Zone1 The Whole Story On What Scott Adams Said

[Lisa558]

No I wasn't at Woodstock. And I wasn't a hippy.

But hey... you must not have read everything I've posted.

I'm offering you the chance to make some big money, easy.

You called me a liar, and said I was not part of the Civil Rights movement. "Imaginary" you said.

So ... put your money where your mouth is.

You snivelling little coward.

Just for clarification - yes, I’m reading along - the reason I KNOW Joe is an antisemite is because he called Judaism “my fucking religion” when addressing me and castigated me for remaining Jewish insteas of abandoning It.

 

[Doug1943]

Just for clarification - yes, I’m reading along - the reason I KNOW Joe is an antisemite is because he called Judaism “my fucking religion” when addressing me and castigated me for remaining Jewish insteas of abandoning It.

The Jews show other ethnic minorities how to participate fully in the advance of humanity -- in fact, they've been in the vanguard of it -- while retaining, if they want to, their historic roots, customs, traditions, etc. (An interesting blend of these can be found here, started by an old friend of mine: Nishmat Shalom )

"Assimilation" is not a very good word to use. Rather, it's "Participation". Participation in modern science and commerce and culture and all the wonderful avenues of human development modernity has opened up.

If the old Grand Mufti, or whatever the Arab leader was called, back before WWII, had been smart, he would have said to Hitler ..."What? You want to kick out all your Jews? And a lot of them want to come here? You're giving us all those mathematicians, scientists, engineers, entrepreneurs, poets, novellists, composers ... and all we have to do is give them a few thousand square miles of desert to call their own? What's the trick?"

If he had done that, the Middle East would today be a super-Hong Kong, melded with what Vienna was becoming after WWI, the cultural capital of the world. It would be the economic and cultural center of the planet ... the United Semites Federation. Instead ...

 

[JoeB131]

No matter how hard you imagine a perfect world, there will always be children who are failures. They will lack the ability to learn complex subjects, or are too lazy to apply themselves to learning, or just don't give a damn. You can pour money and resources into trying to educate them, but it won't accomplish anything. That kind of kid comes from all parts of the financial spectrum from the very poor to the very rich. Royalty, despite having every advantage turns out dud children.
And by the way despite your ignorant protestations, market forces ALWAYS work in the end unless government interferes.

Market forces work very well for the few.

Why the rest of us keep putting up with it is the question.

So let's take America. 40% of the population control less than 1% of the wealth. The market forces haven't worked for them. Not because they are bad people, but just because of luck, accidents of birth, whatever.

the next 20% control a whopping 4% of the wealth. The Market forces aren't really working for them, either. Fortunately, the GOP has managed to play on their religious, sexual and racial fears to keep them voting against their own economic interests.

The next 20% (where I probably fall, at least this year) controls 8% of the wealth.

The top 20% controls 87% of the wealth. I guess the market works for them, but why do the rest of us put up with it?

 

[BackAgain]

Saw the headline. Decided the only possible answer is “who cares?”

 

[JoeB131]

What a coward you are, little man.

Called me a liar, I said I can easily prove what I said about my past, to any three people we agree on. And if they agree I'm lying, you get ... $10 000 or whatever we agree to each put up together with a third party.

Forest, I don't really care about your delusions...

You'd have to be like 80 years old to do what you claimed to have done.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Market forces work very well for the few.

Why the rest of us keep putting up with it is the question.

So let's take America. 40% of the population control less than 1% of the wealth. The market forces haven't worked for them. Not because they are bad people, but just because of luck, accidents of birth, whatever.

the next 20% control a whopping 4% of the wealth. The Market forces aren't really working for them, either. Fortunately, the GOP has managed to play on their religious, sexual and racial fears to keep them voting against their own economic interests.

The next 20% (where I probably fall, at least this year) controls 8% of the wealth.

The top 20% controls 87% of the wealth. I guess the market works for them, but why do the rest of us put up with it?

Market forces work for everyone. You are rewarded for your effort. The more capable you are the more you earn.

 

[AMart]

Scott Adams fell for the race baiting.

Pro-Trump cartoonist Scott Adams pulled the mask all the way off this week, declaring on his podcast that white people should “get the hell away from Black people” while labeling African-Americans as a “hate group.”

Citing a recent Rasmussen survey showing 53 percent of Black people agree with the phrase “It’s okay to be white,” which the Anti-Defamation League has deemed a hate slogan, Adams said on Wednesday that this was the “first political poll that ever changed my activities” while launching into an overtly racist rant.

news.yahoo.com/dilbert-guy-tells-white-people-192734727.html

His first mistake was citing a Rassmussen poll.

'Dilbert' deservedly gets canceled. But there’s more blame to spread around.
Scott Adams might not have made these specific racist remarks if not for Rasmussen Reports and its incendiary questions.

Rasmussen Reports pollsters asked 1,000 people to agree or disagree with two statements: “It’s OK to be white” and “Black people can be racist, too.” Nothing good was ever going to come from those questions, and it was irresponsible and incendiary for Rasmussen to use those questions, and only those questions, in a survey.

In promoting its poll results, which depressingly found that most Americans think Black people can be racist, Rasmussen Reports used the headline “Not ‘Woke’ Yet? Most Voters Reject Anti-White Beliefs.” Get it? To be “woke” is to be anti-white. No polling organization that would make such an assertion should be given any attention when it attempts to analyze American race relations.

Rasmussen Reports was asking people, including Black people, to agree with phrases associated with racist people and racist politics. And Adams got mad at Black people — and bizarrely vowed to withdraw his help from Black Americans — because reportedly 26% of Black respondents refused to play along and disagreed with the statement “It’s OK to be white.”

www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/newspapers-rightly-cut-dilbert-scott-adams-racist-rant-rcna72491

Is it ok to be white?

 

[Doug1943]

Is it ok to be white?

Well ... if you look at European history -- including the history being made right this minute in Ukraine -- it depends on what kind of white you are. It's "okay to be white" if you're the right kind of white. Otherwise ... pow!

Whites have turned out to be pretty good at killing other whites over there ... and we white Americans had a good go at each other at about 150 years ago.

We're all, regardless of color, part of a pretty nasty species, now in a race to keep our civilizing instincts ahead of our ability to invent ever more lethal ways to destroy ourselves.

 

[Lisa558]

The Jews show other ethnic minorities how to participate fully in the advance of humanity -- in fact, they've been in the vanguard of it -- while retaining, if they want to, their historic roots, customs, traditions, etc. (An interesting blend of these can be found here, started by an old friend of mine: Nishmat Shalom )

"Assimilation" is not a very good word to use. Rather, it's "Participation". Participation in modern science and commerce and culture and all the wonderful avenues of human development modernity has opened up.

If the old Grand Mufti, or whatever the Arab leader was called, back before WWII, had been smart, he would have said to Hitler ..."What? You want to kick out all your Jews? And a lot of them want to come here? You're giving us all those mathematicians, scientists, engineers, entrepreneurs, poets, novellists, composers ... and all we have to do is give them a few thousand square miles of desert to call their own? What's the trick?"

If he had done that, the Middle East would today be a super-Hong Kong, melded with what Vienna was becoming after WWI, the cultural capital of the world. It would be the economic and cultural center of the planet ... the United Semites Federation. Instead ...

Ah…..would could have been.

The only problems are that 1) the Grand Mufti would never have wanted the engineers, scientists, poets, composers, etc., to come to his arid wasteland because he and his people would prefer to remain in a backward wasteland than have….shudder….JOOOS there, and 2) Hitler didn’t want to kick out all the Jews; he wanted them eliminated entirely.

Other than that, it’s a nice dream.

 

[Lisa558]

No matter how hard you imagine a perfect world, there will always be children who are failures. They will lack the ability to learn complex subjects, or are too lazy to apply themselves to learning, or just don't give a damn. You can pour money and resources into trying to educate them, but it won't accomplish anything. That kind of kid comes from all parts of the financial spectrum from the very poor to the very rich. Royalty, despite having every advantage turns out dud children.
And by the way despite your ignorant protestations, market forces ALWAYS work in the end unless government interferes.

It’s part of the liberal mindset to think that all children will be successes if only they were given the right tools because, after all, everyone Is “equal.”

They don’t want to admit that some don’t amount to anything, or are out-and-out losers, because they lack either intelligence or motivation, or both. BOTH are innate, inherited traits.

 

[Flash]

Wow, you are living in a fantasy world, aren't you?

The problem with a world of "winners" and "Losers" is eventually the losers get tired of playing.

What is wrong with a welfare state that little Socialist shits like you love so much is sooner or later money runs out for those that pay.

You little pathetic shits are always losers. Too sorry to pay your own bills.

 

[Doug1943]

Ah…..would could have been.

The only problems are that 1) the Grand Mufti would never have wanted the engineers, scientists, poets, composers, etc., to come to his arid wasteland because he and his people would prefer to remain in a backward wasteland than have….shudder….JOOOS there, and 2) Hitler didn’t want to kick out all the Jews; he wanted them eliminated entirely.

Other than that, it’s a nice dream.

Well, we could have a discussion/argument about those assertions. But not here.

 

[Lisa558]

Well, we could have a discussion/argument about those assertions. But not here.

Another time.

 

[Doug1943]

It’s part of the liberal mindset to think that all children will be successes if only they were given the right tools because, after all, everyone Is “equal.”

They don’t want to admit that some don’t amount to anything, or are out-and-out losers, because they lack either intelligence or motivation, or both. BOTH are innate, inherited traits.

Not "given the right tools". Rather "Put in the right environment". That environment must include teachers in the likeness of Katherine Birbalsingh who runs Michaela School in the UK, whom I have mentioned here before. Tough love.

For centuries, the goyim thought of the Jews as sneaky, cowardly, sly -- clever perhaps, but not brave warriors. A "Jewish General" would have been a joke. Well, they weren't in the right environment for the 'brave warrior' personality traits to come out, or to be motivated to become great generals.

Then comes 1948 ... and now, everyone knows the IDF is the best army in the world, and not just because of its technical excellence. [I remember, when we were losing the war in Vietnam (and after the Six-Day War) a cartoon of half-a-dozen American generals around a planning table, all of them wearing Moshe Dayan-style eyepatches, one of them saying "Now here's my plan...."]

Go to Guatemala, out to the countryside. The poor devils there ... living in little shacks. Backward, inert. But ... these are the children of the Mayas! Who were doing serious astronomy 2000 years ago! What happened? Peru ... the Incas. Egypt!
Hell, Greece! Italy! But national groups don't only have to go down. They can go up, or come back up.

When I was a little kid, "Chinamen" were objects of ignorant mirth. Their sing-song language was mocked, the men wore dresses, and had pig-tails, ha ha ha. The Chinese Revolution had just happened and hadn't made an impression on us yet. Then came the Korean War ... and a few decades of internal development in China, rough, admittedly, but real... -- with a long diversion in the 'Great Leap Forward' and the 'Cultural Revolution', and now no one laughs at them anymore. They win all the Mathematical Olympiads ... of course, occasionally the American team wins ... but it's made up almost entirely of Chinese-Americans.

Black parents who aren't Muslims try desperately to get their kids into Nation of Islam schools (the 'Black Muslims'). Here's why:

The NOI is highly critical of the U.S. school system, believing that, by being Eurocentric in its focus and concealing the achievement of non-white societies, it perpetuates white supremacy. To this end, the Nation has established its own educational system. Across the U.S. it has established Muhammad Universities of Islam; most of these are elementary schools, although a few also offer secondary education. These emphasize science, mathematics, black history, Arabic, and NOI doctrine;

Farrakhan has said that they need to provide black children with "an education to make them Gods." In these schools, boys and girls are taught separately; pupils are only given two weeks of vacation each year Combating the idea that academic achievement entails "acting white," the Nation has sought to associate hard work in school with pride in being black.

How I would love to see a mass influx of American poor Black people into the Nation of Islam!

I am NOT saying, by the way, that genes play no role. They probably do, but exactly what, how they interact with the environment ... we don't know yet. Look at the 'Flynn Effect' -- the rise, by about 3 points a decade, in the average IQ ... (maybe now in reverse)... whatever caused that, it wasn't some change in the genes.

Note: it's not just a change in teaching methods that's needed. It's not a question, really, of more money.

Little JoeLiarCowardHypocrite dodged my questions to him earlier about how, since Japan gets better academic results than the US, and Florida gets better academic results than the Distict of Columbia, maybe the US should match Japan's educational expenditure, and DC should match Florida's.

He was wise to do so, since that would have meant a substantial lowering in expenditure for both of them. (DC spends about twice as much per pupil as Florida.)

It's the environment, above all the moral/spiritual environment, which can change people's perceptions of themselves and what is possible. It happened to the European Jews who found themselves fighting for their own nation, it happened to the Chinese, who found themselves throwing off imperialist domination ... both of them led by very different leaders, with radically different ideologies, but by leaders who had in common a belief that their people could achieve miracles.

And they did.

 

[JoeB131]

Ah…..would could have been.

The only problems are that 1) the Grand Mufti would never have wanted the engineers, scientists, poets, composers, etc., to come to his arid wasteland because he and his people would prefer to remain in a backward wasteland than have….shudder….JOOOS there, and 2) Hitler didn’t want to kick out all the Jews; he wanted them eliminated entirely.

Other than that, it’s a nice dream.

Actually, the original Nazi plan was to send them to Palestine.
Exterminating them didn't become a goal until 1942.

It’s part of the liberal mindset to think that all children will be successes if only they were given the right tools because, after all, everyone Is “equal.”

They don’t want to admit that some don’t amount to anything, or are out-and-out losers, because they lack either intelligence or motivation, or both. BOTH are innate, inherited traits.

Or maybe we don't think that people are only as valuable as to what the contribute to the rat race.

 

[JoeB131]

What is wrong with a welfare state that little Socialist shits like you love so much is sooner or later money runs out for those that pay.

You little pathetic shits are always losers. Too sorry to pay your own bills.

Actually, there's plenty of money to go around. The problem is that it isn't fairly distributed.

40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth, while 1% of the population has 43% of the wealth. THis is the problem, really.

You said I lied about my past in the Civil Rights movement.

Boy you are awfully sensitive about that lie, Forest. Nope, just going to report you for violating Zone 1 rules if you can't stay on topic.

 

[Doug1943]

Actually, there's plenty of money to go around. The problem is that it isn't fairly distributed.

40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth, while 1% of the population has 43% of the wealth. THis is the problem, really.


Boy you are awfully sensitive about that lie, Forest. Nope, just going to report you for violating Zone 1 rules if you can't stay on topic.

Edited for a zone 1 violation-meister

We both choose three people that we trust. We both put up, say $10,000 each to someone to hld in trust. I submit evidence that I'm telliing the truth about my involvement in the civil rights movement. If they determine I've lied, you get my money. If they determine that I told the truth, I get yours.

Why don't you want to do this? Well, obviously, it's because you don't want to lose your money, because, by now, you know I'm telling the truth. (As for being 'off topic', you are the one who introduced the question of my personal veracity, not me. You're just trying to squirm out of it, because you know how bad this exchange looks for you, to any honest person reading it.)

Again, I want to stess to anyone else reading this: there are plenty of decent, honorable people on the Left. They are misguided in their overall views, but their intentions are good. AND ... not everything they say, not everything they propose, is wrong. We DO have an economic problem in the US, and just the unfettered free market alone will not solve it.

So we need to have a serious debate/discussion with honest people on the Left.

However, this guy is not one of them. He openly says

--- Black people can't think for themselves -- all those Black conservative intellectuals, with dozens of books to their credit and hundreds of refereed acadmic papers in linguistics, sociology, economics ... are just Uncle Toms!

--- he wants them to stay in the horrible 'schools' they are now in, instead of getting into schools that are proved to enormously increase their non-white pupils' academic results;

--- he says the descendants of white settlers in Africa need to leave, unless permitted to stay by the indigenous population , but he says that doesn't apply to him, a descendandt of white settlers who took the land of the indigenous population away from them at gunpoint. He admits he's living on land stolen from the indigenous inhabitants of North America, but he's not about to turn the deeds of his own property over to the nearest Native American tribe!

What we have here is a narcissist. Deeply personally dishonest, a coward who's afraid to back up his slanders, a racist, someone who flaunts his white settler privilege ... and yet claims to be on the Left!

Really, this guy makes me want to go take a hot shower just from reading his words!

 

[Lisa558]

Not "given the right tools". Rather "Put in the right environment". That environment must include teachers in the likeness of Katherine Birbalsingh who runs Michaela School in the UK, whom I have mentioned here before. Tough love.

For centuries, the goyim thought of the Jews as sneaky, cowardly, sly -- clever perhaps, but not brave warriors. A "Jewish General" would have been a joke. Well, they weren't in the right environment for the 'brave warrior' personality traits to come out, or to be motivated to become great generals.

Then comes 1948 ... and now, everyone knows the IDF is the best army in the world, and not just because of its technical excellence. [I remember, when we were losing the war in Vietnam (and after the Six-Day War) a cartoon of half-a-dozen American generals around a planning table, all of them wearing Moshe Dayan-style eyepatches, one of them saying "Now here's my plan...."]

Go to Guatemala, out to the countryside. The poor devils there ... living in little shacks. Backward, inert. But ... these are the children of the Mayas! Who were doing serious astronomy 2000 years ago! What happened? Peru ... the Incas. Egypt!
Hell, Greece! Italy! But national groups don't only have to go down. They can go up, or come back up.

When I was a little kid, "Chinamen" were objects of ignorant mirth. Their sing-song language was mocked, the men wore dresses, and had pig-tails, ha ha ha. The Chinese Revolution had just happened and hadn't made an impression on us yet. Then came the Korean War ... and a few decades of internal development in China, rough, admittedly, but real... -- with a long diversion in the 'Great Leap Forward' and the 'Cultural Revolution', and now no one laughs at them anymore. They win all the Mathematical Olympiads ... of course, occasionally the American team wins ... but it's made up almost entirely of Chinese-Americans.

Black parents who aren't Muslims try desperately to get their kids into Nation of Islam schools (the 'Black Muslims'). Here's why:



How I would love to see a mass influx of American poor Black people into the Nation of Islam!

I am NOT saying, by the way, that genes play no role. They probably do, but exactly what, how they interact with the environment ... we don't know yet. Look at the 'Flynn Effect' -- the rise, by about 3 points a decade, in the average IQ ... (maybe now in reverse)... whatever caused that, it wasn't some change in the genes.

Note: it's not just a change in teaching methods that's needed. It's not a question, really, of more money.

Little JoeLiarCowardHypocrite dodged my questions to him earlier about how, since Japan gets better academic results than the US, and Florida gets better academic results than the Distict of Columbia, maybe the US should match Japan's educational expenditure, and DC should match Florida's.

He was wise to do so, since that would have meant a substantial lowering in expenditure for both of them. (DC spends about twice as much per pupil as Florida.)

It's the environment, above all the moral/spiritual environment, which can change people's perceptions of themselves and what is possible. It happened to the European Jews who found themselves fighting for their own nation, it happened to the Chinese, who found themselves throwing off imperialist domination ... both of them led by very different leaders, with radically different ideologies, but by leaders who had in common a belief that their people could achieve miracles.

And they did.

…. And an environment that emphasizes education, waiting until marriage for children, respecting authority and obeying laws, and employing self-discipline and motivation to achieve. Jews and Asians have these environments in common.

 

[Lisa558]

What a coward you are, LittleLyingHypocriteRacistJoe! I'm giving you the opportunity to make some real money, which you can re-distribute to the poor if you like.

We both choose three people that we trust. We both put up, say $10,000 each to someone to hld in trust. I submit evidence that I'm telliing the truth about my involvement in the civil rights movement. If they determine I've lied, you get my money. If they determine that I told the truth, I get yours.

Why don't you want to do this? Well, obviously, it's because you don't want to lose your money, because, by now, you know I'm telling the truth. (As for being 'off topic', you are the one who introduced the question of my personal veracity, not me. You're just trying to squirm out of it, because you know how bad this exchange looks for you, to any honest person reading it.)

Again, I want to stess to anyone else reading this: there are plenty of decent, honorable people on the Left. They are misguided in their overall views, but their intentions are good. AND ... not everything they say, not everything they propose, is wrong. We DO have an economic problem in the US, and just the unfettered free market alone will not solve it.

So we need to have a serious debate/discussion with honest people on the Left.

However, this guy is not one of them. He openly says

--- Black people can't think for themselves -- all those Black conservative intellectuals, with dozens of books to their credit and hundreds of refereed acadmic papers in linguistics, sociology, economics ... are just Uncle Toms!

--- he wants them to stay in the horrible 'schools' they are now in, instead of getting into schools that are proved to enormously increase their non-white pupils' academic results;

--- he says the descendants of white settlers in Africa need to leave, unless permitted to stay by the indigenous population , but he says that doesn't apply to him, a descendandt of white settlers who took the land of the indigenous population away from them at gunpoint. He admits he's living on land stolen from the indigenous inhabitants of North America, but he's not about to turn the deeds of his own property over to the nearest Native American tribe!

What we have here is a narcissist. Deeply personally dishonest, a coward who's afraid to back up his slanders, a racist, someone who flaunts his white settler privilege ... and yet claims to be on the Left!

Really, this guy makes me want to go take a hot shower just from reading his words!

I want in on your bet!

I usually keep JoeCowardHypocrite on ignore, so I don’t really know what he’s been saying. But PLEASE…..don’t enlighten me. I just had breakfast.

 

[Hector12]

Generally, Blacks don't like whites, and whites fear Blacks. Scott Adams just said out loud what everyone knows.

Here's a test for the latter assertion: you're walking down a dark street at night, hear footsteps behind you, turn around, and feel a sense of relief see that the people behind you are white. [Lisa! Don't spoil this!]

Two questions to white liberals: would YOU feel this way? And, does feeling this way in these circumstances, make someone a racist?

I've asked this question many times in various forums, and only once has a white liberal been willing to answer. (She said 'yes' -- anyone who feels that way is a racist. She didn't answer about how she would feel though.)

So, white liberals, over to you. Can you answer these questions?