Should the religious world thank the secular world for improving older religious law to the level of

[GreatestIam]

Should the religious world thank the secular world for improving older religious law to the level of excellence we now enjoy?


If we grade secular law against theistic laws, I think we will agree that God’s laws are unjust when compared to the laws of most lands.


Three cheers for secular world and the world’s intelligentsia. They are the Gnostics of the world and their just laws prove it.


Regards

DL

 

[crazyme]

really?


is this really an improvement?


"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." - Exodus 3:14

' I went to Church and had many come up to me and ask how I was doing and where I was from and what my name was, etc. I sat down, got up, raised my arm and said, I AM!"

Not many of them knew who 'I AM' was and so I became, 'i am'.

And up to this point, my atheist friends did support me all the way...

We would sit and philosophize the question... is it wrong to be an atheist. Can atheism and Religion go together like coffee and cream? Can strawberries be added to cheese? Are pizza toppings only for pizzas? What about David Hogg's unlearned and unwise statement? What about Freedom(s) of Choice in every Country? What about 'my' rights? Is it wrong to be an atheist?

I tried to give the reasons why he was feeling so down. I shared with him the Holy Bible's verse on God's visitation upon the land which is defiled. I shared with him the Holy Bible's verse about the land, itself, spueing out its defilers. I tried and tried. I said, 'this is the reason why'. He just kept asking, though, 'but is it wrong to be an atheist'?

Years have passed.. He is still trying to figure out his own personal 'meaning' for his living.

He asked, 'but why are there so many discrepancies among countries and religions'?

I tried to reason with him by giving him this analogy.

Just as children are dependent upon their parents for their lives, so too, are the parents dependent upon GOD for their lives. Some parents have this or that god, others this or that one, but in the end, no parent wants to see their child end up without a future. And God is The Omega, the Last.

The very first parents saw The Alpha, the very last children will see The Omega. But still, The Alpha and The Omega IS The Same, yesterday, to day and forever.

Hebrews 13:8
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

And here another question is asked. How is God the same as Jesus Christ? They are not. God is 1. The Father of Christ is 1. Jesus Christ is 1.


John 4:12
"No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us."


John 14:9
"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"


John 4:24
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."


John 15:26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"


وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدُونِ - 21:25

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL

And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me."


وَقَالُوا اتَّخَذَ الرَّحْمَٰنُ وَلَدًا ۗ سُبْحَانَهُ ۚ بَلْ عِبَادٌ مُّكْرَمُونَ - 21:26

And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken a son." Exalted is He! Rather, they are [but] honored servants.


Yes! Exalted is HE! And we are honored. And we are servants.



لَا يَسْبِقُونَهُ بِالْقَوْلِ وَهُم بِأَمْرِهِ يَعْمَلُونَ - 21:27
They cannot precede Him in word, and they act by His command.

Yes! We cannot precede HIM in word, and we act by HIS Command. Yes!


رَبَّنَا آمَنَّا بِمَا أَنزَلْتَ وَاتَّبَعْنَا الرَّسُولَ فَاكْتُبْنَا مَعَ الشَّاهِدِينَ -
3:53

Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger Jesus, so register us among the witnesses [to truth]."


John 15:26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

 

[crazyme]

1 Corinthians 1:1-3
"Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

3Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ."


Grace from God, our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[crazyme]

Should the religious world thank the secular world for improving older religious law to the level of excellence we now enjoy?


If we grade secular law against theistic laws, I think we will agree that God’s laws are unjust when compared to the laws of most lands.


Three cheers for secular world and the world’s intelligentsia. They are the Gnostics of the world and their just laws prove it.


Regards

DL

an attack against this member, GreatestIam? Hardly. Just wondering how God's Laws could be more unjust than man's laws....


Ancient man's laws being more unjust than current man's laws, maybe.. But God's Laws being more unjust than man's laws for having His Grace keep the Earth alive for so many years?

 

[GreatestIam]

really?


is this really an improvement?


"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." - Exodus 3:14

' I went to Church and had many come up to me and ask how I was doing and where I was from and what my name was, etc. I sat down, got up, raised my arm and said, I AM!"

Not many of them knew who 'I AM' was and so I became, 'i am'.

And up to this point, my atheist friends did support me all the way...

We would sit and philosophize the question... is it wrong to be an atheist. Can atheism and Religion go together like coffee and cream? Can strawberries be added to cheese? Are pizza toppings only for pizzas? What about David Hogg's unlearned and unwise statement? What about Freedom(s) of Choice in every Country? What about 'my' rights? Is it wrong to be an atheist?

I tried to give the reasons why he was feeling so down. I shared with him the Holy Bible's verse on God's visitation upon the land which is defiled. I shared with him the Holy Bible's verse about the land, itself, spueing out its defilers. I tried and tried. I said, 'this is the reason why'. He just kept asking, though, 'but is it wrong to be an atheist'?

Years have passed.. He is still trying to figure out his own personal 'meaning' for his living.

He asked, 'but why are there so many discrepancies among countries and religions'?

I tried to reason with him by giving him this analogy.

Just as children are dependent upon their parents for their lives, so too, are the parents dependent upon GOD for their lives. Some parents have this or that god, others this or that one, but in the end, no parent wants to see their child end up without a future. And God is The Omega, the Last.

The very first parents saw The Alpha, the very last children will see The Omega. But still, The Alpha and The Omega IS The Same, yesterday, to day and forever.

Hebrews 13:8
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

And here another question is asked. How is God the same as Jesus Christ? They are not. God is 1. The Father of Christ is 1. Jesus Christ is 1.


John 4:12
"No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us."


John 14:9
"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"


John 4:24
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."


John 15:26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"


وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدُونِ - 21:25

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL

And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me."


وَقَالُوا اتَّخَذَ الرَّحْمَٰنُ وَلَدًا ۗ سُبْحَانَهُ ۚ بَلْ عِبَادٌ مُّكْرَمُونَ - 21:26

And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken a son." Exalted is He! Rather, they are [but] honored servants.


Yes! Exalted is HE! And we are honored. And we are servants.



لَا يَسْبِقُونَهُ بِالْقَوْلِ وَهُم بِأَمْرِهِ يَعْمَلُونَ - 21:27
They cannot precede Him in word, and they act by His command.

Yes! We cannot precede HIM in word, and we act by HIS Command. Yes!


رَبَّنَا آمَنَّا بِمَا أَنزَلْتَ وَاتَّبَعْنَا الرَّسُولَ فَاكْتُبْنَا مَعَ الشَّاهِدِينَ -
3:53

Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger Jesus, so register us among the witnesses [to truth]."


John 15:26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

No content.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

1 Corinthians 1:1-3
"Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

3Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ."


Grace from God, our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

No content.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Should the religious world thank the secular world for improving older religious law to the level of excellence we now enjoy?


If we grade secular law against theistic laws, I think we will agree that God’s laws are unjust when compared to the laws of most lands.


Three cheers for secular world and the world’s intelligentsia. They are the Gnostics of the world and their just laws prove it.


Regards

DL

an attack against this member, GreatestIam? Hardly. Just wondering how God's Laws could be more unjust than man's laws....


Ancient man's laws being more unjust than current man's laws, maybe.. But God's Laws being more unjust than man's laws for having His Grace keep the Earth alive for so many years?

Unqualified statement.

Regards
DL

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

Should the religious world thank the secular world for improving older religious law to the level of excellence we now enjoy?


If we grade secular law against theistic laws, I think we will agree that God’s laws are unjust when compared to the laws of most lands.


Three cheers for secular world and the world’s intelligentsia. They are the Gnostics of the world and their just laws prove it.


Regards

DL

You don't know God's laws. Jesus kept them being peacful with people not working ill to anyone. The church did not teach God's laws. The 10 commandments cannot teach people to be good one to another.

 

[GreatestIam]

You don't know God's laws.

What are God's laws?

Which God, and if Yahweh, would you follow the laws of all genocidal mass murderers?

How about Hitler and Stalin's laws?

If not, why Yahweh's and Jesus give the pending Armageddon and next genocide promised by Christianity?

God's laws seem to be garbage as compare to secular law.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Jesus kept them being peacful with people not working ill to anyone.

By Jewish law, Jesus would be asking us to sin to be sabed by his death.

Jesus taught that we all are responsible for our sins. No other can be used as a sacrifice.

Christians, like it or not, must all man up sometime or be seen as the moral cowards they are.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

The church did not teach God's laws.

The 10 commandments cannot teach people to be good one to another.

Your first is true, as no one knows it.

To your last.

The commandments were not meant to do that.

They want obedience, as that is the main ingredient to a fascist regime or religion.

God does not want good people. He want obedient sheeple.

People, in our dualistic universe have to have some evil, just as they have to have some good.

Nice that without evil religious influence, we default to good.

Regards
DL

 

[norwegen]

I like the Christian law - the simple, elegant law that Jesus unearthed from that mountain of man-made laws the temple tried to abide: love God and love your neighbor.

 

[GreatestIam]

I like the Christian law - the simple, elegant law that Jesus unearthed from that mountain of man-made laws the temple tried to abide: love God and love your neighbor.

Love takes two and god is not doing his part.

Neither are other deadbeat dads.

You missed the real good news from Jesus.

That you are the only god you can ever know.

The intelligent will see that. in his words.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.
Alan Watts - On The Book of Eli - YouTube

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.
On Becoming an Adult - YouTube

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

Regards
DL

 

[norwegen]

Love takes two and god is not doing his part.

Neither are other deadbeat dads.

You missed the real good news from Jesus.

That you are the only god you can ever know.

The intelligent will see that. in his words.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.
Alan Watts - On The Book of Eli - YouTube

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.
On Becoming an Adult - YouTube

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

Regards
DL

ABC Liquor is not the pharmacy your doctor sent your prescription to.

 

[GreatestIam]

ABC Liquor is not the pharmacy your doctor sent your prescription to.

Nice deflection, stupid.

Regards
DL

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I have no argument with “Gnostics” or “Pagans” or philosophers of some almighty “logos” — at least none that seem worth arguing about in this day and age. But the “I am God …” argument sounds a little too narcissistic to me, even when qualified with “the only God I can know” and “you are yours,” etc. Even the Joseph Campbell “Follow Your Bliss” invocation seems too much a product of the “Me Generation” — at least for my tastes.

But hell, I sure don’t feel like arguing about it!

 

[GreatestIam]

I have no argument with “Gnostics” or “Pagans” or philosophers of some almighty “logos” — at least none that seem worth arguing about in this day and age. But the “I am God …” argument sounds a little too narcissistic to me, even when qualified with “the only God I can know” and “you are yours,” etc. Even the Joseph Campbell “Follow Your Bliss” invocation seems too much a product of the “Me Generation” — at least for my tastes.

But hell, I sure don’t feel like arguing about it!

Ya. Why would you or any moral person argue against our good and great religions?

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule.

Please get back to me with your conclusion.

Martin Niemöller
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

Love takes two and god is not doing his part.

Isn't that an argument Satan would make?

 

[Stann]

really?


is this really an improvement?


"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." - Exodus 3:14

' I went to Church and had many come up to me and ask how I was doing and where I was from and what my name was, etc. I sat down, got up, raised my arm and said, I AM!"

Not many of them knew who 'I AM' was and so I became, 'i am'.

And up to this point, my atheist friends did support me all the way...

We would sit and philosophize the question... is it wrong to be an atheist. Can atheism and Religion go together like coffee and cream? Can strawberries be added to cheese? Are pizza toppings only for pizzas? What about David Hogg's unlearned and unwise statement? What about Freedom(s) of Choice in every Country? What about 'my' rights? Is it wrong to be an atheist?

I tried to give the reasons why he was feeling so down. I shared with him the Holy Bible's verse on God's visitation upon the land which is defiled. I shared with him the Holy Bible's verse about the land, itself, spueing out its defilers. I tried and tried. I said, 'this is the reason why'. He just kept asking, though, 'but is it wrong to be an atheist'?

Years have passed.. He is still trying to figure out his own personal 'meaning' for his living.

He asked, 'but why are there so many discrepancies among countries and religions'?

I tried to reason with him by giving him this analogy.

Just as children are dependent upon their parents for their lives, so too, are the parents dependent upon GOD for their lives. Some parents have this or that god, others this or that one, but in the end, no parent wants to see their child end up without a future. And God is The Omega, the Last.

The very first parents saw The Alpha, the very last children will see The Omega. But still, The Alpha and The Omega IS The Same, yesterday, to day and forever.

Hebrews 13:8
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

And here another question is asked. How is God the same as Jesus Christ? They are not. God is 1. The Father of Christ is 1. Jesus Christ is 1.


John 4:12
"No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us."


John 14:9
"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"


John 4:24
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."


John 15:26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"


وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدُونِ - 21:25

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL

And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me."


وَقَالُوا اتَّخَذَ الرَّحْمَٰنُ وَلَدًا ۗ سُبْحَانَهُ ۚ بَلْ عِبَادٌ مُّكْرَمُونَ - 21:26

And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken a son." Exalted is He! Rather, they are [but] honored servants.


Yes! Exalted is HE! And we are honored. And we are servants.



لَا يَسْبِقُونَهُ بِالْقَوْلِ وَهُم بِأَمْرِهِ يَعْمَلُونَ - 21:27
They cannot precede Him in word, and they act by His command.

Yes! We cannot precede HIM in word, and we act by HIS Command. Yes!


رَبَّنَا آمَنَّا بِمَا أَنزَلْتَ وَاتَّبَعْنَا الرَّسُولَ فَاكْتُبْنَا مَعَ الشَّاهِدِينَ -
3:53

Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger Jesus, so register us among the witnesses [to truth]."


John 15:26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

Actually modern law is moving away from the Christian-Judeo morals and towards universal ethics as the basis for all our laws; it's simply more just and less prejudiced.

 

[GreatestIam]

Isn't that an argument Satan would make?

Given her intelligence as compared to Yahweh, more than likely as it is an honest inquiry.

She is more moral than the genocidal prick.

Check the death tole.

Regards
DL