Should we run our country like a business?

[Flopper]

I see sense in running the country as a business. I think it would work well as long we have as CEO somebody that has risen up through the ranks based on leadership abilities, not nepotism. Getting somebody without a history of business bankruptcies would be helpful also.

The reason we can't run government like a business is because it's not a business. To be more specific, there are hundreds of laws and resulting regulations that apply only to government operations that do not apply to the private sector. They range from national security laws, laws and regulations to protect tax payer dollars, freedom of information, audit trails that are both event and financial orientated, communication with the public, congressional reporting requirements, and specific laws and regs related to every project or activity. Civil Service laws that protects employees whose interest is serving the public and not a political party puts many restrains on personnel management compare to the private sector.

Unlike businesses that can keep their operations out of the public eye, freedom of information acts make everything the government does that is not covered by national security open to public view. That mean everything has be documented and covered by acts of congress and resulting regulation.

For example, in a private business, the boss tells you I want you to create a website specifically for our new line of products. Chances are the only things you will be concerned with are the requirements of this job. Now take a look at laws and regulation on a federal website.

• 21st Century IDEA, including the required website standards, December 2018
• Connected Government Act, January 2018
• OMB M-17-06, Policies for Federal Agency Public Websites and Digital Services (PDF, 1.2 MB, 18 pages, November 2016)
• OMB Circular A-130, Managing Information as a Strategic Resource (July 28, 2016)
• Digital Government Strategy (May 2012)
• E-Government Act of 2002, Section 207
• See a full list of policies and regulations

Checklist of requirements for federal websites and digital services

Links to relevant laws, policies, and regulations for federal agencies.

digital.gov

 

[BluesLegend]

Clearly the status quo is not working. Taxes are sky high. We are trillions in debt. Illegals and drugs flood into our country. Other countries rob us blind and steal our jobs. Politicians LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH without consequence and sell us out to line their own pockets.

Hell why not try a business approach?

 

[Flopper]

Clearly the status quo is not working. Taxes are sky high. We are trillions in debt. Illegals and drugs flood into our country. Other countries rob us blind and steal our jobs. Politicians LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH without consequence and sell us out to line their own pockets.

Hell why not try a business approach?

And what would the business approach be to controlling an epidemic and satisfying the financial needs of millions of people who are out of work or their business is failing do to the epidemic.

 

[BluesLegend]

Clearly the status quo is not working. Taxes are sky high. We are trillions in debt. Illegals and drugs flood into our country. Other countries rob us blind and steal our jobs. Politicians LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH without consequence and sell us out to line their own pockets.

Hell why not try a business approach?

And what would the business approach be to controlling an epidemic and satisfying the financial needs of millions of people who are out of work or their business is failing do to the epidemic.

The current approach is complete failure, start there.

 

[Flopper]

Clearly the status quo is not working. Taxes are sky high. We are trillions in debt. Illegals and drugs flood into our country. Other countries rob us blind and steal our jobs. Politicians LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH without consequence and sell us out to line their own pockets.

Hell why not try a business approach?

And what would the business approach be to controlling an epidemic and satisfying the financial needs of millions of people who are out of work or their business is failing do to the epidemic.

The current approach is complete failure, start there.

In business, you have owners and customers. In government they are one and the same. In effect, goverment must attempt to satisfy both. However the two have conflicting interest. The customers (the people) want as much money as they can get out of government. The owners (the people) want to pay as little as possible. As I have said, you can't operate government as business because it's not a business the same as you can't operate an ocean liner as you would an airliner.

 

[Dick Foster]

An interesting interview with Trump.....the epitome of an American capitalist...who says we must deal with China or else we're done...

Donald Trump discusses with Michael Savage subjects like China, a 25% tariff, jobs, Iran, oil, the dollar, the START treaty, his possible run for President, etc.

[ame]

Better a business than a fucking insane asylum.

 

[my2¢]

To be more specific, there are hundreds of laws and resulting regulations that apply only to government operations that do not apply to the private sector.

I wouldn't want the government run like Floyd's Barber Shop but like any major US corporation which have bylaws and a vast number of SEC reporting requirements.

Apple Inc, bylaws: EX-3.2 (sec.gov)

 

[Indeependent]

When the Globalist Romney ran for President the media was thrilled because they "wanted" a businessman, rather than a politician.
When MAGA Trump ran for President the media was aghast because they "wanted" a politician, rather than a businessman.

The media is comprised of scum.

 

[Flopper]

To be more specific, there are hundreds of laws and resulting regulations that apply only to government operations that do not apply to the private sector.

I wouldn't want the government run like Floyd's Barber Shop but like any major US corporation which have bylaws and a vast number of SEC reporting requirements.

Apple Inc, bylaws: EX-3.2 (sec.gov)

The difference between running a business and running a city boils down to this: Try closing a local, little used fire station to save a few bucks. Outraged neighbors of all political stripes would storm the city council in protest. Now compare that to the silence that typically follows a corporate decision to close an underperforming branch bank or a surplus warehouse.

The success of a business lies in it's ability to make unilateral decision base on a set of operating principals that it is free to chance at anytime while the executive branch of government follows a ridged set of rules, (laws and the constitution) that it can not change. The corporation answers to stockholders who have only one interest, making a profit while government answers to the public whose interests are in continual conflict. A dictatorship could come closest to running government like a business.

 

[BothWings]

An interesting interview with Trump.....the epitome of an American capitalist...who says we must deal with China or else we're done...

Donald Trump discusses with Michael Savage subjects like China, a 25% tariff, jobs, Iran, oil, the dollar, the START treaty, his possible run for President, etc.

[ame]

It's already owned...but not by Americans and not by Donald Trump. Does that answer your question? Globalists buy governments, essentially...and then they use those governments to assimilate other governments. And that is all for economic control. Maybe the question you should really ask is who are "we"? Are we the owner...or are we becoming tenants in our own country which is owned by international banks, and media and pharmaceutical corporations? And was this happening before 2016? You bet it was. In 2016 someone finally called them out on that and then the political shit hit the media fan.

 

[Flopper]

When the Globalist Romney ran for President the media was thrilled because they "wanted" a businessman, rather than a politician.
When MAGA Trump ran for President the media was aghast because they "wanted" a politician, rather than a businessman.

The media is comprised of scum.

If government were a business, we would need a businessman to run it but it is not, and never will be.

 

[Papageorgio]

No.

A business is run to make a profit.

A government should be run to break even.

Let me know when the government breaks even, They haven’t come close to breaking even for decades.

I would like to see less reliance on government and more personal responsibility.

 

[Indeependent]

When the Globalist Romney ran for President the media was thrilled because they "wanted" a businessman, rather than a politician.
When MAGA Trump ran for President the media was aghast because they "wanted" a politician, rather than a businessman.

The media is comprised of scum.

If government were a business, we would need a businessman to run it but it is not, and never will be.

But when Romney ran for President I bet you never posted such content.

 

[Flopper]

To be more specific, there are hundreds of laws and resulting regulations that apply only to government operations that do not apply to the private sector.

I wouldn't want the government run like Floyd's Barber Shop but like any major US corporation which have bylaws and a vast number of SEC reporting requirements.

Apple Inc, bylaws: EX-3.2 (sec.gov)

I've heard the phrase, "run government like business" so many time and never do we see any description of what that government would look like. Where would congress, the constitution, elections, and thousands of laws that that regulate the operation of government fit in.

 

[DBA]

To be more specific, there are hundreds of laws and resulting regulations that apply only to government operations that do not apply to the private sector.

I wouldn't want the government run like Floyd's Barber Shop but like any major US corporation which have bylaws and a vast number of SEC reporting requirements.

Apple Inc, bylaws: EX-3.2 (sec.gov)

I've heard the phrase, "run government like business" so many time and never do we see any description of what that government would look like. Where would congress, the constitution, elections, and thousands of laws that that regulate the operation of government fit in.

Loosely translated...

Congress = Board of Electors
Constitution = Company by-laws
Elections = Hiring
Laws = Standard Operating Procedures

There doesn't need to be a one to one relationship. When people talk about running government like a business, they are typically talking about a not for profit business. They can't run continually in the red like our government does. They must be efficient enough to at break even. Our government is nowhere near running in the black.

 

[CowboyTed]

Yep a business is run to make a profit not for the benefit of it's workers.
The less the workers are paid the more the business makes.

Less pay for government employees.....sounds good to me...

Actually if it run like a business:

1. The Government makes laws so they take over any business they like.
2. Can make everyone slaves, Slaves are a cheap labour force and that maximises profits
3. Environment doesn't matter, pollute the water as long it doesn't make the workers too sick
4. Retired people have come to the end of there usefulness and killed off
5. Mentally Ill, Handicapped, certain minorities.... killed off as they disrupt the collective
6. There will be a need to have a ruling class who can look after them
7. Democracy seems inefficient and disrupts the leadership goals, best to get rid of that as well
8. North Korea sells young girls to china for prostitution and it makes a profit...
9. To keep the workers happy we need competition on TV to keep them occupied. NFL not violent enough...

So hunger games would be the outcome...

US would have a huge GDP with these few adjustments... The economy will be operated at optimal efficiency...

Does anyone see a downside?

 

[Lakhota]

Should we run our country like a business?

NO! The reasons should be obvious...

 

[Flopper]

To be more specific, there are hundreds of laws and resulting regulations that apply only to government operations that do not apply to the private sector.

I wouldn't want the government run like Floyd's Barber Shop but like any major US corporation which have bylaws and a vast number of SEC reporting requirements.

Apple Inc, bylaws: EX-3.2 (sec.gov)

I've heard the phrase, "run government like business" so many time and never do we see any description of what that government would look like. Where would congress, the constitution, elections, and thousands of laws that that regulate the operation of government fit in.

Loosely translated...

Congress = Board of Electors
Constitution = Company by-laws
Elections = Hiring
Laws = Standard Operating Procedures

There doesn't need to be a one to one relationship. When people talk about running government like a business, they are typically talking about a not for profit business. They can't run continually in the red like our government does. They must be efficient enough to at break even. Our government is nowhere near running in the black.

Voting would have to be limited to those that pay the bills; those in higher income brackets and big business. There interest is in limiting goverment spending however they are out numbered by those in the middle and lower income brackets whose main interest is not lowering government spending but keeping or expanding goverment benefits such as Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, disability, VA benefits, welfare programs, and a huge number of programs that serve the public from free child care to civil rights, to public education, to financial aid to education to consumer protection, ect....

This government that runs like a business would end up being corporate fascism and certainly not a democratic republic that is government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

If income distribution were more equitably distributed, government benefits and government cost would also be more equal thus making it easier to run goverment as a business.

 

[Kondor3]

Should we run the country like a business?

Nope.

It's been tried.

The attempt failed.

And did great damage in the trying.

I think it's gonna be a while ( a generation or two or three ) before that surfaces again.