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The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

Who are the indiginous people(s) of the Palestine region?


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surada

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The land of Israel belongs to the Children of Israel. The non Christian Palestinians should have been deported after Israel's victory in the 1967 Six Day War.

On the word of Abraham who was likely a fictional character.
 

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Arabs existed long before Islam. Is that what's hanging you up?
You always come up with false similarities.

Akkadians were not Arabs. Too many times told. But you do not care. Coming from a semi Peninsula does not make all who live there the same people.

What was Zipporah's Arab name?

On the words of all people until Israel was legally re-created, rebuilt, reconstructed, and then Christians and Muslims decided that the Land of Israel could NOT ever ......belong to the Jews again. AGAIN.


You continue to have nothing. Continue to want to prove what cannot be proven. Palestinians are Arabs whose indigenous homeland is the Arabian Peninsula and not the land which brought the world , unfortunately, Christianity and Islam.
 

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You always come up with false similarities.

Akkadians were not Arabs. Too many times told. But you do not care. Coming from a semi Peninsula does not make all who live there the same people.

What was Zipporah's Arab name?

On the words of all people until Israel was legally re-created, rebuilt, reconstructed, and then Christians and Muslims decided that the Land of Israel could NOT ever ......belong to the Jews again. AGAIN.


You continue to have nothing. Continue to want to prove what cannot be proven. Palestinians are Arabs whose indigenous homeland is the Arabian Peninsula and not the land which brought the world , unfortunately, Christianity and Islam.

Zipporah is an Arab name. The Akkadians migrated from the Arabian peninsula.

Zipporah was a Midianite.

 
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Zipporah is an Arab name. The Akkadians migrated from the Arabian peninsula.

Zipporah was a Midianite.

You are reading too many Arabian Nights stories:

Zipporah, a Hebrew name, appears in the Christian Old Testament and Jewish Bible as the wife of Moses. It's a variation of the names Zippora and Tzipporah and means "bird," so it's perfect for a little girl with a free spirit.
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Zipporah, or Tzipora (/ˈzɪpərə, zɪˈpɔːrə/; Hebrew: צִפּוֹרָה, Ṣīppōrā, "bird"),[a]is mentioned in the Book of Exodus as the wife of Moses, and the daughter of Reuel/Jethro, the priest and prince of Midian.[2]

She is the mother of Moses' two sons: Eliezer, and Gershom.

In the Book of Chronicles, two of her grandsons are mentioned: Shebuel, son of Gershom; and Rehabiah, son of Eliezer (1 Chronicles 23:16–17).

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Are the Midianites Arabs now, too?
 
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You are reading too many Arabian Nights stories:

Zipporah, a Hebrew name, appears in the Christian Old Testament and Jewish Bible as the wife of Moses. It's a variation of the names Zippora and Tzipporah and means "bird," so it's perfect for a little girl with a free spirit.
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Zipporah, or Tzipora (/ˈzɪpərə, zɪˈpɔːrə/; Hebrew: צִפּוֹרָה, Ṣīppōrā, "bird"),[a]is mentioned in the Book of Exodus as the wife of Moses, and the daughter of Reuel/Jethro, the priest and prince of Midian.[2]

She is the mother of Moses' two sons: Eliezer, and Gershom.

In the Book of Chronicles, two of her grandsons are mentioned: Shebuel, son of Gershom; and Rehabiah, son of Eliezer (1 Chronicles 23:16–17).

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Are the Midians Arabs now, too?

The Midianites were Arabs thru Ishmael.

 

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The Midianites were Arabs thru Ishmael.

Ishmael's mother was Egyptian and he married an Egyptian.

Deal with it.

Arabs suddenly discovered a relation to Jews 2400 years after the fact?

No. They appropriated everything from Judaism, just as Christianity did, in order to he the 3rd and "final" religion "chosen" by the god they decided to follow.

How slow are the people from the Arabian Peninsula that it takes them 2400 years, and Christians from Europe converting people in Arabia to "find" a relation to Judaism?
 
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Zipporah is an Arab name. The Akkadians migrated from the Arabian peninsula.

Zipporah was a Midianite.

Tzippora means Bird in Hebrew, you nitwit.
 

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So have almost everyone else living there.

Virtually none of today's Israelis have any ancestors from the Holy Land.
Jews are genetically linked and linked to the Middle East: Published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, the primary journal of the American Society of Human Genetics, the leading society for genetics in the world.

https://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(10)00246-6.pdf

“This study demonstrates that the studied Jewish populations represent a series of geographical isolates or clusters with genetic threads that weave them together. Over the past 3000 years, both the flow of genes and the flow of religious and cultural ideas have contributed to Jewishness.”
 

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Nope the Arabs have been around since the Akkadian Empire. Long before Judaism. If you take Genesis and Exodus literally, you'd know Abraham had six sons by his Arab wife Keturah. You'd also know Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah .
Um, no. Earliest Arab tribes date to around 500 CE, according to Arab historians. Arab self-identity did not form until the Islamic period. Middle Ages, not ancient history. Jewish self-identity and Jews identified by other people as Jews date back 1,500+ years earlier.

Sennacherib Prism, 7th century BCE: “King Hezekiah The Jew”

ANE TODAY - 201808 - Why Did Sennacherib Create Two Accounts of His Siege of Lachish? - American Society of Overseas Research (ASOR)
 

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For all practical purposes, the people who had lived in "Palestine" (never an actual country) in, say, 1947, would reasonably be considered "indigenous," regardless of their ethnic/racial background. The unfortunate fact is that most of the Arab-indigenous people fled those lands in or around 1947, and now fit into the bizarre category of "Palestinian refugees," even though they are mostly several generations removed from those who initially fled. And the flight was entirely voluntary; the Jewish State did not expel them, they just left.

The more important question is, so what? What rights should indigenous people have that are superior to the rights of those who came later and are now citizens of Israel? The land of Palestine before 1947 was a part of the Ottoman Empire, was it not? And the Ottoman Empire no longer exists. I see no legitimate rights attached to indigenous status. If you are in that category, I suggest you take it up with Turkey.
 

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Nope the Arabs have been around since the Akkadian Empire. Long before Judaism. If you take Genesis and Exodus literally, you'd know Abraham had six sons by his Arab wife Keturah. You'd also know Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah .
If Abraham had an Arab family, that would be a big deal recorded in Arabian records including Arabs’ Quran which mentions Abraham: But, no.
 
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For all practical purposes, the people who had lived in "Palestine" (never an actual country) in, say, 1947, would reasonably be considered "indigenous," regardless of their ethnic/racial background. The unfortunate fact is that most of the Arab-indigenous people fled those lands in or around 1947, and now fit into the bizarre category of "Palestinian refugees," even though they are mostly several generations removed from those who initially fled. And the flight was entirely voluntary; the Jewish State did not expel them, they just left.

The more important question is, so what? What rights should indigenous people have that are superior to the rights of those who came later and are now citizens of Israel? The land of Palestine before 1947 was a part of the Ottoman Empire, was it not? And the Ottoman Empire no longer exists. I see no legitimate rights attached to indigenous status. If you are in that category, I suggest you take it up with Turkey.
Arafat was born and educated in Egypt.
 

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For all practical purposes, the people who had lived in "Palestine" (never an actual country) in, say, 1947, would reasonably be considered "indigenous," regardless of their ethnic/racial background. The unfortunate fact is that most of the Arab-indigenous people fled those lands in or around 1947, and now fit into the bizarre category of "Palestinian refugees," even though they are mostly several generations removed from those who initially fled. And the flight was entirely voluntary; the Jewish State did not expel them, they just left.

The more important question is, so what? What rights should indigenous people have that are superior to the rights of those who came later and are now citizens of Israel? The land of Palestine before 1947 was a part of the Ottoman Empire, was it not? And the Ottoman Empire no longer exists. I see no legitimate rights attached to indigenous status. If you are in that category, I suggest you take it up with Turkey.
Palestinians are NOT indigenous of the Land of Israel/Palestine.

Your first part is totally wrong, and belongs on the other thread about the creation of Israel.

Polish people living in Germany are not indigenous of Germany, but of Poland.


Arabs/Palestinians living in the Land of Israel are indigenous of the Arabian Peninsula, and not from the Land of Israel, or any other part outside of that Peninsula.

Do not confuse being indigenous with being born on any part of the world and living there .
 

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If Abraham had an Arab family, that would be a big deal recorded in Arabian records including Arabs’ Quran which mentions Abraham: But, no.
There is no such thing as an Arab Quran. The Quran is Muslim, not Arab. Egyptian Coptic Christians are Arab and not Muslim.
 

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