Setting The Record Straight Again...

[IM2]

How are whites being helped more?

Go study history.

 

[IM2]

What are you excluded from? How about YOU make accurate claims about people today.

I am. Now stop asking dumb questions to avoid facing things. Blacks were excluded by law from almost everythinb until 58 years ago. That does impact blacks right now. Quit pretending that things just magically stopped and everything is equal. It's not. Stop pretending words written on paper magically made things end. Because it didn't. Now you want to argue all the time and your arguments are not evidence based. I have been denied jobs and promotions and have seen whites I trained or had more experience then get promoted before me. You argue with opinions spoken by other whites and think that's enough. It's not. And if the past was irrelevant, none of us would be here now because our births happened because of people of lived in the pasr. Now can the crap and go read about Affirmative Action and what it has done for women.

Then read about how the programs from the New Deal and Servicemens Readjustment Act is responsible for the creation of todays white middle class and how blacks were excluded. Because you take the easy way out of debate every time evidence destroys your point of view with your excuse about looking at the past. And it's trifling.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So, the government used tax payers money for alimony to women?

Don't expect him to use logic.

 

[IM2]

Don't expect him to use logic.

If what you post is logic, then there is no such thing.

 

[fncceo]

That's what alimony is.

If every individual Black person wants to sue in civil court an individual White person with whom they are in an intimate relationship for punitive damages ... then it would be a bit closer to the definition of alimony.

 

[IM2]

Citygroup did a study focusing on U.S. GDP from 2000 until 2020. The study revealed huge losses in GDP due to continuing discrimination against blacks in business revenue, education, housing credit, and income. The study determined that since the year 2000, continuing discriminatory practices in the four areas mentioned in the prior sentence resulted in a loss of 16 trillion dollars in GDP.25 The breakdown is as follows:

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.”

For all you guys who keep talking about things as if they are in the past because you see racism as "no blacks signs" and can't or won't recognize the covert racist strategies employed today, this is what's happening to blacks RIGHT NOW. By the same people trying to tell us how its a thing of the past and how they can't be held responsible for what their grandparents did and how nobody today thinks like that. Stop lying about this. People today do think that way, you see it in here every single day.

 

[Batcat]

Stupid. You see the black tax dollars that helped pay for the streets you drive on, and probably to the company that built your house.

I am white and I also pay taxes. Those taxes I pay go to building streets and infrastructure the same as taxes paid by black people.

That‘s why I would love to see our school system turn out well educated students of all races that have the skills to work in high paying jobs. That would mean they would pay more taxes and possibly my tax burden would decrease.

I want to see more rich people and I don’t care about their racial backgrounds. In my utopia everybody would be rich.

Also keep in mind many people do not pay ANY income tax

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If what you post is logic, then there is no such thing.

Tell me again how a military pension is reparations. LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Citygroup did a study focusing on U.S. GDP from 2000 until 2020. The study revealed huge losses in GDP due to continuing discrimination against blacks in business revenue, education, housing credit, and income. The study determined that since the year 2000, continuing discriminatory practices in the four areas mentioned in the prior sentence resulted in a loss of 16 trillion dollars in GDP.25 The breakdown is as follows:

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.”

For all you guys who keep talking about things as if they are in the past because you see racism as "no blacks signs" and can't or won't recognize the covert racist strategies employed today, this is what's happening to blacks RIGHT NOW. By the same people trying to tell us how its a thing of the past and how they can't be held responsible for what their grandparents did and how nobody today thinks like that. Stop lying about this. People today do think that way, you see it in here every single day.

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

To justify that, blacks would have to close the skills/education gap first.

 

[MizMolly]

Go read the definition of reparations. The courts determine payments to women as reparative damages. That's what alimony is.

The money comes from the ex spouse or baby daddy, not uninvolved taxpayers.

 

[MizMolly]

Go study history.

Today

 

[MizMolly]

I am. Now stop asking dumb questions to avoid facing things. Blacks were excluded by law from almost everythinb until 58 years ago. That does impact blacks right now. Quit pretending that things just magically stopped and everything is equal. It's not. Stop pretending words written on paper magically made things end. Because it didn't. Now you want to argue all the time and your arguments are not evidence based. I have been denied jobs and promotions and have seen whites I trained or had more experience then get promoted before me. You argue with opinions spoken by other whites and think that's enough. It's not. And if the past was irrelevant, none of us would be here now because our births happened because of people of lived in the pasr. Now can the crap and go read about Affirmative Action and what it has done for women.

Then read about how the programs from the New Deal and Servicemens Readjustment Act is responsible for the creation of todays white middle class and how blacks were excluded. Because you take the easy way out of debate every time evidence destroys your point of view with your excuse about looking at the past. And it's trifling.

T O D A Y

 

[IM2]

T O D A Y

Those programs are why whites have what they do

TODAY.

Teflon Theory of History​

Sat Oct 9th 2010 by abagond

The Teflon Theory of American History says that anything that took place over 30 years ago is Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on the present. Or not much. Unless it was something good like the light bulb or the Declaration of Independence. Therefore those who make a big deal of the bad stuff in the past, like slavery, are Living in the Past and need to Get Over It.

For example:
Jim Crow laws were overturned by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s. Therefore according to Teflon Theory the Jim Crow period is now Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on how White Americans alive today think and act. None whatsoever. Or not much. So racism is pretty much dead.

Instead of Jim Crow’s effect slowly weakening over time like you would expect, Teflon Theory would have you suppose that it just disappeared like magic one afternoon sometime in the late 1960s. Even though many White Americans alive now were alive back in Jim Crow times. Even though many others were brought up and shaped by those who were alive back then: parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, teachers, writers, film directors, television producers, news editors and so on.

Few sit on a mountain top to come up with their beliefs all on their own. Instead most people pretty much go along with what everyone else already believes with maybe a few twists here and there. Such beliefs come from the past.
So then why is Teflon Theory believed?

• Because of how American history is taught:
  • American history is taught as dates and people and facts that have little to do with each other. Sometimes the Effects of the the Civil War or Industrialization are studied, for example, but not so for the evil stuff – like how slavery and genocide led to present-day White American wealth, power and racism.
  • American history as taught rarely comes up to the present day. History becomes something in the past, in a book, not something we live in right now.
• Because of the needs of White American self-image:
  • White Americans want to think they are Basically Good and their society is Basically Just. Without Teflon Theory that becomes laughable since it flies in the face of history, common sense and human nature.
  • White Americans avoid honestly facing up to their past because deep down they know it is ugly. Teflon Theory acts as a guard against having to take it seriously.
• Because middle-class whites are protected from the ugly present:
  • Those who live in Apple-pie America rarely see first-hand the injustice that their comfortable lives are built on. And what injustice they do see on occasion, like black ghettos or wars on television fought overseas in their name, they have already learned to not see as injustice. But being protected from the ugly present makes the ugly past seem like another world, like it truly is ancient history with no bearing on the present.

Teflon Theory of History

The Teflon Theory of American History says that anything that took place over 30 years ago is Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on the present. Or not much. Unless it was something good …

abagond.wordpress.com

Life doesn't work the wat you imagine and racism by whites exists TODAY.

Town's Black Citizens Sue Police Department Over Mississippi 'Martial Law'​

MSN

www.msn.com

This is a small town with little to no crime in 2022.

End the dumb stuff Molly, white racism is not a thing of the past.

 

[MizMolly]

Those programs are why whites have what they do

TODAY.

Teflon Theory of History​

Sat Oct 9th 2010 by abagond

The Teflon Theory of American History says that anything that took place over 30 years ago is Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on the present. Or not much. Unless it was something good like the light bulb or the Declaration of Independence. Therefore those who make a big deal of the bad stuff in the past, like slavery, are Living in the Past and need to Get Over It.

For example:
Jim Crow laws were overturned by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s. Therefore according to Teflon Theory the Jim Crow period is now Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on how White Americans alive today think and act. None whatsoever. Or not much. So racism is pretty much dead.

Instead of Jim Crow’s effect slowly weakening over time like you would expect, Teflon Theory would have you suppose that it just disappeared like magic one afternoon sometime in the late 1960s. Even though many White Americans alive now were alive back in Jim Crow times. Even though many others were brought up and shaped by those who were alive back then: parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, teachers, writers, film directors, television producers, news editors and so on.

Few sit on a mountain top to come up with their beliefs all on their own. Instead most people pretty much go along with what everyone else already believes with maybe a few twists here and there. Such beliefs come from the past.
So then why is Teflon Theory believed?

• Because of how American history is taught:
  • American history is taught as dates and people and facts that have little to do with each other. Sometimes the Effects of the the Civil War or Industrialization are studied, for example, but not so for the evil stuff – like how slavery and genocide led to present-day White American wealth, power and racism.
  • American history as taught rarely comes up to the present day. History becomes something in the past, in a book, not something we live in right now.
• Because of the needs of White American self-image:
  • White Americans want to think they are Basically Good and their society is Basically Just. Without Teflon Theory that becomes laughable since it flies in the face of history, common sense and human nature.
  • White Americans avoid honestly facing up to their past because deep down they know it is ugly. Teflon Theory acts as a guard against having to take it seriously.
• Because middle-class whites are protected from the ugly present:
  • Those who live in Apple-pie America rarely see first-hand the injustice that their comfortable lives are built on. And what injustice they do see on occasion, like black ghettos or wars on television fought overseas in their name, they have already learned to not see as injustice. But being protected from the ugly present makes the ugly past seem like another world, like it truly is ancient history with no bearing on the present.

Teflon Theory of History

The Teflon Theory of American History says that anything that took place over 30 years ago is Ancient History. It has Absolutely No Effect on the present. Or not much. Unless it was something good …

abagond.wordpress.com

Life doesn't work the wat you imagine and racism by whites exists TODAY.

Town's Black Citizens Sue Police Department Over Mississippi 'Martial Law'​

MSN

www.msn.com

This is a small town with little to no crime in 2022.

End the dumb stuff Molly, white racism is not a thing of the past.

You can live in your anti white hateful fairyland. I never said racism was only in the past. YOU are the one who consistently posts shit from long ago, mostly before any of our lifetimes and mostly irrelevant today. Most white people today were not given anything unless they worked for it. It’s really pathetic of you to degrade people because they are white and have worked all their lives. It appears to boost your ego to think no white people, especially women, have worked to earn what they have without assistance.

 

[IM2]

If every individual Black person wants to sue in civil court an individual White person with whom they are in an intimate relationship for punitive damages ... then it would be a bit closer to the definition of alimony.

Nope. The governments made the rules and every other case of reparations have been cases against the government. It's time whites such as yourself stopped pretending that blacks are the only ones who have ever asked for reparations and that YOU will be personally paying.

We've paid for everything whites have, so your whining and false equivalences get not sympathy from me.

 

[Riff Raff]

On February 25th, 1913, the 16th Amendment of the United States Constitution was ratified. This amendment created the income tax. Today, every working American must pay income tax unless their income is below a certain level. Since 1913 blacks have paid federal income taxes to help finance programs and policies that have excluded us. Most states began income taxes during Jim Crow Apartheid, and working blacks paid income taxes that helped states implement policies enforcing apartheid.

More than 50 billion dollars (based on 1930’s value) was spent on The New Deal and Servicemen's Readjustment Act. That amount equals over 1 trillion dollars in today's money. Both programs are credited with providing a significant boost to wealth accumulation in America. Both policies excluded vast numbers of black who worked and paid taxes. Federal housing policies kept blacks segregated in poorly built or maintained property using tax dollars working blacks paid. Education, paid for by tax dollars blacks pay into the system, continues underfunding schools in black neighborhoods. Blacks pay taxes to fund law enforcement who kill blacks at three times our population, even as whites are more than double the arrests. Tax money working blacks pay into the system allocated for social services or community development are not equally invested in organizations, services, or policies that would increase positive outcomes in black communities. When the discussion is about reparations, we can leave slavery out of the debate and still demand trillions of dollars from city, county, state, and federal governments for policies that have denied or continues to deny equal protection as defined by American law.

So it's time for the I'm not going to pay my money people to shut up. Blacks have paid for most everything whites have today. Literally from slavery to this moment. While a lot of our communities remain underdeveloped and underserved, black tax dollars fund white community development. Black dollars drawing interest in white banks get loaned to white entrepreneurs to start businesses while blacks get denied. So let's set the record straight, blacks have paid taxes for 109 years and have watched whites get things we have been refused.

Jonathan Kaplan and Andrew Valls, Housing Discrimination As A Basis For Black Reparations, Public Affairs Quarterly, Volume 21, Number 3, July 2007

H.R.3745 - Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African Americans Act, H.R.3745 - 101st Congress (1989-1990): Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African Americans Act

Shawn D Rochester, The Black Tax: The Cost of Being Black in America, pg, 82,

According to taxrecords.org................

83% of American taxpayers are WHITE.
13% are Blacks.
3.6% are Asian.
and the rest is all the other races.


You lose.
Try again.

Good Steward Publishing, Southbury CT., 2018

U.S. Constitution - Sixteenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

When Did Your State Adopt Its Income Tax? | Tax Foundation

Jim Powell, The 'Old' New Deal Still Isn't Paid For, The 'Old' New Deal Still Isn't Paid For

Servicemen's Readjustment Act (1944) | National Archives

www.archives.gov

Considering the far larger individual and corporate amounts by those 83% of White people, one has to figure White people pay almost all (about 95%?) of taxes paid.

I don't know if the black pittance would be enough to buy a Payday candy bar.

 

[IM2]

The case for reparations is against the governments of this country. And you guys really won't have much say about things. Your opinions don't match the evidence that can be presented to make our case.

 

[fncceo]

We've paid for everything whites have

I hope you kept receipts.

 

[hadit]

On February 25th, 1913, the 16th Amendment of the United States Constitution was ratified. This amendment created the income tax. Today, every working American must pay income tax unless their income is below a certain level. Since 1913 blacks have paid federal income taxes to help finance programs and policies that have excluded us. Most states began income taxes during Jim Crow Apartheid, and working blacks paid income taxes that helped states implement policies enforcing apartheid.

More than 50 billion dollars (based on 1930’s value) was spent on The New Deal and Servicemen's Readjustment Act. That amount equals over 1 trillion dollars in today's money. Both programs are credited with providing a significant boost to wealth accumulation in America. Both policies excluded vast numbers of black who worked and paid taxes. Federal housing policies kept blacks segregated in poorly built or maintained property using tax dollars working blacks paid. Education, paid for by tax dollars blacks pay into the system, continues underfunding schools in black neighborhoods. Blacks pay taxes to fund law enforcement who kill blacks at three times our population, even as whites are more than double the arrests. Tax money working blacks pay into the system allocated for social services or community development are not equally invested in organizations, services, or policies that would increase positive outcomes in black communities. When the discussion is about reparations, we can leave slavery out of the debate and still demand trillions of dollars from city, county, state, and federal governments for policies that have denied or continues to deny equal protection as defined by American law.

So it's time for the I'm not going to pay my money people to shut up. Blacks have paid for most everything whites have today. Literally from slavery to this moment. While a lot of our communities remain underdeveloped and underserved, black tax dollars fund white community development. Black dollars drawing interest in white banks get loaned to white entrepreneurs to start businesses while blacks get denied. So let's set the record straight, blacks have paid taxes for 109 years and have watched whites get things we have been refused.

Jonathan Kaplan and Andrew Valls, Housing Discrimination As A Basis For Black Reparations, Public Affairs Quarterly, Volume 21, Number 3, July 2007

H.R.3745 - Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African Americans Act, H.R.3745 - 101st Congress (1989-1990): Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African Americans Act

Shawn D Rochester, The Black Tax: The Cost of Being Black in America, pg, 82, Good Steward Publishing, Southbury CT., 2018

U.S. Constitution - Sixteenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

When Did Your State Adopt Its Income Tax? | Tax Foundation

Jim Powell, The 'Old' New Deal Still Isn't Paid For, The 'Old' New Deal Still Isn't Paid For

Servicemen's Readjustment Act (1944) | National Archives

www.archives.gov

Based on that standard, EVERY government program that excludes ANYONE is unfair, presumably should be terminated and all funding returned to the taxpayers. Shall we go down that road?