The Ultimate Difference between Bill Clinton and Trump investigations (Starr vs Mueller); Deep State

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First of all: What happened to Bill Clinton was an absolute disgrace and stain on our nation. Republicans bear that shame to this day.

However, the investigation against Bill Clinton was practically 100% public and done in plain view of the American people and was conducted by Congress.

The investigation against Trump was done by invisible an unelected bureaucrats, with most of the due process and investigation sources and methods hidden from view, and still remain hidden (hence Rand Paul's demand this week).

Congress has the power in impeach, and although Congress wielded that power most heinously in 1998-1999 against Bill Clinton, they did indeed have the power to do so. And, as such, the American People were able to easily identify and hold those Republicans accountable. Deeply rooted families in American, Colonial and medieval England politics, like the Livingstons, were politically annihilated in the aftermath.

What happened with Trump however, is far worse, and the ultimate depth of the rabbit hole remains unknown (again, hence Rand Paul's demand). Under the Obama Administration, very shady and unprecedented behavior, legally justified by a FISA warrant, obtained and engineered by a British Spy who colluded with Russians, bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, coupled with the planting of a Russian spy, Natalia V, inside of the Trump Tower, under the pretense of investigating Russian collusion.

However, pretense it was and pretense it remains. The effort was to hinder Trump's chances of taking the White House, and if that failed, to morph the initial proceedings into an "insurance policy," to remove Trump from office if he won.

This entire RUSSIA-GATE HOAX was NOT a HOAX. It was a deliberate attempt to overthrow a duly elected President, and in doing so these bad actors colluded with Fusion GPS, British spies and Russian agents (espionage), engaged in Sedition on Cable News (Brennan), and went even further to accuse Trump himself of treason to incite insurrection (at worst) or to obstruct Trump's ability to govern (at best) through a loss of confidence in his Presidency.

In doing so, many hostile foreign powers have benefited from the great rift and division between the American people, rendering Trump incapable of acting or brokering diplomacy, since no foreign state could be certain that Trump himself would remain in Office, and thus any potential treaty or agreement was subject to becoming null and void.

As such, these unelected bureaucrats, whom owe allegiance to the United States, have aided and abetted our enemies, mired international relations and also hindered Trump domestically in his ability to govern as the Chief Executive of the United States.

And who can the people now point the finger at now that this has all subsided with the Mueller report? There is no Livingston to (rightfully) take the fall. There are no ELECTED politicians that in any way, shape or form that can be held accountable in the court of public opinion. Each and every Democrat can claim that they were lied to, and truly believed (at the time) that these unelected bureaucrats were telling the truth and were going to indite Trump or someone very near him for Russian collusion.

An impeachment (as defined by the Consitution) can be metaphorically interpreted as a legalized coup, under the guise of justice, when that power is wielded in a reckless and partisan manner (impeachment of Bill Clinton), but at the end of the day, whether or not such an abuse of power were to have succeeded, the American People did not tolerate it, and more ELECTED Republicans SUFFERED RIGHTFULLY for their acts.

Who suffers now? Who is to blame? The Mueller investigation was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, AN IMPEACHMENT, in all but name (if the report found such evidence, Trump would have been rightfully removed from office and most likely executed for treason), but an impeachment done by unelected officials behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms.

If we take the previous metaphor: An impeachment is a legalized coup, under the guise of law, when done recklessly and partisan. The Mueller investigation was just that, an attempted coup, but with no one to hold accountable either criminally or morally (election day) at the end of the failed process, or at the very least, not a single elected official that be held accountable by law or by election day.

In conclusion, we have entered a very dangerous period in our Republic. The precedent has now been set that this can happen to ANY President, today, tomorrow, next decade or even in the next century. Unelected bureaucrats are now the most powerful people in Washington DC. Deep State is real.

Even worse these unelected bureaucrats are dispensable. Even if one of two of them go to prison, another no-name suit takes his place, without the oversight of the American People. The agency he was part of remains, and daily business resumes as usual.

Deep State rules over you.
 
First of all: What happened to Bill Clinton was an absolute disgrace and stain on our nation. Republicans bear that shame to this day.

However, the investigation against Bill Clinton was practically 100% public and done in plain view of the American people and was conducted by Congress.

The investigation against Trump was done by invisible an unelected bureaucrats, with most of the due process and investigation sources and methods hidden from view, and still remain hidden (hence Rand Paul's demand this week).

Congress has the power in impeach, and although Congress wielded that power most heinously in 1998-1999 against Bill Clinton, they did indeed have the power to do so. And, as such, the American People were able to easily identify and hold those Republicans accountable. Deeply rooted families in American, Colonial and medieval England politics, like the Livingstons, were politically annihilated in the aftermath.

What happened with Trump however, is far worse, and the ultimate depth of the rabbit hole remains unknown (again, hence Rand Paul's demand). Under the Obama Administration, very shady and unprecedented behavior, legally justified by a FISA warrant, obtained and engineered by a British Spy who colluded with Russians, bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, coupled with the planting of a Russian spy, Natalia V, inside of the Trump Tower, under the pretense of investigating Russian collusion.

However, pretense it was and pretense it remains. The effort was to hinder Trump's chances of taking the White House, and if that failed, to morph the initial proceedings into an "insurance policy," to remove Trump from office if he won.

This entire RUSSIA-GATE HOAX was NOT a HOAX. It was a deliberate attempt to overthrow a duly elected President, and in doing so these bad actors colluded with Fusion GPS, British spies and Russian agents (espionage), engaged in Sedition on Cable News (Brennan), and went even further to accuse Trump himself of treason to incite insurrection (at worst) or to obstruct Trump's ability to govern (at best) through a loss of confidence in his Presidency.

In doing so, many hostile foreign powers have benefited from the great rift and division between the American people, rendering Trump incapable of acting or brokering diplomacy, since no foreign state could be certain that Trump himself would remain in Office, and thus any potential treaty or agreement was subject to becoming null and void.

As such, these unelected bureaucrats, whom owe allegiance to the United States, have aided and abetted our enemies, mired international relations and also hindered Trump domestically in his ability to govern as the Chief Executive of the United States.

And who can the people now point the finger at now that this has all subsided with the Mueller report? There is no Livingston to (rightfully) take the fall. There are no ELECTED politicians that in any way, shape or form that can be held accountable in the court of public opinion. Each and every Democrat can claim that they were lied to, and truly believed (at the time) that these unelected bureaucrats were telling the truth and were going to indite Trump or someone very near him for Russian collusion.

An impeachment (as defined by the Consitution) can be metaphorically interpreted as a legalized coup, under the guise of justice, when that power is wielded in a reckless and partisan manner (impeachment of Bill Clinton), but at the end of the day, whether or not such an abuse of power were to have succeeded, the American People did not tolerate it, and more ELECTED Republicans SUFFERED RIGHTFULLY for their acts.

Who suffers now? Who is to blame? The Mueller investigation was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, AN IMPEACHMENT, in all but name (if the report found such evidence, Trump would have been rightfully removed from office and most likely executed for treason), but an impeachment done by unelected officials behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms.

If we take the previous metaphor: An impeachment is a legalized coup, under the guise of law, when done recklessly and partisan. The Mueller investigation was just that, an attempted coup, but with no one to hold accountable either criminally or morally (election day) at the end of the failed process, or at the very least, not a single elected official that be held accountable by law or by election day.

In conclusion, we have entered a very dangerous period in our Republic. The precedent has now been set that this can happen to ANY President, today, tomorrow, next decade or even in the next century. Unelected bureaucrats are now the most powerful people in Washington DC. Deep State is real.

Even worse these unelected bureaucrats are dispensable. Even if one of two of them go to prison, another no-name suit takes his place, without the oversight of the American People. The agency he was part of remains, and daily business resumes as usual.

Deep State rules over you.
He seems to be in the clear. What's the issue?
 
First of all: What happened to Bill Clinton was an absolute disgrace and stain on our nation. Republicans bear that shame to this day.

However, the investigation against Bill Clinton was practically 100% public and done in plain view of the American people and was conducted by Congress.

The investigation against Trump was done by invisible an unelected bureaucrats, with most of the due process and investigation sources and methods hidden from view, and still remain hidden (hence Rand Paul's demand this week).

Congress has the power in impeach, and although Congress wielded that power most heinously in 1998-1999 against Bill Clinton, they did indeed have the power to do so. And, as such, the American People were able to easily identify and hold those Republicans accountable. Deeply rooted families in American, Colonial and medieval England politics, like the Livingstons, were politically annihilated in the aftermath.

What happened with Trump however, is far worse, and the ultimate depth of the rabbit hole remains unknown (again, hence Rand Paul's demand). Under the Obama Administration, very shady and unprecedented behavior, legally justified by a FISA warrant, obtained and engineered by a British Spy who colluded with Russians, bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, coupled with the planting of a Russian spy, Natalia V, inside of the Trump Tower, under the pretense of investigating Russian collusion.

However, pretense it was and pretense it remains. The effort was to hinder Trump's chances of taking the White House, and if that failed, to morph the initial proceedings into an "insurance policy," to remove Trump from office if he won.

This entire RUSSIA-GATE HOAX was NOT a HOAX. It was a deliberate attempt to overthrow a duly elected President, and in doing so these bad actors colluded with Fusion GPS, British spies and Russian agents (espionage), engaged in Sedition on Cable News (Brennan), and went even further to accuse Trump himself of treason to incite insurrection (at worst) or to obstruct Trump's ability to govern (at best) through a loss of confidence in his Presidency.

In doing so, many hostile foreign powers have benefited from the great rift and division between the American people, rendering Trump incapable of acting or brokering diplomacy, since no foreign state could be certain that Trump himself would remain in Office, and thus any potential treaty or agreement was subject to becoming null and void.

As such, these unelected bureaucrats, whom owe allegiance to the United States, have aided and abetted our enemies, mired international relations and also hindered Trump domestically in his ability to govern as the Chief Executive of the United States.

And who can the people now point the finger at now that this has all subsided with the Mueller report? There is no Livingston to (rightfully) take the fall. There are no ELECTED politicians that in any way, shape or form that can be held accountable in the court of public opinion. Each and every Democrat can claim that they were lied to, and truly believed (at the time) that these unelected bureaucrats were telling the truth and were going to indite Trump or someone very near him for Russian collusion.

An impeachment (as defined by the Consitution) can be metaphorically interpreted as a legalized coup, under the guise of justice, when that power is wielded in a reckless and partisan manner (impeachment of Bill Clinton), but at the end of the day, whether or not such an abuse of power were to have succeeded, the American People did not tolerate it, and more ELECTED Republicans SUFFERED RIGHTFULLY for their acts.

Who suffers now? Who is to blame? The Mueller investigation was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, AN IMPEACHMENT, in all but name (if the report found such evidence, Trump would have been rightfully removed from office and most likely executed for treason), but an impeachment done by unelected officials behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms.

If we take the previous metaphor: An impeachment is a legalized coup, under the guise of law, when done recklessly and partisan. The Mueller investigation was just that, an attempted coup, but with no one to hold accountable either criminally or morally (election day) at the end of the failed process, or at the very least, not a single elected official that be held accountable by law or by election day.

In conclusion, we have entered a very dangerous period in our Republic. The precedent has now been set that this can happen to ANY President, today, tomorrow, next decade or even in the next century. Unelected bureaucrats are now the most powerful people in Washington DC. Deep State is real.

Even worse these unelected bureaucrats are dispensable. Even if one of two of them go to prison, another no-name suit takes his place, without the oversight of the American People. The agency he was part of remains, and daily business resumes as usual.

Deep State rules over you.
He seems to be in the clear. What's the issue?


Try reading.

Summary: Only Congress should be allowed to examine the President of the United States, in full public view. No more back door shady shit ever again, that way if the impeachment/examination powers are abused by Congress, the American people can vote these fuckers right out since they know who to hold accountable for the attempted partisan coup.

As of right now, unelected officials wield incredible power and influence over future presidents.
 
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First of all: What happened to Bill Clinton was an absolute disgrace and stain on our nation. Republicans bear that shame to this day.

However, the investigation against Bill Clinton was practically 100% public and done in plain view of the American people and was conducted by Congress.

The investigation against Trump was done by invisible an unelected bureaucrats, with most of the due process and investigation sources and methods hidden from view, and still remain hidden (hence Rand Paul's demand this week).

Congress has the power in impeach, and although Congress wielded that power most heinously in 1998-1999 against Bill Clinton, they did indeed have the power to do so. And, as such, the American People were able to easily identify and hold those Republicans accountable. Deeply rooted families in American, Colonial and medieval England politics, like the Livingstons, were politically annihilated in the aftermath.

What happened with Trump however, is far worse, and the ultimate depth of the rabbit hole remains unknown (again, hence Rand Paul's demand). Under the Obama Administration, very shady and unprecedented behavior, legally justified by a FISA warrant, obtained and engineered by a British Spy who colluded with Russians, bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, coupled with the planting of a Russian spy, Natalia V, inside of the Trump Tower, under the pretense of investigating Russian collusion.

However, pretense it was and pretense it remains. The effort was to hinder Trump's chances of taking the White House, and if that failed, to morph the initial proceedings into an "insurance policy," to remove Trump from office if he won.

This entire RUSSIA-GATE HOAX was NOT a HOAX. It was a deliberate attempt to overthrow a duly elected President, and in doing so these bad actors colluded with Fusion GPS, British spies and Russian agents (espionage), engaged in Sedition on Cable News (Brennan), and went even further to accuse Trump himself of treason to incite insurrection (at worst) or to obstruct Trump's ability to govern (at best) through a loss of confidence in his Presidency.

In doing so, many hostile foreign powers have benefited from the great rift and division between the American people, rendering Trump incapable of acting or brokering diplomacy, since no foreign state could be certain that Trump himself would remain in Office, and thus any potential treaty or agreement was subject to becoming null and void.

As such, these unelected bureaucrats, whom owe allegiance to the United States, have aided and abetted our enemies, mired international relations and also hindered Trump domestically in his ability to govern as the Chief Executive of the United States.

And who can the people now point the finger at now that this has all subsided with the Mueller report? There is no Livingston to (rightfully) take the fall. There are no ELECTED politicians that in any way, shape or form that can be held accountable in the court of public opinion. Each and every Democrat can claim that they were lied to, and truly believed (at the time) that these unelected bureaucrats were telling the truth and were going to indite Trump or someone very near him for Russian collusion.

An impeachment (as defined by the Consitution) can be metaphorically interpreted as a legalized coup, under the guise of justice, when that power is wielded in a reckless and partisan manner (impeachment of Bill Clinton), but at the end of the day, whether or not such an abuse of power were to have succeeded, the American People did not tolerate it, and more ELECTED Republicans SUFFERED RIGHTFULLY for their acts.

Who suffers now? Who is to blame? The Mueller investigation was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, AN IMPEACHMENT, in all but name (if the report found such evidence, Trump would have been rightfully removed from office and most likely executed for treason), but an impeachment done by unelected officials behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms.

If we take the previous metaphor: An impeachment is a legalized coup, under the guise of law, when done recklessly and partisan. The Mueller investigation was just that, an attempted coup, but with no one to hold accountable either criminally or morally (election day) at the end of the failed process, or at the very least, not a single elected official that be held accountable by law or by election day.

In conclusion, we have entered a very dangerous period in our Republic. The precedent has now been set that this can happen to ANY President, today, tomorrow, next decade or even in the next century. Unelected bureaucrats are now the most powerful people in Washington DC. Deep State is real.

Even worse these unelected bureaucrats are dispensable. Even if one of two of them go to prison, another no-name suit takes his place, without the oversight of the American People. The agency he was part of remains, and daily business resumes as usual.

Deep State rules over you.

you might want to take a few minutes and look up a guy named Ken Starr
 
First of all: What happened to Bill Clinton was an absolute disgrace and stain on our nation. Republicans bear that shame to this day.

However, the investigation against Bill Clinton was practically 100% public and done in plain view of the American people and was conducted by Congress.

The investigation against Trump was done by invisible an unelected bureaucrats, with most of the due process and investigation sources and methods hidden from view, and still remain hidden (hence Rand Paul's demand this week).

Congress has the power in impeach, and although Congress wielded that power most heinously in 1998-1999 against Bill Clinton, they did indeed have the power to do so. And, as such, the American People were able to easily identify and hold those Republicans accountable. Deeply rooted families in American, Colonial and medieval England politics, like the Livingstons, were politically annihilated in the aftermath.

What happened with Trump however, is far worse, and the ultimate depth of the rabbit hole remains unknown (again, hence Rand Paul's demand). Under the Obama Administration, very shady and unprecedented behavior, legally justified by a FISA warrant, obtained and engineered by a British Spy who colluded with Russians, bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, coupled with the planting of a Russian spy, Natalia V, inside of the Trump Tower, under the pretense of investigating Russian collusion.

However, pretense it was and pretense it remains. The effort was to hinder Trump's chances of taking the White House, and if that failed, to morph the initial proceedings into an "insurance policy," to remove Trump from office if he won.

This entire RUSSIA-GATE HOAX was NOT a HOAX. It was a deliberate attempt to overthrow a duly elected President, and in doing so these bad actors colluded with Fusion GPS, British spies and Russian agents (espionage), engaged in Sedition on Cable News (Brennan), and went even further to accuse Trump himself of treason to incite insurrection (at worst) or to obstruct Trump's ability to govern (at best) through a loss of confidence in his Presidency.

In doing so, many hostile foreign powers have benefited from the great rift and division between the American people, rendering Trump incapable of acting or brokering diplomacy, since no foreign state could be certain that Trump himself would remain in Office, and thus any potential treaty or agreement was subject to becoming null and void.

As such, these unelected bureaucrats, whom owe allegiance to the United States, have aided and abetted our enemies, mired international relations and also hindered Trump domestically in his ability to govern as the Chief Executive of the United States.

And who can the people now point the finger at now that this has all subsided with the Mueller report? There is no Livingston to (rightfully) take the fall. There are no ELECTED politicians that in any way, shape or form that can be held accountable in the court of public opinion. Each and every Democrat can claim that they were lied to, and truly believed (at the time) that these unelected bureaucrats were telling the truth and were going to indite Trump or someone very near him for Russian collusion.

An impeachment (as defined by the Consitution) can be metaphorically interpreted as a legalized coup, under the guise of justice, when that power is wielded in a reckless and partisan manner (impeachment of Bill Clinton), but at the end of the day, whether or not such an abuse of power were to have succeeded, the American People did not tolerate it, and more ELECTED Republicans SUFFERED RIGHTFULLY for their acts.

Who suffers now? Who is to blame? The Mueller investigation was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, AN IMPEACHMENT, in all but name (if the report found such evidence, Trump would have been rightfully removed from office and most likely executed for treason), but an impeachment done by unelected officials behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms.

If we take the previous metaphor: An impeachment is a legalized coup, under the guise of law, when done recklessly and partisan. The Mueller investigation was just that, an attempted coup, but with no one to hold accountable either criminally or morally (election day) at the end of the failed process, or at the very least, not a single elected official that be held accountable by law or by election day.

In conclusion, we have entered a very dangerous period in our Republic. The precedent has now been set that this can happen to ANY President, today, tomorrow, next decade or even in the next century. Unelected bureaucrats are now the most powerful people in Washington DC. Deep State is real.

Even worse these unelected bureaucrats are dispensable. Even if one of two of them go to prison, another no-name suit takes his place, without the oversight of the American People. The agency he was part of remains, and daily business resumes as usual.

Deep State rules over you.

you might want to take a few minutes and look up a guy named Ken Starr

I know who he is, and his methods of investigation and legal processes were in full public view, the accusers were in full public view, the witnesses were in full public view. And he's a fucking disgrace and shitstain.

So what was your point?
 
Bill Clinton? Stain? Are you sure you want to open that can 'o worms? Bill Clinton was convicted of lying under oath. How long could Trump last under those conditions? Playing hide the cigar with Monica wasn't bad enough so he doubled down and bombed a defenseless country in Europe. What was the Bubba's secret of success? Like all democrats he had the media on his side. (still does)
 
First of all: What happened to Bill Clinton was an absolute disgrace and stain on our nation. Republicans bear that shame to this day.

However, the investigation against Bill Clinton was practically 100% public and done in plain view of the American people and was conducted by Congress.

The investigation against Trump was done by invisible an unelected bureaucrats, with most of the due process and investigation sources and methods hidden from view, and still remain hidden (hence Rand Paul's demand this week).

Congress has the power in impeach, and although Congress wielded that power most heinously in 1998-1999 against Bill Clinton, they did indeed have the power to do so. And, as such, the American People were able to easily identify and hold those Republicans accountable. Deeply rooted families in American, Colonial and medieval England politics, like the Livingstons, were politically annihilated in the aftermath.

What happened with Trump however, is far worse, and the ultimate depth of the rabbit hole remains unknown (again, hence Rand Paul's demand). Under the Obama Administration, very shady and unprecedented behavior, legally justified by a FISA warrant, obtained and engineered by a British Spy who colluded with Russians, bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, coupled with the planting of a Russian spy, Natalia V, inside of the Trump Tower, under the pretense of investigating Russian collusion.

However, pretense it was and pretense it remains. The effort was to hinder Trump's chances of taking the White House, and if that failed, to morph the initial proceedings into an "insurance policy," to remove Trump from office if he won.

This entire RUSSIA-GATE HOAX was NOT a HOAX. It was a deliberate attempt to overthrow a duly elected President, and in doing so these bad actors colluded with Fusion GPS, British spies and Russian agents (espionage), engaged in Sedition on Cable News (Brennan), and went even further to accuse Trump himself of treason to incite insurrection (at worst) or to obstruct Trump's ability to govern (at best) through a loss of confidence in his Presidency.

In doing so, many hostile foreign powers have benefited from the great rift and division between the American people, rendering Trump incapable of acting or brokering diplomacy, since no foreign state could be certain that Trump himself would remain in Office, and thus any potential treaty or agreement was subject to becoming null and void.

As such, these unelected bureaucrats, whom owe allegiance to the United States, have aided and abetted our enemies, mired international relations and also hindered Trump domestically in his ability to govern as the Chief Executive of the United States.

And who can the people now point the finger at now that this has all subsided with the Mueller report? There is no Livingston to (rightfully) take the fall. There are no ELECTED politicians that in any way, shape or form that can be held accountable in the court of public opinion. Each and every Democrat can claim that they were lied to, and truly believed (at the time) that these unelected bureaucrats were telling the truth and were going to indite Trump or someone very near him for Russian collusion.

An impeachment (as defined by the Consitution) can be metaphorically interpreted as a legalized coup, under the guise of justice, when that power is wielded in a reckless and partisan manner (impeachment of Bill Clinton), but at the end of the day, whether or not such an abuse of power were to have succeeded, the American People did not tolerate it, and more ELECTED Republicans SUFFERED RIGHTFULLY for their acts.

Who suffers now? Who is to blame? The Mueller investigation was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, AN IMPEACHMENT, in all but name (if the report found such evidence, Trump would have been rightfully removed from office and most likely executed for treason), but an impeachment done by unelected officials behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms.

If we take the previous metaphor: An impeachment is a legalized coup, under the guise of law, when done recklessly and partisan. The Mueller investigation was just that, an attempted coup, but with no one to hold accountable either criminally or morally (election day) at the end of the failed process, or at the very least, not a single elected official that be held accountable by law or by election day.

In conclusion, we have entered a very dangerous period in our Republic. The precedent has now been set that this can happen to ANY President, today, tomorrow, next decade or even in the next century. Unelected bureaucrats are now the most powerful people in Washington DC. Deep State is real.

Even worse these unelected bureaucrats are dispensable. Even if one of two of them go to prison, another no-name suit takes his place, without the oversight of the American People. The agency he was part of remains, and daily business resumes as usual.

Deep State rules over you.
He seems to be in the clear. What's the issue?


Try reading.

Summary: Only Congress should be allowed to examine the President of the United States, in full public view. No more back door shady shit ever again, that way if the impeachment/examination powers are abused by Congress, the American people can vote these fuckers right out since they know who to hold accountable for the attempted partisan coup.
What do you do when half of congress would not do a damned thing no matter how guilty the president may be? If Hillary was president do you seriously believe any conservative would be trying to make the argument that the president is above investigation or prosecution?
 
First of all: What happened to Bill Clinton was an absolute disgrace and stain on our nation. Republicans bear that shame to this day.

However, the investigation against Bill Clinton was practically 100% public and done in plain view of the American people and was conducted by Congress.

The investigation against Trump was done by invisible an unelected bureaucrats, with most of the due process and investigation sources and methods hidden from view, and still remain hidden (hence Rand Paul's demand this week).

Congress has the power in impeach, and although Congress wielded that power most heinously in 1998-1999 against Bill Clinton, they did indeed have the power to do so. And, as such, the American People were able to easily identify and hold those Republicans accountable. Deeply rooted families in American, Colonial and medieval England politics, like the Livingstons, were politically annihilated in the aftermath.

What happened with Trump however, is far worse, and the ultimate depth of the rabbit hole remains unknown (again, hence Rand Paul's demand). Under the Obama Administration, very shady and unprecedented behavior, legally justified by a FISA warrant, obtained and engineered by a British Spy who colluded with Russians, bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, coupled with the planting of a Russian spy, Natalia V, inside of the Trump Tower, under the pretense of investigating Russian collusion.

However, pretense it was and pretense it remains. The effort was to hinder Trump's chances of taking the White House, and if that failed, to morph the initial proceedings into an "insurance policy," to remove Trump from office if he won.

This entire RUSSIA-GATE HOAX was NOT a HOAX. It was a deliberate attempt to overthrow a duly elected President, and in doing so these bad actors colluded with Fusion GPS, British spies and Russian agents (espionage), engaged in Sedition on Cable News (Brennan), and went even further to accuse Trump himself of treason to incite insurrection (at worst) or to obstruct Trump's ability to govern (at best) through a loss of confidence in his Presidency.

In doing so, many hostile foreign powers have benefited from the great rift and division between the American people, rendering Trump incapable of acting or brokering diplomacy, since no foreign state could be certain that Trump himself would remain in Office, and thus any potential treaty or agreement was subject to becoming null and void.

As such, these unelected bureaucrats, whom owe allegiance to the United States, have aided and abetted our enemies, mired international relations and also hindered Trump domestically in his ability to govern as the Chief Executive of the United States.

And who can the people now point the finger at now that this has all subsided with the Mueller report? There is no Livingston to (rightfully) take the fall. There are no ELECTED politicians that in any way, shape or form that can be held accountable in the court of public opinion. Each and every Democrat can claim that they were lied to, and truly believed (at the time) that these unelected bureaucrats were telling the truth and were going to indite Trump or someone very near him for Russian collusion.

An impeachment (as defined by the Consitution) can be metaphorically interpreted as a legalized coup, under the guise of justice, when that power is wielded in a reckless and partisan manner (impeachment of Bill Clinton), but at the end of the day, whether or not such an abuse of power were to have succeeded, the American People did not tolerate it, and more ELECTED Republicans SUFFERED RIGHTFULLY for their acts.

Who suffers now? Who is to blame? The Mueller investigation was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, AN IMPEACHMENT, in all but name (if the report found such evidence, Trump would have been rightfully removed from office and most likely executed for treason), but an impeachment done by unelected officials behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms.

If we take the previous metaphor: An impeachment is a legalized coup, under the guise of law, when done recklessly and partisan. The Mueller investigation was just that, an attempted coup, but with no one to hold accountable either criminally or morally (election day) at the end of the failed process, or at the very least, not a single elected official that be held accountable by law or by election day.

In conclusion, we have entered a very dangerous period in our Republic. The precedent has now been set that this can happen to ANY President, today, tomorrow, next decade or even in the next century. Unelected bureaucrats are now the most powerful people in Washington DC. Deep State is real.

Even worse these unelected bureaucrats are dispensable. Even if one of two of them go to prison, another no-name suit takes his place, without the oversight of the American People. The agency he was part of remains, and daily business resumes as usual.

Deep State rules over you.

Your entire OP premises was fine when you were talking about Clinton, but your diatribe about the Mueller Investigation was lies and bullshit from top to bottom.

Clinton wasn't investigated "out in the open". He was investigated by a leaking Special Prosecutor's office with a wide open mandate to go after anything that looked suspicious. They investigated Vince Foster's suicide, and were behind the malicious prosecution of the Paula Jones case. They looked in the Hillary Clinton's private law firm records, Hillary's $100,000 in beef futures, and basically everything the Clinton's had ever done in their adult lives and came up empty handed, all while leaking salacious details of Clinton's sexual escapades and other tantilizing tidbits to the press.

Mueller was strictly limited in his mandate - Russian interference into the 2016 election, and any involvement by the Russians with the Trump Campaign. That's why matters like campaign finance violations, bank fraud, money laundering, Maria Butina and friends, and other matters were handed off to the SDNY, and other offices in Maryland and DC.

Trump was not investigated by "faceless unelected bureaucrats" from the non-existant deep state. He was investigated by one of the most respected former prosecutors in the country, who had headed the FBI and, despite being born into wealth like Donald Trump, Robert Mueller has spent his life quietyly serving his country, both as a decorated military officer, and as the former head of the FBI.

What happened in the Trump Investigation is not worse than what happened to Clinton. In fact NOTHING BAD HAPPENED TO TRUMP AT ALL.

The investigation did NOT leak - not even once. We still don't know what Mueller found because we haven't seen his report. It was completed properly, professionally, and by the book.

As for your whining about FISA Applications, you idiots don't have the first clue what is involved in a FISA application, and you're just parroting FOX News. When you opine on things which you know nothing about, you make a total fool of yourself, but not getting your talking points straight.

And yet you idiot snowflakes are all whining about the unfairness of it all. Perhaps if Trump and his minions hadn't spent all that time lying about their interactions with Russians, and doing everything possible to discredit and lie about the Russia Investigation, and acting so fucking GUILTY, things would have gone better.
 
Bill Clinton? Stain? Are you sure you want to open that can 'o worms? Bill Clinton was convicted of lying under oath. How long could Trump last under those conditions? Playing hide the cigar with Monica wasn't bad enough so he doubled down and bombed a defenseless country in Europe. What was the Bubba's secret of success? Like all democrats he had the media on his side. (still does)

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