The Duke of Windser was a Nazi

[DudleySmith]

The US has been fighting Unions and the Working/Middle class since Regan. Now when your people middle or working class look for help, look for a Union, to all but a few they are not there. The US has been clever in that you have taught your working and middle class to diss both Unions and people who are not surviving. That is why in the US you have such a big uptake in drink, drugs and suicide from white working/middle class men who believe they should be able to make it and hate themselves so much for being such a failure.

This part is a fact. The 'middle class' has dwindled a lot and upward mobility for most is mostly non-existent. All the high productivity jobs that can be outsourced have been, and millions of green cards get handed out every year for those jobs that haven't been. This is why our education system no longer cares about real education and socially promotes the latest Fashionably Oppressed Minority Of The Day through the system with no worries over merit. They focus on indoctrination and 'self-esteem', i.e. producing halfwits with high self-esteem. Harvard is removing any merit based admissions at all now, as are other so-called 'Ivy League' schools; it's a way to get around the coming rulings against racial discrimination in college admissions the Supreme Court will be handing down soon.

 

[Pellinore]

No, that is Collectivism. Which is a key part of Communism. That in itself is not "Socialism".

Nothing about "Socialism" demands that production be turned over to anybody. That is something rather unique to Communism (more specifically Marxism) and no form of Socialism on the planet.

Hell, look how often people try to point to countries like Sweden and claim they are "Socialist Countries". There are a hell of a lot of countries that are "Socialist" to one degree or another, yet Collectivism really only exists in those based on the scribblings of Marx.

Well, I'm not going to try and convince you. I could flood this place with references, but I have a feeling it won't do much good, especially since to you I'm just some rando part-time poster on the Internet. Believe me, though, when I say that you should educate yourself more on the matter, because from what I've seen of your posts you have a solid grasp of a lot of the concepts and have a lot of potential, far beyond the goings-on in our little online fun house here.

As for socialism, yes, it's an economic system in which the industry is owned by the public, and administered through the government with its product being given to those who need it. It can apply for an entire society, but is more often considered for a single industry. Look at health care: In our capitalistic society, it is mostly run by private companies, but in 'democratic socialist' nations (and in the fever dreams of Bernie Sanders and AOC), it is owned by the public, run by the government, and its service is granted to those who need it. That's socialism.

Marx's argument was that Communism was the natural end result of a government based on socialism, but in practice it requires an authoritarian government to make it happen; authoritarian governments don't like to give up power, so in practice it's a dictatorial scam to put corrupt oligarchs in power, and it sucks. Collectivism is a broader term, applying to more than economics or government administration, that indicates focus on the group's best interests, as opposed to individualism, which looks out for the, well, individual.

As I said, none of this is a secret. It's common political science, and available in any school textbook. I learned it in tenth grade, but these days the kids get it in about eighth.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Duke of Windsor wanted 'closest cooperation' with Hitler's Germany, letter claims

The Duke of Windsor wanted "the closest cooperation" with Adolf Hitler's Germany in 1936, according to a newly emerged letter.

www.yahoo.com

I think every government has those within it that attempt to sell out to countries that wish to destroy them.

This is just more proof.

It has been well known history about King Edward VIII was a Nazi sympathizer, so how is this news?

 

[Mushroom]

We're talking about Hitler in Germany. You're changing the subject while refusing to admit your error. You're a wiesel.

No, you are obsessed over Hitler, that much is obvious.

And where was I wrong? Did I not quite clearly say that at that time the laws passed in Germany were not similar to other laws globally?

 

[Mushroom]

Are you now suggesting that Fascist States are communist!

No, I said nothing like that. I said they are both based on Socialism.

Why is it that so many of you have to try and twist things in a way that makes you happy?

 

[Mushroom]

'Fraid you are forgetting that Nazi Germany allowed Unions which they controlled. This as with the word Socialism was to deceive. The working class is what Fascism goes against. They are the biggest group of people in any country. They are also the people who pay the most for Capitalism's failures. We have knowledge of all this so it is silly trying to pretend otherwise.

The US has been fighting Unions and the Working/Middle class since Regan.

And did I say anything different? All totalitarian government have this demand to control everything they can. You keep trying to argue with me about things I never said.

And from your repeated claims and statements, it is obvious that you also are arguing from a very slanted position and are not even trying to argue against anything I said. And the US has been fighting Unions. Hmmm, and how exactly has it been doing that? Unions have largely been falling out of favor in this country for decades entirely because of their own corruption.

 

[Mushroom]

Marx's argument was that Communism was the natural end result of a government based on socialism, but in practice it requires an authoritarian government to make it happen; authoritarian governments don't like to give up power, so in practice it's a dictatorial scam to put corrupt oligarchs in power, and it sucks. Collectivism is a broader term, applying to more than economics or government administration, that indicates focus on the group's best interests, as opposed to individualism, which looks out for the, well, individual.

I am well aware of that. And as you just demonstrated, that to Marxists all Socialism and Communism all comes down from the Holy Mountain as written by Karl the Great.

However, not only sis Socialism predate Marx, but so did Communism. He simply wrote a theory on them that since has largely become the law for anybody that believes even remotely in either of those systems. And I find that the majority of people who talk about either one are really talking about Marxism. Your once again descending into how both Communism and Socialism are Collectivist as written by Marx simply proves this once again.

I am actually rather well read. And I find it absolutely fascinating that To me each of those is as different as Democracy and Republicanism are. Or as different as National Socialism and International Socialism. And I really find it funny how so many have to keep moving back and forth between reality and 19th century philosophy, and insisting that the philosophy is fact and not the more modern reality.