The bible on being "worldly" or "of the world"

[norwegen]

Which is fine but it doesn't answer my question . God does not need us to enforce his will.

Whether He needs it, it's in the Bible. Ya a Christian, aintcha.

Somehow I doubt he would be pleased with all the people we kill in his name.

That's not His will, as stated in the Bible.

For some reason we only care about the portions we like.

Obviously.

You leave out quite a bit.

 

[K9Buck]

For some reason we only care about the portions we like.

Ha ha, yea, that's human nature.

 

[K9Buck]

You leave out quite a bit.

I was a "cafeteria" Catholic until recently, when I finally came to the realization that the Catholic Church is not God's official church.

 

[norwegen]

You leave out quite a bit.

I was a "cafeteria" Catholic until recently, when I finally came to the realization that the Catholic Church is not God's official church.

It has its faults. As they all do.

God's church is in the kingdom, which, by the way, is here already.

 

[K9Buck]

...which, by the way, is here already.

Can you elaborate, please?

 

[K9Buck]

It has its faults. As they all do.

Sure. I was raised Catholic and was taught that Peter was the first Pope and that all Popes thereafter were following in Peter's shoes. I no longer believe that.

 

[pknopp]

Which is fine but it doesn't answer my question . God does not need us to enforce his will.

Whether He needs it, it's in the Bible. Ya a Christian, aintcha.

Somehow I doubt he would be pleased with all the people we kill in his name.

That's not His will, as stated in the Bible.

For some reason we only care about the portions we like.

Obviously.

You leave out quite a bit.

You mean we aren't writing books here?

 

[pknopp]

You leave out quite a bit.

I was a "cafeteria" Catholic until recently, when I finally came to the realization that the Catholic Church is not God's official church.

Did the Pope's inclusion offend you?

 

[norwegen]

...which, by the way, is here already.

Can you elaborate, please?

You said in the OP, "believers can rest assured that there is a glorious Kingdom that awaits us." On the contrary, Jesus stated repeatedly during his ministry that the kingdom had come. The apostles thereafter began to recognize their citizenship in it.

Paul proclaimed citizenship in the kingdom for himself and his contemporaries (Col 1:13). The letter to the Hebrews exhorts believers to be grateful for the kingdom they had received (Heb 12:28). And the Revelator declared himself a partner in the kingdom with his brethren (Rv 1:9). The kingdom’s arrival is clearly a first-century phenomenon.

Sadly, mainstream and evangelical Christians do not recognize it.

 

[norwegen]

It has its faults. As they all do.

Sure. I was raised Catholic and was taught that Peter was the first Pope and that all Popes thereafter were following in Peter's shoes. I no longer believe that.

Did Peter know he was a Pope?

That's the first question I'd ask a Catholic who claims he was Pope.

 

[K9Buck]

You leave out quite a bit.

I was a "cafeteria" Catholic until recently, when I finally came to the realization that the Catholic Church is not God's official church.

Did the Pope's inclusion offend you?

John Paul II kissing the Koran, a blasphemous book, spoke volumes to me about the Church's inability to lead Christ's church.

 

[K9Buck]

...which, by the way, is here already.

Can you elaborate, please?

You said in the OP, "believers can rest assured that there is a glorious Kingdom that awaits us." On the contrary, Jesus stated repeatedly during his ministry that the kingdom had come. The apostles thereafter began to recognize their citizenship in it.

Paul proclaimed citizenship in the kingdom for himself and his contemporaries (Col 1:13). The letter to the Hebrews exhorts believers to be grateful for the kingdom they had received (Heb 12:28). And the Revelator declared himself a partner in the kingdom with his brethren (Rv 1:9). The kingdom’s arrival is clearly a first-century phenomenon.

Sadly, mainstream and evangelical Christians do not recognize it.

Oh, thanks. The quote you referenced is actually from the author in the link. I copied and pasted it here.

 

[K9Buck]

It has its faults. As they all do.

Sure. I was raised Catholic and was taught that Peter was the first Pope and that all Popes thereafter were following in Peter's shoes. I no longer believe that.

Did Peter know he was a Pope?

That's the first question I'd ask a Catholic who claims he was Pope.

Ha ha, I don't know but I doubt it.

 

[norwegen]

...which, by the way, is here already.

Can you elaborate, please?

You said in the OP, "believers can rest assured that there is a glorious Kingdom that awaits us." On the contrary, Jesus stated repeatedly during his ministry that the kingdom had come. The apostles thereafter began to recognize their citizenship in it.

Paul proclaimed citizenship in the kingdom for himself and his contemporaries (Col 1:13). The letter to the Hebrews exhorts believers to be grateful for the kingdom they had received (Heb 12:28). And the Revelator declared himself a partner in the kingdom with his brethren (Rv 1:9). The kingdom’s arrival is clearly a first-century phenomenon.

Sadly, mainstream and evangelical Christians do not recognize it.

Oh, thanks. The quote you referenced is actually from the author in the link. I copied and pasted it here.

Then that author doesn't understand Christianity. The kingdom of God is the heart and soul of Christianity. If one doesn't know what it is, then he doesn't understand the faith.

Being in the kingdom, the apostles were not of the world. That is, they were not of Moses. They were not under temple jurisdiction.

 

[Bezukhov]

I thought Jesus said "My Kingdom is part of this World, and will be established on earth as soon as every elected office in America is held by Bible Thumping Republicans."