The New Normal More Likely The Antibodies Tests--Even Now!

[mascale]

So maybe you have already had the Covid-19 virus, cured 14 days ago: Without even noticing? Maybe you were asymptomatic. Now who are you? No longer a part of the problem, but a part of the solution, Mostly Liberals and Socialists understand that concept. Conservatives will gather in prayer Palm Sunday, and Easter Sunday: To cough and spit and sneeze amongst one another, and pass the cup of the Jesus Booze, including among the children(?). Very First Communions happen(?).

But now there are tests for the cured: Anti-bodies tests! There is no said cure, but there is a said, now, alternative.

How Antibody Testing Can Help Us Fight COVID-19

Antibody tests could potentially identify those with immunity to the virus. This would enable healthcare workers, first responders, and other essential workers who are no longer at risk to return to work sooner.

www.healthline.com

Los Angeles County 4/4, counts over 5000 cases confirmed. Only 1000 are age 65 or older. 117 are dead. County population is 11.2 mil. Even Jews live there, if Passover still exists, even(?)!

The White House seems to go with the Religious Version of the holidays, predicting many deaths in the next two weeks(?)!

In Liberal-World, more likely the Asymptomatic have a special place, in USA, Worldwide--Thanks to China!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(This here is definitely not Foreign Aid: Deut 23: 19-20.)

 

[OldLady]

So maybe you have already had the Covid-19 virus, cured 14 days ago: Without even noticing? Maybe you were asymptomatic. Now who are you? No longer a part of the problem, but a part of the solution, Mostly Liberals and Socialists understand that concept. Conservatives will gather in prayer Palm Sunday, and Easter Sunday: To cough and spit and sneeze amongst one another, and pass the cup of the Jesus Booze, including among the children(?). Very First Communions happen(?).

But now there are tests for the cured: Anti-bodies tests! There is no said cure, but there is a said, now, alternative.

How Antibody Testing Can Help Us Fight COVID-19

Antibody tests could potentially identify those with immunity to the virus. This would enable healthcare workers, first responders, and other essential workers who are no longer at risk to return to work sooner.

www.healthline.com

Los Angeles County 4/4, counts over 5000 cases confirmed. Only 1000 are age 65 or older. 117 are dead. County population is 11.2 mil. Even Jews live there, if Passover still exists, even(?)!

The White House seems to go with the Religious Version of the holidays, predicting many deaths in the next two weeks(?)!

In Liberal-World, more likely the Asymptomatic have a special place, in USA, Worldwide--Thanks to China!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(This here is definitely not Foreign Aid: Deut 23: 19-20.)

I half heard on the radio that they are thinking of giving sick people the plasma of people who are now immune, hoping it will help the sick people fight off the Virus.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

 

[MisterBeale]

That's terrific!

I want that test before they try to force me to take any vaccine.

IOW, it's like most regular folks have been telling you, and like Dr. Fauci had told you in his paper a month ago, "This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968)"

People Without Symptoms May Be Driving the Spread of the Novel Coronavirus

Experts Think People Without Symptoms May Be Driving the Spread of Coronavirus

Still, there’s a lot we don’t know yet.

www.prevention.com

“We discovered that shedding of potentially infectious virus may occur in persons who have no fever and no signs or only minor signs of infection,” the report’s authors concluded.

This definitely implies that people can spread COVID-19 before they have symptoms, which is unusual. “We’ve never seen that with a coronavirus before,” Dr. Adalja says.

In a study posted to medRxiv, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, researchers concluded that 48% of infections studied in Singapore were likely transmitted by people who didn’t feel sick or who were not yet diagnosed with an infection. In China’s Tianjin province, they believe 62% of the cases analyzed resulted from people who were carrying the virus without obvious symptoms.. . . "

 

[bripat9643]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

 

[MisterBeale]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

. . . for something as ultimately common as this?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

This isn't the flu...sigh...
2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

. . . for something as ultimately common as this?

You wanna eat your own Pooh, that's your business.
As far as the virus is concerned, welcome to your new normal.

 

[bripat9643]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

This isn't the flu...sigh...
2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

Yes, you have pointed that out. Now explains why it matters.

 

[Dekster]

I know someone who had the test. They waited until their last day of quarantine to tell them they were negative.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

This isn't the flu...sigh...
2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

Yes, you have pointed that out. Now explains why it matters.

Uh..because it's more infectious and more lethal than the flu. Thought that would have been the obvious point.
Two weeks ago, they were saying this virus was spread by water droplets forcibly sneezed or coughed and then inhaled.
Now they're saying it can be spread by just breathing and talking.

A flu virus usually needs a weakened host to grow and flourish. Doesn't seem this virus needs that to take hold. But in weakened hosts, this virus is usually fatal.

 

[MisterBeale]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

This isn't the flu...sigh...
2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

That article never even mentioned why herd immunity cannot be achieved by most folks building a natural immunity to Covid-19.

This is the problem with most folks. They read something, and have absolutely no ability for critical thought.

Here, this will be more helpful for you.



Perspectives on the Pandemic Episode 2: In this explosive second edition of Perspectives on the Pandemic, Professor Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus. Further, he offers data to show that China and South Korea had already reached their peak number of cases when they instituted their containment measures. In other words, nature had already achieved, or nearly achieved, herd immunity. Watch episode 1 here: https://youtu.be/d6MZy-2fcBw

 

[bripat9643]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

This isn't the flu...sigh...
2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

Yes, you have pointed that out. Now explains why it matters.

Uh..because it's more infectious and more lethal than the flu. Thought that would have been the obvious point.
Two weeks ago, they were saying this virus was spread by water droplets forcibly sneezed or coughed and then inhaled.
Now they're saying it can be spread by just breathing and talking.

A flu virus usually needs a weakened host to grow and flourish. Doesn't seem this virus needs that to take hold. But in weakened hosts, this virus is usually fatal.

Is it? How infectious is it? Show us the data.

As for how lethal it is, that subject has been debated for weeks in this forum. It has definitely not been established that it is substantially more lethal than the flu.

 

[bripat9643]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

This isn't the flu...sigh...
2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

Well one, because it's not the flu.

No duh?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

This isn't the flu...sigh...
2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

That article never even mentioned why herd immunity cannot be achieved by most folks building a natural immunity to Covid-19.

This is the problem with most folks. They read something, and have absolutely no ability for critical thought.

Here, this will be more helpful for you.



Perspectives on the Pandemic Episode 2: In this explosive second edition of Perspectives on the Pandemic, Professor Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus. Further, he offers data to show that China and South Korea had already reached their peak number of cases when they instituted their containment measures. In other words, nature had already achieved, or nearly achieved, herd immunity. Watch episode 1 here: https://youtu.be/d6MZy-2fcBw

Oh Lord...you run to a conspiracy theorist who was run out of his university because he was a kook???...Ugh..

Honestly, stop reading this gobbeldy-gook, go to the CDC website and research how they deal with pandemics.
Seriously.

 

[MisterBeale]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

This isn't the flu...sigh...
2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

Yes, you have pointed that out. Now explains why it matters.

Uh..because it's more infectious and more lethal than the flu. Thought that would have been the obvious point.
Two weeks ago, they were saying this virus was spread by water droplets forcibly sneezed or coughed and then inhaled.
Now they're saying it can be spread by just breathing and talking.

A flu virus usually needs a weakened host to grow and flourish. Doesn't seem this virus needs that to take hold. But in weakened hosts, this virus is usually fatal.

Is it? How infectious is it? Show us the data.

As for how lethal it is, that subject has been debated for weeks in this forum. It has definitely not been established that it is substantially more lethal than the flu.

Agreed. I just POSTED IN POST #4 according to the guy in charge it is no more lethal than the flues of 1957 and 1968. Wow, these folks just ignore shit that disagree with their world view. WTH?

"This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968)"

 

[MisterBeale]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

This isn't the flu...sigh...
2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

That article never even mentioned why herd immunity cannot be achieved by most folks building a natural immunity to Covid-19.

This is the problem with most folks. They read something, and have absolutely no ability for critical thought.

Here, this will be more helpful for you.



Perspectives on the Pandemic Episode 2: In this explosive second edition of Perspectives on the Pandemic, Professor Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus. Further, he offers data to show that China and South Korea had already reached their peak number of cases when they instituted their containment measures. In other words, nature had already achieved, or nearly achieved, herd immunity. Watch episode 1 here: https://youtu.be/d6MZy-2fcBw

Oh Lord...you run to a conspiracy theorist who was run out of his university because he was a kook???...Ugh..

Honestly, stop reading this gobbeldy-gook, go to the CDC website and research how they deal with pandemics.
Seriously.

I thought you folks were suspicious of the corportacracy? What the hell? Now you applaud corruption? What gives?

CDC "disclaimers" hide financial conflicts of interest - Lown Institute

Despite the claim that "CDC does not accept commercial support," this agency does indeed have financial ties to industry organizations. A petition from watchdog groups is demanding transparency.

lowninstitute.org

The CDC has an agenda buddy. Those are political appointees. Don't you know anything?

CDC Director Resigns Because Of 'Complex' Financial Entanglements

Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald had "complex financial interests," according to a statement from the Department of Health and Human Services. News reports say she bought tobacco stock while CDC director.

www.npr.org

Cronyism and Conflicts of Interest in Trump’s Coronavirus Task Force

Only four members of Trump’s coronavirus task force have any scientific or medical training. Some of them, however, have pharmaceutical interests.

theintercept.com

I could give you dozens more. . .

. . . but it is apparent? You are SO out of your league when you are going up against me when debating politics, policy and government.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

This isn't the flu...sigh...
2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

That article never even mentioned why herd immunity cannot be achieved by most folks building a natural immunity to Covid-19.

This is the problem with most folks. They read something, and have absolutely no ability for critical thought.

Here, this will be more helpful for you.



Perspectives on the Pandemic Episode 2: In this explosive second edition of Perspectives on the Pandemic, Professor Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus. Further, he offers data to show that China and South Korea had already reached their peak number of cases when they instituted their containment measures. In other words, nature had already achieved, or nearly achieved, herd immunity. Watch episode 1 here: https://youtu.be/d6MZy-2fcBw

Oh Lord...you run to a conspiracy theorist who was run out of his university because he was a kook???...Ugh..

Honestly, stop reading this gobbeldy-gook, go to the CDC website and research how they deal with pandemics.
Seriously.

I thought you folks were suspicious of the corportacracy? What the hell? Now you applaud corruption? What gives?

CDC "disclaimers" hide financial conflicts of interest - Lown Institute

Despite the claim that "CDC does not accept commercial support," this agency does indeed have financial ties to industry organizations. A petition from watchdog groups is demanding transparency.

lowninstitute.org

The CDC has an agenda buddy. Those are political appointees. Don't you know anything?

CDC Director Resigns Because Of 'Complex' Financial Entanglements

Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald had "complex financial interests," according to a statement from the Department of Health and Human Services. News reports say she bought tobacco stock while CDC director.

www.npr.org

Cronyism and Conflicts of Interest in Trump’s Coronavirus Task Force

Only four members of Trump’s coronavirus task force have any scientific or medical training. Some of them, however, have pharmaceutical interests.

theintercept.com

I could give you dozens more. . .

. . . but it is apparent? You are SO out of your league when you are going up against me when debating politics, policy and government.

Two less-than-legitimate articles and one two year old article.
So, in your admittedly puffed up opinion of your debating skills, let's run back to the subject at hand.
This person who you are putting forth as an expert thinks that social distancing and locking down are the worst way to deal with the virus...when China...and South Korea did exactly that...and their cases have dropped, and life in those countries has a chance of getting back to normal in the next few weeks.

Do you think I'm going to waste my time listening to someone who wouldn't know their ass from their elbow?

 

[linux07]

 

[OldLady]

Well, let's face a bit of reality here. If you think we're just going back to business as usual, think again. My guess is that you'll have to take a test before you can go back to work (assuming we've got our testing act together by then) and maybe you might even have to take a second test to prove you've been virus free for 14 days. There will not only need to be an antibody test to find out who is immune, but enough tests so that they can find out who has been either exposed to the virus or turned out to get the virus and was asymptomatic. Then they might have to determine if those immune or asymptomatic can pass on the virus to other people.

My point is that this is a long track recovery. It won't be solved in the span of days or weeks. It will be months, maybe even years. Lots of data to be gathered and analyzed.

Yeah, just like we did after the Swine flu . . . . . . . . . . er, no.

This isn't the flu...sigh...
2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

Yes, you have pointed that out. Now explains why it matters.

Uh..because it's more infectious and more lethal than the flu. Thought that would have been the obvious point.
Two weeks ago, they were saying this virus was spread by water droplets forcibly sneezed or coughed and then inhaled.
Now they're saying it can be spread by just breathing and talking.

A flu virus usually needs a weakened host to grow and flourish. Doesn't seem this virus needs that to take hold. But in weakened hosts, this virus is usually fatal.

Is it? How infectious is it? Show us the data.

As for how lethal it is, that subject has been debated for weeks in this forum. It has definitely not been established that it is substantially more lethal than the flu.

Then why are NYC hospitals overrun? I've never heard of states screaming for respirators like this before. Did the hospitals and the equipment fall dismally short during the Swine Flu? I don't remember it.