The Right To Bear Arms

[Skull Pilot]

Do you know how many gun laws there are? How are they working out? Have they prevented one single death? Look at places like Detroit. They used to have very strict gun laws, yet they had one of the highest crime rates of any city. Recently, they have allowed people to not only carry guns, but to get concealed carry licenses. Can you guess what happened to the crime rate?

Washington DC, in post Heller v DC, the crime rate has gone up.

can you prove a direct causal relationship?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Ban kids from driving or ban driving altogether unless it is public transportation would save more kids, so are you for that? Ban swimming pools and swimming would save more kids, are you for that? Ban all junk food, that would save more kids, are you for that? Ban kids on bicycles, even more lives saved, are you for that? Ban kids from smoking, are you for that? Lots of dangerous things we do, how much do you want to ban to save the children?

You know you look ridiculous to almost everybody on this earth when you use this argument ? Except to republicans and gun lovers.

You claim you want children kept safe, but if you really felt that way, why would you not want more rules and bans in place to protect them, especially when there are things out there that are killing more young teens than guns? I notice you won't answer the question which tells me you have none.

It's called the Common sense approach. You do what you must do to make a common sense change. Some things are beyond your control but others are within your control so you change what you can and don't waste your time in the areas that you can't change. So your "Hey, Look Over There" routine isn't too common sense.

The common sense approach is why have we had gun shootings in schools only within the last 23 years? We have had guns for a lot longer than that, yet the school shootings are now increasing in frequency. The shootings are the symptoms of a much bigger issue and banning guns like Issa wants, will not change anything, the problem will still be there.

Is not just school shootings my friend, Americans have been shooting each other since day one.

People have been killing people for as long as there have been people
People will kill people for as long as there are people

 

[Little-Acorn]

And remember it's just an "amendment".

Yep, it is. Meaning, it changed the Constitution.

Remember Congress's power to "regulate commerce among the several states"? That's one of the things it changed.

Once the 2nd amendment got ratified, declaring that no govt in the United State could infringe the right of the people to keep and bear arms, that meant (among other things) that they could no longer regulate guns under the Commerce Clause.

Big-govt pushers have been trying desperately to ignore that fact, of course, since it takes away one of their cherished powers: to infringe people's right to carry a gun. They have even used a false reliance on the Commerce Clause in court.

During the first case to get to the Supreme Court that tried to do this, US v. Miller in 1939, the defense didn't show up for the trial. So the govt. prosecution read several lies into the record, which the Justices rubber-stamped into an "opinion" since no one in the courtroom refuted them. One of those lies was that the Commerce Clause still enabled them to restrict firearms. Other cases have relied on this as a "precedent" ever since.

And big-govt pushers have carefully avoided discussing what the Constitution says. Instead they talk about what courts and legislators have said. As though those courts and bureaucrats superseded the Constitution. This practice still goes on today.

 

[Little-Acorn]

What other things are killing teens in schools--other than guns?

Wishful-thinking liberals who demand that government get the authority to "DO SOMETHING", and when they get it, waste their time enacting policies that only restrict the law-abiding. While the nutcases go right on killing the children the liberals pretended to be concerned about, with nothing effective done to stop them or even slow them down.

 

[Papageorgio]

then it should be fairly easy to have it removed

It will...demographics are changing.

You are correct they over the last 59 years the idea of banning guns is more unlikely than likely as the numbers are trending against banning guns altogether.

Things will change, the fabric of America will change. It's a small world and rapidly changing.

It has changed from 60% for banning to 28% for banning the tide has changed. Thanks for pointing it out.

You left out the 78% that want better gun laws. Banning never has been an issue and never will as long as we have even a smidgen of the Democratic or Republican Government left. But many are saying our gun laws needs to be looked at seriously and changed to match today's needs.

I stated that earlier, I was responding to Issa who wants guns banned completely. He claims the tide is changing and we will be banning guns. I don't think a complete ban will ever happen either. 45% own guns, yet 71% don't want a ban and yet 78% want better laws. I don't disagree with any of it, but I think the school shootings are systematic of a larger issue and we need to fix that before any laws will work.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Maybe not obsolete but antiquated, out of date...

... it needs to be updated to reflect the times...

... and the threat of overkill firepower...

... for the average citizen.

Gun violence can only be dealt with by dealing with those who commit it. Most gun violence is the result of repeat offenders. Over 500,000 crimes a year, in the U.S., are the result of repeat offenders. And there are nowhere that many committing those crimes. Deal with them, and you deal with the problem.

Once more, you are using the "Hey, Look Over There" routine. The Mass Shooters usually don't have any criminal records at all. And that is what we should be dealing with. What can we do to either stop or minimize the body count in these shooting.

WRONG. The mass shooters usually DO have some sort of red flag that would have turned up, had the appropriate people been tending to business. And THAT is what we should be dealing with.

Yes, we should be looking at those things. But we should also allow Law Enforcement the time to see these indicators by doing at least 3 out of the 4 items I listed already. They allow more flags to go up.

But we have to be careful. Can you imagine if you were to be flagged when you have no intention of doing any mass shooting? I can hear the crying, screeching and screaming coming from you about your 1st amendment rights.

Can't imagine a damned thing, since you seem to think I'm going to go scrolling around, looking for your list, which I'm not.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ban kids from driving or ban driving altogether unless it is public transportation would save more kids, so are you for that? Ban swimming pools and swimming would save more kids, are you for that? Ban all junk food, that would save more kids, are you for that? Ban kids on bicycles, even more lives saved, are you for that? Ban kids from smoking, are you for that? Lots of dangerous things we do, how much do you want to ban to save the children?

You know you look ridiculous to almost everybody on this earth when you use this argument ? Except to republicans and gun lovers.

You claim you want children kept safe, but if you really felt that way, why would you not want more rules and bans in place to protect them, especially when there are things out there that are killing more young teens than guns? I notice you won't answer the question which tells me you have none.

Drowning is an accident, picking a gun and killing is not. Apples and oranges here.

Picking up a brick can accomplish the same thing.

Can you mass kill with a brick?

No, but you can do it with a car, or a bomb, or a fire, or gas . . .

 

[Issa]

You know you look ridiculous to almost everybody on this earth when you use this argument ? Except to republicans and gun lovers.

You claim you want children kept safe, but if you really felt that way, why would you not want more rules and bans in place to protect them, especially when there are things out there that are killing more young teens than guns? I notice you won't answer the question which tells me you have none.

Drowning is an accident, picking a gun and killing is not. Apples and oranges here.

Picking up a brick can accomplish the same thing.

Can you mass kill with a brick?

Yes.

You can commit mass murder with a can of gasoline, a car, a truck, a truck with a snow plow would be very effective you can commit mass murder with a knife, and yes a gun and probably a hundred other things

The lead cause of mass murder now are guns.

 

[oreo]

What other things are killing teens in schools--other than guns?

Wishful-thinking liberals who demand that government get the authority to "DO SOMETHING", and when they get it, waste their time enacting policies that only restrict the law-abiding. While the nutcases go right on killing the children the liberals pretended to be concerned about, with nothing effective done to stop them or even slow them down.

Look I am a gun owner--but it's clear these semi automatic weapons are not working out for our society. In reality you can blame Republicans for it. 9 mass killings since Republicans took over in 2010. Each one they didn't do nothing except to offer their sympathies and hold prayer vigils. Republicans could have done something to keep these guns out of the wrong hands, but did the exact opposite.

They repealed the mental health background check, and didn't even want to put people who were on no fly lists and FBI terrorist watch lists, on NO GUN LISTS.
Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics
Trump repeals an Obama regulation keeping guns from people with certain mental health conditions

And it's because the NRA has them by the testicles.
'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

So don't blame me for pointing out the obvious.

 

[Papageorgio]

Ban kids from driving or ban driving altogether unless it is public transportation would save more kids, so are you for that? Ban swimming pools and swimming would save more kids, are you for that? Ban all junk food, that would save more kids, are you for that? Ban kids on bicycles, even more lives saved, are you for that? Ban kids from smoking, are you for that? Lots of dangerous things we do, how much do you want to ban to save the children?

You know you look ridiculous to almost everybody on this earth when you use this argument ? Except to republicans and gun lovers.

You claim you want children kept safe, but if you really felt that way, why would you not want more rules and bans in place to protect them, especially when there are things out there that are killing more young teens than guns? I notice you won't answer the question which tells me you have none.

It's called the Common sense approach. You do what you must do to make a common sense change. Some things are beyond your control but others are within your control so you change what you can and don't waste your time in the areas that you can't change. So your "Hey, Look Over There" routine isn't too common sense.

The common sense approach is why have we had gun shootings in schools only within the last 23 years? We have had guns for a lot longer than that, yet the school shootings are now increasing in frequency. The shootings are the symptoms of a much bigger issue and banning guns like Issa wants, will not change anything, the problem will still be there.

Is not just school shootings my friend, Americans have been shooting each other since day one.

Again, this is a symptom and you don't want to address it, that's fine but until you cure the disease will persist, gun or no gun.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You claim you want children kept safe, but if you really felt that way, why would you not want more rules and bans in place to protect them, especially when there are things out there that are killing more young teens than guns? I notice you won't answer the question which tells me you have none.

Drowning is an accident, picking a gun and killing is not. Apples and oranges here.

Picking up a brick can accomplish the same thing.

Can you mass kill with a brick?

If you have lots and lots of bricks and either shoot them from cannons or drop them from bombers. Much like a small bullet can't kill without the gun.

I swear sometimes I just I can most gun lovers overseas and show thrm how it's possible to live without guns, and prevent mass killings. The US looks like it's in constant war...thousands die from gun violence...what a shame for this country.

I've seen how "it's possible to live without guns". As I recall, it resulted in being assaulted by a guy who was a budding serial killer, and convinced me that being unarmed was a stupid idea for a woman in a world of men who can overpower me.

So what've you got to top that?

 

[Cecilie1200]

The only "safe place" you had was the delusion of your own sick mind. I'm not interested in changing my nation to try to create that fantasy in reality.

Once your likes will be a minority things will change for the better. And remember it's just an "amendment".

And remember it's just an "amendment".

then it should be fairly easy to have it removed

It will...demographics are changing.

You are correct they over the last 59 years the idea of banning guns is more unlikely than likely as the numbers are trending against banning guns altogether.

Things will change, the fabric of America will change. It's a small world and rapidly changing.

Good luck with your delusional belief that EVENTUALLY, you're going to convince the majority of Americans that they really don't want all that troublesome freedom.

Oh, wait, I forgot. Your plan is to overwhelm actual Americans with an invasion of illegal immigrants.

 

[KeiserC]

If everyone was armed eventually only one person would be left standing, or possibly none left alive.... the logic of the liberal gun grabbers....

Conversely, is it possible that if everyone was armed we would have little to no homicides or gun violence and a moderate increase in accidental shootings / woundings?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Picking up a brick can accomplish the same thing.

Can you mass kill with a brick?

If you have lots and lots of bricks and either shoot them from cannons or drop them from bombers. Much like a small bullet can't kill without the gun.

I swear sometimes I just I can most gun lovers overseas and show thrm how it's possible to live without guns, and prevent mass killings. The US looks like it's in constant war...thousands die from gun violence...what a shame for this country.

Overseas there are terror attacks regularly, those are not mass killings? How does that work?

It's harder to get an AR or an AK in Europe. So they use IEDs and Vehicles. Most of the time, they can find the IEDs so not many go off. And there is nothing can be done about the vehicle maniacs. But they keep the body counts down as much as possible. But these are Terrorists that are organized. Not like our home grown mass killers.

Wow. It's like it's the humans, and not the guns, who are the actual source of violence.

 

[KeiserC]

Not according to everything I'm hearing in the media... At least the Pres. still hasn't caved much... and believes, fundamentally, that more guns in good hands = less gun violence. & Gun free zones = "soft target" death zones...

the problem is that one can believe in the above while still paving the way (well intentioned) for gun registration... we all know what follows full registration

 

[Contumacious]

You claim you want children kept safe, but if you really felt that way, why would you not want more rules and bans in place to protect them, especially when there are things out there that are killing more young teens than guns? I notice you won't answer the question which tells me you have none.

Drowning is an accident, picking a gun and killing is not. Apples and oranges here.

Picking up a brick can accomplish the same thing.

Can you mass kill with a brick?

Yes.

You can commit mass murder with a can of gasoline, a car, a truck, a truck with a snow plow would be very effective you can commit mass murder with a knife, and yes a gun and probably a hundred other things

The lead cause of mass murder now are guns.

What kind of metal are they using nowadays which is causing the firearms by themselves? As opposed to when fire by someone criminally insane?


.

 

[P@triot]

I want American kids to grow up safe like I did in a gun free country.

Yeah...your country was SO great you promptly ran to the U.S. and made this your home.

 

[P@triot]

I want American kids to grow up safe like I did in a gun free country.

Issa: “I want American children to grow up in the same type of country I abandoned and ran to the U.S. to get away from”

 

[P@triot]

What can we do to either stop or minimize the body count in these shooting.

Exactly! And the way we achieve that is by arming everyone in the building. Problem solved.

 

[waltky]

Papageorgio...

... ya looks like Sgt. Joe Friday...

... of Dragnet.