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Ha. Fat fingered.No not really - It dowsn't
Apparently you'll now project and claim that Trump isn't an authoritarian - It's his enemies!Are you still calling yourself a liberal and maintain real liberal positions or have you accepted the identity and idiology the Marxists have been trying to give you for decades?
If you truly want to be a liberal and not an authoritarian stooge, then you are my ally.
Dows that answer your question?
A real liberal is one who doesn't try to overturn free and fair elections with violenceHa. Fat fingered.
Let me try again:
I don't know if the people spitting on vets returning from war where liberals.
Weather Underground was decidedly NOT liberal...by any stretch or contorted version of the term.
Why don't you tell me what you think a real liberal is?
It's hard to say one way or another on Trump. His messages were often mixed, like most politicians.Apparently you'll now project and claim that Trump isn't an authoritarian - It's his enemies!
Pee Wee concurs!
the only problem is it was dems in charge in the 60s to. The hippies just grew up. The parties didn’t change.This is so true. Remember radical lefties in the late 60s? This is pretty much today's Party of Trump. The roles have reversed. Brilliant piece from a very conservative writer and website. At least what we USED to consider conservatism.
Kevin Daniel Williamson (born September 18, 1972) is an American conservative political commentator. He is the roving correspondent for National Review.[2]
<snips>
As Democrats embrace authority and Republicans push countercultural revolution, we’re reenacting the 1960s with the roles reversed.My hunch is that a great deal of what is presently going on with the Right — and it won’t do to pretend it is just a tiny fringe — is an echo of that 1960s counterculture. Republicans have evolved out of their Apollonian sensibility and adopted a Dionysian one just as Democrats have, by and large, made the opposite journey. Today among progressives, it’s “experts say” and “science says,” but not long ago it was, “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson,” in the words of Bernardine Dohrn, who went on to marry William Ayers and become a professor of law at Northwestern as well as a benefactor of Barack Obama.Democrats’ overall approach to politics right now is to associate their party and its members with high-status authority figures and to denounce Republicans as insufficiently reverent of these figures, and insufficiently deferential to them. The response of many Republicans has been to subject those authority figures and their institutions — and, in some ways, the idea of authority itself — to ridicule and scorn. They desire to be both outraged and outrageous, high on rage themselves and a source of rage and anxiety in others. Like those of the hippies and, later, the punks, this right-wing tendency is largely outward-focused rather than the expression of some intimate individual sensibility: If the hippies and the punks had been driven by some kind of anarchic individualism, they wouldn’t have all looked alike and listened to the same music. The point wasn’t originality or authenticity — it was to freak out the squares, to vex and offend the mainstream of society, the ’60s and ’70s version of “owning the libs.”The leftist radicals of the 1960s were willing to engage in genuinely self-destructive behavior as a sacrifice to the idols they had constructed for themselves. They held science, reason, the government, the business establishment, organized religion, and much else in disdain, along with such notions as compromise, moderation, and cooperation. The contemporary Right also hates the government, the business establishment, much of organized religion, compromise, etc., but instead of LSD and Transcendental Meditation it has hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, absurd mask politics, election trutherism, anti-vaccine activism, 1,001 conspiracy theories, and QAnon.It even has its own version of the Manson murders, the five dead after the January 6 sacking of the Capitol only one unborn child short of the six dead at Roman Polanski’s house — both episodes of violence meant as theater for public consumption. This is self-harm, but it is also communicative. It is ceremonial outrage directed at the foundations of respectability per se, a reaction to what many on the right — and here I include myself — experience as an ever-narrower corridor of thinkable thoughts and sayable sentences. In some cases, those who are on the outside looking in discover that they are better pleased to be on the outside looking out — but others prefer to smash the windows, or to perform obscenities in front of them to shock and disgust those seated comfortably inside.Obviously, this kind of histrionic, ecstatic, Dionysian politics is ultimately incompatible with conservatism properly understood, though it goes easily hand-in-hand with a particular kind of right-wing revolutionism. Hence the contemporary Right’s promises of revolution and of a Dionysian frenzy presaging a return to innocence, from Ron Paul’s “Revolution” to the Tea Party to “Make America Great Again,” which, as far as right-wing slogans go, at least has the good taste to be properly reactionary. Hence also the cultishness of Republican politics circa 2021: the fever-dream hysteria, the idolatry, the mad quackery and pseudoscientific enthusiasms, and — lest we forget — the violence. In 2000, the “Brooks Brothers Riot” was a joke — in 2021, the riot was for real, and some on the right are starting to get a taste for it.Where and how this ends, I do not know. But if there were such a thing as stock in cults, I’d be long on those and short on most of what we understood to be conservatism until the day before yesterday.
Full:
The American Right Hits Its Hippie Phase | National Review
As Democrats embrace authority and Republicans push countercultural revolution, we’re reenacting the 1960s with the roles reversed.www.nationalreview.com
A real liberal is one who doesn't try to overturn free and fair elections with violence
A real liberal doesn't believe that corporations are people
A real liberal knows that COVID is real and follows science and not conspiracy theories
A real liberal knows that todays Trumpublican Party is NOT "conservative"
A real liberal wants people to vote - Regardless of their politics
A real liberal thinks decent health care is a right
A real liberal knows that George Floyd was murdered and that BLM is hardly a terrorist. organization
For starters - Need more?
I agree.A real liberal is one who doesn't try to overturn free and fair elections with violence
I don't know what you mean there, but groups of people (corporations) can be protected, just like individuals.A real liberal doesn't believe that corporations are people
But, does a real liberal want to force a bunch of mandates on everyone, including but not limited to forcing people to take a vax that lacks FDA approval and for which the manufacturer is shielded from liability for any side effects?A real liberal knows that COVID is real and follows science and not conspiracy theories
Oh, no argument there. The GOP as a whole is not "conservative" (which is another fucked up term that has lost it's meaning).A real liberal knows that todays Trumpublican Party is NOT "conservative"
...wants people to vote...ONCE...and only those who are citizens and will be stuck here with the results of said vote.A real liberal wants people to vote - Regardless of their politics
But, a real liberal does not want to steal the property of others to pay for it.A real liberal thinks decent health care is a right
A real liberal waits for the evidence before declaring anyone a murderer. A real liberal also knows that BLM is a corporation and on top of that, is not liberal itself, but another brand of authoritarianism. "Do what we want or we will force you to."A real liberal knows that George Floyd was murdered and that BLM is hardly a terrorist. organization
Whenever you see a poll here? Just laugh
A real liberal wants people to vote - Regardless of their politics
I am waiting for his reply to my post above.View attachment 519352 TOO FUNNY
This is so true. Remember radical lefties in the late 60s? This is pretty much today's Party of Trump. The roles have reversed. Brilliant piece from a very conservative writer and website. At least what we USED to consider conservatism.
Kevin Daniel Williamson (born September 18, 1972) is an American conservative political commentator. He is the roving correspondent for National Review.[2]
<snips>
As Democrats embrace authority and Republicans push countercultural revolution, we’re reenacting the 1960s with the roles reversed.My hunch is that a great deal of what is presently going on with the Right — and it won’t do to pretend it is just a tiny fringe — is an echo of that 1960s counterculture. Republicans have evolved out of their Apollonian sensibility and adopted a Dionysian one just as Democrats have, by and large, made the opposite journey. Today among progressives, it’s “experts say” and “science says,” but not long ago it was, “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson,” in the words of Bernardine Dohrn, who went on to marry William Ayers and become a professor of law at Northwestern as well as a benefactor of Barack Obama.Democrats’ overall approach to politics right now is to associate their party and its members with high-status authority figures and to denounce Republicans as insufficiently reverent of these figures, and insufficiently deferential to them. The response of many Republicans has been to subject those authority figures and their institutions — and, in some ways, the idea of authority itself — to ridicule and scorn. They desire to be both outraged and outrageous, high on rage themselves and a source of rage and anxiety in others. Like those of the hippies and, later, the punks, this right-wing tendency is largely outward-focused rather than the expression of some intimate individual sensibility: If the hippies and the punks had been driven by some kind of anarchic individualism, they wouldn’t have all looked alike and listened to the same music. The point wasn’t originality or authenticity — it was to freak out the squares, to vex and offend the mainstream of society, the ’60s and ’70s version of “owning the libs.”The leftist radicals of the 1960s were willing to engage in genuinely self-destructive behavior as a sacrifice to the idols they had constructed for themselves. They held science, reason, the government, the business establishment, organized religion, and much else in disdain, along with such notions as compromise, moderation, and cooperation. The contemporary Right also hates the government, the business establishment, much of organized religion, compromise, etc., but instead of LSD and Transcendental Meditation it has hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, absurd mask politics, election trutherism, anti-vaccine activism, 1,001 conspiracy theories, and QAnon.It even has its own version of the Manson murders, the five dead after the January 6 sacking of the Capitol only one unborn child short of the six dead at Roman Polanski’s house — both episodes of violence meant as theater for public consumption. This is self-harm, but it is also communicative. It is ceremonial outrage directed at the foundations of respectability per se, a reaction to what many on the right — and here I include myself — experience as an ever-narrower corridor of thinkable thoughts and sayable sentences. In some cases, those who are on the outside looking in discover that they are better pleased to be on the outside looking out — but others prefer to smash the windows, or to perform obscenities in front of them to shock and disgust those seated comfortably inside.Obviously, this kind of histrionic, ecstatic, Dionysian politics is ultimately incompatible with conservatism properly understood, though it goes easily hand-in-hand with a particular kind of right-wing revolutionism. Hence the contemporary Right’s promises of revolution and of a Dionysian frenzy presaging a return to innocence, from Ron Paul’s “Revolution” to the Tea Party to “Make America Great Again,” which, as far as right-wing slogans go, at least has the good taste to be properly reactionary. Hence also the cultishness of Republican politics circa 2021: the fever-dream hysteria, the idolatry, the mad quackery and pseudoscientific enthusiasms, and — lest we forget — the violence. In 2000, the “Brooks Brothers Riot” was a joke — in 2021, the riot was for real, and some on the right are starting to get a taste for it.Where and how this ends, I do not know. But if there were such a thing as stock in cults, I’d be long on those and short on most of what we understood to be conservatism until the day before yesterday.
Full:
The American Right Hits Its Hippie Phase | National Review
As Democrats embrace authority and Republicans push countercultural revolution, we’re reenacting the 1960s with the roles reversed.
off-guardian.org
Just out of curiosity. . .Apparently you'll now project and claim that Trump isn't an authoritarian - It's his enemies!
Pee Wee concurs!
Totalitarian Left is the Establishment.We're the counter culture
Paul Joseph Watson is on the phone from 10 years ago ...he's said ...derp
A few of us still exist -- even those born after 1960s.No
There were a bunch of liberals in the 60s.
You know, real liberals, not the fake authoritarian goose-stepping leftists masquerading as liberals.
