So COVID was just the Flu?

[candycorn]

This has got to be one of the dumbest threads ever.


THIS JUST IN:

You can run multiple tests off of one sample!!!

 

[flacaltenn]

If you trace a line on "Thoughts of Covid vaccines" from

They saved us all ---------------------------------------------------------------------All jabbed will be dead soon

I'm much closer to right than left, but not ALL the way right. I don't think the shots will kill everyone nor even most people. But I would raise you much more. I say no one healthy under the age of 50 had any business taking these shots. The risk-benefit was too great.

It will all come out, but will take some time. Because propaganda and Moral Panics.

I get the general drift of your right leaning position here -- but -- "all would be dead soon" is a really nebulous time tick.

The RISKS were all in younger, reproducing people for vaccine reactions. You cant measure vaccine "mortality" in a Nursing home. (Although a couple idiot panels DID TRY THAT and wrote papers) because those people are ALL THERE (minus a small number of younger temp visitor) BECAUSE they probably will be dead soon.

If there were side effects "yet to be revealed" - they will be studied in the next decade. But you dont see MANY cases where "vax side effects" get reported or need medical attention much after a couple months. Because for FLU vaccines -- they all leave the blood after about 6 months or so and only "long term immunity memory" resides in the bone marrow.

 

[SweetSue92]

I get the general drift of your right leaning position here -- but -- "all would be dead soon" is a really nebulous time tick.

The RISKS were all in younger, reproducing people for vaccine reactions. You cant measure vaccine "mortality" in a Nursing home. (Although a couple idiot panels DID TRY THAT and wrote papers) because those people are ALL THERE (minus a small number of younger temp visitor) BECAUSE they probably will be dead soon.

If there were side effects "yet to be revealed" - they will be studied in the next decade. But you dont see MANY cases where "vax side effects" get reported or need medical attention much after a couple months. Because for FLU vaccines -- they all leave the blood after about 6 months or so and only "long term immunity memory" resides in the bone marrow.

Side effects in the first couple of months--probably true for most, and looks true anecdotally. But remember this vaccine "teaches your body to make the spike protein", and it's already been shown in some that this is a hard function to turn off. Moreover, the proteins were supposed to stay confined to the arm muscle, yet are found all over in important organs: spleen, liver, ovaries and etc.

 

[Skylar]

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[Skylar]

Side effects in the first couple of months--probably true for most, and looks true anecdotally. But remember this vaccine "teaches your body to make the spike protein", and it's already been shown in some that this is a hard function to turn off. Moreover, the proteins were supposed to stay confined to the arm muscle, yet are found all over in important organs: spleen, liver, ovaries and etc.

Alas, Herman Cain was spared those vaccine side effects.

 

[luiza]

FIRST AND LAST
SARS2 COVID 2 DOES NOT EXIST BECAUSE IT HAS NEVER BEEN ISOLATED .
It is not a novel virus but one which has been made synthetically .


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The United States Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in Atlanta has confirmed in writing they do not have any real-life, isolated, purified, sample of the SARS-CoV-2 Virus and cannot provide any records about that virus, which allegedly causes COVID-19.

Over the last several months Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests have been made to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) asking for evidence that CDC has isolated or purified the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

On June 7, 2021, the CDC confirmed (again) in writing they do not have any records showing they have ever isolated or purified the virus that allegedly causes the disease called COVID-19.



These written requests were made by Ms. Christine Massey to CDC/ATSDR FOIA Chief Officer Mr. Robert Andoh, to locate and deliver ANY records, research and/or findings for ANY “viral” isolation and purification (by anyone, anywhere, anytime in the World) from a patient sample, via maceration, filtration and/or the use of an ultracentrifuge . . . what is called the ‘Gold Standard’ for isolating and identifying a pathological micro or nana organism.

The ‘Gold Standard’ for isolating and identifying microbes are referred to as Koch’s and Rivers Postulates which was established many years ago for isolating bacteria (Koch) or Viral (Rivers) postulates.

Here is a side-by-side comparison of Koch’s Postulates and Rivers Postulates:

. However, using the above definition, common sense, the laws of logic and the dictates of science, any unbiased person must come to the conclusion that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has never been isolated or purified. As a result, no confirmation of the virus’ existence can be found. The logical, common sense, and scientific consequences of this fact are:

• the structure and composition of something not shown to exist can’t be known, including the presence, structure, and function of any hypothetical spike or other proteins;
• the genetic sequence of something that has never been found can’t be known;
• “variants” of something that hasn’t been shown to exist can’t be known;
• it’s impossible to demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 causes a disease called Covid-19.

In as concise terms as possible, here’s the proper way to isolate, characterize and demonstrate a new virus. First, one takes samples (blood, sputum, secretions) from many people (e.g. 500) with symptoms which are unique and specific enough to characterize an illness. Without mixing these samples with ANY tissue or products that also contain genetic material, the virologist macerates, filters and ultracentrifuges i.e. purifies the specimen. This common virology technique, done for decades to isolate bacteriophages1 and so-called giant viruses in every virology lab, then allows the virologist to demonstrate with electron microscopy thousands of identically sized and shaped particles. These particles are the isolated and purified virus.

These identical particles are then checked for uniformity by physical and/or microscopic techniques. Once the purity is determined, the particles may be further characterized. This would include examining the structure, morphology, and chemical composition of the particles. Next, their genetic makeup is characterized by extracting the genetic material directly from the purified particles and using genetic-sequencing techniques, such as Sanger sequencing, that have also been around for decades.
Then one does an analysis to confirm that these uniform particles are exogenous (outside) in origin as a virus is conceptualized to be, and not the normal breakdown products of dead and dying tissues.2 (As of May 2020, we know that virologists have no way to determine whether the particles they’re seeing are viruses or just normal break-down products of dead and dying tissues.)3

If we have come this far then we have fully isolated, characterized, and genetically sequenced an exogenous virus particle. However, we still have to show it is causally related to a disease. This is carried out by exposing a group of healthy subjects (animals are usually used) to this isolated, purified virus in the manner in which the disease is thought to be transmitted. If the animals get sick with the same disease, as confirmed by clinical and autopsy findings, one has now shown that the virus actually causes a disease. This demonstrates infectivity and transmission of an infectious agent.

None of these steps has even been attempted with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, nor have all these steps been successfully performed for any so-called pathogenic virus. Our research indicates that a single study showing these steps does not exist in the medical literature.

Instead, since 1954, virologists have taken unpurified samples from a relatively few people, often less than ten, with a similar disease. They then minimally process this sample and inoculate this unpurified sample onto tissue culture containing usually four to six other types of material — all of which contain identical genetic material as to what is called a “virus.” The tissue culture is starved and poisoned and naturally disintegrates into many types of particles, some of which contain genetic material. Against all common sense, logic, use of the English language and scientific integrity, this process is called “virus isolation.” This brew containing fragments of genetic material from many sources is then subjected to genetic analysis, which then creates in a computer-simulation process the alleged sequence of the alleged virus, a so called in silico genome. At no time is an actual virus confirmed by electron microscopy. At no time is a genome extracted and sequenced from an actual virus. This is scientific fraud.

The observation that the unpurified specimen — inoculated onto tissue culture along with toxic antibiotics, bovine fetal tissue, amniotic fluid and other tissues — destroys the kidney tissue onto which it is inoculated is given as evidence of the virus’ existence and pathogenicity. This is scientific fraud.

From now on, when anyone gives you a paper that suggests the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been isolated, please check the methods sections. If the researchers used Vero cells or any other culture method, you know that their process was not isolation. You will hear the following excuses for why actual isolation isn’t done:

1. There were not enough virus particles found in samples from patients to analyze.
2. Viruses are intracellular parasites; they can’t be found outside the cell in this manner.

If No. 1 is correct, and we can’t find the virus in the sputum of sick people, then on what evidence do we think the virus is dangerous or even lethal? If No. 2 is correct, then how is the virus spread from person to person? We are told it emerges from the cell to infect others. Then why isn’t it possible to find it?

Finally, questioning these virology techniques and conclusions is not some distraction or divisive issue. Shining the light on this truth is essential to stop this terrible fraud that humanity is confronting. For, as we now know, if the virus has never been isolated, sequenced or shown to cause illness, if the virus is imaginary, then why are we wearing masks, social distancing and putting the whole world into prison?

Finally, if pathogenic viruses don’t exist, then what is going into those injectable devices erroneously called “vaccines,” and what is their purpose? This scientific question is the most urgent and relevant one of our time.

 

[Muhammed]

the proteins were supposed to stay confined to the arm muscle

What fake news source told you that, and why did you believe them?

 

[SweetSue92]

What fake news source told you that, and why did you believe them?

Pfizer and Moderna