The Founders of our nation (USA) never intended "separation of Church & state" as we know it..

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As a Christian no one has ever interfered with me saying or believing anything.
 
The first response here was fromsomeone who didn't get the point of the OP

which is that the Founders never intended to make our nation SECULAR

it's just tht this separation of Church and state thing has been

what else?

misinterpreted..
 
maybe bc you aren't a true Christian

not judging, just saying... Jesus said His followers would be hated by all.. .so if you're not hated by all....

:dunno:

Are you persecuted a lot here in the US?

Tell us all about it....
 

This link explains how Americans have gotten things ... shall we say (as Lincoln used to) "bass ackwards"

The state was not to intervene in Churches (unless members therein were committing crimes). Nowhere was it intended or postulated tht the Church could not be involved with the state
That's a fact. Jefferson's goal was to protect the Church from the State. But he, himself, allowed church services to be held in the Capitol Building. He also urged the distribution of Bibles among the American Indians.



"The Continental-Confederation Congress, a legislative body that governed the United States from 1774 to 1789, contained an extraordinary number of deeply religious men. The amount of energy that Congress invested in encouraging the practice of religion in the new nation exceeded that expended by any subsequent American national government. Although the Articles of Confederation did not officially authorize Congress to concern itself with religion, the citizenry did not object to such activities. This lack of objection suggests that both the legislators and the public considered it appropriate for the national government to promote a nondenominational, nonpolemical Christianity.

Congress appointed chaplains for itself and the armed forces, sponsored the publication of a Bible, imposed Christian morality on the armed forces, and granted public lands to promote Christianity among the Indians. National days of thanksgiving and of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" were proclaimed by Congress at least twice a year throughout the war. Congress was guided by "covenant theology," a Reformation doctrine especially dear to New England Puritans, which held that God bound himself in an agreement with a nation and its people. This agreement stipulated that they "should be prosperous or afflicted, according as their general Obedience or Disobedience thereto appears." Wars and revolutions were, accordingly, considered afflictions, as divine punishments for sin, from which a nation could rescue itself by repentance and reformation.

The first national government of the United States, was convinced that the "public prosperity" of a society depended on the vitality of its religion. Nothing less than a "spirit of universal reformation among all ranks and degrees of our citizens," Congress declared to the American people, would "make us a holy, that so we may be a happy people."
 
By adopting the religion of climate change and forcing us all to participate our government is in breech of the constitution.....
AMEN

you can have any religion you want... as long as it doesn't dispute the state-sponsored one, as described in your post...

which new religion has as a god Money (for the elite dims anyhow)

and Power
(ditto, for the elite dims only)

and that kicks Jesus to the curb
 
That's a fact. Jefferson's goal was to protect the Church from the State. But he, himself, allowed church services to be held in the Capitol Building. He also urged the distribution of Bibles among the American Indians.



"The Continental-Confederation Congress, a legislative body that governed the United States from 1774 to 1789, contained an extraordinary number of deeply religious men. The amount of energy that Congress invested in encouraging the practice of religion in the new nation exceeded that expended by any subsequent American national government. Although the Articles of Confederation did not officially authorize Congress to concern itself with religion, the citizenry did not object to such activities. This lack of objection suggests that both the legislators and the public considered it appropriate for the national government to promote a nondenominational, nonpolemical Christianity.

Congress appointed chaplains for itself and the armed forces, sponsored the publication of a Bible, imposed Christian morality on the armed forces, and granted public lands to promote Christianity among the Indians. National days of thanksgiving and of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" were proclaimed by Congress at least twice a year throughout the war. Congress was guided by "covenant theology," a Reformation doctrine especially dear to New England Puritans, which held that God bound himself in an agreement with a nation and its people. This agreement stipulated that they "should be prosperous or afflicted, according as their general Obedience or Disobedience thereto appears." Wars and revolutions were, accordingly, considered afflictions, as divine punishments for sin, from which a nation could rescue itself by repentance and reformation.

The first national government of the United States, was convinced that the "public prosperity" of a society depended on the vitality of its religion. Nothing less than a "spirit of universal reformation among all ranks and degrees of our citizens," Congress declared to the American people, would "make us a holy, that so we may be a happy people."

Thanks, I had not read that before but I've read plenty that is in conformity w/ it..

The libs will never believe you, though... they'll just skim through this, make some dumbass hateful comment and move on to some Trump bashing thread...
 
maybe bc you aren't a true Christian

not judging, just saying... Jesus said His followers would be hated by all.. .so if you're not hated by all....

:dunno:

Well that happens a lot in here so.......
 
Thanks, I had not read that before but I've read plenty that is in conformity w/ it..

The libs will never believe you, though... they'll just skim through this, make some dumbass hateful comment and move on to some Trump bashing thread...
Have you ever known a Lib that was interested in truth? Me neither.
 
Pride Month theologians are also hawking illusions and fairy tales. LGBTQ is thus a religion. U.S. Constitution is unique, and was forewarned about the pathology (post #6). Suggested reading is Seidel, The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism is Un-American.
 
Have you ever known a Lib that was interested in truth? Me neither.
LOL

But as happens a lot on hte forum... I LOL, then can't help falling into a dire state of... disturbed-ness

thinking about this... how dims don't care about truth

and at this time, they are the ones controlling damn near everything...

are we doomed?
 
LOL

But as happens a lot on hte forum... I LOL, then can't help falling into a dire state of... disturbed-ness

thinking about this... how dims don't care about truth

and at this time, they are the ones controlling damn near everything...

are we doomed?
I always remember that all this is supposed to happen exactly the way it's happening. The Bible tells us that there would be a great "falling away" and that up would be down, truth would be lies, black would be white, etc. The world is currently upside down. But the sooner this all comes to a head, the sooner Christ and His angels return to clean up this horrible mess. All in His time!!
 
The first response here was fromsomeone who didn't get the point of the OP

which is that the Founders never intended to make our nation SECULAR

it's just tht this separation of Church and state thing has been

what else?

misinterpreted..
thats because hes a troll,,

we need to start reporting these trolls for their off topic comments that are only meant to derail the discussion,,
 

This link explains how Americans have gotten things ... shall we say (as Lincoln used to) "bass ackwards"

The state was not to intervene in Churches (unless members therein were committing crimes). Nowhere was it intended or postulated tht the Church could not be involved with the state
Nonsense!

The very first words of the U.S. Constitution make it VERY clear that the U.S> government is a secular government:

"We the People...Do Ordain"
Just about every government that existed before the U.S. laid claim that their King or Queen were ordained by God. Kings were 'ordained' by Bishops or other high ranking clergy. To this day, the King of Great Britain is also the head of the Church of England. To go against the King was to go against God.

The first words of the Constitution were a clear refutation of any association between Government and Religion.

The Bill of rights goes even further to say that the Government will make "no law respecting an establishment of religion", making the separation of Church and State absolute.

Unfortunately, our government has violated that amendment by making law recognizing religions and allowing the tax free status.

But, if you were a Christian, none of that would bother you since Jesus made it clear that Government and religion should be separate when He said: "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

If you were a Christian, you'd know that.
 

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