The British National Health System...everything you expect from socialized medicine, all the wait, plus horrible service.

[2aguy]

The only way the Europeans maintain their horrible socialized medical system is the fact that the United States provides for their national defense, medical advances and technology advances....without us doing those 3 things, their medical systems would have collapsed already....

The European systems chugged along for a while, even as medical care got more complicated, only because Americans paid for it by absorbing their defense costs during the Cold War.
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A cancer-battling granddad has been left flabbergasted after being told he must wait three years for a hospital appointment. Andrew Jones, 61, won't be allowed to attend the medical facility until it's almost time for the next World Cup in North America.
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His confirmation arrived days after a 16-year-old boy was told he wouldn't been seen for 950-days for his “urgent” NHS appointment for a urology-related problem.
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The same article says that the NHS has 6 million people waiting for surgeries for non-life-threatening issues—or 9% of the United Kingdom’s population. If that 6 million number refers only to England’s NHS (as opposed to Scotland’s or Wale’s), then 10.6% of the population is on a healthcare waitlist.
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In a real marketplace, the customer would be seeking the best quality for the lowest fees while the provider would be trying to maximize profit, control costs, and provide quality care. These concerns, plus genuine marketplace competition, would see price-conscience shopping and innovation.

Under Britain’s socialized medicine, a cancer diagnosis meets a 3-year waitlist

For decades, American leftists have been insisting that the way to beat America’s soaring health costs is through socialized medicine. England, Europe, and even Cuba, they assure us, are the models we should look to when it comes to bringing af...

www.americanthinker.com

 

[Jaxson]

The only way the Europeans maintain their horrible socialized medical system is the fact that the United States provides for their national defense, medical advances and technology advances....without us doing those 3 things, their medical systems would have collapsed already....

The European systems chugged along for a while, even as medical care got more complicated, only because Americans paid for it by absorbing their defense costs during the Cold War.
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A cancer-battling granddad has been left flabbergasted after being told he must wait three years for a hospital appointment. Andrew Jones, 61, won't be allowed to attend the medical facility until it's almost time for the next World Cup in North America.
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His confirmation arrived days after a 16-year-old boy was told he wouldn't been seen for 950-days for his “urgent” NHS appointment for a urology-related problem.
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The same article says that the NHS has 6 million people waiting for surgeries for non-life-threatening issues—or 9% of the United Kingdom’s population. If that 6 million number refers only to England’s NHS (as opposed to Scotland’s or Wale’s), then 10.6% of the population is on a healthcare waitlist.
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In a real marketplace, the customer would be seeking the best quality for the lowest fees while the provider would be trying to maximize profit, control costs, and provide quality care. These concerns, plus genuine marketplace competition, would see price-conscience shopping and innovation.

Under Britain’s socialized medicine, a cancer diagnosis meets a 3-year waitlist

For decades, American leftists have been insisting that the way to beat America’s soaring health costs is through socialized medicine. England, Europe, and even Cuba, they assure us, are the models we should look to when it comes to bringing af...

www.americanthinker.com

So they don't need more guns?

 

[JoeB131]

Poor Dick Tiny thinks that the UK is a dystopian land where no one can have guns and people get free health care.

 

[johngaltshrugged]

Canadas overloaded & corrupt commie system is pushing assisted suicide.
Whenever the care is "free" & govt is in charge, they always end up with death panels because the costs are unsustainable.
Even Obamacare has talked about "end of life" options for those that aren't productive enough for the collectivist ghouls in charge.

NHS in Britain was actually OD'ing the elderly on a drug used in lethal injections when the ronaflu started.
They're probably still doing it

 

[occupied]

I started feeling sick in May. After a series of shameful misdiagnoses and near malpractice I was finally diagnosed with colon cancer a little over a month ago. I start chemo in ten days. Our system is screwed. At least they were prompt about sending the bills.

 

[Darkwind]

I started feeling sick in May. After a series of shameful misdiagnoses and near malpractice I was finally diagnosed with colon cancer a little over a month ago. I start chemo in ten days. Our system is screwed. At least they were prompt about sending the bills.

Just imagine how much worse your colon cancer would have been if you had to wait 3 years for the proper diagnosis. Assuming that three years without treatment would still see you alive for that kind of ailment.

I hope you manage to beat it, however. Good luck to you.

 

[Mindful]

The only way the Europeans maintain their horrible socialized medical system is the fact that the United States provides for their national defense, medical advances and technology advances....without us doing those 3 things, their medical systems would have collapsed already....

I wouldn’t go that far. I live in the German system, and find its healthcare very good. I pay an insurance for it, unlike the British system, which is financed by taking monies from your salary, whether you like it or not.

And a further comparison: a year ago, l experienced an unexpected stay in an American ICU. (Have they never heard of precision engineering? ) It was all to the good, but l noticed, all these people coming into my room at different times, with fancy medical names l’d never heard of. In Germany, one person would do most of those jobs.

And all has to be paid for.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I started feeling sick in May. After a series of shameful misdiagnoses and near malpractice I was finally diagnosed with colon cancer a little over a month ago. I start chemo in ten days. Our system is screwed. At least they were prompt about sending the bills.

Well good luck. My corp Dr's office is still playing the COVID mask game. lLike the guy but I'm thinking about trying to find a private practice one if there are any left.

 

[2aguy]

Poor Dick Tiny thinks that the UK is a dystopian land where no one can have guns and people get free health care.

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It's not free healthcare....they have massive tax rates to pay for their healthcare system their entire lives...to only be put on 3 year wait lists when they get old.

 

[JoeB131]

It's not free healthcare....they have massive tax rates to pay for their healthcare system their entire lives...to only be put on 3 year wait lists when they get old.

Actually, they pay less per capita for health care than we do.
They have lower infant mortality rates.
A higher life expectancy.
Everyone is covered.
And there aren't three year wait lists... that's just a fucking lie.
Just like your lie about "rising murder rates" when they only have 48 gun murders a year compared to our 19,000.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, they pay less per capita for health care than we do.
They have lower infant mortality rates.
A higher life expectancy.
Everyone is covered.
And there aren't three year wait lists... that's just a fucking lie.
Just like your lie about "rising murder rates" when they only have 48 gun murders a year compared to our 19,000.

They pay more in taxes every year and then, when they are 61 and need to go to the hospital for cancer, they get put on a 3 year wait list....

They lie about their infant mortality rates

They have a higher life expectancy because their criminals don't murder each other at the rate ours do.

And their criminals are using guns more and more....you can try to lie about that, but their criminals don't care.

 

[Mindful]

And their criminals are using guns more and more....you can try to lie about that, but their criminals don't care.

That’s true, you can get a gun any time, anywhere. The black market for guns in Europe is huge.

In UK, the weapon of choice seems to be knives. Increasingly so.

 

[2aguy]

That’s true, you can get a gun any time, anywhere. The black market for guns in Europe is huge.

In UK, the weapon of choice seems to be knives. Increasingly so.

They are transitioning to guns......

 

[JoeB131]

They pay more in taxes every year and then, when they are 61 and need to go to the hospital for cancer, they get put on a 3 year wait list....

Quit lying.

They lie about their infant mortality rates

No, they don't. We have horrific numbers compared to the rest of the industrialized world because we don't have universal health care.

They have a higher life expectancy because their criminals don't murder each other at the rate ours do.

Wow, that would be a good argument for gun control....um... except while our murder rate is horrific, it's really not enough to budge the life expectancy numbers. 25,000 murders in a population of 330 million isn't a big enough number to really make a difference.

And their criminals are using guns more and more....you can try to lie about that, but their criminals don't care.

They had 48 gun murders. We had 19,500 gun murders.

 

[alexa]

I started feeling sick in May. After a series of shameful misdiagnoses and near malpractice I was finally diagnosed with colon cancer a little over a month ago. I start chemo in ten days. Our system is screwed. At least they were prompt about sending the bills.

I take it you are talking about the US as you say you were sent Bills. My experience in Scotland is that if it expected it is something serious like cancer or heart problems you are seen very quickly. I think in England some cancer treatment did lag during Covid but that wasn't the case in Scotland. A lot of other things did though. Meanwhile the current Government of the UK is trying to move our health system to one like yours. You have the most expensive health care in the world but the worst outcomes of the developed nations.

Hoping your treatment goes well.

 

[Mindful]

They had 48 gun murders. We had 19,500 gun murders.

Have you compared the sizes of population? AND the countries themselves?

 

[2aguy]

Quit lying.


No, they don't. We have horrific numbers compared to the rest of the industrialized world because we don't have universal health care.



Wow, that would be a good argument for gun control....um... except while our murder rate is horrific, it's really not enough to budge the life expectancy numbers. 25,000 murders in a population of 330 million isn't a big enough number to really make a difference.



They had 48 gun murders. We had 19,500 gun murders.

Wrong....you dumb ass.....

A closer look at the research, however, reveals that America’s seemingly poor performance is largely attributable to lifestyle and social factors — not the quality of the institutions that make up its healthcare system.



Take life expectancy. Americans live for 78.8 years, on average — less than the citizens of the other 10 developed nations examined in the JAMA study.



Several factors unrelated to our healthcare system explain Americans’ poor life expectancy. Our nation’s rate of gun deaths, for example, is ten times higher than that of other wealthy countries. Our death rate from car crashes is more than double that of other high-income nations. The U.S. drug overdose death rate is higher as well; Americans are twice as likely as Brits and six times as likely as the French to die of overdoses.



Americans are also heavier than citizens of other nations. More than 70 percent of U.S. adults are either overweight or obese, which increases their risk of premature death.



None of these factors reflects the quality of America’s doctors or hospitals. Yet they all contribute to our low life expectancy.



Then there’s infant mortality, another seemingly clear-cut indicator of the quality of a country’s healthcare system. The JAMA analysis finds that America has the developed world’s highest infant mortality rate — 5.8 per 1,000 live births, compared to an average of 3.6 per 1,000 among all 11 countries. That puts the U.S. rate more than 60 percent higher than the developed country average.



But this statistic is misleading. Countries record infant deaths differently.



In the United States, it’s standard practice to count any newborn showing the slightest evidence of life as a live birth — no matter how little she weighs or how soon she dies after birth. The Netherlands and France, by contrast, don’t count babies born before 22 weeks of gestation or weighing 1.1 pounds or less as live births.



By excluding premature and underweight babies, many of whom don’t survive, these countries artificially decrease their infant mortality rates.



Yet another deceptive indicator is the share of the population with health insurance. America’s 90 percent insured rate falls short of the near 100-percent coverage rates in the other nations.



Insurance, however, is no guarantee of access to health care — as patients living under government-run, single-payer systems know all too well. In my native Canada, the median wait time for receiving treatment from a specialist after referral from a general practitioner soared to a record high of 21.2 weeks last year.



Patients in the United Kingdom’s single-payer system routinely wait for hours in hospital hallways — or even in the back of ambulances — thanks to chronic overcrowding and staff shortages. To try to avoid such delays, about 10 percent of Britons carry private insurance coverage.



Most patients in the United States, by contrast, receive top-notch care essentially on-demand. It’s no coincidence that roughly 40 percent of patients seeking treatment outside their home country go to the United States, according to a 2017 survey. That’s more than twice the share of the second-most popular country.



Does America really have the worst health system in the developed world? - Pacific Research Institute

 

[2aguy]

Quit lying.


No, they don't. We have horrific numbers compared to the rest of the industrialized world because we don't have universal health care.



Wow, that would be a good argument for gun control....um... except while our murder rate is horrific, it's really not enough to budge the life expectancy numbers. 25,000 murders in a population of 330 million isn't a big enough number to really make a difference.



They had 48 gun murders. We had 19,500 gun murders.

Yep...you pay high taxes your whole life to finance bad healthcare, then, when you turn 50...all of a sudden, you are put on waiting lists for basic services.........

Agony every day for half of over-50s as it emerges thousands are still waiting for surgery amid crisis in the NHS​

• Half of patients aged over 50 and in need of surgery left in agony every day
• Many have been forced to spent more than £1,700 a year on pills and physio
• Comes as Sajid Javid warned NHS waiting lists of 5.6million could hit 13million
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Record waiting lists have plunged Britain into a pain epidemic with half of patients aged over 50 needing surgery left in agony every day.



Many enduring long NHS waits have been forced to spend more than £1,700 a year on pills and private physiotherapy, figures show today.



Some have sunk into debt covering the cost or have resorted to crowdfunding to plead for donations online.





Health groups warn many are ‘suffering in silence’ and feel like they have been ‘forgotten’ because the NHS has not updated them on when they can expect to be treated.

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The findings come after Health Secretary Sajid Javid warned that record NHS waiting lists of 5.6million could hit 13million.



Deborah Alsina, chief executive of Independent Age, said: ‘Many older people are living in daily pain and experiencing declining mental and physical health.



‘Their wait for surgery is affecting their wellbeing and many feel frustrated and forgotten.’

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[JoeB131]

Have you compared the sizes of population? AND the countries themselves?

Yes, I have. We suck on these metrics. Which is what happens when you have a greedy industry selling to people who don't need or should have guns.

Yep...you pay high taxes your whole life to finance bad healthcare, then, when you turn 50...all of a sudden, you are put on waiting lists for basic services.........

Why do you think i pay any attention to your links?

 

[JoeB131]

Take life expectancy. Americans live for 78.8 years, on average — less than the citizens of the other 10 developed nations examined in the JAMA study.



Several factors unrelated to our healthcare system explain Americans’ poor life expectancy. Our nation’s rate of gun deaths, for example, is ten times higher than that of other wealthy countries. Our death rate from car crashes is more than double that of other high-income nations. The U.S. drug overdose death rate is higher as well; Americans are twice as likely as Brits and six times as likely as the French to die of overdoses.

Why do you hate America, you commie! (Yes, DickTiny, I am mocking you now.)