The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".

[gallantwarrior]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".
definition of arms
synonyms: weapons (of war), weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, cannon, artillery, armaments, munitions, instruments of war, war machines, military supplies, materiel
"arms and ammunition"

The states wanted to have the capability of having militias as a check on the Federal government.

Arms means all weapons of war the Federal government can have.

That is not happening in the 21st century. Since the 2nd amendment was written the majority of arms have been banned from possession by the citizens. We have restricted what citizens cannot have arms; felons.

Red tag laws, banning certain semi-automatic guns and background checks to own a gun is small time compared to the laws already on the books banning arms to be owned by citizens.

The Second Amendment doesn't 'give' anyone anything.

The Second Amendment right is inalienable.

Although inalienable, the right is not 'absolute.'

Government has the authority to place limits and restrictions on guns consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

It is not a right to possess any weapon one wishes, to carry that weapon anywhere one wishes, in any manner one wishes.

Lol
Without the second amendment to the constitution is an spineless document... fact

The guy that was detained in Walmart didn't break any laws but his being there with an open carry weapon caused a mass hysteria including the pulling of the fire alarm, vacating of the business and his arrest. The Police Lt that was involved stated that it was lucky that he wasn't killed in the process. The 2nd amendment needs to be updated. But you keep wanting it to not be. Fine. Let's use it from it's original document, the Magna Carta. In 1215, the only people that could afford weapons of war were the Kings. When you were called up for war, you were issued a sword or whatever weapon you were to use. If it was required, you got some for of armor. If you survived and went home, you turned in all your weapons of war and they were kept in an armory. The Arms it was talking about were the Arms for day to life for hunting and defending your home like Bows, Daggers and such. It did not include Swords since that was out of economic reach of the peasants. Fine, we'll use that. That means, any weapon the King (the government) uses must not be in the civilian hands. So turn in that AR-15 and AK-47 as they are outside of the original intention of the term "Arms".

What updates would you suggest be made to the 2d Amendment?

 

[Darkwind]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".
definition of arms
synonyms: weapons (of war), weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, cannon, artillery, armaments, munitions, instruments of war, war machines, military supplies, materiel
"arms and ammunition"

The states wanted to have the capability of having militias as a check on the Federal government.

Arms means all weapons of war the Federal government can have.

That is not happening in the 21st century. Since the 2nd amendment was written the majority of arms have been banned from possession by the citizens. We have restricted what citizens cannot have arms; felons.

Red tag laws, banning certain semi-automatic guns and background checks to own a gun is small time compared to the laws already on the books banning arms to be owned by citizens.

You are wrong.

The Second Amendment prevents Congress from infringing on the existing right to keep arms.

The government cannot bestow rights to the citizens.

 

[Taz]

The guy that was detained in Walmart didn't break any laws but his being there with an open carry weapon caused a mass hysteria including the pulling of the fire alarm, vacating of the business and his arrest. The Police Lt that was involved stated that it was lucky that he wasn't killed in the process. The 2nd amendment needs to be updated. But you keep wanting it to not be. Fine. Let's use it from it's original document, the Magna Carta. In 1215, the only people that could afford weapons of war were the Kings. When you were called up for war, you were issued a sword or whatever weapon you were to use. If it was required, you got some for of armor. If you survived and went home, you turned in all your weapons of war and they were kept in an armory. The Arms it was talking about were the Arms for day to life for hunting and defending your home like Bows, Daggers and such. It did not include Swords since that was out of economic reach of the peasants. Fine, we'll use that. That means, any weapon the King (the government) uses must not be in the civilian hands. So turn in that AR-15 and AK-47 as they are outside of the original intention of the term "Arms".

Lol
The second amendment means the right to bear arms, the arms of the day that is

So where can I buy a nuke? Or a cluster bomb?

Lol
Commonsense says small alarms, but progressives have no idea what common sense is

The 2nd says NO infringement. So you’re ok with infringing on it?

The Constitution exists solely in the context of its case law, as determined by the Supreme Court, including the Second Amendment.

Limits and restrictions on guns consistent with the Second Amendment are not 'infringement.'

SCOTUS doesn’t have the authority to override the Constitution.

 

[gallantwarrior]

The guy that was detained in Walmart didn't break any laws but his being there with an open carry weapon caused a mass hysteria including the pulling of the fire alarm, vacating of the business and his arrest. The Police Lt that was involved stated that it was lucky that he wasn't killed in the process. The 2nd amendment needs to be updated. But you keep wanting it to not be. Fine. Let's use it from it's original document, the Magna Carta. In 1215, the only people that could afford weapons of war were the Kings. When you were called up for war, you were issued a sword or whatever weapon you were to use. If it was required, you got some for of armor. If you survived and went home, you turned in all your weapons of war and they were kept in an armory. The Arms it was talking about were the Arms for day to life for hunting and defending your home like Bows, Daggers and such. It did not include Swords since that was out of economic reach of the peasants. Fine, we'll use that. That means, any weapon the King (the government) uses must not be in the civilian hands. So turn in that AR-15 and AK-47 as they are outside of the original intention of the term "Arms".

Lol
The second amendment means the right to bear arms, the arms of the day that is

So where can I buy a nuke? Or a cluster bomb?

Lol
Commonsense says small alarms, but progressives have no idea what common sense is

The 2nd says NO infringement. So you’re ok with infringing on it?

Do you have a problem with your children being shot up by gun toaters? Much like they got tired of it in Dallas Tx in 1871. The same laws are coming back. We may have finally reached to saturation point of firearms.

I'm tired of assholes telling me what should be best for my children. I know what's best for my children and it isn't the public indoctrination system. My daughter was homeschooled for her last three years of school and she already knew about safe firearms handling. She was a range officer for hunter education when she was 13 years old. Had her own firearms at 7. It's all about teaching.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Lol
The second amendment means the right to bear arms, the arms of the day that is

So where can I buy a nuke? Or a cluster bomb?

Lol
Commonsense says small alarms, but progressives have no idea what common sense is

The 2nd says NO infringement. So you’re ok with infringing on it?

The Constitution exists solely in the context of its case law, as determined by the Supreme Court, including the Second Amendment.

Limits and restrictions on guns consistent with the Second Amendment are not 'infringement.'

Unless it affects numerous states and can overflow borders (see the 1934 National Firearms Act) then it's up to the States to use Due Process and pass laws to cover it. And that is where we are right now.

As or Universal Background Checks, when I can buy a gun (like an AR or even a handgun) one state over without as much as an ID with just the smile or snarl on my face and can go for a 4 minute drive to another state into their urban area then the Federal Government does have the right to pass a law making ALL gun sales to require Universal Background Checks and to make anyone caught violating that at least a class 4 Felony.

Where do you live?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Lol
Commonsense says small alarms, but progressives have no idea what common sense is

The 2nd says NO infringement. So you’re ok with infringing on it?

The Constitution exists solely in the context of its case law, as determined by the Supreme Court, including the Second Amendment.

Limits and restrictions on guns consistent with the Second Amendment are not 'infringement.'

Unless it affects numerous states and can overflow borders (see the 1934 National Firearms Act) then it's up to the States to use Due Process and pass laws to cover it. And that is where we are right now.

As or Universal Background Checks, when I can buy a gun (like an AR or even a handgun) one state over without as much as an ID with just the smile or snarl on my face and can go for a 4 minute drive to another state into their urban area then the Federal Government does have the right to pass a law making ALL gun sales to require Universal Background Checks and to make anyone caught violating that at least a class 4 Felony.

Lol
More frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul… Live with it

It saved about 50 in California when that Combat Veteran Marine could only easily locate a handgun with low capacity mags. The mass shooting wasn't well thought out and was closer to off the cuff so not a whole lot of planning was put into it. With his skill sets, even with just a handgun, the cops had their hands full even armed with ARs themselves. And he killed one veteran cop who was armed and under cover who was dragged out by another cop that was wounded. He killed 12 and then himself. Imagine if he could have easily obtained an AR and 4 30 round mags. With his skill set, there would be a new body count record higher than the Las Vegas Shooter. Even if it saves only one life, the law is worth is. It's called Common Sense which you have very little of.

You would know.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Lol
The second amendment means the right to bear arms, the arms of the day that is

So where can I buy a nuke? Or a cluster bomb?

Lol
Commonsense says small alarms, but progressives have no idea what common sense is

The 2nd says NO infringement. So you’re ok with infringing on it?

The Constitution exists solely in the context of its case law, as determined by the Supreme Court, including the Second Amendment.

Limits and restrictions on guns consistent with the Second Amendment are not 'infringement.'

Unless it affects numerous states and can overflow borders (see the 1934 National Firearms Act) then it's up to the States to use Due Process and pass laws to cover it. And that is where we are right now.

As or Universal Background Checks, when I can buy a gun (like an AR or even a handgun) one state over without as much as an ID with just the smile or snarl on my face and can go for a 4 minute drive to another state into their urban area then the Federal Government does have the right to pass a law making ALL gun sales to require Universal Background Checks and to make anyone caught violating that at least a class 4 Felony.

All laws are presumed to be Constitutional until the courts rule otherwise. See, for example, US v Morrison (2000).

The same is true for firearm regulations consistent with the Second Amendment, which do not manifest as 'infringement,' regardless the jurisdiction enacting the regulation.

The NFA and UBCs are examples of constitutional firearm regulatory measures.

All jurisdictions are equally subject to Second Amendment case law, Federal, state, and local.

 

[Slade3200]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".
definition of arms
synonyms: weapons (of war), weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, cannon, artillery, armaments, munitions, instruments of war, war machines, military supplies, materiel
"arms and ammunition"

The states wanted to have the capability of having militias as a check on the Federal government.

Arms means all weapons of war the Federal government can have.

That is not happening in the 21st century. Since the 2nd amendment was written the majority of arms have been banned from possession by the citizens. We have restricted what citizens cannot have arms; felons.

Red tag laws, banning certain semi-automatic guns and background checks to own a gun is small time compared to the laws already on the books banning arms to be owned by citizens.

So do you believe in ANY limitations to American citizens owning firearms? Mental patients, children, etc. if so, how do you constitutionally justify it?

How have they justified, Constitutionally, banning machine guns and the many other weapons of war that citizens cannot posses. And banning felons from possessing guns of any kind.

How do you constitutionally explain the regulations on Automatics? (they aren’t banned btw)

 

[bripat9643]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".
definition of arms
synonyms: weapons (of war), weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, cannon, artillery, armaments, munitions, instruments of war, war machines, military supplies, materiel
"arms and ammunition"

The states wanted to have the capability of having militias as a check on the Federal government.

Arms means all weapons of war the Federal government can have.

That is not happening in the 21st century. Since the 2nd amendment was written the majority of arms have been banned from possession by the citizens. We have restricted what citizens cannot have arms; felons.

Red tag laws, banning certain semi-automatic guns and background checks to own a gun is small time compared to the laws already on the books banning arms to be owned by citizens.

The Second Amendment doesn't 'give' anyone anything.

The Second Amendment right is inalienable.

Although inalienable, the right is not 'absolute.'

Government has the authority to place limits and restrictions on guns consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

It is not a right to possess any weapon one wishes, to carry that weapon anywhere one wishes, in any manner one wishes.

Actually, yes it is. What part of "shall not be abridged" don't you understand?

 

[bripat9643]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".
definition of arms
synonyms: weapons (of war), weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, cannon, artillery, armaments, munitions, instruments of war, war machines, military supplies, materiel
"arms and ammunition"

The states wanted to have the capability of having militias as a check on the Federal government.

Arms means all weapons of war the Federal government can have.

That is not happening in the 21st century. Since the 2nd amendment was written the majority of arms have been banned from possession by the citizens. We have restricted what citizens cannot have arms; felons.

Red tag laws, banning certain semi-automatic guns and background checks to own a gun is small time compared to the laws already on the books banning arms to be owned by citizens.

So do you believe in ANY limitations to American citizens owning firearms? Mental patients, children, etc. if so, how do you constitutionally justify it?

How have they justified, Constitutionally, banning machine guns and the many other weapons of war that citizens cannot posses. And banning felons from possessing guns of any kind.

How do you constitutionally explain the regulations on Automatics? (they aren’t banned btw)

The Supreme Court is populated with political hacks rather than judges with principles.

 

[whitehall]

There is a freaking room full of statutes and state and local government restrictions on the 2nd Amendment that most posters aren't aware of so what seems to be the problem? Every mass shooter in modern history violated the law before he pulled the trigger. Is the dirty little secret about "confiscation"?

 

[Rustic]

 

[Slade3200]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".
definition of arms
synonyms: weapons (of war), weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, cannon, artillery, armaments, munitions, instruments of war, war machines, military supplies, materiel
"arms and ammunition"

The states wanted to have the capability of having militias as a check on the Federal government.

Arms means all weapons of war the Federal government can have.

That is not happening in the 21st century. Since the 2nd amendment was written the majority of arms have been banned from possession by the citizens. We have restricted what citizens cannot have arms; felons.

Red tag laws, banning certain semi-automatic guns and background checks to own a gun is small time compared to the laws already on the books banning arms to be owned by citizens.

So do you believe in ANY limitations to American citizens owning firearms? Mental patients, children, etc. if so, how do you constitutionally justify it?

How have they justified, Constitutionally, banning machine guns and the many other weapons of war that citizens cannot posses. And banning felons from possessing guns of any kind.

How do you constitutionally explain the regulations on Automatics? (they aren’t banned btw)

The Supreme Court is populated with political hacks rather than judges with principles.

That has nothing to do with my question. If you don’t think regulations on machine guns are constitutional then that would be your answer.

 

[bripat9643]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".
definition of arms
synonyms: weapons (of war), weaponry, firearms, guns, ordnance, cannon, artillery, armaments, munitions, instruments of war, war machines, military supplies, materiel
"arms and ammunition"

The states wanted to have the capability of having militias as a check on the Federal government.

Arms means all weapons of war the Federal government can have.

That is not happening in the 21st century. Since the 2nd amendment was written the majority of arms have been banned from possession by the citizens. We have restricted what citizens cannot have arms; felons.

Red tag laws, banning certain semi-automatic guns and background checks to own a gun is small time compared to the laws already on the books banning arms to be owned by citizens.

So do you believe in ANY limitations to American citizens owning firearms? Mental patients, children, etc. if so, how do you constitutionally justify it?

How have they justified, Constitutionally, banning machine guns and the many other weapons of war that citizens cannot posses. And banning felons from possessing guns of any kind.

How do you constitutionally explain the regulations on Automatics? (they aren’t banned btw)

The Supreme Court is populated with political hacks rather than judges with principles.

That has nothing to do with my question. If you don’t think regulations on machine guns are constitutional then that would be your answer.

That has everything to do with it. Political hacks on the Supreme Court violate the Constitution on a daily basis. Regulations on machine guns are not constitutional.

 

[Slade3200]

So do you believe in ANY limitations to American citizens owning firearms? Mental patients, children, etc. if so, how do you constitutionally justify it?

How have they justified, Constitutionally, banning machine guns and the many other weapons of war that citizens cannot posses. And banning felons from possessing guns of any kind.

How do you constitutionally explain the regulations on Automatics? (they aren’t banned btw)

The Supreme Court is populated with political hacks rather than judges with principles.

That has nothing to do with my question. If you don’t think regulations on machine guns are constitutional then that would be your answer.

That has everything to do with it. Political hacks on the Supreme Court violate the Constitution on a daily basis. Regulations on machine guns are not constitutional.

How about children? Should 12 years old be able to pick up a machine gun at the local 7-11 after school? If no then why?

 

[Rustic]

How have they justified, Constitutionally, banning machine guns and the many other weapons of war that citizens cannot posses. And banning felons from possessing guns of any kind.

How do you constitutionally explain the regulations on Automatics? (they aren’t banned btw)

The Supreme Court is populated with political hacks rather than judges with principles.

That has nothing to do with my question. If you don’t think regulations on machine guns are constitutional then that would be your answer.

That has everything to do with it. Political hacks on the Supreme Court violate the Constitution on a daily basis. Regulations on machine guns are not constitutional.

How about children? Should 12 years old be able to pick up a machine gun at the local 7-11 after school? If no then why?

Lol
Shit happens, Frivolous gun control laws will not stop shit

 

[noonereal]

The 2nd Amendment gives all citizens the right to"bear arms".

Then this needs to be changed, doesn't it?

 

[Slade3200]

How do you constitutionally explain the regulations on Automatics? (they aren’t banned btw)

The Supreme Court is populated with political hacks rather than judges with principles.

That has nothing to do with my question. If you don’t think regulations on machine guns are constitutional then that would be your answer.

That has everything to do with it. Political hacks on the Supreme Court violate the Constitution on a daily basis. Regulations on machine guns are not constitutional.

How about children? Should 12 years old be able to pick up a machine gun at the local 7-11 after school? If no then why?

Lol
Shit happens, Frivolous gun control laws will not stop shit

Why can’t you just give a straight answer to a simple question?

 

[bripat9643]

How have they justified, Constitutionally, banning machine guns and the many other weapons of war that citizens cannot posses. And banning felons from possessing guns of any kind.

How do you constitutionally explain the regulations on Automatics? (they aren’t banned btw)

The Supreme Court is populated with political hacks rather than judges with principles.

That has nothing to do with my question. If you don’t think regulations on machine guns are constitutional then that would be your answer.

That has everything to do with it. Political hacks on the Supreme Court violate the Constitution on a daily basis. Regulations on machine guns are not constitutional.

How about children? Should 12 years old be able to pick up a machine gun at the local 7-11 after school? If no then why?

Children do not posses all the Constitutional rights that adults enjoy.

 

[Rustic]

The Supreme Court is populated with political hacks rather than judges with principles.

That has nothing to do with my question. If you don’t think regulations on machine guns are constitutional then that would be your answer.

That has everything to do with it. Political hacks on the Supreme Court violate the Constitution on a daily basis. Regulations on machine guns are not constitutional.

How about children? Should 12 years old be able to pick up a machine gun at the local 7-11 after school? If no then why?

Lol
Shit happens, Frivolous gun control laws will not stop shit

Why can’t you just give a straight answer to a simple question?

Lol
What? Has political correctness made you fucking retarded