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CrusaderFrank

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How does this differ from ISIS desecrating statues that they don't like?
 

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FDR knowingly put a Klansman on SCOTUS, when do we take down everything FDR?
 

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FDR knowingly put a Klansman on SCOTUS, when do we take down everything FDR?

Democrats elected a known Klansman to office for over 60 years in Robert Byrd. While they'll say he denounced what he did, Byrd wasn't just some local that took part then decided to drop out, he recruited for the Klan. He was in a leadership role for the Klan.
 

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They could move that statue to my house. Apparently it's copper. :coffee:

You know what? There's a damn big difference between a statue of Roger Taney in Maryland and Robert E. Lee in Virginia.


Robert E. Lee gave his all for Virginia, taking a statue of him down there is a damn shame.
 
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How does this differ from ISIS desecrating statues that they don't like?
The statues desecrated by ISIS, whatever they were, weren't put up by ISIS; the democratically elected authority decided the statue's fate; the statue was put in storage. Three differences at least that I can see.
 

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But I'm sure your fascist fellow statue defenders appreciate your outrage...

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How does this differ from ISIS desecrating statues that they don't like?

ISIS was removing statues of historical importance that have been declared part of the UN Heritage sites, to start with.

They destroyed these statues for religous reasons.

We are removing them because they celebrate people who shouldn't be celebrated.
 

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They could move that statue to my house. Apparently it's copper. :coffee:

You know what? There's a damn big difference between a statue of Roger Taney in Maryland and Robert E. Lee in Virginia.


Robert E. Lee gave his all for Virginia, taking a statue of him down is a damn shame.

YOu mean he led a war that caused Virginia to be devastated for no good reason.

You see, if Lee really loved his state, he would have said, "Look y'all, the North dun-der has more factories, and railroads, and manpower and ships than we all have, and we be dun-der fighting for a truly repugnant cause that most of the world will have contempt for us for...and we are gonna dun-der get our asses taken out to the back of the outhouse and spanked."

But the dumb fuck didn't do that. Instead he went out and fought for slavery and Jesus and got his ass kicked.
 

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They could move that statue to my house. Apparently it's copper. :coffee:

You know what? There's a damn big difference between a statue of Roger Taney in Maryland and Robert E. Lee in Virginia.


Robert E. Lee gave his all for Virginia, taking a statue of him down is a damn shame.

YOu mean he led a war that caused Virginia to be devastated for no good reason.

You see, if Lee really loved his state, he would have said, "Look y'all, the North dun-der has more factories, and railroads, and manpower and ships than we all have, and we be dun-der fighting for a truly repugnant cause that most of the world will have contempt for us for...and we are gonna dun-der get our asses taken out to the back of the outhouse and spanked."

But the dumb fuck didn't do that. Instead he went out and fought for slavery and Jesus and got his ass kicked.

As always, seriously, without exception, you are wrong.

Yes, Lee led the Virginia army against Northern invaders. Virginia was invaded before Lee joined the war effort, and his loyalty was to Virginia first and foremost. If the Union army had taken a different path south, Lee would never have been involved in the Civil War.
 

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They could move that statue to my house. Apparently it's copper. :coffee:

You know what? There's a damn big difference between a statue of Roger Taney in Maryland and Robert E. Lee in Virginia.


Robert E. Lee gave his all for Virginia, taking a statue of him down is a damn shame.

YOu mean he led a war that caused Virginia to be devastated for no good reason.

You see, if Lee really loved his state, he would have said, "Look y'all, the North dun-der has more factories, and railroads, and manpower and ships than we all have, and we be dun-der fighting for a truly repugnant cause that most of the world will have contempt for us for...and we are gonna dun-der get our asses taken out to the back of the outhouse and spanked."

But the dumb fuck didn't do that. Instead he went out and fought for slavery and Jesus and got his ass kicked.


Because all of them are a part of American history. They are all a part of how we got where we are. And we should especially remember the bad. Removing these statues and monuments, removing things we don't like in our children's faux history books is like pretending none of it ever happened. There was no slavery, there was no fight in which the right side won.
Slavery does not define what America is. What defines our country is ALL of our history. How our country was continuously righting the wrongs, to be a better place.
Trying to erase the adversaries and issues we overcame erases the good we have done.

You are no better than other hate groups who over history destroyed monuments and burned books to force people to comply with what you want.
 
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As always, seriously, without exception, you are wrong.

Yes, Lee led the Virginia army against Northern invaders. Virginia was invaded before Lee joined the war effort, and his loyalty was to Virginia first and foremost. If the Union army had taken a different path south, Lee would never have been involved in the Civil War.

Virginia was in illegal rebellion. His duty as an army officer was to serve the union, not his state.

Lee was a traitor. You don't give traitors a statue because they felt they were justified.

Why not a statue to the Rosenbergs? They felt that the US couldn't be trusted with a monopoly on nukes because we'd probably abuse it.

Why not a statue to Snowden? Or Chelsea Manning? They thought they were right?

Shit, why not put up statues to Benedict Arnold? He won the battle at Saratoga!
 

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As always, seriously, without exception, you are wrong.

Yes, Lee led the Virginia army against Northern invaders. Virginia was invaded before Lee joined the war effort, and his loyalty was to Virginia first and foremost. If the Union army had taken a different path south, Lee would never have been involved in the Civil War.

Virginia was in illegal rebellion. His duty as an army officer was to serve the union, not his state.

Lee was a traitor. You don't give traitors a statue because they felt they were justified.

Why not a statue to the Rosenbergs? They felt that the US couldn't be trusted with a monopoly on nukes because we'd probably abuse it.

Why not a statue to Snowden? Or Chelsea Manning? They thought they were right?

Shit, why not put up statues to Benedict Arnold? He won the battle at Saratoga!

You are truly a ridiculous moron, have I told you that lately?
 

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Yes, Lee led the Virginia army against Northern invaders. Virginia was invaded before Lee joined the war effort, and his loyalty was to Virginia first and foremost. If the Union army had taken a different path south, Lee would never have been involved in the Civil War.
Interesting take on it. Does your narrative fit this history?

1861—April

General Winfield Scott offers Lee command of the Union Army

1861—April 17

The Virginia convention votes in favor of secession.

1861—April 22

Lee resigns from the United States Army.

1861—

Lee accepts command of the military and naval forces of Virginia. * Virginia state forces become part of the Confederate forces. * Lee is sent to defend western Virginia. * Lee purchases his famous warhorse, Traveller. * Lee is called to Richmond to serve as a military advisor to President Davis.

1862—June 1

Lee is given command of the Army of Northern Virginia after General Joseph Johnston is wounded.
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Education from LVA: "Federal troops marched into Hampton"

"On Thursday, May 31, 1861, the Norfolk Argus reported, "On Monday the Federal troops marched into Hampton." The Charleston (S.C.) Mercury reprinted the news item on June 1. Troops under the command of Benjamin Franklin Butler, a major general of volunteers, took possession of Hampton and Newport News on May 27–29, 1861. On May 30 the secretary of war of the United States ordered Butler to retain such fugitive slaves and refugees as came within his lines and employ them on the military installations."
 

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