The "Here in this world" criteria

[rtwngAvngr]

Bully likes to talk about how moral systems should be judged according to their effects "here, in this world".

OK.
The globalization movement has raised standards of living throughout the world, providing more goods for more people than any other system. Socialism and income redistribution stop societies from progressing as the reward for innovation in any realm is removed. Planned economies have no history of working. They fail.

Also check out this site in case your thinking communism is anything other than evil.
http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/history_communism.php

from the article
"History of Communism

Documenting Communism's Crimes Against Humanity
In October 1917, the Bolshevik Revolution -- the murderous Russian coup-d'etat -- birthed the deadliest mass killing force ever visited upon the human race: Communism. In less than 100 years, Communism has claimed more than 100 million lives. Today, it continues to enslave one-fifth of the world's people.

And yet the United States, Communism's greatest challenger and a symbol of freedom to the world, has no memorial to commemorate these victims. We have no enduring reminder of the murderous legacy of totalitarianism. We have no place to teach current and future generations why America fought to end what President Kennedy called the "long twilight struggle" against Communist oppression.


Never Forget
This must change. A free people cannot afford to forget the evils of Communism. We cannot allow the atrocities of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro to fade into the background of history. We must not forget the trail of blood and tears this utopian deception always leaves behind:

* When the Bolsheviks murdered their way into power...
* When Lenin destroyed hundreds of thousands of Cossacks...
* When the Kremlin starved more than six million in Ukraine...
* When Mao murdered tens of millions of Chinese peasants during his "land reforms"...
* When Ho Chi Minh sent 850,000 Vietnamese to their graves in "education camps"...
* When Castro buried dissenters in the infamous Isle of Pines...
* When the student voices of freedom were silenced at Tiananmen Square...

A Moral Blind Spot
It is a great moral failing for a free society to misunderstand the extent of Communism's atrocities. While the horrors of Nazism are well known, who knows that the Soviet Union murdered 20 million people? Who knows that China's dictators have slaughtered an estimated 60 million? Who knows that the Communist holocaust has exacted a death toll surpassing that of all of the wars of the 20th century combined?

Just as we must grasp Communism's brutality, we must understand the true cause of this era's most significant event: the fall of the Soviet Union. As Vaclav Havel said, "The fall of the Communist empire is an event on the same scale of historical importance as the fall of the Roman Empire." The West's triumph over the "evil empire" was no accident of history. It was the result of a calculated strategy by a grand alliance of political, military, religious, business and labor leaders. These leaders deserve credit for the victory over Communism many thought impossible.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

The communists didn't believe in god either, just like bully.

 

[dilloduck]

At least the commies protected thier people by getting rid of the "religious" people who say we're all going hell unless we think like they do. I'm sure this wasnt the intention but a pleasant result of the great social experiment of thiers.

 

[no1tovote4]

At least the commies protected thier people by getting rid of the "religious" people who say we're all going hell unless we think like they do. I'm sure this wasnt the intention but a pleasant result of the great social experiment of thiers.

Actually this succeeded only, as in almost all cases of persecution, to actually promote religion in the area. Russian Orthodoxy has a definitive lead over other religion, but most people in Russia are not atheist.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by dilloduck
At least the commies protected thier people by getting rid of the "religious" people who say we're all going hell unless we think like they do. I'm sure this wasnt the intention but a pleasant result of the great social experiment of thiers.

In all fairness dillo, all religious people are not like that, just newguy.

 

[Zhukov]

Originally posted by dilloduck
At least the commies protected thier people by getting rid of the "religious" people who say we're all going hell unless we think like they do. I'm sure this wasnt the intention but a pleasant result of the great social experiment of thiers.

Sure, because it's much better to have people in charge who will shoot you for treason for showing up late to work too often than to have people telling you you're going to hell.