Teachers’ unions tried to shut down a South Central charter school that had been very successful at teaching low-income black and Hispanic students

[Indeependent]

... They don't because they want the daily government stipend per student. .....

Don't be stupid. Schools are mostly funded by local property taxes, and not piecemeal by individual student.

It's a mixture; schools get funded by the State based on number of students.

Local
Property
Taxes

Have you spoken to your local School Superintendent about this?
It may work differently in different counties; Nassau County gets a State stipend per student.

You have some proof of this stipend system? Could it be you are referring to some tiny fraction of the school district's budget?

I could look it up but I really don't give a shit.
......

So it's not true. Got it.

Eat shit.

Make some up. You seem to be good at it.

I will not reveal where I live.

 

[Dragonlady]

In my opinion, successful schools should not be shut down.

Instead, they should be copied.

Every child should be allowed to attend a school as good as this one.

The fact that the teachers’ union tried to shut down this successful school, instead of copying it, is despicable.

This is the complete article from the Wall St. Journal:

Charter Success in L.A. - WSJ.com

Charter Success in L.A.

School choice in South Central.

October 14, 2008

With economic issues sucking up so much political oxygen this year, K-12 education hasn’t received the attention it deserves from either Presidential candidate. The good news is that school reformers at the local level continue to push forward.

This month the Inner City Education Foundation (ICEF), a charter school network in Los Angeles, announced plans to expand the number of public charter schools in the city’s South Central section, which includes some of the most crime-ridden neighborhoods in the country. Over the next four years, the number of ICEF charters will grow to 35 from 13. Eventually, the schools will enroll one in four students in the community, including more than half of the high school students.

The demand for more educational choice in predominantly minority South Los Angeles is pronounced. The waitlist for existing ICEF schools has at times exceeded 6,000 kids. And no wonder. Like KIPP, Green Dot and other charter school networks that aren’t constrained by union rules on staffing and curriculum, ICEF has an excellent track record, particularly with black and Hispanic students. In reading and math tests, ICEF charters regularly outperform surrounding traditional public schools as well as other Los Angeles public schools.

ICEF has been operating since 1994, and its flagship school has now graduated two classes, with 100% of the students accepted to college. By contrast, a state study released in July reported that one in three students in the L.A. public school system — including 42% of black students — quits before graduating, a number that has grown by 80% in the past five years.

Despite this success, powerful unions like the California Teachers Association and its political backers continue to oppose school choice for disadvantaged families. Last year, Democratic state lawmakers, led by Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez, tried to force Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to sign a bill that would have made opening a new charter school in the state next to impossible. Mr. Nunez backed down after loud protests from parents in poorer neighborhoods.

School reformers in New York, Ohio, Florida, Connecticut, Utah and Arizona have faced similar challenges of late. Last year in Texas, where 81% of charter school students are minorities (versus 60% in traditional public schools), nearly 17,000 students had to be placed on charter waiting lists. Texas is currently bumping up against an arbitrary cap on the number of charters that can open in the state. Unless the cap is lifted by state lawmakers, thousands of low-income Texas children will remain stuck in ineffective schools.

Back in California, ICEF says that its ultimate goal is to produce 2,000 college graduates each year, in hopes that the graduates eventually will return to these underserved communities and help create a sustainable middle class. Given that fewer than 10% of high-school freshmen in South Los Angeles currently go on to receive a college diploma, this is a huge challenge. Resistance from charter school opponents won’t make it any easier.

Charter school should be burnt to the ground. No public money for private schools.

Worst public school education system in the first world. Start funding your schools and doing it right and paying your teachers a living wage.

 

[Juicin]

Charter school should be burnt to the ground. No public money for private schools.

Worst public school education system in the first world. Start funding your schools and doing it right and paying your teachers a living wage.

That's not why charter schools work...

They work because they can choose their students. You could fund them at 1/4 the rate of public schools and they'd beat them in some locations

There comes a point in a community there are too many badly behaved students you can't send them to some offshoot of the system. They are the system. So they do the reverse. "normal" kids go to charters and they get better results

I don't really believe charters are the solution. Any community with failing schools should be broken up with incentives to those who live there. Gentrify the fuck out of it.

In probably all canadian schools and the vast majority of american school districts if you're a behavior problem they just ship you off to some conglomerate with other districts where they send their badly behaved kids.

 

[GMCGeneral]

You mean like Chicago, where the cost per student is among the highest in the county and the education is dismal? Where the union is holding the city hostage? Where the teachers send their own children to private schools?

Buffalo is no different, with a less than 30% graduation rate and more than half of those are still illiterate. Even kids who do go to college nowadays have to take remedial math and English because they didn't get in during HS.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Charter school should be burnt to the ground. No public money for private schools.

Worst public school education system in the first world. Start funding your schools and doing it right and paying your teachers a living wage.

Know what? Worry about your own fucking country, you Frostback Hoser! Fucking Canucks think they know everything. Truth is you and the rest of your ilk are jealous that Charters are routinely kicking the collective asses of district schools. And no amount of money is going to fix it. Hell, back in "the day", parochial schools achieved better than public schools with far less money. So stick that up your tailpipe, Gord.

 

[whitehall]

This is the history forum so history tells us that the intended goal of the modern version of "separation of Church and State", created by the Supreme Court in the late 40's was to curtail the emergence of mostly religious based private schools at the time. The decision had no basis in Constitutional law and the majority opinion was written by a former KKK member appointed to the S.C. by FDR

 

[GMCGeneral]

This is the history forum so history tells us that the intended goal of the modern version of "separation of Church and State", created by the Supreme Court in the late 40's was to curtail the emergence of mostly religious based private schools at the time. The decision had no basis in Constitutional law and the majority opinion was written by a former KKK member appointed to the S.C. by FDR

Well well. This is from the "Gee, what a surprise" category.

 

[Juicin]

This is the history forum so history tells us that the intended goal of the modern version of "separation of Church and State", created by the Supreme Court in the late 40's was to curtail the emergence of mostly religious based private schools at the time. The decision had no basis in Constitutional law and the majority opinion was written by a former KKK member appointed to the S.C. by FDR

Considering we had a golden age right after that happened I'm not sure this is a strong point in your favor

The issue is we let women dominate the whole thing as time marched on.

Like most western concerns. IMO the obvious answer is we can no longer handle our women but no one wants to say that

 

[whitehall]

Well well. This is from the "Gee, what a surprise" category.

No surprise about the response though.

 

[whitehall]

Considering we had a golden age right after that happened I'm not sure this is a strong point in your favor

The issue is we let women dominate the whole thing as time marched on.

Like most western concerns. IMO the obvious answer is we can no longer handle our women but no one wants to say that

What "golden age"? Democrats ran with the faked decision for years until fire departments would be sued for placing a Christmas tree on public property.

 

[bodecea]

Did that say 2008?

It did.

 

[Juicin]

What "golden age"? Democrats ran with the faked decision for years until fire departments would be sued for placing a Christmas tree on public property.

What golden age?

We went from a joke in military, academia, and medicine in the world?

All the top hospitals are still here

Universities all still here

Obviously largest military. We were 50% of world GDP after WW2 and they were all bombed out. We rebuilt half of it. Yea golden age. 50% of world GDP is something that hasn't been seen since the dawn of fucking civilization

 

[westwall]

Charter school should be burnt to the ground. No public money for private schools.

Worst public school education system in the first world. Start funding your schools and doing it right and paying your teachers a living wage.

You are so fucking stupid. Public schools are failing, and moron you wants to reward them.

What the fuck is wrong with you!

 

[Juicin]

You are so fucking stupid. Public schools are failing, and moron you wants to reward them.

What the fuck is wrong with you!

public schools aren't failing....

people vastly overestimate the importance of even good schooling

a rural school that gives you the basic cirriculum will give you the same reading/math/iq you would have from a private education. The only public schools that fail are ones full of kids who do not give a shit. Very very small subsection of schools charters make no sense in most of the country. Remove their ability to pick and choose students and they get no better results.

Because schools don't really do shit relative to what we imagine.

 

[westwall]

public schools aren't failing....

people vastly overestimate the importance of even good schooling

a rural school that gives you the basic cirriculum will give you the same reading/math/iq you would have from a private education. The only public schools that fail are ones full of kids who do not give a shit. Very very small subsection of schools charters make no sense in most of the country. Remove their ability to pick and choose students and they get no better results.

Because schools don't really do shit relative to what we imagine.

Provably untrue.

 

[Juicin]

Provably untrue.

It's 100% true

All that an elite private school will get you is rich friends. Which will help your earnings

Not your standardized tests

All sorts of twin/sibling adoption studies to back that up. Plus the fact after generations we still can't raise IQ at all with any program. Combine those two.

Pretty conclusive

Any kid succeeding at a charter school would succeed in 98%+ of american school districts. We spend a fuck ton of money on some of the most terrible school districts in the country. Does nothing.

 

[Indeependent]

Charter school should be burnt to the ground. No public money for private schools.

Worst public school education system in the first world. Start funding your schools and doing it right and paying your teachers a living wage.

Funding vs competence.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Provably untrue.

Then prove it!