cause. Eternal, unchanging, infinite truth, infinite logic and infinite love.

You think it was an accident that a universe that was hardwired to produce intelligence just popped into existence from nothing?

C'mon, man.

I certainty do not think it was a supernatural being. What do you consider God as??

 

[norwegen]

In interpreting Nebuchadnezzar’s dream, Daniel revealed to the king its implications, that a succession of four empires would end with one that would rule the whole earth (Dn 2:39), that last one generally understood to be Rome. Did that literally happen? Did the Romans rule the Falkland Islands or the Orient or Iceland? Of course not. No earthly kingdom has ever ruled the entire planet. Also, Jesus stood atop a high mountain to see all the kingdoms of the world (Mt 4:8). On a sphere, this is impossible, no matter how high the mountain is.

Why Christians and the OP insist that the earth must be the planet is beyond me. The earth is where God's people lived and reigned.

 

[Penelope]

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

Isn't that kind of like saying, men first then trees, or men first, then sound? God is what man observed, not something man created.

Men created the gods. They needed something to keep them in line and have laws and they were unintelligent in ancient times.

 

[Meriweather]

Men created the gods. They needed something to keep them in line and have laws and they were unintelligent in ancient times.

Do you need someone to keep you in line? Or is it just for everyone else?

 

[ding]

The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.

Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".

The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.

No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.

He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.

The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.

What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?

Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.

No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.

Well they think its God almighty.

Evolution and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Why wouldn't God be almighty?

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

No. God is the first cause. Eternal, unchanging, infinite truth, infinite logic and infinite love.

You think it was an accident that a universe that was hardwired to produce intelligence just popped into existence from nothing?

C'mon, man.

I certainty do not think it was a supernatural being. What do you consider God as??

My perception of God is that there no thing that can describe God because God is no thing. God is not matter and energy like us and God exists outside of our four dimension space time. In fact the premise is that God is no thing. That God is a spirit. A spirit is no thing. Being things we can't possibly relate to being no things. A two dimensional being would have an easier time trying to understand our third dimension than we - a four dimensional being - would in trying to understand a multi-dimensional being outside of our space time. The closest I can come to and later confirm with the physical laws is that God is consciousness. That Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

 

[Hollie]

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

Isn't that kind of like saying, men first then trees, or men first, then sound? God is what man observed, not something man created.

Men created the gods. They needed something to keep them in line and have laws and they were unintelligent in ancient times.

Exactly right. Cultures invented many gods to explain what was mysterious and frightening, Would anyone say the gods of Greece and Rome and Babylon and the Norsemen are all “real” or were they made up to explain things that couldn’t readily be explained? Assuming people admit these other cultures did do precisely that, I see nothing about the one-stop shopping god of the desert to suggest that, that god is not a distillation of earlier gods who just has a much more limited job title,

 

[Taz]

Sorry, but I needed more than 10 lines:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”

21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

When did God start making deformed and retarded babies?

I never heard that one before from you.

You STILL have no answer.

Saying I have no answer doesn't make it true.

You think deformed and retarded babies are a good thing. That's even worse than having no answer.

No. I think good comes from everything. You think handicapped babies are a bad thing.

Deformed, handicapped babies that live a short life in constant, torturing pain are not a good thing, you think they are.

You think they are bad thing. They make you uncomfortable. Would you like to place your hand over their mouths and snuff out their lives so you won't have to feel uncomfortable?

I want to know why god makes them.

No. You want to snuff out their lives because they make you uncomfortable. No wonder you can't see how anyone can love them.

I want to know why god makes them.

So that good can come from it. Same reason everything was made, dummy.

There was one guy a few years ago whose daughter was deformed retarded in a wheelchair, couldn't speak, and was in constant pain. This had been going on for 12 years. The doctors were scheduling here for another operation that wouldn't alleviate any pain, and probably make it worse, at least for a while. Then more surgeries... Basically, the doctors were experimenting on her. The dad took the child, put her in his truck and did the tailpipe thing. He got 10 years (this was in Canada), which was still insane. What good came out of that? Anything at all?

Love, dummy.

You're an idiot. Cum swallower.

 

[Taz]

The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.

Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".

The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.

No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.

He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.

The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.

What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?

Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.

No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.

Well they think its God almighty.

Evolution and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Why wouldn't God be almighty?

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

No. God is the first cause. Eternal, unchanging, infinite truth, infinite logic and infinite love.

You think it was an accident that a universe that was hardwired to produce intelligence just popped into existence from nothing?

C'mon, man.

I certainty do not think it was a supernatural being. What do you consider God as??

My perception of God is that there no thing that can describe God because God is no thing. God is not matter and energy like us and God exists outside of our four dimension space time. In fact the premise is that God is no thing. That God is a spirit. A spirit is no thing. Being things we can't possibly relate to being no things. A two dimensional being would have an easier time trying to understand our third dimension than we - a four dimensional being - would in trying to understand a multi-dimensional being outside of our space time. The closest I can come to and later confirm with the physical laws is that God is consciousness. That Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

^^^^^^^ WORD SALAD ALERT!

 

[Meriweather]

Exactly right. Cultures invented many gods to explain what was mysterious and frightening, Would anyone say the gods of Greece and Rome and Babylon and the Norsemen are all “real” or were they made up to explain things that couldn’t readily be explained?

Have you researched the history of the Greek-Roman, Babylonian and Norse beliefs about their Gods?

 

[Hollie]

“General Theory of Supernatural Creation”

Anyone?

 

[Penelope]

The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.

Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".

The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.

No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.

He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.

The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.

What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?

Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.

No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.

Well they think its God almighty.

Evolution and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Why wouldn't God be almighty?

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

No. God is the first cause. Eternal, unchanging, infinite truth, infinite logic and infinite love.

You think it was an accident that a universe that was hardwired to produce intelligence just popped into existence from nothing?

C'mon, man.

I certainty do not think it was a supernatural being. What do you consider God as??

My perception of God is that there no thing that can describe God because God is no thing. God is not matter and energy like us and God exists outside of our four dimension space time. In fact the premise is that God is no thing. That God is a spirit. A spirit is no thing. Being things we can't possibly relate to being no things. A two dimensional being would have an easier time trying to understand our third dimension than we - a four dimensional being - would in trying to understand a multi-dimensional being outside of our space time. The closest I can come to and later confirm with the physical laws is that God is consciousness. That Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

I will give you that, individual consciousness.
You might want to read "The minds of the Bible" wrote by a rabbi
and

http://s-f-walker.org.uk/pubsebooks/pdfs/Julian_Jaynes_The_Origin_of_Consciousness.pdf

 

[ding]

The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.

Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".

The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.

No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.

He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.

The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.

What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?

Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.

No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.

Well they think its God almighty.

Evolution and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Why wouldn't God be almighty?

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

No. God is the first cause. Eternal, unchanging, infinite truth, infinite logic and infinite love.

You think it was an accident that a universe that was hardwired to produce intelligence just popped into existence from nothing?

C'mon, man.

I certainty do not think it was a supernatural being. What do you consider God as??

My perception of God is that there no thing that can describe God because God is no thing. God is not matter and energy like us and God exists outside of our four dimension space time. In fact the premise is that God is no thing. That God is a spirit. A spirit is no thing. Being things we can't possibly relate to being no things. A two dimensional being would have an easier time trying to understand our third dimension than we - a four dimensional being - would in trying to understand a multi-dimensional being outside of our space time. The closest I can come to and later confirm with the physical laws is that God is consciousness. That Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

^^^^^^^ WORD SALAD ALERT!

That's what people say when they can't rebut it.

 

[ding]

The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.

Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".

The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.

No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.

He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.

The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.

What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?

Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.

No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.

Well they think its God almighty.

Evolution and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Why wouldn't God be almighty?

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

No. God is the first cause. Eternal, unchanging, infinite truth, infinite logic and infinite love.

You think it was an accident that a universe that was hardwired to produce intelligence just popped into existence from nothing?

C'mon, man.

I certainty do not think it was a supernatural being. What do you consider God as??

My perception of God is that there no thing that can describe God because God is no thing. God is not matter and energy like us and God exists outside of our four dimension space time. In fact the premise is that God is no thing. That God is a spirit. A spirit is no thing. Being things we can't possibly relate to being no things. A two dimensional being would have an easier time trying to understand our third dimension than we - a four dimensional being - would in trying to understand a multi-dimensional being outside of our space time. The closest I can come to and later confirm with the physical laws is that God is consciousness. That Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

I will give you that, individual consciousness.
You might want to read "The minds of the Bible" wrote by a rabbi
and

http://s-f-walker.org.uk/pubsebooks/pdfs/Julian_Jaynes_The_Origin_of_Consciousness.pdf

Everything is connected. It's not an accident.

 

[Taz]

The Genesis tale of creation relies on supernatural intervention, so yes, one or more supernatural gods creating things requires supernaturalism.

Please pinpoint a specific place that you are interpreting as "supernatural intervention".

The entirety of the Genesis account speaks to supernaturalism, particularly when the existence of creator Gods is based on supernaturalism, ie, outside of the natural, rational world. I have yet to see a convincing argument as to how allowing for supernatural creation really advances our understanding of anything. Without a plausible framework to show us how we are to know the reality of Bibles and such without endless interpretation, or understanding the “intent” of the book that describes such supernatural creation, subjective interpretation is futile.

No. It doesn't. It speaks to the origin of existence. Which science says it got right.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Orthodox Jews like nothing better to state the bible is correct, they are in the area due to the bible, and they get lots of money off of Evangelical Christians.

He's not the only one who believes it. ex nihilo creatio is the belief of the Catholic Church too.

The RCC believes in evolution as well as God. The BB has nothing to do with religion.

What do you think ex nihilo creatio is, dummy?

Yes they mean the BB is God almighty. He is behind the BB.

No, the BB is not God almighty. The BB is proof that God created the universe from nothing.

Well they think its God almighty.

Evolution and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Why wouldn't God be almighty?

Because God is an idea created by men. Men first, then Gods.

No. God is the first cause. Eternal, unchanging, infinite truth, infinite logic and infinite love.

You think it was an accident that a universe that was hardwired to produce intelligence just popped into existence from nothing?

C'mon, man.

I certainty do not think it was a supernatural being. What do you consider God as??

My perception of God is that there no thing that can describe God because God is no thing. God is not matter and energy like us and God exists outside of our four dimension space time. In fact the premise is that God is no thing. That God is a spirit. A spirit is no thing. Being things we can't possibly relate to being no things. A two dimensional being would have an easier time trying to understand our third dimension than we - a four dimensional being - would in trying to understand a multi-dimensional being outside of our space time. The closest I can come to and later confirm with the physical laws is that God is consciousness. That Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

^^^^^^^ WORD SALAD ALERT!

That's what people say when they can't rebut it.

"God is no thing". I don't know whether to agree with that or not.

 

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“General Theory of Supernatural Creation”

Anyone?

Nathan Aviezer - American-Israeli physicist and Professor of Physics and former Chairman of the Physics Department of Bar-Ilan University, responds, "If I had to make up a theory to match the first passages in Genesis, the Big Bang theory would be it."

Could New Scientific Discovery Support Creation?

Nathan Aviezer - Wikipedia