Stolen Valor

[Intense]

still waiting for intense to man up.

::yawn::

Not to my understanding. I believe You have Your facts wrong. Kerry released selective documents. Bush had everything out there. You all used that against him throughout both terms. Show where Kerry signed form 1080.

and I am quite sure that you have your facts wrong. Kerry signed an SF180. That's a fact. Bush, on the other hand, DID have a web site with all sorts of documents on it, but it was hardly all-inclusive. Like I said, he disobeyed a direct order to report for a flight physical. An officer disobeys a direct order, and SOMETHING goes in his record, guaranteed... but NADA in the records that Dubya selectively released.

edit: as per your request:

Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records - The Boston Globe

On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

Many of the records contain praise for Kerry's service. For example, the documents quote Kerry's former commanding officers as saying he is ''one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;" is ''the acknowledged leader of his peer group;" and is ''highly recommended for promotion."

now...admit that you were wrong...

You first have to have had to assume that I was on-line, aware of your post, and having been consciously avoiding it, which was not the case. Sort of hit's Me like You have an issue with premature ejaculation. Get it? Good. Kerry was born and raised a Sleaze. He will probably die a sleaze. His problem is not Political, His problem is with Truth and Credibility, and generally finding a fall guy or someone to blame. Maybe you could find Someone more honorable to support. May I suggest Leon Panetta.

 

[SFC Ollie]

whether YOU disagree with the awards board that awarded Kerry a silver star and a bronze star is completely irrelevant. SInce when do E-7's get to decide when officers have earned such awards?

and no thoughts on Bush disobeying a direct order?

I understand.

You understand very little, and are blinded by your bias. See the highlighted section? And I have no knowledge of Bush disobeying an order. Were you there? Have you seen the documentation? Me neither.

I am not about to spend my saturday morning googling so that you can see what everyone already saw years ago. Bush was given orders to report for his annual flight physical... interestingly enough, it was, as I recall, the first flight physical where the military would be doing drug testing as an integral part thereof...and Bush failed to report, and NONE of the documentation that Dubya posted on the internet had a THING to do with that order or any fallout that occured when he failed to carry that order out.

Facts are tough aren't they. As I remember the end result of it all Bush was never charged with failure to obey an order, he was never charged with AWOL, he completed all the flight time that his contract called for, before he was removed from flight status. And at that time he was attached to a Unit that didn't even have f102's for him to fly in.

But regardless, Bush is now history, and he never claimed a medal he didn't receive or faked being in the Military. And no matter what I think of Kerry I will say the same thing about him.
But neither of them are the point here.
The point is that a law was passed about those who pretend to be a veteran or a medal holder who aren't and the ACLU defending them and attempting to overthrow that law.

Why is it you always have to fight me even when the subject isn't or shouldn't be political? If I say red you will always say blue. Did you always hate NCO's or is it the gay military thing?

 

[maineman]

You understand very little, and are blinded by your bias. See the highlighted section? And I have no knowledge of Bush disobeying an order. Were you there? Have you seen the documentation? Me neither.

I am not about to spend my saturday morning googling so that you can see what everyone already saw years ago. Bush was given orders to report for his annual flight physical... interestingly enough, it was, as I recall, the first flight physical where the military would be doing drug testing as an integral part thereof...and Bush failed to report, and NONE of the documentation that Dubya posted on the internet had a THING to do with that order or any fallout that occured when he failed to carry that order out.

Facts are tough aren't they. As I remember the end result of it all Bush was never charged with failure to obey an order, he was never charged with AWOL, he completed all the flight time that his contract called for, before he was removed from flight status. And at that time he was attached to a Unit that didn't even have f102's for him to fly in.

But regardless, Bush is now history, and he never claimed a medal he didn't receive or faked being in the Military. And no matter what I think of Kerry I will say the same thing about him.
But neither of them are the point here.
The point is that a law was passed about those who pretend to be a veteran or a medal holder who aren't and the ACLU defending them and attempting to overthrow that law.

Why is it you always have to fight me even when the subject isn't or shouldn't be political? If I say red you will always say blue. Did you always hate NCO's or is it the gay military thing?

I NEVER said Bush was charged with anything. Don't you find THAT fact, in itself, disturbing? Don't you think that ANYONE in uniform who disobeys a direct order should receive some punishment? OR do you think that the fact that your daddy is well connected is reason enough to NOT have to worry about such trivial matters? What would YOU expect to happen to an SFC if he or she directly disobeyed an order to report for an annula physical?

And again... I do not think a LAW is what is needed. If someone fraudulently claims to be the recipient of a valorous medal, then society should condemn them and ostracize them. If they attempt to make such a fraudulent claim in an effort to gain some financial advantage or an advantage in the workplace, they should be punished for fraud.

 

[maineman]

still waiting for intense to man up.

::yawn::

and I am quite sure that you have your facts wrong. Kerry signed an SF180. That's a fact. Bush, on the other hand, DID have a web site with all sorts of documents on it, but it was hardly all-inclusive. Like I said, he disobeyed a direct order to report for a flight physical. An officer disobeys a direct order, and SOMETHING goes in his record, guaranteed... but NADA in the records that Dubya selectively released.

edit: as per your request:

Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records - The Boston Globe

On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

Many of the records contain praise for Kerry's service. For example, the documents quote Kerry's former commanding officers as saying he is ''one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;" is ''the acknowledged leader of his peer group;" and is ''highly recommended for promotion."

now...admit that you were wrong...

You first have to have had to assume that I was on-line, aware of your post, and having been consciously avoiding it, which was not the case. Sort of hit's Me like You have an issue with premature ejaculation. Get it? Good. Kerry was born and raised a Sleaze. He will probably die a sleaze. His problem is not Political, His problem is with Truth and Credibility, and generally finding a fall guy or someone to blame. Maybe you could find Someone more honorable to support. May I suggest Leon Panetta.

I have to assume nothing of the sort. I merely have to look at post #36.

 

[JW Frogen]

I think in retrospect Kerry would have been a very poor President, too indecisive and lacking in core political direction, but he did put his hand up and he voluntarily went to Nam.

The US owes him and everyone else who did that an eternal thank you.

Not the Presidency, but a thank you.

 

[Douger]

Let's get Bush while we're at it " I've been to war"

 

[editec]

It is being challenged now in federal court. Xavier Alvarez, a California man convicted in 2007 of falsely claiming to be a decorated Marine, is asking the U.S. Court of Appeals to overturn the conviction and rule the Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional. A ruling could come at any time.

Stolen Valor: Challenges to Fake Medals Met with Criticism - ABC News


I understand that there are 3 separate cases where the ACLU is trying to get the law overturned.

What say you Veterans? Is falsely claiming medals or service within the 1st amendment rights?

Pillory the bastards in the public square for a while, then hang them.

Put their heads on pikes in front of public memorials to this nation's fallen and let the crows peck them clean.

And then...if they get caught doing it again?

Then it's time to take off the kid-gloves and really come down hard on them.

 

[Intense]

still waiting for intense to man up.

::yawn::

You first have to have had to assume that I was on-line, aware of your post, and having been consciously avoiding it, which was not the case. Sort of hit's Me like You have an issue with premature ejaculation. Get it? Good. Kerry was born and raised a Sleaze. He will probably die a sleaze. His problem is not Political, His problem is with Truth and Credibility, and generally finding a fall guy or someone to blame. Maybe you could find Someone more honorable to support. May I suggest Leon Panetta.

I have to assume nothing of the sort. I merely have to look at post #36.

My reference wasn't to post #36. The Swifty Book was written and Published prior to Kerry signing Form #180. The reference was to a post where You complained about Me not responding in a timely matter? What happened to that Post?

 

[Intense]

Guy's, what's your position on plagiarism? Slap on the Wrist?
How about falsification of College Records? Credentials?
What if My Surgeon never went to Med School?
If My Contractor lied about being Licensed and having Insurance?
Where does One draw such a convoluted line?
Must We always first consider who the Perpetrator is related to and Who will be offended before making a Judgement.
Was Justice meant to be Blind or Impartial? You can't have both.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It is being challenged now in federal court. Xavier Alvarez, a California man convicted in 2007 of falsely claiming to be a decorated Marine, is asking the U.S. Court of Appeals to overturn the conviction and rule the Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional. A ruling could come at any time.

Stolen Valor: Challenges to Fake Medals Met with Criticism - ABC News


I understand that there are 3 separate cases where the ACLU is trying to get the law overturned.

What say you Veterans? Is falsely claiming medals or service within the 1st amendment rights?

Pretending to be a decorated soldier? He should have "moron" tattooed across his forehead.

Sometimes, the ACLU takes up a case because the law may not be completely clear. I know Republicans scream their hatred for the ACLU, but half of all their cases support Republicans. Even Sean Hannity was represented by the ACLU.

News Hounds: Sean Hannity Omits Key Details Of Past Job Dismissal ? And ACLU Assistance!

Speaking of fake medals.

Where exactly in that picture is a FAKE Medal you RETARD?

 

[Intense]

In all fairness, Anyone thinking that the Law is unfair, try reading "Stolen Valor". See how You feel half way through.

 

[maineman]

You first have to have had to assume that I was on-line, aware of your post, and having been consciously avoiding it, which was not the case. Sort of hit's Me like You have an issue with premature ejaculation. Get it? Good. Kerry was born and raised a Sleaze. He will probably die a sleaze. His problem is not Political, His problem is with Truth and Credibility, and generally finding a fall guy or someone to blame. Maybe you could find Someone more honorable to support. May I suggest Leon Panetta.

I have to assume nothing of the sort. I merely have to look at post #36.

My reference wasn't to post #36. The Swifty Book was written and Published prior to Kerry signing Form #180. The reference was to a post where You complained about Me not responding in a timely matter? What happened to that Post?

I wrote that post AFTER you wrote #36. I did not have to assume that you were online and aware of my post, you had posted in this thread after that.

I understand that you have swiftie jizz dripping off your chin, and if I thought it would do any good, I would categorically prove to you how their two biggest "stars" are complete and PROVEN liars, but the point here was: you said that Kerry had not signed his SF180 and I proved you wrong... and then I waited for you to be a man and admit it... but you subsequently posted on this thread without doing so... then and only then did I point out that I was still waiting for a demonstration of your integrity... now, you've made it perfectly clear that it was silly of me to spend anytime waiting for THAT... so, you can run along now.

 

[Intense]

still waiting for intense to man up.

::yawn::

Not to my understanding. I believe You have Your facts wrong. Kerry released selective documents. Bush had everything out there. You all used that against him throughout both terms. Show where Kerry signed form 1080.

and I am quite sure that you have your facts wrong. Kerry signed an SF180. That's a fact. Bush, on the other hand, DID have a web site with all sorts of documents on it, but it was hardly all-inclusive. Like I said, he disobeyed a direct order to report for a flight physical. An officer disobeys a direct order, and SOMETHING goes in his record, guaranteed... but NADA in the records that Dubya selectively released.

edit: as per your request:

Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records - The Boston Globe

On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

Many of the records contain praise for Kerry's service. For example, the documents quote Kerry's former commanding officers as saying he is ''one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;" is ''the acknowledged leader of his peer group;" and is ''highly recommended for promotion."

now...admit that you were wrong...

This is the Post Fuck Tard. Excuse Me if I have zero interest in watching You fight Your way out of a paper bag.

 

[Intense]

Fair Enough. I was wrong about Kerry signing the Standard Form #180. I think I had already given up on it at the time.



August 20, 2004, 10:31 a.m.
Sunshine Policy
John Kerry should sign an SF 180.



Thanks to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Senator John Kerry's Vietnam sojourn faces fresh scrutiny. Kerry can easily answer their claims that he has exaggerated or falsified details of his four months in combat: He should sign the Pentagon's Standard Form 180 to assure that his military records are fully public. Total transparency would help voters decide if Kerry should become commander-in-chief.

In a May 4 open letter, just under 200 of Kerry's fellow Swift Boat veterans urged him to instruct the Navy to release his "complete and unaltered" military records. "We believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war," read the letter, signed by Democrats, Republicans, and independents. "Permit the American public the opportunity to assess your military performance upon the record, and not upon campaign rhetoric."

Regnery's best-selling book, Unfit for Command, by John O'Neill and Jerome Corsi, identifies several mysteries that Kerry's unabridged military documents could solve. Among them:

Dr. Louis Letson used tweezers to pull a splinter of shrapnel from Kerry's left arm on December 3, 1968. The next day, with a Band-Aid upon his elbow, Kerry applied for a Purple Heart.

"The scratch didn't look like much to me; I've seen worse injuries from a rose thorn," Commander Grant Hibbard says in Unfit for Command. "Kerry didn't get my signature. I said 'no way' and told him to get out of my office."

How did Kerry score a Purple Heart after Hibbard's rejection? The paperwork that could explain this anomaly, the Swiftees say, contains gaps.

Did Kerry willfully venture five miles into Cambodia that December 24, as he claimed for decades; carelessly straddle the "watery borders between Vietnam and Cambodia," as Kerry's campaign suggested last August 11; or merely relax 50 miles away in Sa Dec, South Vietnam, as his contemporaneous journal indicates? "No snow, no sleighs, no fat jolly Santa Claus with frosted lips," Kerry wrote home that evening. "It's Christmas Eve." Records could settle this.

Kerry won a Silver Star for a February 28, 1969, mission in which his supporters say he led an attack on a Viet Cong stronghold and, according to his commendation, neutralized a "numerically superior force in the face of intense fire." Swiftees say he followed another boat's lead and merely shot a single, wounded Viet Cong guerrilla in the back. O'Neill and Corsi write that the actual after-action report that could resolve this dispute is not among the documents on Kerry's website.

For its part, Kerry-Edwards says it has been open. "We had requested the entire military record from the U.S. Navy, and we took those records and put them on the World Wide Web at johnkerry.com," spokesman Chad Clanton insists by phone.

Clanton's statement may be perfectly valid, but how can anyone know for sure, any more than Americans can be perfectly confident about President Bush's also reputedly public service records? An SF 180 autographed by John Kerry indisputably will show that the Navy has disgorged itself of every paper bearing his name. The SF 180 also could free anything still lodged among the Pentagon's papers that a less formal "request" might have missed. What's good for the donkey is good for the elephant: Bush should sign an SF 180, too.

The SF 180 can be downloaded at www.vetrecs.archives.gov or faxed on demand via 301-837-0990 (request document 2255). Concerned Americans can generate SF 180s and personally hand them to Senator Kerry as he campaigns. This will give him multiple opportunities to bring a verifiable measure of openness to this issue.

The fog of war and clouded memories both raise questions about who may be right on these matters, although many more Swiftees contradict rather than confirm Kerry's accounts. It also could be, as Rashomon teaches cinematically, that the same event viewed by different people from various angles can yield sincere but conflicting recollections.

There is a straightforward way to judge whether Kerry is correct, forgetful, or a talented teller of tall tales. John Kerry himself can answer many of these questions by signing Standard Form 180 to demonstrate that his whole record is open and untouched. As August's bright days prove, sunshine is the best disinfectant.

Deroy Murdock on Swift Boat Veterans on National Review Online




Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records
Show numerous commendations
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.

The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions. An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service. Indeed, one of the first actions of the group that came to be known as Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was to call on Kerry to sign a privacy waiver and release all of his military and medical records.

But Kerry refused, even though it turned out that the records included commendations from some of the same veterans who were criticizing him.

On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

Many of the records contain praise for Kerry's service. For example, the documents quote Kerry's former commanding officers as saying he is ''one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;" is ''the acknowledged leader of his peer group;" and is ''highly recommended for promotion."

Kerry's refusal to waive privacy restrictions dates back to at least May 2003, when the Globe asked in writing for Kerry to sign the Form 180. As questions were raised about various actions in Vietnam, the Kerry campaign gradually released documents last year, but had not authorized the release of the entire file until now.

In April 2004, Kerry said he had already released his military records. ''I've shown them, they're available for you to come and look at," Kerry said in a television interview. But when a reporter showed up at campaign headquarters, he was told that no new records would be released. That prompted a flood of Republican criticism, and the campaign responded by gradually releasing more military records on its website. Kerry then released his ''fitness reports" -- evaluations by commanding officers -- on April 21, 2004.

Two days later, the campaign allowed some reporters to view Kerry's medical record but did not allow copies to be made and did not post that information online.

By signing Form 180 now, Kerry may hope to achieve several goals: settle the question of whether there is an explosive document in the file; put pressure on critics to release their military records; and try to put to rest an issue that dogged his 2004 campaign and would probably come up again if he seeks the presidency in 2008.

The file does not provide new documents about various combat actions. It contains mostly a repetition of Kerry's citations for the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. For example, it does not include the combat ''after action reports" that detail what happened in some of the firefights in which Kerry participated. Those reports are available for public inspection at the Navy historical center in Washington and have already been widely disseminated.

John O'Neill, the leader of the Swift Boat veterans group and coauthor of the book ''Unfit for Command," said yesterday that he would be disappointed if Kerry's files do not contain new information. ''I would still have the same beliefs expressed in my book," he said.

O'Neill, who said he has already authorized the release of his records, has questioned a number of Kerry's combat actions involving the first Purple Heart, the Silver Star, and the Bronze Star.

For example, Kerry received his first Purple Heart for action on Dec. 2, 1968. Kerry told historian Douglas Brinkley that ''I never saw where the piece of shrapnel had come from." Kerry's critics have questioned whether the wound came from enemy fire, and his former commanding officer said the wound resembled a ''scratch." The file includes a previously reported reference to Kerry being treated for the wound and that he was awarded the Purple Heart, but it does not address the details of the combat that night. No after-action report for the incident has been found.

Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records - The Boston Globe




Kerry signs SF-180 form
By Michelle Malkin • May 24, 2005 07:40 AM During an interview yesterday with Boston Globe editorial writers and columnists, John Kerry said he signed Form SF 180. The form will be sent to the U.S. Navy within the next few days.

Globe columnist Joan Vennochi writes:

During an interview yesterday with Globe editorial writers and columnists, the former Democratic presidential nominee was asked if had signed Form SF 180, authorizing the Department of Defense to grant access to all his military records.

”I have signed it,” Kerry said. Then, he added that his staff was ‘’still going through it” and ”very, very shortly, you will have a chance to see it.”

The devil is usually in the details. With Kerry, it’s also in the dodges and digressions. After the interview, Kerry’s communications director, David Wade, was asked to clarify when Kerry signed SF 180 and when public access would be granted. Kerry drifted over to join the conversation, immediately raising the confusion level. He did not answer the question of when he signed the form or when the entire record will be made public.

Several e-mails later, Wade conveyed the following information: On Friday, May 20, Kerry obtained a copy of Form 180 and signed it. ”The next step is to send it to the Navy, which will happen in the next few days. The Navy will then send out the records,” e-mailed Wade. Kerry first said he would sign Form 180 when pressed by Tim Russert during a Jan. 30 appearance on ”Meet the Press.”
Last summer, “Unfit for Command” author John O’Neill said if Kerry signed SF-180, reporters or anyone else could obtain all of Kerry’s military records from DoD. “If he executes Standard Form 180, he would no longer be the gatekeeper, the gatekeeper would be the U.S. military,” he told the Washington Times.

Background:
- A copy of a blank SF-180 form is here (.pdf file)
- Though Kerry’s spokesman said the form will be sent to the Navy, National Archives seems to suggest it should be sent to the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis.
- How long will it take to process Kerry’s request? We may be waiting a few months:

Response times for records requested from the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) vary greatly depending on the nature of the request. For example, the NPRC Military Records Facility currently has a backlog of 180,000 requests and receives approximately 5,000 requests per day. Routine requests for separation documents currently require only 2-4 weeks for servicing. However, requests that involve reconstruction efforts due to the 1973 fire [ed. note: see here] or older records which require extensive search efforts may take much longer. The average turnaround time on all requests is currently running at approximately 12 weeks.
-The Swift Boat Vets first called on Kerry to sign the SF-180 form on May 4, 2004: “[W]e the undersigned formally request that you authorize the Department of the Navy to independently release your military records (through your execution of Standard Form 180), complete and unaltered, including your military medical records.”

- On August 18, 2004, the Washington Times reported that the Kerry campaign said it had released all of Kerry’s war records to the public:

“Senator Kerry’s entire military service record is posted on JohnKerry.com. His entire record,” said Michael Meehan, adviser for communications to the campaign, at a press conference called to defend Mr. Kerry against recent charges that the former Navy lieutenant didn’t deserve some of his war decorations – three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star.
- Deroy Murdock was one of the first columnists to call on Kerry to sign the SF-180 form.

- PoliPundit kept the pressure up this spring with the SF-180 clock.

Update: Ed Morrissey says that even after signing the SF 180 form, Kerry need not release his military records to the public:

t could be a cold day in Hell before all or any of it gets released to the media. In fact, Kerry could argue that signing it was all he agreed to do. When, he could say, did I commit to sending it to the Navy? You FOOLS! Mwa-HAHAHAHA!

All kidding aside, Kerry only agreed to sign off on the SF-180. He didn’t agree to release every document that results from that request. The SF-180 will only release the information to Kerry, who can then cull the material for anything embarrassing before making it public.
This contradicts what John O’Neill said last summer. As I noted above, O’Neill said that once the SF-180 is signed and executed, anyone can obtain all of Kerry’s records directly from DoD. Either O’Neill was right or Morrissey is right, but not both. I’m sure the blogosphere will quickly figure it out.

Update II: Mark Coffey suggests a new Kerry clock.

Update III: N.Z. Bear asks a good question.

Michelle Malkin Kerry signs SF-180 form

This You evidently missed?

 

[jillian]

I would say that the people who died to defend the bill of rights might be sickened by the abuse the stolen valor law heaps on that bill.

Yes, falsely claiming you are a decorated combat vet is pathetic, but then the exposure itself should be humiliating. No one who falsely claims to have earned medal can cry foul when mocked after it is shown they are a fraud. That should be the punishment, not more legal repression by the central government.

I agree.

I wish you military guys would drive US Army Retired off the board, what a phony fuck he is.

I know... for some reason, none of them say anything to 'him'.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I would say that the people who died to defend the bill of rights might be sickened by the abuse the stolen valor law heaps on that bill.

Yes, falsely claiming you are a decorated combat vet is pathetic, but then the exposure itself should be humiliating. No one who falsely claims to have earned medal can cry foul when mocked after it is shown they are a fraud. That should be the punishment, not more legal repression by the central government.

I agree.

I wish you military guys would drive US Army Retired off the board, what a phony fuck he is.

I know... for some reason, none of them say anything to 'him'.

If I had any hint that he was not retired Army, I would be all over him like stink on shit. However, his actions may be distasteful to some he has never showed that he was not a veteran, At least I haven't had reason to doubt his claim.

 

[maineman]

still waiting for intense to man up.

::yawn::

and I am quite sure that you have your facts wrong. Kerry signed an SF180. That's a fact. Bush, on the other hand, DID have a web site with all sorts of documents on it, but it was hardly all-inclusive. Like I said, he disobeyed a direct order to report for a flight physical. An officer disobeys a direct order, and SOMETHING goes in his record, guaranteed... but NADA in the records that Dubya selectively released.

edit: as per your request:

Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records - The Boston Globe

On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

Many of the records contain praise for Kerry's service. For example, the documents quote Kerry's former commanding officers as saying he is ''one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;" is ''the acknowledged leader of his peer group;" and is ''highly recommended for promotion."

now...admit that you were wrong...

This is the Post Fuck Tard. Excuse Me if I have zero interest in watching You fight Your way out of a paper bag.

One time... just to clear this up for you, because you obviously are easily confused... here is a synopsis:

4/2 10:05AM Post #30 by ME... stating that Kerry HAD signed a SF180
4/2 10:12AM Post #31 by YOU... saying that I was wrong about that
4/2 4:29PM Post #33 by ME proving you wrong, asking you to be a man and admit it
4/2 9:30PM Post #36 by YOU completely ignoring post #33.
4/3 10:38AM Post #39 by ME announcing that I was still waiting for you to be a man
4/3 2:34PM Post #40 by YOU finally admitting that you had been wrong.

fight you way out of THAT paperbag, asshole.

 

[bodecea]

I agree.

I wish you military guys would drive US Army Retired off the board, what a phony fuck he is.

I know... for some reason, none of them say anything to 'him'.

If I had any hint that he was not retired Army, I would be all over him like stink on shit. However, his actions may be distasteful to some he has never showed that he was not a veteran, At least I haven't had reason to doubt his claim.

No you wouldn't...because you agree with him...you certainly don't put him on "Ignore" now, do you?

 

[SFC Ollie]

still waiting for intense to man up.

::yawn::

This is the Post Fuck Tard. Excuse Me if I have zero interest in watching You fight Your way out of a paper bag.

One time... just to clear this up for you, because you obviously are easily confused... here is a synopsis:

4/2 10:05AM Post #30 by ME... stating that Kerry HAD signed a SF180
4/2 10:12AM Post #31 by YOU... saying that I was wrong about that
4/2 4:29PM Post #33 by ME proving you wrong, asking you to be a man and admit it
4/2 9:30PM Post #36 by YOU completely ignoring post #33.
4/3 10:38AM Post #39 by ME announcing that I was still waiting for you to be a man
4/3 2:34PM Post #40 by YOU finally admitting that you had been wrong.

fight you way out of THAT paperbag, asshole.

Jeez, my dick is bigger than yours........Stupid shit.

 

[maineman]

This is the Post Fuck Tard. Excuse Me if I have zero interest in watching You fight Your way out of a paper bag.

One time... just to clear this up for you, because you obviously are easily confused... here is a synopsis:

4/2 10:05AM Post #30 by ME... stating that Kerry HAD signed a SF180
4/2 10:12AM Post #31 by YOU... saying that I was wrong about that
4/2 4:29PM Post #33 by ME proving you wrong, asking you to be a man and admit it
4/2 9:30PM Post #36 by YOU completely ignoring post #33.
4/3 10:38AM Post #39 by ME announcing that I was still waiting for you to be a man
4/3 2:34PM Post #40 by YOU finally admitting that you had been wrong.

fight you way out of THAT paperbag, asshole.

Jeez, my dick is bigger than yours........Stupid shit.

the point is: kerry signed his sf180.

As to this thread, let me say AGAIN: I don't think there should be a specific law covering the fraud of pretending to have earned medals of valor... regular fraud law would cover it, I would think.

and your self absorbed delusions as to your own penis size fall under the category of TMI, queerbait.