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uh, Taliban was not in control until Biden implemented his plan. You know, the plan to retreat and surrender to the enemy so they can celebrate on 9/11.

I guess that is sarcasm on your part, meaning you do not think the Taliban is tough, hence with 13 marines killed by not "very tough fighters", that makes Biden very much the worst military leader the USA has ever had. And an even worst President.
The Taliban was in control of country from the minute the former president signed away the country without the government that we were defending having any input. How is it that the former president allowed that to happen?

A suicide bomber is a "very tough fighter"?
 

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The Taliban was in control of country from the minute the former president signed away the country without the government that we were defending having any input. How is it that the former president allowed that to happen?

A suicide bomber is a "very tough fighter"?
wrong, the taliban began taking over cities at the end of july, beginning of august of this year. That is a fact written in history. Even Biden does not argue that fact.

Who do you refer to as tough?
 

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wrong, the taliban began taking over cities at the end of july, beginning of august of this year. That is a fact written in history. Even Biden does not argue that fact.

Who do you refer to as tough?
Dude, the Taliban began the takeover as we withdrew. They had pre-negotiated Afghanistan forces surrender before that. That's why the government forces crashed so fast.

Dude, who cares about what I think is tough, your one term president celebrated those "very tough fighters".
 

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Dude, the Taliban began the takeover as we withdrew. They had pre-negotiated Afghanistan forces surrender before that. That's why the government forces crashed so fast.

Dude, who cares about what I think is tough, your one term president celebrated those "very tough fighters".
No, bro, your Dementia ridden President with political Generals surrendered, left in the middle of the night, retreated cowardly in the dark. Biden begged the Taliban for mercy. We do not need Democrats in our society. You folks are cold blooded bastards that get people killed.
 

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No, bro, your Dementia ridden President with political Generals surrendered, left in the middle of the night, retreated cowardly in the dark. Biden begged the Taliban for mercy. We do not need Democrats in our society. You folks are cold blooded bastards that get people killed.
So, you have no critical thinking skills to use in this discussion.
 

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No need with you, facts are enough. Biden cowardly retreated in the middle of the night leaving behind Americans.
President Biden stated that we were leaving the country, and stuck to it.

Speaking of withdrawals in the dead of night, how did the former president's one go in the Syrian/Turkish border when he sold the Kurds out again?
 

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No, bro, your Dementia ridden President with political Generals surrendered,

"Afghanistan, where, by the way, I started the process. All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. Don’t we think? 21 years. They couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process when other things…yeah. Thank you. Thank you. It’s a shame. "

-DonJohn
 

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"Afghanistan, where, by the way, I started the process. All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. Don’t we think? 21 years. They couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process when other things…yeah. Thank you. Thank you. It’s a shame. "

-DonJohn
Biden was not smart enough or powerful enough or president enough to undo what Trump began?

Biden certainly did stop the process that Trump set in motion, the process in which our advisors and Air Force would not leave if the Taliban began an offensive.

At that the deadline Trump set, Biden ignored, and extended, and then ignoring all conditions of said agreement, the Democrats retreated like cowards in the middle of the night, leaving Americans behind.
 

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Biden was not smart enough or powerful enough or president enough to undo what Trump began?

Biden certainly did stop the process that Trump set in motion, the process in which our advisors and Air Force would not leave if the Taliban began an offensive.

At that the deadline Trump set, Biden ignored, and extended, and then ignoring all conditions of said agreement, the Democrats retreated like cowards in the middle of the night, leaving Americans behind.
President did what the former president could not do.
 

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LOL, the former president left the Kurds behind in Iraq.
After 8 years of Obama/Biden, the Kurds should be in very good shape? Right. Biden/Obama did the Kurds right? Correct? And left them with the weapons they needed to defend themselves? Or did they kick the ball? Did Obama/Biden leave the Kurds behind dependent on Trump?

Or, Did Biden/Obama leave Iraq creating ISIS which went on to attack the Kurds.

And last I checked, Trump destroyed ISIS, saving Iraq and Syria, and the Kurds.

Not to menition, the Kurds are not Americans.
 

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Biden was not smart enough or powerful enough or president enough to undo what Trump began?

Biden certainly did stop the process that Trump set in motion, the process in which our advisors and Air Force would not leave if the Taliban began an offensive.

At that the deadline Trump set, Biden ignored, and extended, and then ignoring all conditions of said agreement, the Democrats retreated like cowards in the middle of the night, leaving Americans behind.

Trumpybear pulled all but 2500 troops out on Jan 15, 2001. Just 2.5% of the Troops we had at the height of the war. Why did he do that? Where was that reduction in the surrender deal he made What condition did the Taliban meet to earn withdrawing 2/3rds of our remaining troops? Of course, he tried to pull them all out by then, but the military convinced him to keep at least a skeleton force in place.

Biden could have re-invaded of course, but as Trumpybear bragged, "it would have been very hard", especially when the bodies started coming back home.
 

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After 8 years of Obama/Biden, the Kurds should be in very good shape? Right. Biden/Obama did the Kurds right? Correct? And left them with the weapons they needed to defend themselves? Or did they kick the ball? Did Obama/Biden leave the Kurds behind dependent on Trump?

Or, Did Biden/Obama leave Iraq creating ISIS which went on to attack the Kurds.

And last I checked, Trump destroyed ISIS, saving Iraq and Syria, and the Kurds.

Not to menition, the Kurds are not Americans.

Nope. Bush was forced to negotiate a SOFA with Iraq at the end of his term. He couldn't reach an agreement to protect our soldiers from Iraqi laws so there was a complete withdrawal date of Dec. 31, 2011 for US Troops left for the next president. Sound familiar?

Like the successful economy he inherited from Obama, Trumpybear inherited the Generals successful war on ISIS. They were on the run and their demise was as certain as was minimal USA causalities.

Notice he kept protecting the oil fields in Syria......
 

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So you say Biden gets a pass, and it's all Drumpf's fault? I don't believe that you believe that.
I didn't say Biden gets a pass. The fact is that Drumpf cut a fucked up deal and Biden chose to go with it for reasons that may be above your pay grade. The Taliban are certainly not acting like the terrorists they were painted to be. Something else is definitely going on.
 

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Trumpybear pulled all but 2500 troops out on Jan 15, 2001. Just 2.5% of the Troops we had at the height of the war. Why did he do that? Where was that reduction in the surrender deal he made What condition did the Taliban meet to earn withdrawing 2/3rds of our remaining troops? Of course, he tried to pull them all out by then, but the military convinced him to keep at least a skeleton force in place.

Biden could have re-invaded of course, but as Trumpybear bragged, "it would have been very hard", especially when the bodies started coming back home.
facts are facts, Democrats deserted Americans in Afghanistan, everybody knows it, your lies on this one will be forgotten, history will show the Democrats deserted Americans in Afghanistan.
 

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facts are facts, Democrats deserted Americans in Afghanistan, everybody knows it, your lies on this one will be forgotten, history will show the Democrats deserted Americans in Afghanistan.

Facts are stubborn things.

Trumpybragart has bragged about hamstringing America in Afghanistan.
 

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Facts are stubborn things.

Trumpybragart has bragged about hamstringing America in Afghanistan.
The fact is, the Democrats retreated in the middle of the night leaving Americans behind enemy lines. A first in our history.

Biden over the course of the summer lost control of Afghanistan, even begging the taliban for mercy. Very sad. Now it is your history and nobody will ever forget.
 

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The fact is, the Democrats retreated in the middle of the night leaving Americans behind enemy lines. A first in our history.

Biden over the course of the summer lost control of Afghanistan, even begging the taliban for mercy. Very sad. Now it is your history and nobody will ever forget.

I don't understand your desires for a Super Nanny State that keeps track of all it's citizens whereabout's in a war zones so they can be snatched up out of harms way the moment we withdraw. But I do understand the attempt to make political hay out of it.

When Trump took the US forces down so low right before leaving office coupled with the contentious transfer of power, Trumpy really stabbed the Country, and the Military in the back.
 

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