You people sure do behave like you do.
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You want to try that again ... when you are sober?
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Why? Wasn't it clear enough for you? You behave like I have attacked your religion. You behave like I am from a rival religion. Now do you understand?
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Why? Wasn't it clear enough for you? You behave like I have attacked your religion. You behave like I am from a rival religion. Now do you understand?


so sad, the christian feels threatened their religion has yet to be set free from the shackles of intolerance.
 
"The only explanation I can think of is that some at least of the signatories are zealots who, despite their scientific training, can be far more emotional and extreme in their thinking than the religious believers whom they hold in contempt....

Their explosive response to Mr Cameron’s gentle musings is proof enough. In several ways they exaggerate or distort what he wrote....

Yet despite his article’s even-handedness and the absence of any notion of exclusiveness, the letter finds it necessary to emphasize that we are ‘a plural society with citizens with a range of perspectives’. That is exactly the point the Prime Minister was making.

The truth is that there is a new breed of militant atheists who are capable of being as unreasoning as the most bone-headed creationist. Their intolerance is a strange mirror reflection of the bigotry of religious extremists..."

This new breed of militant atheists are as intolerant as any religious fundamentalists | Daily Mail Online
 
"But I am not anymore. In my interactions with religious and nonreligious people alike, I now draw a sharp line, based not on what exactly they believe but on their level of dogmatism. I consider dogmatism a far greater threat than religion per se. I am particularly curious why anyone would drop religion while retaining the blinkers sometimes associated with it. Why are the “neo-atheists” of today so obsessed with God’s nonexistence that they go on media rampages, wear T-shirts proclaiming their absence of belief, or call for a militant atheism? What does atheism have to offer that’s worth fighting for?

As one philosopher put it, being a militant atheist is like “sleeping furiously.”...

...atheists’ zeal keeps surprising me. Why “sleep furiously” unless there are inner demons to be kept at bay? In the same way that firefighters are sometimes stealth arsonists and homophobes closet homosexuals, do some atheists secretly long for the certitude of religion?..."

Has militant atheism become a religion?
 
"The only explanation I can think of is that some at least of the signatories are zealots who, despite their scientific training, can be far more emotional and extreme in their thinking than the religious believers whom they hold in contempt....

Their explosive response to Mr Cameron’s gentle musings is proof enough. In several ways they exaggerate or distort what he wrote....

Yet despite his article’s even-handedness and the absence of any notion of exclusiveness, the letter finds it necessary to emphasize that we are ‘a plural society with citizens with a range of perspectives’. That is exactly the point the Prime Minister was making.

The truth is that there is a new breed of militant atheists who are capable of being as unreasoning as the most bone-headed creationist. Their intolerance is a strange mirror reflection of the bigotry of religious extremists..."

This new breed of militant atheists are as intolerant as any religious fundamentalists | Daily Mail Online

Another ding quote. Per the article, the author states that the drastic fall in Christian followers is due to lack of propaganda.

I could offer a few tentative explanations for the drop in church attendance and decline of Christian belief: poor or non-existent religious education, the virtual disappearance of religious broadcasting, and the failings of the Church of England, which can sometimes appear introspective to the point of self-obsession.

A religion that people are willing to kill and die for should not need propaganda if it is true. It should just be true and obvious and evident to anyone.

The reason that non-believers like myself dislike the idea of religion, is that religions are leading us to an ultimate nuclear conflict, for a reason we cannot fathom since we don't follow those beliefs.

So we try to use reason and logic and science, to try to persuade religious followers that they are heading down a dangerous path. History has shown this, and it will only continue repeating itself, each time with more and more dangerous weapons.

So non-believers are left with few options. We can't just sit by and let you people destroy yourselves, because you'll destroy us in the process. We're not going to go militant on you and try to wipe religions off the planet, because that's impossible and also wrong. We can only try to educate you. Make the fanatics realize that there are other ideas out there from many places on the Earth which may also be true and should be considered. And if they want to continue to grow their faith, they should learn to do it in peace and rely on education rather than eradication. Help others who know things that you don't know, and learn from them at the same time. Faith should be a personal epiphany, that grows as you grow and learn. Not something forced down your throat from birth, that cannot be changed.

I can't speak for other non-believers, but that's why I argue these things. I want to see us continue to evolve and flourish, and eventually colonize other star systems. But we're not going to get there if we blow ourselves up first. And that's where these organized religions are ultimately leading us...
 
"The only explanation I can think of is that some at least of the signatories are zealots who, despite their scientific training, can be far more emotional and extreme in their thinking than the religious believers whom they hold in contempt....

Their explosive response to Mr Cameron’s gentle musings is proof enough. In several ways they exaggerate or distort what he wrote....

Yet despite his article’s even-handedness and the absence of any notion of exclusiveness, the letter finds it necessary to emphasize that we are ‘a plural society with citizens with a range of perspectives’. That is exactly the point the Prime Minister was making.

The truth is that there is a new breed of militant atheists who are capable of being as unreasoning as the most bone-headed creationist. Their intolerance is a strange mirror reflection of the bigotry of religious extremists..."

This new breed of militant atheists are as intolerant as any religious fundamentalists | Daily Mail Online

Another ding quote. Per the article, the author states that the drastic fall in Christian followers is due to lack of propaganda.

I could offer a few tentative explanations for the drop in church attendance and decline of Christian belief: poor or non-existent religious education, the virtual disappearance of religious broadcasting, and the failings of the Church of England, which can sometimes appear introspective to the point of self-obsession.

A religion that people are willing to kill and die for should not need propaganda if it is true. It should just be true and obvious and evident to anyone.

The reason that non-believers like myself dislike the idea of religion, is that religions are leading us to an ultimate nuclear conflict, for a reason we cannot fathom since we don't follow those beliefs.

So we try to use reason and logic and science, to try to persuade religious followers that they are heading down a dangerous path. History has shown this, and it will only continue repeating itself, each time with more and more dangerous weapons.

So non-believers are left with few options. We can't just sit by and let you people destroy yourselves, because you'll destroy us in the process. We're not going to go militant on you and try to wipe religions off the planet, because that's impossible and also wrong. We can only try to educate you. Make the fanatics realize that there are other ideas out there from many places on the Earth which may also be true and should be considered. And if they want to continue to grow their faith, they should learn to do it in peace and rely on education rather than eradication. Help others who know things that you don't know, and learn from them at the same time. Faith should be a personal epiphany, that grows as you grow and learn. Not something forced down your throat from birth, that cannot be changed.

I can't speak for other non-believers, but that's why I argue these things. I want to see us continue to evolve and flourish, and eventually colonize other star systems. But we're not going to get there if we blow ourselves up first. And that's where these organized religions are ultimately leading us...
Does it feel like your religion is being attacked?

"A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could." Vladimir Lenin

Lenin: The Attitude of the Workers' Party to Religion
 
A religion that people are willing to kill and die for should not need propaganda if it is true. It should just be true and obvious and evident to anyone.

The reason that non-believers like myself dislike the idea of religion, is that religions are leading us to an ultimate nuclear conflict, for a reason we cannot fathom since we don't follow those beliefs.

So we try to use reason and logic and science, to try to persuade religious followers that they are heading down a dangerous path. History has shown this, and it will only continue repeating itself, each time with more and more dangerous weapons.

So non-believers are left with few options. We can't just sit by and let you people destroy yourselves, because you'll destroy us in the process. We're not going to go militant on you and try to wipe religions off the planet, because that's impossible and also wrong. We can only try to educate you. Make the fanatics realize that there are other ideas out there from many places on the Earth which may also be true and should be considered. And if they want to continue to grow their faith, they should learn to do it in peace and rely on education rather than eradication. Help others who know things that you don't know, and learn from them at the same time. Faith should be a personal epiphany, that grows as you grow and learn. Not something forced down your throat from birth, that cannot be changed.

I can't speak for other non-believers, but that's why I argue these things. I want to see us continue to evolve and flourish, and eventually colonize other star systems. But we're not going to get there if we blow ourselves up first. And that's where these organized religions are ultimately leading us...
Does it feel like your religion is being attacked?
What religion?
As a general group, non-believers have no religion.
The logic of your OP is flawed, big time.
 
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the real flaw then for non believers when they are socialists is they are not granted tax exempt status when gathering in their newly financed headquarters ... the difference between what is written in the Constitution and the political inequities theist cunningly hold dear to their hearts as somehow appropriate in their behavior when used as law in their favor.



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A religion that people are willing to kill and die for should not need propaganda if it is true. It should just be true and obvious and evident to anyone.

The reason that non-believers like myself dislike the idea of religion, is that religions are leading us to an ultimate nuclear conflict, for a reason we cannot fathom since we don't follow those beliefs.

So we try to use reason and logic and science, to try to persuade religious followers that they are heading down a dangerous path. History has shown this, and it will only continue repeating itself, each time with more and more dangerous weapons.

So non-believers are left with few options. We can't just sit by and let you people destroy yourselves, because you'll destroy us in the process. We're not going to go militant on you and try to wipe religions off the planet, because that's impossible and also wrong. We can only try to educate you. Make the fanatics realize that there are other ideas out there from many places on the Earth which may also be true and should be considered. And if they want to continue to grow their faith, they should learn to do it in peace and rely on education rather than eradication. Help others who know things that you don't know, and learn from them at the same time. Faith should be a personal epiphany, that grows as you grow and learn. Not something forced down your throat from birth, that cannot be changed.

I can't speak for other non-believers, but that's why I argue these things. I want to see us continue to evolve and flourish, and eventually colonize other star systems. But we're not going to get there if we blow ourselves up first. And that's where these organized religions are ultimately leading us...
Does it feel like your religion is being attacked?
What religion?
As a general group, non-believers have no religion.
The logic of your OP is flawed, big time.
I can't think of a more fanatical and dogmatic group than militant atheists.
 
A religion that people are willing to kill and die for should not need propaganda if it is true. It should just be true and obvious and evident to anyone.

The reason that non-believers like myself dislike the idea of religion, is that religions are leading us to an ultimate nuclear conflict, for a reason we cannot fathom since we don't follow those beliefs.

So we try to use reason and logic and science, to try to persuade religious followers that they are heading down a dangerous path. History has shown this, and it will only continue repeating itself, each time with more and more dangerous weapons.

So non-believers are left with few options. We can't just sit by and let you people destroy yourselves, because you'll destroy us in the process. We're not going to go militant on you and try to wipe religions off the planet, because that's impossible and also wrong. We can only try to educate you. Make the fanatics realize that there are other ideas out there from many places on the Earth which may also be true and should be considered. And if they want to continue to grow their faith, they should learn to do it in peace and rely on education rather than eradication. Help others who know things that you don't know, and learn from them at the same time. Faith should be a personal epiphany, that grows as you grow and learn. Not something forced down your throat from birth, that cannot be changed.

I can't speak for other non-believers, but that's why I argue these things. I want to see us continue to evolve and flourish, and eventually colonize other star systems. But we're not going to get there if we blow ourselves up first. And that's where these organized religions are ultimately leading us...
Does it feel like your religion is being attacked?
What religion?
As a general group, non-believers have no religion.
The logic of your OP is flawed, big time.
I can't think of a more fanatical and dogmatic group than militant atheists.
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I can't think of a more fanatical and dogmatic group than militant atheists.


look who's talking, and republicans just reallowed the mentally tormented to buy guns ...
 
A religion that people are willing to kill and die for should not need propaganda if it is true. It should just be true and obvious and evident to anyone.

The reason that non-believers like myself dislike the idea of religion, is that religions are leading us to an ultimate nuclear conflict, for a reason we cannot fathom since we don't follow those beliefs.

So we try to use reason and logic and science, to try to persuade religious followers that they are heading down a dangerous path. History has shown this, and it will only continue repeating itself, each time with more and more dangerous weapons.

So non-believers are left with few options. We can't just sit by and let you people destroy yourselves, because you'll destroy us in the process. We're not going to go militant on you and try to wipe religions off the planet, because that's impossible and also wrong. We can only try to educate you. Make the fanatics realize that there are other ideas out there from many places on the Earth which may also be true and should be considered. And if they want to continue to grow their faith, they should learn to do it in peace and rely on education rather than eradication. Help others who know things that you don't know, and learn from them at the same time. Faith should be a personal epiphany, that grows as you grow and learn. Not something forced down your throat from birth, that cannot be changed.

I can't speak for other non-believers, but that's why I argue these things. I want to see us continue to evolve and flourish, and eventually colonize other star systems. But we're not going to get there if we blow ourselves up first. And that's where these organized religions are ultimately leading us...
Does it feel like your religion is being attacked?
What religion?
As a general group, non-believers have no religion.
The logic of your OP is flawed, big time.
I can't think of a more fanatical and dogmatic group than militant atheists.
How about "normal" atheists?
They are not dogmatic & irrational like religious zealots, right?
 
A religion that people are willing to kill and die for should not need propaganda if it is true. It should just be true and obvious and evident to anyone.

The reason that non-believers like myself dislike the idea of religion, is that religions are leading us to an ultimate nuclear conflict, for a reason we cannot fathom since we don't follow those beliefs.

So we try to use reason and logic and science, to try to persuade religious followers that they are heading down a dangerous path. History has shown this, and it will only continue repeating itself, each time with more and more dangerous weapons.

So non-believers are left with few options. We can't just sit by and let you people destroy yourselves, because you'll destroy us in the process. We're not going to go militant on you and try to wipe religions off the planet, because that's impossible and also wrong. We can only try to educate you. Make the fanatics realize that there are other ideas out there from many places on the Earth which may also be true and should be considered. And if they want to continue to grow their faith, they should learn to do it in peace and rely on education rather than eradication. Help others who know things that you don't know, and learn from them at the same time. Faith should be a personal epiphany, that grows as you grow and learn. Not something forced down your throat from birth, that cannot be changed.

I can't speak for other non-believers, but that's why I argue these things. I want to see us continue to evolve and flourish, and eventually colonize other star systems. But we're not going to get there if we blow ourselves up first. And that's where these organized religions are ultimately leading us...
Does it feel like your religion is being attacked?
What religion?
As a general group, non-believers have no religion.
The logic of your OP is flawed, big time.
I can't think of a more fanatical and dogmatic group than militant atheists.
How about "normal" atheists?
They are not dogmatic & irrational like religious zealots, right?
Agreed.
 
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so who are the examples of today's militant atheists (if any) the religionists believe are conspiring against them ... rather than just expressing their positions as ordinary points of view.
 
We non-believers, who have no soul and cannot tell right from wrong, are better people than most of the believers who have posted above.

From the voice of God Himself in human form...

'Splain dat next time we talk about the evils of religion, including slavery and genocide....

The Pope must be reading these threads finally. I like him! Let's see where he runs with it...
 
We non-believers, who have no soul and cannot tell right from wrong, are better people than most of the believers who have posted above.

From the voice of God Himself in human form...

'Splain dat next time we talk about the evils of religion, including slavery and genocide....

The Pope must be reading these threads finally. I like him! Let's see where he runs with it...
You have a soul, you just don't know it.
 

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