The Persecution of Rudy Giuliani.

[rightwinger]

If Giuliani is subject to criminal prosecution it will be warranted, lawful, and Constitutional – Giuliani will have only himself to blame.

Rudy is a former prosecutor

He should know better

 

[bodecea]

Seeing this for what it really is.

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The “lie” he told was that evidence exists of fraud in the 2020 presidential election. You are not allowed to say that in America. You can be held in prison without trial for even thinking it.​

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A tenet of Western Civilization, expressed in the Magna Carta, affirmed at this nation’s founding, and embodied in the Sixth and Seventh Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, is that litigants are entitled to zealous advocacy before legal tribunals.​

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John Adams represented British soldiers in their trial for gunning down patriots during the Boston Massacre. His courageous act enhanced his standing among patriots.​

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Giuliani has been suspended from the practice of law for his representation of Donald Trump. His suspension did not arise from a process in which he had a right to present evidence and mount a defense. It was an interim suspension, done without a hearing. ​

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As the New York court ruling on the matter noted: “Interim suspension is a serious remedy, available only in situations where it is immediately necessary to protect the public from the respondent’s violation of the Rules.” ​

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In layman’s terms, that means interim suspension is a remedy reserved for the lawyer who misses trial, drunk at a bar, while hiding exonerating evidence in his briefcase. That person, and not America’s Mayor, presents a danger to his clients.​

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The court described Giuliani’s offenses as, “statements [he] made following the 2020 election at press conferences, state legislative hearings, radio broadcasts (as both a guest and host), podcasts, television appearances and one court appearance.”​

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Here, context is important. Pennsylvania lawyers Trump had hired before the election withdrew on the eve of the hearing, the court denied a continuance, and Giuliani was inserted into the fray at the last minute.​

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Even if he made slight errors while getting up to speed in the very complex case, can statements made by a lawyer challenging an election really grounds for disbarment?​

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In Conley v. Gibson, 355 US 41 (1957), the Supreme Court “reject[ed] the approach that pleading is a game of skill in which one misstep by counsel may be decisive….”​

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Conley is not exactly on point but is certainly analogous. It recognizes that initial pleadings in a civil case are meant to be refined in discovery and pretrial procedure, and lawyers should not be held to early allegations.​

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By way of comparison, in 2000 prominent New York attorney David Boies represented the Democratic Party’s presidential candidate, Al Gore, in his election challenge to George Bush’s victory.​

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The premise of the challenge was that votes had been improperly counted in certain Florida precincts and that Gore actually won the election.​

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The Persecution of Rudy Giuliani. - The National Pulse

Rudy Giuliani, former mob-busting US Attorney, ex-mayor of New York, and one-time presidential aspirant, was suspended from the practice of law for “lying” to a Pennsylvania court. The “lie” he told was that evidence exists of fraud in the 2020 presidential election. You are not allowed to say...

thenationalpulse.com

The PROSECUTION of Rudy Guiliani the crook.

 

[rightwinger]

Seeing this for what it really is.

​

The “lie” he told was that evidence exists of fraud in the 2020 presidential election. You are not allowed to say that in America. You can be held in prison without trial for even thinking it.​

​

A tenet of Western Civilization, expressed in the Magna Carta, affirmed at this nation’s founding, and embodied in the Sixth and Seventh Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, is that litigants are entitled to zealous advocacy before legal tribunals.​

​

John Adams represented British soldiers in their trial for gunning down patriots during the Boston Massacre. His courageous act enhanced his standing among patriots.​

​

Giuliani has been suspended from the practice of law for his representation of Donald Trump. His suspension did not arise from a process in which he had a right to present evidence and mount a defense. It was an interim suspension, done without a hearing. ​

​

As the New York court ruling on the matter noted: “Interim suspension is a serious remedy, available only in situations where it is immediately necessary to protect the public from the respondent’s violation of the Rules.” ​

​

In layman’s terms, that means interim suspension is a remedy reserved for the lawyer who misses trial, drunk at a bar, while hiding exonerating evidence in his briefcase. That person, and not America’s Mayor, presents a danger to his clients.​

​

The court described Giuliani’s offenses as, “statements [he] made following the 2020 election at press conferences, state legislative hearings, radio broadcasts (as both a guest and host), podcasts, television appearances and one court appearance.”​

​

Here, context is important. Pennsylvania lawyers Trump had hired before the election withdrew on the eve of the hearing, the court denied a continuance, and Giuliani was inserted into the fray at the last minute.​

​

Even if he made slight errors while getting up to speed in the very complex case, can statements made by a lawyer challenging an election really grounds for disbarment?​

​

In Conley v. Gibson, 355 US 41 (1957), the Supreme Court “reject[ed] the approach that pleading is a game of skill in which one misstep by counsel may be decisive….”​

​

Conley is not exactly on point but is certainly analogous. It recognizes that initial pleadings in a civil case are meant to be refined in discovery and pretrial procedure, and lawyers should not be held to early allegations.​

​

By way of comparison, in 2000 prominent New York attorney David Boies represented the Democratic Party’s presidential candidate, Al Gore, in his election challenge to George Bush’s victory.​

​

The premise of the challenge was that votes had been improperly counted in certain Florida precincts and that Gore actually won the election.​

​

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The Persecution of Rudy Giuliani. - The National Pulse

Rudy Giuliani, former mob-busting US Attorney, ex-mayor of New York, and one-time presidential aspirant, was suspended from the practice of law for “lying” to a Pennsylvania court. The “lie” he told was that evidence exists of fraud in the 2020 presidential election. You are not allowed to say...

thenationalpulse.com

The PROSECUTION of Rudy Guiliani the crook.

As a Prosecutor, Rudy never would have tolerated the shit he pulled

 

[toobfreak]

Rudy (like his mentor) made all of his own issues.

How so? You mean whomever taught Rudy law? What the hell are you even talking about Flapjack and how the fuck would YOU know? (you don't)

And he was hoping that abject loyalty to said mentor would get him off the hook

More bumass anal speculation on your part, Raptapjack?

Sad ending for Rudy..but, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Rudy's far from over, JackOfNoGarage, but you're right, Rudy couldn't be a nicer guy. He'll get through this fine and just remember where you heard it.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Rudy (like his mentor) made all of his own issues.

How so? You mean whomever taught Rudy law? What the hell are you even talking about Flapjack and how the fuck would YOU know? (you don't)

Well, whoever taught Rudy needs to have their law license suspended too No self respecting lawyer who wants to maintain a professional reputation
sells out for a charlatan...but we are talking about Rudy here. BTW, has anyone seen Turkey Neck lately? (Kraken Lady).

And he was hoping that abject loyalty to said mentor would get him off the hook

More bumass anal speculation on your part, Raptapjack?

Whew, you're getting a bit stale here. How many Trump associates went to jail for him? How many of them have come to bad endings because of their association with him?

Sad ending for Rudy..but, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Rudy's far from over, JackOfNoGarage, but you're right, Rudy couldn't be a nicer guy. He'll get through this fine and just remember where you heard it.

Rudy's even more done than Trump is. Trump may avoid jail. He might even avoid heavy fines but I doubt that. Rudy will avoid neither.
What a way to go from America's Mayor on 9/11/2001 to this. Oh well, he can ask his old bud Bernard Kerik for advice.

 

[toobfreak]

Rudy (like his mentor) made all of his own issues.

How so? You mean whomever taught Rudy law? What the hell are you even talking about Flapjack and how the fuck would YOU know? (you don't)

Well, whoever taught Rudy needs to have their law license suspended too

More stupid shit talk, Jack? I guess that should include whomever taught law to Bill and Hillary, too.

And he was hoping that abject loyalty to said mentor would get him off the hook

More bumass anal speculation on your part, Raptapjack?

Whew, you're getting a bit stale here.

Jack, you are about as fresh as a rotting dead carcass along the road a year ago. Ever notice no one here agrees with or even likes you?

Sad ending for Rudy..but, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Rudy's far from over, JackOfNoGarage, but you're right, Rudy couldn't be a nicer guy. He'll get through this fine and just remember where you heard it.

Rudy's even more done than Trump is.

I give high survivabilityy marks to both of them. You, not so much.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Rudy (like his mentor) made all of his own issues.

How so? You mean whomever taught Rudy law? What the hell are you even talking about Flapjack and how the fuck would YOU know? (you don't)

Well, whoever taught Rudy needs to have their law license suspended too

More stupid shit talk, Jack? I guess that should include whomever taught law to Bill and Hillary, too.

Clintons haven't been relevant for years. Time to move on.

And he was hoping that abject loyalty to said mentor would get him off the hook

More bumass anal speculation on your part, Raptapjack?

Whew, you're getting a bit stale here.

Jack, you are about as fresh as a rotting dead carcass along the road a year ago. Ever notice no one here agrees with or even likes you?

Anything of value here? Or just more whining and bitching.

Sad ending for Rudy..but, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Rudy's far from over, JackOfNoGarage, but you're right, Rudy couldn't be a nicer guy. He'll get through this fine and just remember where you heard it.

Rudy's even more done than Trump is.

I give high survivabilityy marks to both of them. You, not so much.

I'll take that bet. Rudy's probably headed to the pokey. Trump won't but he'll be so hounded by legal issues he won't have time to run in 2024.

 

[toobfreak]

Clintons haven't been relevant for years. Time to move on.

No answer, in other words. Clintons are always relevant, Hillary can hardly keep her fat mouth out of the news for a week.

 

[rightwinger]

Rudy's even more done than Trump is. Trump may avoid jail. He might even avoid heavy fines but I doubt that. Rudy will avoid neither.

Trump has plausible deniability.
I didn’t know, wasn’t me, I never even heard of Rudy

To top it off, he is semi literate and doesn’t write. There is nothing in writing.

Rudy did the dirty work and will pay the price

 

[dudmuck]

How so? You mean whomever taught Rudy law? What the hell are you even talking about Flapjack and how the fuck would YOU know? (you don't)


More bumass anal speculation on your part, Raptapjack?


Rudy's far from over, JackOfNoGarage, but you're right, Rudy couldn't be a nicer guy. He'll get through this fine and just remember where you heard it.