Bootney Lee Farnsworth
Diamond Member
Do you know what that means?To provide for organizing, arming,
THe FedGov can give arms to the militia.
How does that answer my question?
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Do you know what that means?To provide for organizing, arming,
By regulation.Do you know what that means?To provide for organizing, arming,
THe FedGov can give arms to the militia.
How does that answer my question?
did you miss it in a previous post?IS THE POWER TO REGULATE ARMS HELD BY THE FEDGOV OR THE STATES?
It's one of those either/or questions. Pick one.
Don't avoid the answer to my question.Don't be such a troll.
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
That has nothing to do with an individual's purchase, ownership, possession or use of a fucking gun.To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
That has nothing to do with an individual's purchase, ownership, possession or use of a fucking gun.To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
Only if you ignore our federal form of Constitutional government. Are you a US citizen, Right-Winger?Don't avoid the answer to my question.Don't be such a troll.
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
You still have not answered the question.
Which
governing
body
should/does
have
the
authority
to
regulate
an
individual's
purchase
ownership
possession
and
use
of a fucking gun?
I can't make the question any clearer.
Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)That has nothing to do with an individual's purchase, ownership, possession or use of a fucking gun.To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
You can always be right when you completely ignore every rebuttal to your arguments. You can always be right when you insist your legal reasoning is superior to that of the justices on the SC and the rest of the legal profession. You can always be right when you just repeat ad nauseum meaningless one-liners.In Right-Wing fantasy, you are Always Right.We've rebutted every single one of those. All that's left is to make fun of you.You need a valid rebuttal, not a non sequitur which is usually considered a fallacy. Typical of the right wing who, never get it and don't ask relevant questions.Wow, you regurgitated everything you have to say on the subject in one post. No need for you to say anything further, because it will only be a recitation of one of these.A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.You're making my argument for me--the federal government has no authority to regulate arms. The federal government shall not infringe on the right of the people.So what. Legal fallacies are just that. Our Founding Fathers provided a solution for it.The SC agrees that the second amendment protects the individual's right to bear arms.All right-wingers do is make stuff up and expect us to believe y'all have the "gospel Truth" instead of just fallacy. The whole and entire People are the Militia.It is self-evident. It is the right of the PEOPLE to bear arms, not that of the militia, as has been ruled by the SC and borne out by the writings of those who wrote the Constitution.Because it should be self-evident.Of course it doesn't say that in the First. It also doesn't say it in the Second. The declaration you refer to only gives a reason why the government is restricted, it does not restrict the right to the militia, as found by the SC.
I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved to the states.
How is this anything other than a ban on federal authority?
How can you torture the words to mean something other?
Can we at least agree that the second amendment was intended to reserve the authority/powers to regulate arms to the States?
Maybe you don't understand your own argument?
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
(The pigeon takes another lap)
Which means nothing in North Dakota, Oklahoma, or Hawaii.Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)That has nothing to do with an individual's purchase, ownership, possession or use of a fucking gun.To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
Oh, he knows the answer, he just won't admit it.Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Who has the constitutional authority/power to regulate the individual purchase, ownership, possession, and use of arms?
Just admit that you don't know the answer, Dan, so we can all laugh at you and move on.
The States...except as required for a well regulated militia (which no longer exists)Is the power to regulate arms held by the FedGov or the States?
So, EXCLUSIVELY by the states? Right?The States...except as required for a well regulated militia (which no longer exists)Is the power to regulate arms held by the FedGov or the States?
By regulation.Do you know what that means?To provide for organizing, arming,
THe FedGov can give arms to the militia.
How does that answer my question?
...
Only if you ignore our federal form of Constitutional government. Are you a US citizen, Right-Winger?
lol. I gainsay your contention. Want to argue about it and see who resorts to the fewest fallacies?You can always be right when you completely ignore every rebuttal to your arguments. You can always be right when you insist your legal reasoning is superior to that of the justices on the SC and the rest of the legal profession. You can always be right when you just repeat ad nauseum meaningless one-liners.In Right-Wing fantasy, you are Always Right.We've rebutted every single one of those. All that's left is to make fun of you.You need a valid rebuttal, not a non sequitur which is usually considered a fallacy. Typical of the right wing who, never get it and don't ask relevant questions.Wow, you regurgitated everything you have to say on the subject in one post. No need for you to say anything further, because it will only be a recitation of one of these.A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.You're making my argument for me--the federal government has no authority to regulate arms. The federal government shall not infringe on the right of the people.So what. Legal fallacies are just that. Our Founding Fathers provided a solution for it.The SC agrees that the second amendment protects the individual's right to bear arms.All right-wingers do is make stuff up and expect us to believe y'all have the "gospel Truth" instead of just fallacy. The whole and entire People are the Militia.It is self-evident. It is the right of the PEOPLE to bear arms, not that of the militia, as has been ruled by the SC and borne out by the writings of those who wrote the Constitution.Because it should be self-evident.Of course it doesn't say that in the First. It also doesn't say it in the Second. The declaration you refer to only gives a reason why the government is restricted, it does not restrict the right to the militia, as found by the SC.
I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved to the states.
How is this anything other than a ban on federal authority?
How can you torture the words to mean something other?
Can we at least agree that the second amendment was intended to reserve the authority/powers to regulate arms to the States?
Maybe you don't understand your own argument?
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
(The pigeon takes another lap)
IOW, you are not always right, you do not resort to the fewest fallacies and you do not win every argument.