Study: Most new Texas jobs went to immigrants

[FA_Q2]

Avorysuds..Ron Paul doesn't believe in denying illegal immigrants jobs..in fact, he believes in allowing them to compete on an equal level with you.

Where does he say that? As I understood it, he wants LEGAL immigrants to have equal footing. Not ILLEGAL immigrants. There is a HUGE difference.

 

[cutter]

It doesn't matter who gets the jobs. We need to think about what fuels the illegal immigration and the financial crisis. Like what Ron Paul said about starving the illegal immigrants in the debates, we do not need fences as much as we need to end the welfare, free healthcare, free education, and birthright.

We are all immigrants.

Except for the native Americans.

BUT we weren't all illegal, and that's the difference. People that come to this country with no respect for out laws are not and never will be welcome. All LEGAL immigrants are welcome with open arms, all others GO HOME.

 

[cutter]

You can't blame Texas for the problem when the Federal Gov. refuses to do their job and enforce immigration laws. If Texas had tried to fix the problem they would be getting sued like Arizona.

 

[The T]

You can't blame Texas for the problem when the Federal Gov. refuses to do their job and enforce immigration laws. If Texas had tried to fix the problem they would be getting sued like Arizona.

Give Obama and Holder time to formulate a response...

They will find something to pin on Perry.

 

[Xchel]

I don't care what you think Ron Paul's position on the situation is as you are utterly wrong. Ron Paul talks about the magnets that draw illegal’s here, like Health care, education, parks, housing and tax free jobs and so on.

here are some Ron Paul quotes for you to think about..

Q: Why are you opposed to a system that requires employers to verify the immigration status of their workers?
A: I don't like putting the burden on our businessmen to be the policemen.

Do not, however, punish employers for not enforcing immigration laws themselves. No citizenship for current illegal immigrants, but grant them some sort of "in-between status," which he grants might be problematic but he sees as better than trying to ship millions of them out.

Ron Paul: Soft on Immigration? - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

 

[VaYank5150]

You can't blame Texas for the problem when the Federal Gov. refuses to do their job and enforce immigration laws. If Texas had tried to fix the problem they would be getting sued like Arizona.

So....instead, Texas compounds the problem by granting illegal immigrants Government assistance to pay for college? Really? THAT is the platform Perry wants to run on?

 

[Xchel]

You can't blame Texas for the problem when the Federal Gov. refuses to do their job and enforce immigration laws. If Texas had tried to fix the problem they would be getting sued like Arizona.

So....instead, Texas compunds the problem by granting illegal immigrants Government assistance to pay for college? Really? THAT is the platform Perry wants to run on?

there is no government assistance to pay for college by granting in state tuition you still PAY to go to college you just pay the in state rate...it is still rather expensive. The reason...well because Shirlock they went to high school in Texas and are a resident of the state because they live there dammit...you are a resident of the place where you live regardless of your immigration status.

 

[VaYank5150]

You can't blame Texas for the problem when the Federal Gov. refuses to do their job and enforce immigration laws. If Texas had tried to fix the problem they would be getting sued like Arizona.

So....instead, Texas compunds the problem by granting illegal immigrants Government assistance to pay for college? Really? THAT is the platform Perry wants to run on?

there is no government assistance to pay for college by granting in state tuition you still PAY to go to college you just pay the in state rate...it is still rather expensive. The reason...well because Shirlock they went to high school in Texas and are a resident of the state because they live there dammit...you are a resident of the place where you live regardless of your immigration status.

REALLY? So exactly how would an illegal alien fill out the Residency Questionaire?
http://www.uta.edu/admissions/_downloads/general/new_core_residency_questions.pdf

 

[Sunshine]

So what is wrong with importing the food if we cannot legally produce it here, at a price we as consumers are willing to pay? We have basically done that with every other consumable product, already?

1/5 of all oil we import goes into food production. This is insane, and you want to add to that? Why on earth would you want to be dependent on a foreign country for your sustenance? What we need is for our government to tell big agra to shove it and subsidize small local high yield sustainable farms instead. Not only will it cut down on oil, but will be healthier than pesticide soaked veggies loaded with chemical fertilizer and very few nutrients. Industrialized farming is killing us. AND this creates many, many jobs in every arable community in this country.

Where I live is an agricultural area. Hate to break it to you, but they use chemicals on the crops here too!

 

[Xchel]

simple, the answer to are you a citizen of the US or a perm resident is no. Answer to number two would be no. number 3 depending on status could be yes or no. Remember that those with TPS were not eligible either even though they were technically legal they weren't perm residents. The second part if they already were attending a university would be yes if not then no ...
Number 2 they would give the Texas high school they attended or the university.
number 3 what terms they were enrolled if any would be answered.
number 4 they would indicate if they paid in state or out of state tuition.
number 5. they would answer resident of state of Texas or non resident with waiver or unknown

Residency claim if they live in Texas and went to high school in Texas for three years then they would answer yes to resident of Texas.

none of those things in the questionaire make it seem so difficult that it cannot be answered..why would you seem to think it is difficult? or that questionaire would somehow disqualify them?

 

[Xchel]

So what is wrong with importing the food if we cannot legally produce it here, at a price we as consumers are willing to pay? We have basically done that with every other consumable product, already?

1/5 of all oil we import goes into food production. This is insane, and you want to add to that? Why on earth would you want to be dependent on a foreign country for your sustenance? What we need is for our government to tell big agra to shove it and subsidize small local high yield sustainable farms instead. Not only will it cut down on oil, but will be healthier than pesticide soaked veggies loaded with chemical fertilizer and very few nutrients. Industrialized farming is killing us. AND this creates many, many jobs in every arable community in this country.

Where I live is an agricultural area. Hate to break it to you, but they use chemicals on the crops here too!

yes, but they use those that are approved for use in agriculture...those outside the country aren't bound to that same restriction.

 

[FA_Q2]

You can't blame Texas for the problem when the Federal Gov. refuses to do their job and enforce immigration laws. If Texas had tried to fix the problem they would be getting sued like Arizona.

So....instead, Texas compunds the problem by granting illegal immigrants Government assistance to pay for college? Really? THAT is the platform Perry wants to run on?

there is no government assistance to pay for college by granting in state tuition you still PAY to go to college you just pay the in state rate...it is still rather expensive. The reason...well because Shirlock they went to high school in Texas and are a resident of the state because they live there dammit...you are a resident of the place where you live regardless of your immigration status.

Is the difference from the out of state and instate tuition covered by state subsidy? If not, why is there a difference in the first place?

 

[Samson]

Study: Most new Texas jobs went to immigrants | Campaign 2012

Why is our government STILL bringing in 1.5 MILLION foreign workers a year?
Welcome to the Coalition for the Future American Worker

Hmmmm...

The report estimates that about 40 percent of the new jobs were taken by illegal immigrants, while 40 percent were taken by legal immigrants. The vast majority of both groups, legal and illegal, were not American citizens

Wasn't nearly everyone in the USA legal immigrants or their progeny?

How is data taken on illegal immigration employment?

Why does it matter who filled positions for new jobs? NEW JOBS WERE CREATED: PERIOD.

CA, NY, or MA could have dones the same, but didn't.

 

[freedombecki]

Study: Most new Texas jobs went to immigrants | Campaign 2012

Why is our government STILL bringing in 1.5 MILLION foreign workers a year?
Welcome to the Coalition for the Future American Worker

Hmmmm...

The report estimates that about 40 percent of the new jobs were taken by illegal immigrants, while 40 percent were taken by legal immigrants. The vast majority of both groups, legal and illegal, were not American citizens

Wasn't nearly everyone in the USA legal immigrants or their progeny?

How is data taken on illegal immigration employment?

Why does it matter who filled positions for new jobs? NEW JOBS WERE CREATED: PERIOD.

CA, NY, or MA could have dones the same, but didn't.

Nothing like having the voice of reason speak, so thank you Samson.

Also, the immigrants bring needs for private sector jobs as well as more executive and advanced pay jobs--teachers, policemen, firemen, grocers, counselors, and they earn their own way. They serve in restaurants, fast food places, automechanics, and as interpreters. They go for practical nursing jobs, health care, military service, and all-around regular jobs. They bring with them a love for the fine arts, architecture, history, textiles, music, and horticulture.

They are beneficial people, hard-working, and if we're smart, we'll help them assimilate. If we're stupid, it won't be pretty.

 

[Londoner]

Doesn't anybody remember the 70's?

The problem faced by American capital was the cost of American labor, which was significantly higher than 3rd world sweatshop labor. [Do you know what would happen to Nike profits if they could not manufacture their sneaks for pennies?]

Please realize: the American middle class during the Cold War expected to live good lives and send their children to college. They about family values, that is, they wanted the father to make enough money so that the mother could stay at home and raise the kids. Capital didn't care about family values - it wanted lower labor costs.

So what did capital do? (Answer: it took over a political party)

It invested heavily in Ronald Reagan, who was sent to Washington to give business lower operating costs so that it could compete globally and give shareholders higher returns. Part of giving capital lower operating costs meant lowering labor costs. This is why Reagan busted unions and drew up the blue prints to NAFTA and globalism - so that capital could seek cheaper operating costs in places like Mexico and Taiwan (i.e., countries which had cheap labor and no environmental regulations, i.e., places lead by dictators who did not force corporations to protect drinking water supplies, etc)

But Reagan did something else to give American Capital cheaper labor costs. He signed the largest Amnesty Bill in this country's history. He flooded states like California with cheap Mexican labor in order to break the union control of labor.

Reagan opened the border because it was good for capital, which wants the cheapest operating conditions.

When will Republicans get it? Their leaders have always sided with Capital's need for cheap labor over both the Constitution and the country's desire to preserve "Borders, Language, Culture".

Why are Republican voters and Tea Party members so easy to fool? Why do they trust their party so much? (For all their blather about not trusting government, they seem to trust their government heroes more than any single group. Please recall that the Left stood up to LBJ and his war. They prevented him form a second term, even if it meant Nixon. The Right, on the other hand, idolizes their government leaders. They would never move against a sitting Republican president. They LOVED Reagan regardless of his destructive immigration policies. They would never rebel against Dear Leader. When Bush asked them to support a war which lead to election of Obama, they fell in line . . . like they always do. They love and trust their big government leaders as a rule)

 

[Xchel]

So....instead, Texas compunds the problem by granting illegal immigrants Government assistance to pay for college? Really? THAT is the platform Perry wants to run on?

there is no government assistance to pay for college by granting in state tuition you still PAY to go to college you just pay the in state rate...it is still rather expensive. The reason...well because Shirlock they went to high school in Texas and are a resident of the state because they live there dammit...you are a resident of the place where you live regardless of your immigration status.

Is the difference from the out of state and instate tuition covered by state subsidy? If not, why is there a difference in the first place?

nope it isn't.

 

[Zona]

It doesn't matter who gets the jobs. We need to think about what fuels the illegal immigration and the financial crisis. Like what Ron Paul said about starving the illegal immigrants in the debates, we do not need fences as much as we need to end the welfare, free healthcare, free education, and birthright.

We are all immigrants.

Except for the native Americans.

Well technically you are correct, but there is only one race who were "asked" to come here on slave ships.

 

[FA_Q2]

there is no government assistance to pay for college by granting in state tuition you still PAY to go to college you just pay the in state rate...it is still rather expensive. The reason...well because Shirlock they went to high school in Texas and are a resident of the state because they live there dammit...you are a resident of the place where you live regardless of your immigration status.

Is the difference from the out of state and instate tuition covered by state subsidy? If not, why is there a difference in the first place?

nope it isn't.

But that is not entirely true. The state does support those schools through taxes. The subsidy may not be a per student subsidy but there IS a subsidy none the less provided through the taxes collected by the state. Sales tax and property tax may still be paid by an illegal alien but income taxes are not. So, in a way, they are collecting a compensation that they did not pay for unless income taxes within that state do not contribute to that subsidy.

 

[freedombecki]

Doesn't anybody remember the 70's?

The problem faced by American capital was the cost of American labor, which was paid significantly more than 3rd world sweatshops. Capital wanted a higher return on investment than they could get by using expensive American labor. Capital wanted the kind of cheap labor found in dictator-run 3rd world countries with oppressed labor forces, making pennies a day. Let's be clear: Capital is beholden to shareholders not workers, who are an expense - and in the 70s, the expense of American labor had grown too high. Please realize: Cold War workers expected to live good lives and send their children to college. Cold War Americans cared about family values, that is, they wanted the father to make enough money so that the mother could stay at home and raise the kids. Capital didn't care about family values - it wanted lower labor costs.

So what did capital do?

It invested heavily in Ronald Reagan, who was sent to Washington to give business lower operating costs so that it could compete globally and give shareholders higher returns. Part of giving capital lower operating costs meant lowering labor costs. This is why Reagan busted unions and drew up the blue prints to NAFTA and globalism - so that capital could seek cheaper operating costs in places like Mexico and Taiwan (i.e., countries which had cheap labor and no environmental regulations, i.e., places lead by dictators who did not force corporations to protect drinking water supplies, etc)

But Reagan did something else to give American Capital cheaper labor costs. He signed the largest Amnesty Bill in this country's history. He flooded states like California with cheap Mexican labor in order to break the union control of labor.

Reagan opened the border because it was good for capital, which wants the cheapest operating conditions.

When will Republicans get it? Their leaders have always sided with Capital's need for cheap labor over both the Constitution and the country's desire to preserve "Borders, Language, Culture".

Why are Republican voters and Tea Party members so easy to fool? Why do they trust their party so much? (For all their blather about not trusting government, they seem to trust their government heroes more than any single group. Please recall that the Left stood up to LBJ and his war. They prevented him form a second term, even if it meant Nixon. The Right, on the other hand, idolizes their government leaders. They would never move against a sitting Republican president. They LOVED Reagan regardless of his destructive immigration policies. They would never rebel against Dear Leader. When Bush asked them to support a war which lead to election of Obama, they fell in line . . . like they always do. They love and trust their big government leaders as a rule)

We love and trust our leaders?

And you sent Queen Elizabeth and family back to Scotland in what year?

 

[Unkotare]

You can't blame Texas for the problem when the Federal Gov. refuses to do their job and enforce immigration laws. If Texas had tried to fix the problem they would be getting sued like Arizona.

So....instead, Texas compunds the problem by granting illegal immigrants Government assistance to pay for college? Really? THAT is the platform Perry wants to run on?

there is no government assistance to pay for college by granting in state tuition you still PAY to go to college you just pay the in state rate...it is still rather expensive. The reason...well because Shirlock they went to high school in Texas and are a resident of the state because they live there dammit...you are a resident of the place where you live regardless of your immigration status.

So if someone sneaks into your house and hides in your basement for a few months they can legitimately claim your address as their "residence"? They live there, dammit!