The Pope that thwarted the Middle East Peace Treaty

[HaShev]

John Paul ll decided to put his foot where it ought not be and made a trip to talk to Arafat RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS GONNA SIGN THE PEACE TREATY, suddenly it was all off, so what happened?
Word leaked out that the Pope asked Arafat not to sign unless they agreed to make YeruShalem an international city, that way Rome could prevent any Israeli control to plan the future Temple.

But Rome has always tried to thwart the revisiting of the Sanhedrin and the Temple and it's priesthood in order that they control authority.
It's part of the whole lie from the beginning.
The Gospels all say Jesus was brought before the Sanhedrin, the Jewish high court, to be tried for a capital offense. However, it was a known knowledge that the Sanhedrin ceased to have the power to try capital offenses after the year 30 CE. Even John agreed to this fact when he wrote the Jews said to Pilate, "it is not lawful for us to put any man to death" (John 18:31-32).
So why the lie? Because in making the
Sanhedrin the bad guys they displace blame, but also demonize the authority they want to supress and keep unpopular, so they don't HaShev (return).

The reinstitution of the Sanhedrin is seen as a harbinger for the rebuilding of the Temple and the coming of Messiah and they can't have that. They need to milk this cushiony authority they have for as long as they can before people revolt or someone knocks them off their hill.

 

[Penelope]

Word leaked out from whom?

 

[HaShev]

He made it known to Shimon Perez, but it was really not a secret the Vatican has been requesting it under the guise of protecting the holy sites.

 

[Blackrook]

HaShev, it is the height of delusion if you think they will rebuild the Temple, re-establish the priesthood, or restore the Sanhedrin to power. The Jews don't have authority from God to do any of that. They don't really even have authority to return to Israel, that was a political move but nothing in Scripture predicted it would happen, and even if the Temple was somehow rebuilt, no Messiah would come.

 

[waltky]

Pope falls to his knees...

Pope Francis misses step, falls down before Mass in Poland
Jul 28,`16 -- Pope Francis missed a step and fell to the ground Thursday as he was coming to an open-air altar to celebrate Mass at Poland's holiest shrine of Jasna Gora.

In a dramatic moment, the 79-year-old Francis, walking deep in thought in his long robe, did not notice a step down and fell to the ground before the altar. Priests around him rushed to help him up and straightened his robe.

Pope Francis is helped by Vatican Master of Ceremonies, Mons. Guido Marini as he stumbles on the altar as he celebrates a mass in Czestochowa, Poland, Thursday, July 28, 2016​

The Mass proceeded as planned and the pope delivered a long sermon before tens of thousands of faithful gathered at the foot of the Jasna Gora monastery in the southern city of Czestochowa. Asked if Francis had suffered any ill effects from the fall, Vatican spokesman Greg Burke said "the pope is fine."

On a couple of occasions in the past, Francis, wearing long robes at public ceremonies, has missed a step or even fallen down on stairs. Each time he has gotten up on his own or thanks to an aide lending a hand. Every time, as he did Thursday, Francis has carried on without missing a beat for the rest of the long ceremonies.

News from The Associated Press

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The world’s at war, but not a war of religions, Pope Francis says
Jul. 27, 2016 - The world is at war, but it is not a war of religions, Pope Francis said on Wednesday as he travelled to Poland on his first visit to Central and Eastern Europe in the shadow of the slaying of a priest in France.

The killing of an 85-year-old priest in a Normandy church on Tuesday added to security fears surrounding Francis’ five-day visit for the World Youth Day celebrations, which were already high due to a string of violent attacks in France and Germany. Polish officials say they have deployed tens of thousands of security officials to cover the event. Francis spoke to reporters on the papal plane en route from Rome to Poland. Asked about the slaying of the priest, Francis replied: “It’s war, we don’t have to be afraid to say this.” After greeting reporters on his papal plane he returned to the topic to clarify that when he speaks of war, he is speaking of “a war of interests, for money, resources, dominion of peoples.” “I am not speaking of a war of religions. Religions don’t want war. The others want war,” Francis said.

Upon arrival at Krakow airport Francis was greeted by Poland’s President Andrzej Duda, First Lady Agata Kornhauser-Duda and other state officials, and hundreds of faithful who had waited for hours to see him. Prime Minister Beata Szydlo knelt and kissed his papal ring. After a brief ceremony, Francis then travelled in an open car through the city, waving at cheering crowds as he headed to the Wawel Castle for the main welcoming ceremony. There, President Duda, a Catholic hailing from Krakow, said that Francis is a “support, a road sign” in life for young people. “The world today badly needs values, it needs faith and good, all of which your Holiness is bringing,” Mr. Duda said in the presence of hundreds of state and city officials gathered in the castle yard. “We are all waiting for your word.” Francis then delivered a speech urging Polish authorities “to overcome fear” and show compassion to migrants.

Pope Francis salutes faithful and pilgrims on his way to the royal Wawel Castle in Krakow, Poland, Wednesday, July 27, 2016.​

It was a message that seemed clearly targeted to leaders of a nation that is deeply Catholic, but which is strongly opposed to accepting migrants, with fears running deep that Muslim arrivals could endanger the nation’s security and Catholic traditions. Noting that many Poles have also emigrated from their country, Francis spoke of the need to facilitate their return of any hope to repatriate, and understand the reasons that caused them to leave. “Also needed is a spirit of readiness to welcome those fleeing from wars and hunger, and solidarity with those deprived of their fundamental rights, including the right to profess one’s faith in freedom and safety,” Francis told them.

Francis spoke of the need for international efforts to resolve the wars forcing so many people to leave their homelands. “This means doing everything possible to alleviate the suffering while tirelessly working with wisdom and constancy for justice and peace, bearing witness in practice to human and Christian values,” he said. In the evening Francis is to appear in the window of the residence of Krakow bishops, where he will be staying, and chat with some among the hundreds of thousands of pilgrims from around the world gathered for the World Youth Day celebrations that will run through Sunday. Just hours before Francis’ arrival for the major Catholic event, groups of cheerful young pilgrims were seen in the streets of Krakow.

Relics of St. Mary Magdalene came to the St. Casimir Church from France for the duration of World Youth Day and were displayed in a case by the altar. “Their presence helps us concentrate on our prayers and brings us closer to God,” said Nounella Blanchedent, 22, from the French Caribbean island of Guadeloupe. She was one of the volunteers helping with security and logistics at the packed church, where a Mass was being held in French for pilgrims from France, Belgium and other countries.

The world’s at war, but not a war of religions, Pope Francis says

 

[HaShev]

HaShev, it is the height of delusion if you think they will rebuild the Temple, re-establish the priesthood, or restore the Sanhedrin to power. The Jews don't have authority from God to do any of that. They don't really even have authority to return to Israel, that was a political move but nothing in Scripture predicted it would happen, and even if the Temple was somehow rebuilt, no Messiah would come.

1)you admited you and your church is the
anti-christ(anti the anointed)
2)you admited they don't want the fulfillment of the Mikdash which is neither fulfilled by Jesus or in his name.
3)you admited you don't want the HaShev (return-restore-place back-redeem), that you don't want the fulfillment of Moshiach because Jesus is a no show.
4) You admit you worship another God and that Jesus wasn't messiah nor is he HaShev (coming back).
5)Adnan Oktar and Sanhedrin rabbis on live TV program (December 1, 2009)
Turkey's Adnan Oktar met With Rabbis in 2009, but also Dec 2015 and recetly at Ramadan, discussing the same things as what was on my Sunday Sermons and about helping to build the Temple admiting The Imam Mahdi and Moshiach are one in the same and is helping to see that the Mikdash is built beside the Dome.
Where is the prophecy?
Remember the 3 layers: historically this was done with Persian Cyrus, now Turkish (also Persians)participation through the changed heart (battling the concious) to do the right thing is repeating history.
Who is changing their hearts and minds to do the messianic roles?
Know that Prince=one sacrificing for others becomes a prince of the people.
Dan 10 reveals the answer.
it was Michael "battling" this Persian King who was prince of the people (deemed that by Greeks liberated from Babylonian tyranny).
In Hebrew it says:
in Dan 10:20 where it says in regards to Michael:
*"Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee And now will
*Hashev Lacham Sar Parac"
(HaShev fights the prince of Persia).
This also reveals the one responsible for the original gathering of dispersed Jews and 2nd temple to be built because
1 Ezra 1:1 it was the Lord (king of hosts) who stirred up the spirit of Cyrus, king of Persia. Giving him the vision and anointing (Isaiah 45) to give the decree in 538, liberating the Jews who were captive in Babylonia and allowing them to return to their homeland. Cyrus battle was not physical it was spiritually in concious through the messenger Dan describes as Michael.
So this is merely repeating as I clearly stated they have a choice-be a modern day Cyrus or be like the enemy Babylonian Nebuchadnezar=Saddam.
You can't argue with that reasoning, and that is when switches go off in one's head/concious and it becomes obvious to them what they wish to follow in emulation.
Michael 2 for 2- Jesus 0.

 

[shimon]

It is humorous that always the pope or someone likes him stands in the way of Israel and people do not understand that in its simplest form that would make them Satan or satanic... Same goes for the Jesus they believe exsisited if he stands in the way of Israel and her regathering then he and all his followers are Satan or satanic...Always accusing, always looking to halt the progression always being the adversary... It is really pretty straightforward...

 

[HaShev]

Yeah I should have actually gave Jesus a Minus 1 for causing and wishing the Temple destruction=opposite and adversary Moshiach role.

 

[shimon]

I don't know why people don't see that or the fact that one of the characters he is loosely based on fled to Egypt while the Israelites fled from Egypt... There are just so many opposites it is not even funny..I guess it is as you always say group pride one can see it in the current politics where no matter how bad the candidates are they are still going to vote for the party they love no matter what the cost...

 

[HaShev]

One poster just responded with Matthew blaming Jerusalem for killing the prophets. *LOL*
The apostles were all killed by Rome for their revolt, but are to dead to recant Rome using their names to write a displaced blame.
But there is so much more underlining issue with their choice of propaganda, that we would take up more space then these forums give us to type out.

 

[Blackrook]

HaShev, simon, have either of you ever read the New Testament?

 

[Steven_R]

Yeah I should have actually gave Jesus a Minus 1 for causing and wishing the Temple destruction=opposite and adversary Moshiach role.

And here I thought it was the Roman Army that brought the Temple down in 70AD.

 

[HaShev]

Steven, Ok but Jesus being the image that Rome created to hide their authority behind and collect taxes (tithes) through is recorded as being pro destruction of the Temple not Messianic required constructive=adversary(sawtawn).
By doing this they displace or redirect the blame or distaste for the act by claiming their representative or god wished it done.
They did this with the Veiians with their temple of Juno, so the evidence in their pattern tactical method of subversion emerges.

 

[yiostheoy]

HaShev, it is the height of delusion if you think they will rebuild the Temple, re-establish the priesthood, or restore the Sanhedrin to power. The Jews don't have authority from God to do any of that. They don't really even have authority to return to Israel, that was a political move but nothing in Scripture predicted it would happen, and even if the Temple was somehow rebuilt, no Messiah would come.

1 - there is no central authority in Judaism since the time of the slaughter of Jerusalem by the Roman legions.

2 - the land was not for sale.

3 - how long have you been speaking on behalf of the Messiah (Meshiak in Hebrew)?

 

[yiostheoy]

Steven, Ok but Jesus being the image that Rome created to hide their authority behind and collect taxes (tithes) through is recorded as being pro destruction of the Temple not Messianic required constructive=adversary(sawtawn).
By doing this they displace or redirect the blame or distaste for the act by claiming their representative or god wished it done.
They did this with the Veiians with their temple of Juno, so the evidence in their pattern tactical method of subversion emerges.

That's not exactly the account that Eusebius gives us in his book "History Of The Church".

And since he was at the Council of Nicaea he should know.

Constantine was there also.

Constantine's vision of the "sun dog" cross and the voice that he heard from Heaven is what converted him, followED by victory in a famous battle in which he was outnumbered.

Had nothing to do with taxes.

 

[yiostheoy]

HaShev, simon, have either of you ever read the New Testament?

After you finish reading The New Testament then you also really need to read "The History Of The Church" by Eusebius too.

 

[yiostheoy]

Pope falls to his knees...

Pope Francis misses step, falls down before Mass in Poland
Jul 28,`16 -- Pope Francis missed a step and fell to the ground Thursday as he was coming to an open-air altar to celebrate Mass at Poland's holiest shrine of Jasna Gora.

In a dramatic moment, the 79-year-old Francis, walking deep in thought in his long robe, did not notice a step down and fell to the ground before the altar. Priests around him rushed to help him up and straightened his robe.

Pope Francis is helped by Vatican Master of Ceremonies, Mons. Guido Marini as he stumbles on the altar as he celebrates a mass in Czestochowa, Poland, Thursday, July 28, 2016​

The Mass proceeded as planned and the pope delivered a long sermon before tens of thousands of faithful gathered at the foot of the Jasna Gora monastery in the southern city of Czestochowa. Asked if Francis had suffered any ill effects from the fall, Vatican spokesman Greg Burke said "the pope is fine."

On a couple of occasions in the past, Francis, wearing long robes at public ceremonies, has missed a step or even fallen down on stairs. Each time he has gotten up on his own or thanks to an aide lending a hand. Every time, as he did Thursday, Francis has carried on without missing a beat for the rest of the long ceremonies.

News from The Associated Press

See also:

The world’s at war, but not a war of religions, Pope Francis says
Jul. 27, 2016 - The world is at war, but it is not a war of religions, Pope Francis said on Wednesday as he travelled to Poland on his first visit to Central and Eastern Europe in the shadow of the slaying of a priest in France.

The killing of an 85-year-old priest in a Normandy church on Tuesday added to security fears surrounding Francis’ five-day visit for the World Youth Day celebrations, which were already high due to a string of violent attacks in France and Germany. Polish officials say they have deployed tens of thousands of security officials to cover the event. Francis spoke to reporters on the papal plane en route from Rome to Poland. Asked about the slaying of the priest, Francis replied: “It’s war, we don’t have to be afraid to say this.” After greeting reporters on his papal plane he returned to the topic to clarify that when he speaks of war, he is speaking of “a war of interests, for money, resources, dominion of peoples.” “I am not speaking of a war of religions. Religions don’t want war. The others want war,” Francis said.

Upon arrival at Krakow airport Francis was greeted by Poland’s President Andrzej Duda, First Lady Agata Kornhauser-Duda and other state officials, and hundreds of faithful who had waited for hours to see him. Prime Minister Beata Szydlo knelt and kissed his papal ring. After a brief ceremony, Francis then travelled in an open car through the city, waving at cheering crowds as he headed to the Wawel Castle for the main welcoming ceremony. There, President Duda, a Catholic hailing from Krakow, said that Francis is a “support, a road sign” in life for young people. “The world today badly needs values, it needs faith and good, all of which your Holiness is bringing,” Mr. Duda said in the presence of hundreds of state and city officials gathered in the castle yard. “We are all waiting for your word.” Francis then delivered a speech urging Polish authorities “to overcome fear” and show compassion to migrants.

Pope Francis salutes faithful and pilgrims on his way to the royal Wawel Castle in Krakow, Poland, Wednesday, July 27, 2016.​

It was a message that seemed clearly targeted to leaders of a nation that is deeply Catholic, but which is strongly opposed to accepting migrants, with fears running deep that Muslim arrivals could endanger the nation’s security and Catholic traditions. Noting that many Poles have also emigrated from their country, Francis spoke of the need to facilitate their return of any hope to repatriate, and understand the reasons that caused them to leave. “Also needed is a spirit of readiness to welcome those fleeing from wars and hunger, and solidarity with those deprived of their fundamental rights, including the right to profess one’s faith in freedom and safety,” Francis told them.

Francis spoke of the need for international efforts to resolve the wars forcing so many people to leave their homelands. “This means doing everything possible to alleviate the suffering while tirelessly working with wisdom and constancy for justice and peace, bearing witness in practice to human and Christian values,” he said. In the evening Francis is to appear in the window of the residence of Krakow bishops, where he will be staying, and chat with some among the hundreds of thousands of pilgrims from around the world gathered for the World Youth Day celebrations that will run through Sunday. Just hours before Francis’ arrival for the major Catholic event, groups of cheerful young pilgrims were seen in the streets of Krakow.

Relics of St. Mary Magdalene came to the St. Casimir Church from France for the duration of World Youth Day and were displayed in a case by the altar. “Their presence helps us concentrate on our prayers and brings us closer to God,” said Nounella Blanchedent, 22, from the French Caribbean island of Guadeloupe. She was one of the volunteers helping with security and logistics at the packed church, where a Mass was being held in French for pilgrims from France, Belgium and other countries.

The world’s at war, but not a war of religions, Pope Francis says

The Pope is probably referring to Radical Islam as the enemy in war now.

But these pinprick attacks by jihadists although a nuisance are insignificant.

With 7 billion people on the planet a few here and there are not ever going to be missed.

Suggestion, stay away from movie theatres, Negro churches, gay nightclubs, crowded restaurants, or crowds partying in the evenings. Then you should be fine.

Get pizza to go instead.

 

[HaShev]

Steven, Ok but Jesus being the image that Rome created to hide their authority behind and collect taxes (tithes) through is recorded as being pro destruction of the Temple not Messianic required constructive=adversary(sawtawn).
By doing this they displace or redirect the blame or distaste for the act by claiming their representative or god wished it done.
They did this with the Veiians with their temple of Juno, so the evidence in their pattern tactical method of subversion emerges.

That's not exactly the account that Eusebius gives us in his book "History Of The Church".

And since he was at the Council of Nicaea he should know.

Constantine was there also.

Constantine's vision of the "sun dog" cross and the voice that he heard from Heaven is what converted him, followED by victory in a famous battle in which he was outnumbered.

Had nothing to do with taxes.

1) Eusebius was a known forger and great liar, most likely the one who placed Jesus out of sequence into the Josephus texts as earlier copies before Eusebius had no mention.
2)Constantines vision was a Luciferous visitation similar to Paul. They are teaching Luciferianism, the belief their god is the mystical light rays between the sun and earth. Nazarenes or Notzrim believed and taught this, which us why they'd be deemed Notzrim (off shoot cult).
John supposedly taught this and Jesus stealing his cult followers continued the luciferian precepts hence physical light teachings throughout the NT & is why Rome easilly adopted the cult into it's fold of mystery Babylon sun god religions especially Baal & Osiris worship.

 

[HaShev]

Sources: Mandeans a sect of Sabians said to be surviving followers of John continue these luciferous teachings similar to the NT physical light references.