The Gun Violence Archive lies about mass public shootings in the U.S.

[JoeB131]

The facts clearly refute your screeching tirade. The wannabe Emirs / Sultans of your leftist Gulags did observable damage with their school closings, vaccine mandates and totalitarian edicts that closed churches but kept liquor stores open.

I couldn't help but notice you offered nothing but "...because I say so" to refute the data given to you.

Naw, I don't waste time on links you guy won't read...

Did some of the response go too far? Meh, maybe. It's easy to second guess when the crisis is over.

It's not just 401Ks; ALL PENSION PLANS are invested in the market so everyone who has a pension OR a 401K is "investor class" as you put it.

Well, that's the point, they USED to have Pension plans, but they got rid of those in favor of 401K's.

Still doesn't make us "Investors". Investor implies a choice and the power to manipulate the market.

And you will ignore the mass murder created by gun control in Europe......15 million innocent men, women and children murdered after you banned and confiscated guns in the 1920s-30s........all murdered in just 6 years...

Again, wars are nasty. People do awful things in Wars, but it doesn't keep the Right Wing from wanting more of them. Oh, wait, the Military didn't go along with Trump, so now you all act like a Hippy Drum Circle.

 

[JoeB131]

The indians were murdering each other long before the Europeans arrived.......

Not to the point of extermination, which is what we did.

And funny thing, you doofus...the Europeans were responsible for the majority of dead indians too....just like they murdered 15 million innocent people in the 1930s-40s......

Um, yeah... uh, this country was founded by Europeans who enslaved and massacred people of color.

 

[Hollie]

Naw, I don't waste time on links you guy won't read...

Did some of the response go too far? Meh, maybe. It's easy to second guess when the crisis is over.


Well, that's the point, they USED to have Pension plans, but they got rid of those in favor of 401K's.

Still doesn't make us "Investors". Investor implies a choice and the power to manipulate the market.



Again, wars are nasty. People do awful things in Wars, but it doesn't keep the Right Wing from wanting more of them. Oh, wait, the Military didn't go along with Trump, so now you all act like a Hippy Drum Circle.

Um, yeah. Links that present information which contradicts the always compelling, ''... because I say so'' argument are always an annoyance.


The ''crisis'' wasn't over when the leftist addled CDC and teachers union knew that school aged children were not high risk.

Provisional COVID-19 Deaths: Focus on Ages 0-18 Years | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) with a focus on ages 0-18 years in the United States.

data.cdc.gov

The left took every opportunity to damage this nations children while fleecing the American taxpayer by showering the teachers union with cash.

 

[2aguy]

Not to the point of extermination, which is what we did.



Um, yeah... uh, this country was founded by Europeans who enslaved and massacred people of color.

Moron, most of the indians died from disease long before the U.S. became the U.S......wiped out by diseases brought by the Europeans......and their own slaughter of each other.....

This country was founded by colonists whose families came from Europe.....the Eurpeans bought slaves from black Africans who sold their own people into slavery.......

 

[JoeB131]

The ''crisis'' wasn't over when the leftist addled CDC and teachers union knew that school aged children were not high risk.

The problem wasn't that the kids were "high risk", it was that they could bring the virus home with them and kill Nana.

Moron, most of the indians died from disease long before the U.S. became the U.S......wiped out by diseases brought by the Europeans......and their own slaughter of each other.....

God, you are so fucking predictable.

So, um, what happened to the Soiux? The Apache? the Cherokee? How did these nations go from owning the whole of the US to owning just a few reservations?

 

[Hollie]

The problem wasn't that the kids were "high risk", it was that they could bring the virus home with them and kill Nana.



God, you are so fucking predictable.

So, um, what happened to the Soiux? The Apache? the Cherokee? How did these nations go from owning the whole of the US to owning just a few reservations?

The problem is that you're not paying attention to the all-knowing, all-seeing CDC.

COVID-19 vaccines prevent 90 percent of all infections, CDC study says

The two mRNA coronavirus vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech prevent 90 percent of infections, according to a new study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).The results s…

thehill.com

Vaccines stop infection... because the CDC says so.


World renowned virologist tells you everything you need to know.

 

[JoeB131]

The problem is that you're not paying attention to the all-knowing, all-seeing CDC.

Point was, we got vaccinated, that created herd immunity... Good job. Too bad you MAGAts had to be dragged along kicking and screaming because you couldn't admit Trump fucked up the response.

 

[Hollie]

Point was, we got vaccinated, that created herd immunity... Good job. Too bad you MAGAts had to be dragged along kicking and screaming because you couldn't admit Trump fucked up the response.

Um, no. Point was, the vaccines never created herd immunity.

'It's mythical': COVID jab will never result in herd immunity, warns UK's top vaccine boss

Sir Andrew Pollard, director of the Oxford Vaccine Group, said herd immunity is 'not a possibility' with the current Delta variant.

www.yahoo.com

Your silly, ''... because I say so'' quips are a hoot.


Did you know Trump created the Wuhan virus? Pass that around to your pals at your next TDS therapy group session.

 

[2aguy]

The problem wasn't that the kids were "high risk", it was that they could bring the virus home with them and kill Nana.



God, you are so fucking predictable.

So, um, what happened to the Soiux? The Apache? the Cherokee? How did these nations go from owning the whole of the US to owning just a few reservations?

The Europeans brought over diseases they had no immunity to........they were also no technology prmitives who lost to the more advanced Europeans and later us, the Americans........they slaughtered each other for hundreds of years, then the more advanced people from Europe arrived and drove them out of their territories...the same way they had driven each other out of territory long before the Europeans arrived....

I notice you didn't mention the Commanche.....the monsters of the west....

Comanche war party activity...

‘Her head, arms and face were full of bruises and sores,’ wrote one witness, Mary Maverick. ‘And her nose was actually burnt off to the bone. Both nostrils were wide open and denuded of flesh.’

Once handed over, Matilda Lockhart broke down as she described the horrors she had endured — the rape, the relentless sexual humiliation and the way Comanche women had tortured her with fire. It wasn’t just her nose, her thin body was hideously scarred all over with burns.

When she mentioned she thought there were 15 other white captives at the Indians’ camp, all of them being subjected to a similar fate, the Texan lawmakers and officials said they were detaining the Comanche chiefs while they rescued the others.

It was a decision that prompted one of the most brutal slaughters in the history of the Wild West — and showed just how bloodthirsty the Comanche could be in revenge.
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He refers to the ‘demonic immorality’ of Comanche attacks on white settlers, the way in which torture, killings and gang-rapes were routine. ‘The logic of Comanche raids was straightforward,’ he explains.
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‘All the men were killed, and any men who were captured alive were tortured; the captive women were gang raped. Babies were invariably killed.’
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One by one, the children and young women were pegged out naked beside the camp fire,’ according to a contemporary account. ‘They were skinned, sliced, and horribly mutilated, and finally burned alive by vengeful women determined to wring the last shriek and convulsion from their agonised bodies. Matilda Lockhart’s six-year-old sister was among these unfortunates who died screaming under the high plains moon.’

Not only were the Comanche specialists in torture, they were also the most ferocious and successful warriors — indeed, they become known as ‘Lords of the Plains’.

They were as imperialist and genocidal as the white settlers who eventually vanquished them.





The truth Johnny Depp wants to hide about the real-life Tontos: How Comanche Indians butchered babies, roasted enemies alive and would ride 1,000 miles to wipe out one family







On what the raid on the Parker fort was like
"This is what Indians did to Indians and this just happened to be Indians meeting whites. But the automatic thing in battle is that all the adult males would be killed. That was automatic. That was one of the reasons that Indians fought to the death. The white men were astonished by it but they were assumed that they would be killed. Small children were killed. Very small children were killed. A lot of the children in say, the 3-10 range were often taken as captives. The women were often raped and often killed. And all of the people in those settlements back in those years knew what a Comanche raid was — knew what a Comanche raid meant. ... And it's an interesting kind of moral question as a historian about Plains Indians or American Indians in general. You have to come to terms with this — with torture, which they practiced all across the West — and these kind of grisly practices that scared white people to death."
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On rewriting history to leave out Native American atrocities
"There was even an attempt at one point to deny that Indians were warlike. Comanches were incredibly warlike. They swept everyone off the Southern plains. They nearly exterminated the Apaches. And you know, if you look at the Comanches and you look back in history at Goths and Vikings or Mongols or Celts — old Celts are actually a very good parallel. In a lot of ways, I think we're looking back at earlier versions of ourselves. We — being white European — did all of those things. Not only that but torture was institutionalized during things like the Counter-Reformation and the Spanish Inquisition and the Russian Revolution."
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Seven men were killed in the raid, though that does not begin to describe the horror of what Mackenzie found at the scene. According to Captain Robert G. Carter, Mackenzie's subordinate, who witnessed its aftermath, the victims were stripped, scalped, and mutilated. Some had been beheaded and others had their brains scooped out. "Their fingers, toes and private parts had been cut off and stuck in their mouths," wrote Carter, "and their bodies, now lying in several inches of water and swollen or bloated beyond all chance of recognition, were filled full of arrows, which made them resemble porcupines." They had clearly been tortured, too. "Upon each exposed abdomen had been placed a mass of live coals. . . . One wretched man, Samuel Elliott, who, fighting hard to the last, had evidently been wounded, was found chained between two wagon wheels and, a fire having been made from the wagon pole, he had been slowly roasted to death — 'burnt to a crisp.' "

 

[2aguy]

Point was, we got vaccinated, that created herd immunity... Good job. Too bad you MAGAts had to be dragged along kicking and screaming because you couldn't admit Trump fucked up the response.

The vaccines didn't do anything.........you dumb ass.....except create long term death that we can't even understand yet...

 

[JoeB131]

The Europeans brought over diseases they had no immunity to........they were also no technology prmitives who lost to the more advanced Europeans and later us, the Americans........they slaughtered each other for hundreds of years, then the more advanced people from Europe arrived and drove them out of their territories...the same way they had driven each other out of territory long before the Europeans arrived....

Except in 1776, the Indians still controlled most of the Continent. For instance, Chicago didn't exist until 1830. What do you think happened to the Potawatomi and the Illini and other nations that occupied the area before that?

Wait, wait, Dick Tiny is going to find some way to blame Democrats for that.

 

[2aguy]

Except in 1776, the Indians still controlled most of the Continent. For instance, Chicago didn't exist until 1830. What do you think happened to the Potawatomi and the Illini and other nations that occupied the area before that?

Wait, wait, Dick Tiny is going to find some way to blame Democrats for that.

They were driven out, the same way they drove out the tribes that were on that land before them.....and the European diseases killed them off too..........

The majority died long before we were a country.

 

[JoeB131]

They were driven out, the same way they drove out the tribes that were on that land before them.....

By white Americans... thanks for playing.

 

[2aguy]

By white Americans... thanks for playing.

And when they drove out each other, long before the Europeans? When they were eating each other, and sacrificing each other and torturing and murdering each other long before the Europeans arrived?

 

[AZrailwhale]

The problem wasn't that the kids were "high risk", it was that they could bring the virus home with them and kill Nana.



God, you are so fucking predictable.

So, um, what happened to the Soiux? The Apache? the Cherokee? How did these nations go from owning the whole of the US to owning just a few reservations?

In the cases of the Sioux and Apache, they went to war with the US. By the way the Apache also went to war with Mexico. The Cherokee made the mistake of backing the Confederacy in the ACW. It's hard to claim that the Apache owned much of the US west when there were less than ten thousand of them in 1860 AND they were in a continual state of war with my ancestors the Comanche. There were more Sioux, perhaps as many a thirty thousand, so you can make the same argument there. There were never more than a few million American Indians in the whole of North America and they had always been warring, enslaving and exterminating each other.

 

[JoeB131]

And when they drove out each other, long before the Europeans? When they were eating each other, and sacrificing each other and torturing and murdering each other long before the Europeans arrived?

Um, really? Racist much? This seems to be a theme with you that when bad things happen to people of color, they deserve it somehow.

In the cases of the Sioux and Apache, they went to war with the US. By the way the Apache also went to war with Mexico. The Cherokee made the mistake of backing the Confederacy in the ACW.

The Cherokee were driven out of their lands in the Southeast LONG before the Civil War. Ever heard of the Trail of Tears? The Cherokee and the other "Civilized Tribes" by that time were living in houses and acting pretty much like westerners. Didn't matter. White people wanted their land and took it.

 

[beautress]

Not to the point of extermination, which is what we did.



Um, yeah... uh, this country was founded by Europeans who enslaved and massacred people of color.

Native Americans also massacred Europeans who disrespected (unwittingly) their sacred properties, their massacre of another tribe, alien gardens protected by fences that did not share with tribal peoples, and numerous indignities. Omitting this is like building castles in Spain.

Europe frequently emptied its prisons to put undesirables on ships to the new world with a tidy bonus for the Ship's Captains and Owners. I'm not complaining, by the way. I have ancestors in the New World and the Old. Love, beautress.

 

[2aguy]

Um, really? Racist much? This seems to be a theme with you that when bad things happen to people of color, they deserve it somehow.



The Cherokee were driven out of their lands in the Southeast LONG before the Civil War. Ever heard of the Trail of Tears? The Cherokee and the other "Civilized Tribes" by that time were living in houses and acting pretty much like westerners. Didn't matter. White people wanted their land and took it.

How is telling the truth about the indians before the Europeans were here racist?

When you are exposed as a doofus......who lies and doesn't know what he is talking about...you go to the tried and true..."you're a racist..." card......you idiot.

The trail of tears happened with a democrat in office...the founder of the slave party, the democrats.....a party you vote for today.....and the Europeans were here long after the various tribes conducted warfare, slavery, rape, and torture among each other........and most of the death happened 176 years before our country was created....

More than 50 million indigenous people perished by 1600​

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Once Koch and his colleagues collated the before-and-after numbers, the conclusion was stark. Between 1492 and 1600, 90% of the indigenous populations in the Americas had died.

European colonizers killed so many indigenous Americans that the planet cooled down, a group of researchers concluded

The diseases brought to North America by Columbus and other colonizers killed 90% of indigenous populations, sparking a global cooling.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[JoeB131]

How is telling the truth about the indians before the Europeans were here racist?

Because it's the same kind of racism that was used to rationalize their genocide to start with.

More than 50 million indigenous people perished by 1600

Yes, they did.

Most of them in Mexico and South America, where the Spanish exploited them.

Doesn't make up for the fact that after the US became a thing, it continued with the genocide.

But, no, no, let's never talk about that. Let's talk about what Europe did in the middle of a war, but let's not talk about our own genocide, because that's unpleasent.

 

[Hollie]

Except in 1776, the Indians still controlled most of the Continent. For instance, Chicago didn't exist until 1830. What do you think happened to the Potawatomi and the Illini and other nations that occupied the area before that?

Wait, wait, Dick Tiny is going to find some way to blame Democrats for that.

Aww, those mean white people. The Indian tribes were doing just fine warring / slaughtering each other until the mean whitey came along.

Donate 1/2 of your income to the Indian tribes as reparations… you pompous phony.