The Death of Atatürk's Vision

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The military coup in Turkey brought to a head a long-standing struggle between President Erdoğan's overtly anti-Western approach and the alleged pro-Western orientation of the Fethullah Gülen movement led by the Pennsylvania-based Turkish preacher.

On the face of it, Erdoğan emerged as the coup's undisputed winner because he survived the challenge and has become more assertive than ever. Yet the mass purges he unleashed have not only dented his international standing but have created a void in Turkey's public life that will make his rule increasingly tenuous. Hence the regime's conspiracy theories holding Washington culpable for the coup and hence its Syria intervention as a show of strength and an attempt to restore national pride.

Turkey is no longer a state the West can work with to solve the Middle East's daunting problems.


Similarly, while Ankara's rapprochement with Moscow is in keeping with its anti-Western tendencies, the pragmatism of the Turkish leadership is likely to prevent it from breaking with the West. This pragmatism has also led to the normalization of relations with Israel, a tactical move to counterweigh Ankara's failed bid for regional leadership, while persisting in its anti-Semitic and Islamizing policies.

This pragmatic manifestation notwithstanding, Erdoğan's attempt to consolidate power while flouting the constitution and the most basic human rights is setting the stage for a chaotic and unstable Turkey. As there are no active pro-Western political forces remaining in Ankara, it is no longer a place that the West can work with to solve the Middle East's daunting problems. Policies need to be adjusted accordingly.

The Death of Atatürk's Vision
 
so it seems------it ain't over yet-----Brilliant as I am---I have no idea how things will pan out in turkey
 
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The question is; did the Collapse of the Ottoman Empire cause; directly or indirectly, many, or, if not, most, of the problems that we face internationally with the world today?
 
The question is; did the Collapse of the Ottoman Empire cause; directly or indirectly, many, or, if not, most, of the problems that we face internationally with the world today?

absolutely not. in fact it is the existence of the Ottoman
empire for some 600 years that caused ---lots----I would not
say all or most----just lots and lots of the problems the world
faces today
 
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The question is; did the Collapse of the Ottoman Empire cause; directly or indirectly, many, or, if not, most, of the problems that we face internationally with the world today?

absolutely not. in fact it is the existence of the Ottoman
empire for some 600 years that caused ---lots----I would not
say all or most----just lots and lots of the problems the world
faces today

It was the way it was cut up and divided, by the powers that were.
 
The question is; did the Collapse of the Ottoman Empire cause; directly or indirectly, many, or, if not, most, of the problems that we face internationally with the world today?

absolutely not. in fact it is the existence of the Ottoman
empire for some 600 years that caused ---lots----I would not
say all or most----just lots and lots of the problems the world
faces today

It was the way it was cut up and divided, by the powers that were.

no it wasn't------nothing would have worked out well. The "empire" was a mess------it was a fake and UNWILLING
confederacy of barbaric tribes. Its problems did not BEGIN
at the close of world war I Its problems began 1400 years
ago
 
Another rotting corpse of a Muslim state, coming to a resurrection of old enmities near you...

Not exactly a surprise...

And, of course, the REAL reason why the European Union continued to hold the country at arms' length, all these years...

In their innermost hearts, the Europeans knew this was coming, some day, and, most likely, sooner rather than later...
 
Another rotting corpse of a Muslim state...

Not exactly a surprise...

And, of course, the REAL reason why the European Union continued to hold the country at arms' length...

In their innermost hearts, they knew this was coming, some day...

yes---so true----I have a relative thru marriage who was born in Turkey------the family migrated to Palestine about 1940----but the man was elderly when I spoke to him and REMEMBERED----I commented on the ISLAMIZATION trend that had already became apparent ----at least to me----about 1990----and said something like -----in my pathetic Hebrew and Spanish----
"the turks are not that nuts"-----------his answer was----THEY ARE PLENTY NUTS ---he foresaw the current trend. Germany saw the ISLAMIZATION of the turks in their Turkish
population
 

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