The Republican Party is going to be REALLY interesting to watch for a while

[Claudette]

```````

You seem to think everything you lefties put on this board is true.

Ah, good morning, ma'am.

Let's first address some old business that you are ---seemingly --- trying hard to sidestep.

And that is your assertions that BLM/ANTIFA invaded the Capitol on January 6th, and not the Trumpcult and the jackass-patriot nutters.

I think you are wrong and have asked you to vet your assertions. You dodge. Or, you say you know it is true because you read it on an internet message board where it was posted by anonymous posters using fake names. Claudette, that kind of 'sourcing' doesn't speak well for your level of education. I do not mean that pejoratively. It just is what it is.

I still say, unless and until you prove your assertion .......well I say that you are deadsolidperfectly off-base about who participated in the January Trump Insurrection.
......................................................................

So lets do two: You say the police opened the doors for all the insurrectionists.
Which is a puzzler. One of those moments where reasonable and observant adults go.....WTF?!

I mean by that, watch some TV coverage of how the police stood in entryways battling the TrumpCultists and patriot-jackasses. Battling 'em.....and being savagely beaten in the process.
Then, you, the poster Claudette, comes on this venue and asserts the police "let" 'em all in.

Again, poster, you asserted it.
You prove it.
Batter up, gurlfriend.
..........................................................................

Lastly (go for three?). You presumptuously assert my avatar is a "leftie".

Ummm, nope.
The 'left' won't have me as I'm too conservative.
The 'right' won't have me as I'm too liberal.
I happily describe my poor avatar as ..... a 'skeptical optimist'.

And, pray tell, what about you poster Claudette?
........please please do not tell us you are one of the 'jackass-patriots'.
You aren't are you?

You're not going to get an honest answer from that poster so I will give them to you in links.

Answer to question one:

FBI: No Evidence Antifa Involved In Capitol Chaos

Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) and Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) were among the politicians to spread the baseless conspiracy theory.

www.forbes.com

FBI didn’t confirm antifa breached the Capitol

Two days after a mob of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol — an assault that caused lawmakers

www.politifact.com

Answer to question two in video:





The answer to number three:

Anyone who doesn't agree with a trump person is a far leftie in the eyes of the trump people.

Kinda funny the FBI would say that since Capital police have been suspended and are under investigation.

Oh Antifa and BLM were there all right. They were escorted in by Capital police. That's why Capital police are under investigation.

 

[Chillicothe]

Your link is broken,

Let's see if this works.
I cut&pasted directly from Amazon.

Amazon.com

.................................

postscript: I'll be damn the link won't open for me either.
If anyone is interested in the place and the culture (the terroir?) of Marjorie Taylor Greene, well, google up: "Blood At the Root".

 

[Claudette]

If you want to know, do what I do, look it up yourself. Its on the board. I always look up what I want to know.

Ah, poster Claudette, clearly, I'm not being clear.
Enough.

I think I know what I know.
And what you are posting about the Capitol Police "letting in all" of the insurrectionist is, well, not what I think I know.

• I saw on multiple sources the police battling for their lives on the steps of the Capitol in an attempt to prevent rioters from entering.
• I saw police pointing guns at rioters breaking windows to get at the legislators.
• I saw a policeman shoot at a rioter who was breaking and entering in the Capitol.
  
  YOU assert that you saw the police letting in all of the rioters.

Clearly, my empirical knowledge conflicts with your assertions.
What I am asking is for you to back up your assertions.
You seemingly are suggesting that you don't have to back up what you say. You seemingly are suggesting that your word is not to be questioned.

I'm saying that such suggestions do not offer you credibility when opining on this matter. No credibility can be offered if one is unable, or unwilling to back up their own word. Forgive any of us on this venue if the perception arises of cluelessness, or carelessness, or intentional obtuseness.

Look, poster, I ain't your enemy.
I am simply attempting to advise you to be a more effective contributor here.
A more credible one. One with gravitas.

Peace out.

LOL You sure have your mind made up about what I think.

As for you advice, I'd say most posters on this board apply.

Out.

 

[Dana7360]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

I would say before the events that followed after the November 2020 election, Republicans had a good chance of making gains and taking back the House and possibly increasing their numbers in the Senate in 2022. For some odd reason, the down ballot Republicans in the Senate survived and they even picked up seats in the House. Then, Trump lost the election, screamed fraud for two months and proceeded to carve a path of destruction that would have made Sherman envious. He costs the Republican party the Senate (GA runoffs) and then two months of his legal and tweeting temper tantrums and spreading of the conspiracy theory manure results in a violent insurrection at the Capitol where he goads in followers to attempt to take the election by force. That effectively wipes out all the momentum that came from November 3rd.

Right now, I don't see any short term hope for the Republican party. Let's set aside that the present iteration of "conservatism" that Republicans have espoused for the last four decades has been a complete failure (policy wise) and has only survived because they've gotten rust belt and southern voters to vote against their own best interests. Now, they've let a carnival barker split them in half. Allowed him to run amok, set the narrative and bolster it with constant conspiracy theories and playing upon more than three decades of perceived grievances. They are slowly driving the moderates away. There will be a lot of people who voted for Trump that will be turned off by the extremism too. Put that together and neither Trump nor the Republicans have enough of a majority to overcome the Democrats.

Now I realize that Democrats are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory but I think this time, they'll get a big assist from Republicans. Mitch can try to "ignore" Trump all he wants. It ain't gonna happen. Trump is a force of being. The only way he'll be silenced is if he goes to prison. Personally, I think the destruction of the Republican party is long overdue. Ever since that serial philanderer Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution breezed into town in 1994, it's been a long, slow downhill slide into the loony bin for Republicans. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crash.

Yeah, that's how it looked to me before Trump's characteristically childish tirade against McConnell, but now I'm guessing we could see some serious fireworks. No doubt we'll see many Qandidates pop up now, so the question is how many and what havoc they end up causing.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would be putting those countless images of the q people storming the capitol in their selfish attempt to overthrow democracy and the voice of the majority of the people in our nation.

There are tons of images and video of q followers attacking our capitol.

There are many old trump tweets with q conspiracies in them.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would make sure those images where in ads on TV regularly for everyone to see. Not just during election seasons but all through the year.

If they don't, they're passing up a huge opportunity. But we both know how both ends of the spectrum never miss a chance to miss a chance.

Your last sentence shows the deep problem with politics today.

The far ends.

They are the fringe yet the rest of the people in both parties allow the very extreme to have an influence.

I don't give a damn what either end wants or thinks.

Those of us who aren't in the extreme better start standing up to those extremes to put them back under the rocks they came from.

 

[Chillicothe]

Oh Antifa and BLM were there all right. They were escorted in by Capital police.

Show us Claudette.
Give us a credible source.
You state it.
You show it.

Adult Discourse 101

 

[bripat9643]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

I would say before the events that followed after the November 2020 election, Republicans had a good chance of making gains and taking back the House and possibly increasing their numbers in the Senate in 2022. For some odd reason, the down ballot Republicans in the Senate survived and they even picked up seats in the House. Then, Trump lost the election, screamed fraud for two months and proceeded to carve a path of destruction that would have made Sherman envious. He costs the Republican party the Senate (GA runoffs) and then two months of his legal and tweeting temper tantrums and spreading of the conspiracy theory manure results in a violent insurrection at the Capitol where he goads in followers to attempt to take the election by force. That effectively wipes out all the momentum that came from November 3rd.

Right now, I don't see any short term hope for the Republican party. Let's set aside that the present iteration of "conservatism" that Republicans have espoused for the last four decades has been a complete failure (policy wise) and has only survived because they've gotten rust belt and southern voters to vote against their own best interests. Now, they've let a carnival barker split them in half. Allowed him to run amok, set the narrative and bolster it with constant conspiracy theories and playing upon more than three decades of perceived grievances. They are slowly driving the moderates away. There will be a lot of people who voted for Trump that will be turned off by the extremism too. Put that together and neither Trump nor the Republicans have enough of a majority to overcome the Democrats.

Now I realize that Democrats are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory but I think this time, they'll get a big assist from Republicans. Mitch can try to "ignore" Trump all he wants. It ain't gonna happen. Trump is a force of being. The only way he'll be silenced is if he goes to prison. Personally, I think the destruction of the Republican party is long overdue. Ever since that serial philanderer Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution breezed into town in 1994, it's been a long, slow downhill slide into the loony bin for Republicans. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crash.

Yeah, that's how it looked to me before Trump's characteristically childish tirade against McConnell, but now I'm guessing we could see some serious fireworks. No doubt we'll see many Qandidates pop up now, so the question is how many and what havoc they end up causing.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would be putting those countless images of the q people storming the capitol in their selfish attempt to overthrow democracy and the voice of the majority of the people in our nation.

There are tons of images and video of q followers attacking our capitol.

There are many old trump tweets with q conspiracies in them.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would make sure those images where in ads on TV regularly for everyone to see. Not just during election seasons but all through the year.

If they don't, they're passing up a huge opportunity. But we both know how both ends of the spectrum never miss a chance to miss a chance.

Your last sentence shows the deep problem with politics today.

The far ends.

They are the fringe yet the rest of the people in both parties allow the very extreme to have an influence.

I don't give a damn what either end wants or thinks.

Those of us who aren't in the extreme better start standing up to those extremes to put them back under the rocks they came from.

What could be more hilarious than a couple of NAZI miniions of the Democrat Reich talking about the "very extreme" and "both ends of the spectrum?"

You people are totally delusional about what you believe.

 

[Mac1958]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

I would say before the events that followed after the November 2020 election, Republicans had a good chance of making gains and taking back the House and possibly increasing their numbers in the Senate in 2022. For some odd reason, the down ballot Republicans in the Senate survived and they even picked up seats in the House. Then, Trump lost the election, screamed fraud for two months and proceeded to carve a path of destruction that would have made Sherman envious. He costs the Republican party the Senate (GA runoffs) and then two months of his legal and tweeting temper tantrums and spreading of the conspiracy theory manure results in a violent insurrection at the Capitol where he goads in followers to attempt to take the election by force. That effectively wipes out all the momentum that came from November 3rd.

Right now, I don't see any short term hope for the Republican party. Let's set aside that the present iteration of "conservatism" that Republicans have espoused for the last four decades has been a complete failure (policy wise) and has only survived because they've gotten rust belt and southern voters to vote against their own best interests. Now, they've let a carnival barker split them in half. Allowed him to run amok, set the narrative and bolster it with constant conspiracy theories and playing upon more than three decades of perceived grievances. They are slowly driving the moderates away. There will be a lot of people who voted for Trump that will be turned off by the extremism too. Put that together and neither Trump nor the Republicans have enough of a majority to overcome the Democrats.

Now I realize that Democrats are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory but I think this time, they'll get a big assist from Republicans. Mitch can try to "ignore" Trump all he wants. It ain't gonna happen. Trump is a force of being. The only way he'll be silenced is if he goes to prison. Personally, I think the destruction of the Republican party is long overdue. Ever since that serial philanderer Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution breezed into town in 1994, it's been a long, slow downhill slide into the loony bin for Republicans. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crash.

Yeah, that's how it looked to me before Trump's characteristically childish tirade against McConnell, but now I'm guessing we could see some serious fireworks. No doubt we'll see many Qandidates pop up now, so the question is how many and what havoc they end up causing.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would be putting those countless images of the q people storming the capitol in their selfish attempt to overthrow democracy and the voice of the majority of the people in our nation.

There are tons of images and video of q followers attacking our capitol.

There are many old trump tweets with q conspiracies in them.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would make sure those images where in ads on TV regularly for everyone to see. Not just during election seasons but all through the year.

If they don't, they're passing up a huge opportunity. But we both know how both ends of the spectrum never miss a chance to miss a chance.

Your last sentence shows the deep problem with politics today.

The far ends.

They are the fringe yet the rest of the people in both parties allow the very extreme to have an influence.

I don't give a damn what either end wants or thinks.

Those of us who aren't in the extreme better start standing up to those extremes to put them back under the rocks they came from.

Nothing of substance changes unless and until both ends hold their own side accountable.

Not holding my breath on that.

 

[Chillicothe]

You sure have your mind made up about what I think.

I don't know for sure what you think.
The only evidence I...or others may have ....is what you assert here.
And, because words have meaning.....we assume you say what you mean.

Yet, when queried, you dodge, deflect, deny.

One's word is important as a measure of the one who said it..... in the world that I live in.
Your world may be different.

 

[bendog]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

I would say before the events that followed after the November 2020 election, Republicans had a good chance of making gains and taking back the House and possibly increasing their numbers in the Senate in 2022. For some odd reason, the down ballot Republicans in the Senate survived and they even picked up seats in the House. Then, Trump lost the election, screamed fraud for two months and proceeded to carve a path of destruction that would have made Sherman envious. He costs the Republican party the Senate (GA runoffs) and then two months of his legal and tweeting temper tantrums and spreading of the conspiracy theory manure results in a violent insurrection at the Capitol where he goads in followers to attempt to take the election by force. That effectively wipes out all the momentum that came from November 3rd.

Right now, I don't see any short term hope for the Republican party. Let's set aside that the present iteration of "conservatism" that Republicans have espoused for the last four decades has been a complete failure (policy wise) and has only survived because they've gotten rust belt and southern voters to vote against their own best interests. Now, they've let a carnival barker split them in half. Allowed him to run amok, set the narrative and bolster it with constant conspiracy theories and playing upon more than three decades of perceived grievances. They are slowly driving the moderates away. There will be a lot of people who voted for Trump that will be turned off by the extremism too. Put that together and neither Trump nor the Republicans have enough of a majority to overcome the Democrats.

Now I realize that Democrats are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory but I think this time, they'll get a big assist from Republicans. Mitch can try to "ignore" Trump all he wants. It ain't gonna happen. Trump is a force of being. The only way he'll be silenced is if he goes to prison. Personally, I think the destruction of the Republican party is long overdue. Ever since that serial philanderer Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution breezed into town in 1994, it's been a long, slow downhill slide into the loony bin for Republicans. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crash.

Yeah, that's how it looked to me before Trump's characteristically childish tirade against McConnell, but now I'm guessing we could see some serious fireworks. No doubt we'll see many Qandidates pop up now, so the question is how many and what havoc they end up causing.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would be putting those countless images of the q people storming the capitol in their selfish attempt to overthrow democracy and the voice of the majority of the people in our nation.

There are tons of images and video of q followers attacking our capitol.

There are many old trump tweets with q conspiracies in them.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would make sure those images where in ads on TV regularly for everyone to see. Not just during election seasons but all through the year.

If they don't, they're passing up a huge opportunity. But we both know how both ends of the spectrum never miss a chance to miss a chance.

Your last sentence shows the deep problem with politics today.

The far ends.

They are the fringe yet the rest of the people in both parties allow the very extreme to have an influence.

I don't give a damn what either end wants or thinks.

Those of us who aren't in the extreme better start standing up to those extremes to put them back under the rocks they came from.

imo Tom Cotton could be acceptable to the Trump and Mainstream republicans. And I suspect that what will happen is the party just stops paying attention to the QAnon/Trump conspiracies. They were never republicans till Trump.

But the dem progressives are more deeply embedded.

 

[Claudette]

Oh Antifa and BLM were there all right. They were escorted in by Capital police.

Show us Claudette.
Give us a credible source.
You state it.
You show it.

Adult Discourse 101

Wish I could but I can't on this computer. The only reason I can get on this board is because its in the history.

You'll have to look it up yourself.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

```````

You seem to think everything you lefties put on this board is true.

Ah, good morning, ma'am.

Let's first address some old business that you are ---seemingly --- trying hard to sidestep.

And that is your assertions that BLM/ANTIFA invaded the Capitol on January 6th, and not the Trumpcult and the jackass-patriot nutters.

I think you are wrong and have asked you to vet your assertions. You dodge. Or, you say you know it is true because you read it on an internet message board where it was posted by anonymous posters using fake names. Claudette, that kind of 'sourcing' doesn't speak well for your level of education. I do not mean that pejoratively. It just is what it is.

I still say, unless and until you prove your assertion .......well I say that you are deadsolidperfectly off-base about who participated in the January Trump Insurrection.
......................................................................

So lets do two: You say the police opened the doors for all the insurrectionists.
Which is a puzzler. One of those moments where reasonable and observant adults go.....WTF?!

I mean by that, watch some TV coverage of how the police stood in entryways battling the TrumpCultists and patriot-jackasses. Battling 'em.....and being savagely beaten in the process.
Then, you, the poster Claudette, comes on this venue and asserts the police "let" 'em all in.

Again, poster, you asserted it.
You prove it.
Batter up, gurlfriend.
..........................................................................

Lastly (go for three?). You presumptuously assert my avatar is a "leftie".

Ummm, nope.
The 'left' won't have me as I'm too conservative.
The 'right' won't have me as I'm too liberal.
I happily describe my poor avatar as ..... a 'skeptical optimist'.

And, pray tell, what about you poster Claudette?
........please please do not tell us you are one of the 'jackass-patriots'.
You aren't are you?

You're not going to get an honest answer from that poster so I will give them to you in links.

Answer to question one:

FBI: No Evidence Antifa Involved In Capitol Chaos

Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) and Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) were among the politicians to spread the baseless conspiracy theory.

www.forbes.com

FBI didn’t confirm antifa breached the Capitol

Two days after a mob of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol — an assault that caused lawmakers

www.politifact.com

Answer to question two in video:





The answer to number three:

Anyone who doesn't agree with a trump person is a far leftie in the eyes of the trump people.

Kinda funny the FBI would say that since Capital police have been suspended and are under investigation.

Oh Antifa and BLM were there all right. They were escorted in by Capital police. That's why Capital police are under investigation.

These were TRUMP supporters. And a few Capitol policemen gave them a hand. THAT'S why they are under investigation.

6 Capitol Police officers suspended, 29 others being investigated for alleged roles in riot

Six US Capitol Police officers have been suspended with pay, and 29 others have been placed under investigation, for their actions in the January 6 riot, a department spokesman said Thursday.

www.cnn.com

 

[Dana7360]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

I would say before the events that followed after the November 2020 election, Republicans had a good chance of making gains and taking back the House and possibly increasing their numbers in the Senate in 2022. For some odd reason, the down ballot Republicans in the Senate survived and they even picked up seats in the House. Then, Trump lost the election, screamed fraud for two months and proceeded to carve a path of destruction that would have made Sherman envious. He costs the Republican party the Senate (GA runoffs) and then two months of his legal and tweeting temper tantrums and spreading of the conspiracy theory manure results in a violent insurrection at the Capitol where he goads in followers to attempt to take the election by force. That effectively wipes out all the momentum that came from November 3rd.

Right now, I don't see any short term hope for the Republican party. Let's set aside that the present iteration of "conservatism" that Republicans have espoused for the last four decades has been a complete failure (policy wise) and has only survived because they've gotten rust belt and southern voters to vote against their own best interests. Now, they've let a carnival barker split them in half. Allowed him to run amok, set the narrative and bolster it with constant conspiracy theories and playing upon more than three decades of perceived grievances. They are slowly driving the moderates away. There will be a lot of people who voted for Trump that will be turned off by the extremism too. Put that together and neither Trump nor the Republicans have enough of a majority to overcome the Democrats.

Now I realize that Democrats are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory but I think this time, they'll get a big assist from Republicans. Mitch can try to "ignore" Trump all he wants. It ain't gonna happen. Trump is a force of being. The only way he'll be silenced is if he goes to prison. Personally, I think the destruction of the Republican party is long overdue. Ever since that serial philanderer Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution breezed into town in 1994, it's been a long, slow downhill slide into the loony bin for Republicans. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crash.

Yeah, that's how it looked to me before Trump's characteristically childish tirade against McConnell, but now I'm guessing we could see some serious fireworks. No doubt we'll see many Qandidates pop up now, so the question is how many and what havoc they end up causing.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would be putting those countless images of the q people storming the capitol in their selfish attempt to overthrow democracy and the voice of the majority of the people in our nation.

There are tons of images and video of q followers attacking our capitol.

There are many old trump tweets with q conspiracies in them.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would make sure those images where in ads on TV regularly for everyone to see. Not just during election seasons but all through the year.

If they don't, they're passing up a huge opportunity. But we both know how both ends of the spectrum never miss a chance to miss a chance.

Your last sentence shows the deep problem with politics today.

The far ends.

They are the fringe yet the rest of the people in both parties allow the very extreme to have an influence.

I don't give a damn what either end wants or thinks.

Those of us who aren't in the extreme better start standing up to those extremes to put them back under the rocks they came from.

Nothing of substance changes unless and until both ends hold their own side accountable.

Not holding my breath on that.

Something of substance will change if those of us who aren't the ends of either side put a stop to the minority fringes and put them back under the rocks they came out from under.

Nothing will change until the majority, that's everyone who isn't the end of the parties, stands up to those crazy people.

Stop depending on getting those ends to wake up and change.

It's not going to happen.

What is more likely to happen to cause change, did happen at one time and worked very well, is that the rest of us stop coddling the ends and put them back under the rocks they came from.

We already know the coddling them leads to disaster so why keep doing what we already know is very dangerous?

Why don't we return to what we know works?

 

[Mac1958]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

I would say before the events that followed after the November 2020 election, Republicans had a good chance of making gains and taking back the House and possibly increasing their numbers in the Senate in 2022. For some odd reason, the down ballot Republicans in the Senate survived and they even picked up seats in the House. Then, Trump lost the election, screamed fraud for two months and proceeded to carve a path of destruction that would have made Sherman envious. He costs the Republican party the Senate (GA runoffs) and then two months of his legal and tweeting temper tantrums and spreading of the conspiracy theory manure results in a violent insurrection at the Capitol where he goads in followers to attempt to take the election by force. That effectively wipes out all the momentum that came from November 3rd.

Right now, I don't see any short term hope for the Republican party. Let's set aside that the present iteration of "conservatism" that Republicans have espoused for the last four decades has been a complete failure (policy wise) and has only survived because they've gotten rust belt and southern voters to vote against their own best interests. Now, they've let a carnival barker split them in half. Allowed him to run amok, set the narrative and bolster it with constant conspiracy theories and playing upon more than three decades of perceived grievances. They are slowly driving the moderates away. There will be a lot of people who voted for Trump that will be turned off by the extremism too. Put that together and neither Trump nor the Republicans have enough of a majority to overcome the Democrats.

Now I realize that Democrats are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory but I think this time, they'll get a big assist from Republicans. Mitch can try to "ignore" Trump all he wants. It ain't gonna happen. Trump is a force of being. The only way he'll be silenced is if he goes to prison. Personally, I think the destruction of the Republican party is long overdue. Ever since that serial philanderer Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution breezed into town in 1994, it's been a long, slow downhill slide into the loony bin for Republicans. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crash.

Yeah, that's how it looked to me before Trump's characteristically childish tirade against McConnell, but now I'm guessing we could see some serious fireworks. No doubt we'll see many Qandidates pop up now, so the question is how many and what havoc they end up causing.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would be putting those countless images of the q people storming the capitol in their selfish attempt to overthrow democracy and the voice of the majority of the people in our nation.

There are tons of images and video of q followers attacking our capitol.

There are many old trump tweets with q conspiracies in them.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would make sure those images where in ads on TV regularly for everyone to see. Not just during election seasons but all through the year.

If they don't, they're passing up a huge opportunity. But we both know how both ends of the spectrum never miss a chance to miss a chance.

Your last sentence shows the deep problem with politics today.

The far ends.

They are the fringe yet the rest of the people in both parties allow the very extreme to have an influence.

I don't give a damn what either end wants or thinks.

Those of us who aren't in the extreme better start standing up to those extremes to put them back under the rocks they came from.

Nothing of substance changes unless and until both ends hold their own side accountable.

Not holding my breath on that.

Something of substance will change if those of us who aren't the ends of either side put a stop to the minority fringes and put them back under the rocks they came out from under.

Nothing will change until the majority, that's everyone who isn't the end of the parties, stands up to those crazy people.

Stop depending on getting those ends to wake up and change.

It's not going to happen.

What is more likely to happen to cause change, did happen at one time and worked very well, is that the rest of us stop coddling the ends and put them back under the rocks they came from.

We already know the coddling them leads to disaster so why keep doing what we already know is very dangerous?

Why don't we return to what we know works?

Maybe because we can't even agree on what works. We're not thinking clearly.

 

[Dana7360]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

I would say before the events that followed after the November 2020 election, Republicans had a good chance of making gains and taking back the House and possibly increasing their numbers in the Senate in 2022. For some odd reason, the down ballot Republicans in the Senate survived and they even picked up seats in the House. Then, Trump lost the election, screamed fraud for two months and proceeded to carve a path of destruction that would have made Sherman envious. He costs the Republican party the Senate (GA runoffs) and then two months of his legal and tweeting temper tantrums and spreading of the conspiracy theory manure results in a violent insurrection at the Capitol where he goads in followers to attempt to take the election by force. That effectively wipes out all the momentum that came from November 3rd.

Right now, I don't see any short term hope for the Republican party. Let's set aside that the present iteration of "conservatism" that Republicans have espoused for the last four decades has been a complete failure (policy wise) and has only survived because they've gotten rust belt and southern voters to vote against their own best interests. Now, they've let a carnival barker split them in half. Allowed him to run amok, set the narrative and bolster it with constant conspiracy theories and playing upon more than three decades of perceived grievances. They are slowly driving the moderates away. There will be a lot of people who voted for Trump that will be turned off by the extremism too. Put that together and neither Trump nor the Republicans have enough of a majority to overcome the Democrats.

Now I realize that Democrats are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory but I think this time, they'll get a big assist from Republicans. Mitch can try to "ignore" Trump all he wants. It ain't gonna happen. Trump is a force of being. The only way he'll be silenced is if he goes to prison. Personally, I think the destruction of the Republican party is long overdue. Ever since that serial philanderer Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution breezed into town in 1994, it's been a long, slow downhill slide into the loony bin for Republicans. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crash.

Yeah, that's how it looked to me before Trump's characteristically childish tirade against McConnell, but now I'm guessing we could see some serious fireworks. No doubt we'll see many Qandidates pop up now, so the question is how many and what havoc they end up causing.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would be putting those countless images of the q people storming the capitol in their selfish attempt to overthrow democracy and the voice of the majority of the people in our nation.

There are tons of images and video of q followers attacking our capitol.

There are many old trump tweets with q conspiracies in them.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would make sure those images where in ads on TV regularly for everyone to see. Not just during election seasons but all through the year.

If they don't, they're passing up a huge opportunity. But we both know how both ends of the spectrum never miss a chance to miss a chance.

Your last sentence shows the deep problem with politics today.

The far ends.

They are the fringe yet the rest of the people in both parties allow the very extreme to have an influence.

I don't give a damn what either end wants or thinks.

Those of us who aren't in the extreme better start standing up to those extremes to put them back under the rocks they came from.

Nothing of substance changes unless and until both ends hold their own side accountable.

Not holding my breath on that.

Something of substance will change if those of us who aren't the ends of either side put a stop to the minority fringes and put them back under the rocks they came out from under.

Nothing will change until the majority, that's everyone who isn't the end of the parties, stands up to those crazy people.

Stop depending on getting those ends to wake up and change.

It's not going to happen.

What is more likely to happen to cause change, did happen at one time and worked very well, is that the rest of us stop coddling the ends and put them back under the rocks they came from.

We already know the coddling them leads to disaster so why keep doing what we already know is very dangerous?

Why don't we return to what we know works?

Maybe because we can't even agree on what works. We're not thinking clearly.

You have a point there.

However there was a time in our nation that our government investigated those people and brought the full force of the justice system on them.

We stopped doing that. it wasn't all at once. It was gradual. So people didn't notice.

It started in the 80s and has progressively gotten worse with time until now we are faced with fringe ends on both spectrums that are being coddled as if their policies actually are beneficial to our nation.

They aren't.

We know this from history and contemporary events.

We also know that when we have a government and people who will actually do something about it, such as our justice system, those crazy people slink back to the rocks they came from and are reduced to levels that aren't toxic to our nation.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

I would say before the events that followed after the November 2020 election, Republicans had a good chance of making gains and taking back the House and possibly increasing their numbers in the Senate in 2022. For some odd reason, the down ballot Republicans in the Senate survived and they even picked up seats in the House. Then, Trump lost the election, screamed fraud for two months and proceeded to carve a path of destruction that would have made Sherman envious. He costs the Republican party the Senate (GA runoffs) and then two months of his legal and tweeting temper tantrums and spreading of the conspiracy theory manure results in a violent insurrection at the Capitol where he goads in followers to attempt to take the election by force. That effectively wipes out all the momentum that came from November 3rd.

Right now, I don't see any short term hope for the Republican party. Let's set aside that the present iteration of "conservatism" that Republicans have espoused for the last four decades has been a complete failure (policy wise) and has only survived because they've gotten rust belt and southern voters to vote against their own best interests. Now, they've let a carnival barker split them in half. Allowed him to run amok, set the narrative and bolster it with constant conspiracy theories and playing upon more than three decades of perceived grievances. They are slowly driving the moderates away. There will be a lot of people who voted for Trump that will be turned off by the extremism too. Put that together and neither Trump nor the Republicans have enough of a majority to overcome the Democrats.

Now I realize that Democrats are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory but I think this time, they'll get a big assist from Republicans. Mitch can try to "ignore" Trump all he wants. It ain't gonna happen. Trump is a force of being. The only way he'll be silenced is if he goes to prison. Personally, I think the destruction of the Republican party is long overdue. Ever since that serial philanderer Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution breezed into town in 1994, it's been a long, slow downhill slide into the loony bin for Republicans. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crash.

Yeah, that's how it looked to me before Trump's characteristically childish tirade against McConnell, but now I'm guessing we could see some serious fireworks. No doubt we'll see many Qandidates pop up now, so the question is how many and what havoc they end up causing.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would be putting those countless images of the q people storming the capitol in their selfish attempt to overthrow democracy and the voice of the majority of the people in our nation.

There are tons of images and video of q followers attacking our capitol.

There are many old trump tweets with q conspiracies in them.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would make sure those images where in ads on TV regularly for everyone to see. Not just during election seasons but all through the year.

If they don't, they're passing up a huge opportunity. But we both know how both ends of the spectrum never miss a chance to miss a chance.

Your last sentence shows the deep problem with politics today.

The far ends.

They are the fringe yet the rest of the people in both parties allow the very extreme to have an influence.

I don't give a damn what either end wants or thinks.

Those of us who aren't in the extreme better start standing up to those extremes to put them back under the rocks they came from.

Nothing of substance changes unless and until both ends hold their own side accountable.

Not holding my breath on that.

The right is held accountrable daily by the fake news media. Likewise, they provide cover the left, so the later will never kick out their lunatics.

 

[JimH52]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

Yup...looking forward to the anarchy and chaos within the GOPQ that is going to take place when Turtle McConnell goes up against Moron trump. There will be blood and guts and orange fur spread al over. Delicious!

 

[bendog]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

I would say before the events that followed after the November 2020 election, Republicans had a good chance of making gains and taking back the House and possibly increasing their numbers in the Senate in 2022. For some odd reason, the down ballot Republicans in the Senate survived and they even picked up seats in the House. Then, Trump lost the election, screamed fraud for two months and proceeded to carve a path of destruction that would have made Sherman envious. He costs the Republican party the Senate (GA runoffs) and then two months of his legal and tweeting temper tantrums and spreading of the conspiracy theory manure results in a violent insurrection at the Capitol where he goads in followers to attempt to take the election by force. That effectively wipes out all the momentum that came from November 3rd.

Right now, I don't see any short term hope for the Republican party. Let's set aside that the present iteration of "conservatism" that Republicans have espoused for the last four decades has been a complete failure (policy wise) and has only survived because they've gotten rust belt and southern voters to vote against their own best interests. Now, they've let a carnival barker split them in half. Allowed him to run amok, set the narrative and bolster it with constant conspiracy theories and playing upon more than three decades of perceived grievances. They are slowly driving the moderates away. There will be a lot of people who voted for Trump that will be turned off by the extremism too. Put that together and neither Trump nor the Republicans have enough of a majority to overcome the Democrats.

Now I realize that Democrats are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory but I think this time, they'll get a big assist from Republicans. Mitch can try to "ignore" Trump all he wants. It ain't gonna happen. Trump is a force of being. The only way he'll be silenced is if he goes to prison. Personally, I think the destruction of the Republican party is long overdue. Ever since that serial philanderer Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution breezed into town in 1994, it's been a long, slow downhill slide into the loony bin for Republicans. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crash.

Yeah, that's how it looked to me before Trump's characteristically childish tirade against McConnell, but now I'm guessing we could see some serious fireworks. No doubt we'll see many Qandidates pop up now, so the question is how many and what havoc they end up causing.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would be putting those countless images of the q people storming the capitol in their selfish attempt to overthrow democracy and the voice of the majority of the people in our nation.

There are tons of images and video of q followers attacking our capitol.

There are many old trump tweets with q conspiracies in them.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would make sure those images where in ads on TV regularly for everyone to see. Not just during election seasons but all through the year.

If they don't, they're passing up a huge opportunity. But we both know how both ends of the spectrum never miss a chance to miss a chance.

Your last sentence shows the deep problem with politics today.

The far ends.

They are the fringe yet the rest of the people in both parties allow the very extreme to have an influence.

I don't give a damn what either end wants or thinks.

Those of us who aren't in the extreme better start standing up to those extremes to put them back under the rocks they came from.

Nothing of substance changes unless and until both ends hold their own side accountable.

Not holding my breath on that.

Something of substance will change if those of us who aren't the ends of either side put a stop to the minority fringes and put them back under the rocks they came out from under.

Nothing will change until the majority, that's everyone who isn't the end of the parties, stands up to those crazy people.

Stop depending on getting those ends to wake up and change.

It's not going to happen.

What is more likely to happen to cause change, did happen at one time and worked very well, is that the rest of us stop coddling the ends and put them back under the rocks they came from.

We already know the coddling them leads to disaster so why keep doing what we already know is very dangerous?

Why don't we return to what we know works?

I'm not a dem, but I don't see Biden as being extreme. I'm still wondering how he will enforce having a border, but Trump coddled terrorists, acutally he was a terrorist himself in the end