The Voting Rights Debate

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The New York Times has unsurprisingly posted a totally devious and misleading characterization of the current voting rights disagreement (in Congress), and since it is not terribly complicated I thought I would put my take - the correct take - down in this forum.

There are two ways to approach a Presidential election. The first way - the traditional way that prevailed through 2016 - allowed the States to manage their own piece of the Presidential election, and for most states at played out as follows: All voters except those who truly could not come to the polls on Election Day were required to come to the polls when they were open on Election Day, establish their identity, and vote. Those who could not, filed an "Absentee Ballot," which had several security measures in place (copy of ID, witness signature, etc.) that varied from state to state. But the traditional method was fairly secure, and fraud was at least theoretically possible to discern. Usually it took the form of stuffing ballot boxes with "in-person" ballots.

Each state, in effect, held a popular election for President within that state, and the State's Electoral Votes were all given to the candidate who won that popular election. But again, it is up to the states, and they could decide to apportion their Electoral Votes, or even to award them to the Presidential candidate who wins the national popular vote. Democrats are keen to take this step, since the Democrat usually wins the national popular vote, but unfortunately for them, most of the state legislatures are controlled by Republicans.

The second way, ushered in by both rational and irrational fears of infection with the Corona Virus, added various ways, manners, and times of voting, supposedly to enhance voter safety. Votes could be cast by mail, in advance, WITHOUT the precautions that had previously been required for Absentee Ballots. Ballots could be cast at Drop Boxes distributed throughout the voting district, with few real controls on how those Drop Boxes were managed, collected, and the votes counted. Also, in some states the hours for in-person voting were expanded. On top of all this, Democrats introduced the nefarious practice of "ballot harvesting" in which third party (not government-authorized) partisans could float around the voting district, passing out, and collecting ballots, and - presumably - "helping" voters to fill out their ballots. Since these people were ALWAYS Democrat partisans, the practice has garnered outrage among all people who want a fair election for any number of possible abuses, including discarding the votes of those who do not vote as the "Harvester" desires.

Like it or not, this second way introduced a mountain of opportunities for fraud. Without the precautions that had been in place for Absentee Ballots, it was simply too easy to cast votes for non-voters, and those ballots would be indistinguishable from legitimate votes, and thus the fraud could never be proven. This is the evil genius behind the practices of the Second Way.

Simply put, Joe Biden won the 2020 election under the second way described above, and he would not have won under traditional rules.

So the Democrats in Congress want to ensure that those loose, unsecure rules prevail EVERYWHERE, FROM NOW ON. They have introduced legislation to that effect, and are pushing as hard as they can to get it passed.

The Constitution is not as clear as it should be on the matter, seeming to leave elections in the hands of the States (under the philosophy of "Federalism'), but leaving the door open for Congress to modify state rules.

The secondary (or primary) impact of these rules is that, regardless of how minimal the formal voting requirements are, the fewer the rules, the more Blacks vote. If you impose a mandatory government photo ID - even if you provide them FREE from the state - fewer Blacks will vote. If you confine voting to Election Day, fewer Blacks will vote. And Blacks vote 95% of the time for Democrats.

So the Republicans want to revert to the 2016 rules, including requiring a photo ID, and having THE SAME security controls on Mail-In votes as for Absentee Ballots, and Democrats want, figuratively speaking, the "wild, Wild West," with no rational restrictions at all.

If there is any intellectual defense for the Democrat position it is the fallacy of "disparate impact," which states that any initiative that has the RESULT of treating "minorities" differently from "white" folks is presumptively discriminatory.

And there you have it.

It is unlikely that the Democrats can get their "Voting Rights" legislation to Joe Biden's desk, because it would require the elimination of the Senate's filibuster rule, and at least one Democrat Senator is on record saying he won't go along with that. Barring even more nefarious action by the Schumer fellow, it would take 60 votes to eliminate the filibuster, and that ain't happening.
 
Keep the filibuster and forget about the voter fraud act. But make sure you remember all the crooked bastards who pushed for this bill.
These people are really fucking nuts....nutso......krazy............disturbed

Always have been but TDS brought it all out of them. Like puss out of a boil
 
Voting, 1 day only.

Open polls at Monday night, midnight, they stay open til midnight Tuesday night.


In person, unless physically incapable of going to the polls.

Picture ID mandatory. In this day and age, no reason you can't get one.
 
The New York Times has unsurprisingly posted a totally devious and misleading characterization of the current voting rights disagreement (in Congress), and since it is not terribly complicated I thought I would put my take - the correct take - down in this forum.

There are two ways to approach a Presidential election. The first way - the traditional way that prevailed through 2016 - allowed the States to manage their own piece of the Presidential election, and for most states at played out as follows: All voters except those who truly could not come to the polls on Election Day were required to come to the polls when they were open on Election Day, establish their identity, and vote. Those who could not, filed an "Absentee Ballot," which had several security measures in place (copy of ID, witness signature, etc.) that varied from state to state. But the traditional method was fairly secure, and fraud was at least theoretically possible to discern. Usually it took the form of stuffing ballot boxes with "in-person" ballots.

Each state, in effect, held a popular election for President within that state, and the State's Electoral Votes were all given to the candidate who won that popular election. But again, it is up to the states, and they could decide to apportion their Electoral Votes, or even to award them to the Presidential candidate who wins the national popular vote. Democrats are keen to take this step, since the Democrat usually wins the national popular vote, but unfortunately for them, most of the state legislatures are controlled by Republicans.

The second way, ushered in by both rational and irrational fears of infection with the Corona Virus, added various ways, manners, and times of voting, supposedly to enhance voter safety. Votes could be cast by mail, in advance, WITHOUT the precautions that had previously been required for Absentee Ballots. Ballots could be cast at Drop Boxes distributed throughout the voting district, with few real controls on how those Drop Boxes were managed, collected, and the votes counted. Also, in some states the hours for in-person voting were expanded. On top of all this, Democrats introduced the nefarious practice of "ballot harvesting" in which third party (not government-authorized) partisans could float around the voting district, passing out, and collecting ballots, and - presumably - "helping" voters to fill out their ballots. Since these people were ALWAYS Democrat partisans, the practice has garnered outrage among all people who want a fair election for any number of possible abuses, including discarding the votes of those who do not vote as the "Harvester" desires.

Like it or not, this second way introduced a mountain of opportunities for fraud. Without the precautions that had been in place for Absentee Ballots, it was simply too easy to cast votes for non-voters, and those ballots would be indistinguishable from legitimate votes, and thus the fraud could never be proven. This is the evil genius behind the practices of the Second Way.

Simply put, Joe Biden won the 2020 election under the second way described above, and he would not have won under traditional rules.

So the Democrats in Congress want to ensure that those loose, unsecure rules prevail EVERYWHERE, FROM NOW ON. They have introduced legislation to that effect, and are pushing as hard as they can to get it passed.

The Constitution is not as clear as it should be on the matter, seeming to leave elections in the hands of the States (under the philosophy of "Federalism'), but leaving the door open for Congress to modify state rules.

The secondary (or primary) impact of these rules is that, regardless of how minimal the formal voting requirements are, the fewer the rules, the more Blacks vote. If you impose a mandatory government photo ID - even if you provide them FREE from the state - fewer Blacks will vote. If you confine voting to Election Day, fewer Blacks will vote. And Blacks vote 95% of the time for Democrats.

So the Republicans want to revert to the 2016 rules, including requiring a photo ID, and having THE SAME security controls on Mail-In votes as for Absentee Ballots, and Democrats want, figuratively speaking, the "wild, Wild West," with no rational restrictions at all.

If there is any intellectual defense for the Democrat position it is the fallacy of "disparate impact," which states that any initiative that has the RESULT of treating "minorities" differently from "white" folks is presumptively discriminatory.

And there you have it.

It is unlikely that the Democrats can get their "Voting Rights" legislation to Joe Biden's desk, because it would require the elimination of the Senate's filibuster rule, and at least one Democrat Senator is on record saying he won't go along with that. Barring even more nefarious action by the Schumer fellow, it would take 60 votes to eliminate the filibuster, and that ain't happening.
The Dems will make is a racial issue and call the Republicans racist for blocking their "voting rights" bill
 
I personally prefer the rule that prevails in most Western Democracies: Vote on Sunday. One time, one date, in-person only. But I would allow legitimate Absentee Ballots, if only to benefit overseas military.
 
Every dem and lib shouts down anyone that suggests the 2020 election was stolen...they say Biden won huge with 81 million votes...if that's true and they believe what they say why do they also say that elections need fixing?....they won!...if they was fair and square the system must not be broken....

But elected dems are pushing to kill the filibuster to get their way on voter reform of a system they won under and doesn't need to be changed...or did they really steal the election and they know they can't win without stealing the next one too?....
 
The New York Times has unsurprisingly posted a totally devious and misleading characterization of the current voting rights disagreement (in Congress), and since it is not terribly complicated I thought I would put my take - the correct take - down in this forum.

There are two ways to approach a Presidential election. The first way - the traditional way that prevailed through 2016 - allowed the States to manage their own piece of the Presidential election, and for most states at played out as follows: All voters except those who truly could not come to the polls on Election Day were required to come to the polls when they were open on Election Day, establish their identity, and vote. Those who could not, filed an "Absentee Ballot," which had several security measures in place (copy of ID, witness signature, etc.) that varied from state to state. But the traditional method was fairly secure, and fraud was at least theoretically possible to discern. Usually it took the form of stuffing ballot boxes with "in-person" ballots.

Each state, in effect, held a popular election for President within that state, and the State's Electoral Votes were all given to the candidate who won that popular election. But again, it is up to the states, and they could decide to apportion their Electoral Votes, or even to award them to the Presidential candidate who wins the national popular vote. Democrats are keen to take this step, since the Democrat usually wins the national popular vote, but unfortunately for them, most of the state legislatures are controlled by Republicans.

The second way, ushered in by both rational and irrational fears of infection with the Corona Virus, added various ways, manners, and times of voting, supposedly to enhance voter safety. Votes could be cast by mail, in advance, WITHOUT the precautions that had previously been required for Absentee Ballots. Ballots could be cast at Drop Boxes distributed throughout the voting district, with few real controls on how those Drop Boxes were managed, collected, and the votes counted. Also, in some states the hours for in-person voting were expanded. On top of all this, Democrats introduced the nefarious practice of "ballot harvesting" in which third party (not government-authorized) partisans could float around the voting district, passing out, and collecting ballots, and - presumably - "helping" voters to fill out their ballots. Since these people were ALWAYS Democrat partisans, the practice has garnered outrage among all people who want a fair election for any number of possible abuses, including discarding the votes of those who do not vote as the "Harvester" desires.

Like it or not, this second way introduced a mountain of opportunities for fraud. Without the precautions that had been in place for Absentee Ballots, it was simply too easy to cast votes for non-voters, and those ballots would be indistinguishable from legitimate votes, and thus the fraud could never be proven. This is the evil genius behind the practices of the Second Way.

Simply put, Joe Biden won the 2020 election under the second way described above, and he would not have won under traditional rules.

So the Democrats in Congress want to ensure that those loose, unsecure rules prevail EVERYWHERE, FROM NOW ON. They have introduced legislation to that effect, and are pushing as hard as they can to get it passed.

The Constitution is not as clear as it should be on the matter, seeming to leave elections in the hands of the States (under the philosophy of "Federalism'), but leaving the door open for Congress to modify state rules.

The secondary (or primary) impact of these rules is that, regardless of how minimal the formal voting requirements are, the fewer the rules, the more Blacks vote. If you impose a mandatory government photo ID - even if you provide them FREE from the state - fewer Blacks will vote. If you confine voting to Election Day, fewer Blacks will vote. And Blacks vote 95% of the time for Democrats.

So the Republicans want to revert to the 2016 rules, including requiring a photo ID, and having THE SAME security controls on Mail-In votes as for Absentee Ballots, and Democrats want, figuratively speaking, the "wild, Wild West," with no rational restrictions at all.

If there is any intellectual defense for the Democrat position it is the fallacy of "disparate impact," which states that any initiative that has the RESULT of treating "minorities" differently from "white" folks is presumptively discriminatory.

And there you have it.

It is unlikely that the Democrats can get their "Voting Rights" legislation to Joe Biden's desk, because it would require the elimination of the Senate's filibuster rule, and at least one Democrat Senator is on record saying he won't go along with that. Barring even more nefarious action by the Schumer fellow, it would take 60 votes to eliminate the filibuster, and that ain't happening.

The Lt Governor of Texas is offering $25,000 per incidence of proven voter fraud.

So far, only one person has claimed their $25,000. He turned in a Republican who voted by mail in ballot and then filled out the mail in ballot of his recently deceased wife and mailed that in too.

With modern computers voting is very secure.
 
The New York Times has unsurprisingly posted a totally devious and misleading characterization of the current voting rights disagreement (in Congress), and since it is not terribly complicated I thought I would put my take - the correct take - down in this forum.

There are two ways to approach a Presidential election. The first way - the traditional way that prevailed through 2016 - allowed the States to manage their own piece of the Presidential election, and for most states at played out as follows: All voters except those who truly could not come to the polls on Election Day were required to come to the polls when they were open on Election Day, establish their identity, and vote. Those who could not, filed an "Absentee Ballot," which had several security measures in place (copy of ID, witness signature, etc.) that varied from state to state. But the traditional method was fairly secure, and fraud was at least theoretically possible to discern. Usually it took the form of stuffing ballot boxes with "in-person" ballots.

Each state, in effect, held a popular election for President within that state, and the State's Electoral Votes were all given to the candidate who won that popular election. But again, it is up to the states, and they could decide to apportion their Electoral Votes, or even to award them to the Presidential candidate who wins the national popular vote. Democrats are keen to take this step, since the Democrat usually wins the national popular vote, but unfortunately for them, most of the state legislatures are controlled by Republicans.

The second way, ushered in by both rational and irrational fears of infection with the Corona Virus, added various ways, manners, and times of voting, supposedly to enhance voter safety. Votes could be cast by mail, in advance, WITHOUT the precautions that had previously been required for Absentee Ballots. Ballots could be cast at Drop Boxes distributed throughout the voting district, with few real controls on how those Drop Boxes were managed, collected, and the votes counted. Also, in some states the hours for in-person voting were expanded. On top of all this, Democrats introduced the nefarious practice of "ballot harvesting" in which third party (not government-authorized) partisans could float around the voting district, passing out, and collecting ballots, and - presumably - "helping" voters to fill out their ballots. Since these people were ALWAYS Democrat partisans, the practice has garnered outrage among all people who want a fair election for any number of possible abuses, including discarding the votes of those who do not vote as the "Harvester" desires.

Like it or not, this second way introduced a mountain of opportunities for fraud. Without the precautions that had been in place for Absentee Ballots, it was simply too easy to cast votes for non-voters, and those ballots would be indistinguishable from legitimate votes, and thus the fraud could never be proven. This is the evil genius behind the practices of the Second Way.

Simply put, Joe Biden won the 2020 election under the second way described above, and he would not have won under traditional rules.

So the Democrats in Congress want to ensure that those loose, unsecure rules prevail EVERYWHERE, FROM NOW ON. They have introduced legislation to that effect, and are pushing as hard as they can to get it passed.

The Constitution is not as clear as it should be on the matter, seeming to leave elections in the hands of the States (under the philosophy of "Federalism'), but leaving the door open for Congress to modify state rules.

The secondary (or primary) impact of these rules is that, regardless of how minimal the formal voting requirements are, the fewer the rules, the more Blacks vote. If you impose a mandatory government photo ID - even if you provide them FREE from the state - fewer Blacks will vote. If you confine voting to Election Day, fewer Blacks will vote. And Blacks vote 95% of the time for Democrats.

So the Republicans want to revert to the 2016 rules, including requiring a photo ID, and having THE SAME security controls on Mail-In votes as for Absentee Ballots, and Democrats want, figuratively speaking, the "wild, Wild West," with no rational restrictions at all.

If there is any intellectual defense for the Democrat position it is the fallacy of "disparate impact," which states that any initiative that has the RESULT of treating "minorities" differently from "white" folks is presumptively discriminatory.

And there you have it.

It is unlikely that the Democrats can get their "Voting Rights" legislation to Joe Biden's desk, because it would require the elimination of the Senate's filibuster rule, and at least one Democrat Senator is on record saying he won't go along with that. Barring even more nefarious action by the Schumer fellow, it would take 60 votes to eliminate the filibuster, and that ain't happening.
I have nothing against mail-in ballots, if done without possibility of ballot harvesting by the unscrupulous on either side. I do think they should arrive no later than the day before in person voting, should include signature matching, even picture matching, maybe even thumbprint matching. You can't tell me, in this age of modern technology and biometric ID, there is no way to do it. You just have to want to do it. I don't think republicans want every citizen with voting rights over 18 voting, period, and the democrats favor keeping it loosey-goosey as possible. I do not think mass mailing of unsolicited mail-in ballots should legally be sent by any state. If voting is a second thought to somebody, I don't care if they vote or not. I like early in person voting and always have. It should be two weeks, 8 hours a day, until the day before the in person voting, including Saturdays and Sundays and only at one location per county. That is long enough for anybody with job conflicts to get to the polls. Lastly, I think all voting should be done with a government issued ID, provided without fee to the citizen and obtainable through state government offices, including state colleges and universities.
 
I have no problem with mail-in ballots. I just think they should have the same security measures as Absentee Ballots. Provide a copy of a photo ID, SIgn it, have it witnessed and notarized.

No problem.
 
These last 20 years we have had a good dose of democrats fairness The finding of ballots stuck in voting machines that flipped the total for democrats and the uselessness of repugs that never protested these frauds or the vote of 2020 that is just a big joke to repugs. Biden was a basement dweller and when he did show up for some speech no one showed up to see it. Even obama said if you want it all fucked up send Joe. this was the one time he was right. If Joe isn't putting his foot in his mouth then he is shitting on government and religious leaders.
 
For those who are interested in the truth, the film, "2000 Mules," virtually proves massive fraud in 4-5 different venues, sufficient to change the results of the election. Biden would have won the meaningless popular vote, but Trump won the Electoral College, fair & square.

The reason why I say, "virtually proved" is that one must use a bit of inferential logic to draw the correct conclusion. The films proves that tens of thousands of votes were illegally cast in Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Pennsylvania. Where those ballots actually originated is unknown; for whom they were cast is unknown - maybe they were Trump votes. The ballots were collected by Leftist advocacy groups and the ballot-box-stuffing occurred exclusively in heavily Democrat precincts - draw your own conclusions.

If the Republicans don't have a HUMAN OBSERVER watching every single ballot box in those precincts in November, they deserve to lose. Fool me once...and all that.
 

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