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Senate Democrats Plan to Adjourn Without Passing Budget for Third Consecutive Year

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Debt Up $5T Since Senate Last Passed a Budget
October 29, 2012 – The national debt has risen by $5 trillion in the three-and-a-half years since the Senate last passed a budget on April 29, 2009. On that date, the debt was $11.2 trillion. As of October 29, 2012 it stood at $16.2 trillion.
The last budget resolution passed by a vote of 53-43 in the Senate, marking the last time a budget resolution passed that body. In fact, in 2011 and 2012 the Senate never even drafted a budget resolution. The 2009 budget covered fiscal year 2010. Democrats, led by Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.), have held a majority in the Senate since 2007.

Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-S.D.) cancelled a planned budget drafting hearing earlier this year, saying that the issue was better left until after the election.

While they do not technically determine federal spending and taxation levels, federal budgets set what are known as top-line levels for federal spending, setting the limit for what the appropriations committees in each house can spend. Each appropriations committee then takes those levels and divides them up among the various federal agencies.

By failing to pass a budget resolution, the Senate has effectively denied Congress the ability to set spending priorities each year, instead relying on short-term continuing resolutions and broad spending deals such as 2011’s Budget Control Act – which set federal discretionary spending caps for the next ten years. However, that law only set a cap on discretionary spending but did not set the spending levels for various federal departments such as health, educations, and defense.

Debt Up $5T Since Senate Last Passed a Budget | CNSNews.com
 
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The commiecrats raised the budget base line by nearly 30% on the last budget passed, they know the republican house will reduce that if presented with the opportunity, continuing resolution rules won't allow them to do it either. Thats why the commiecrats are stalling.
 

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You are right but SANDY can create problem now for obama.:eusa_angel:

I hope it doesn't create any problems, that door could swing either way.
 

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Jeeze. And here I thought the House has passed two budgets to the Senates none??
 

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Jeeze. And here I thought the House has passed two budgets to the Senates none??

The senate didn't agree with the crappy budget the House wanted, like Medicare changes.
 

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They also kicked Barrys budget to the curb. Twice.
 

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Isn't this the way it's supposed to work?

House passes a bill, sends it to the Senate for vote, Senate don't like some things and changes some and passes it, sends it back to House to vote, House likes some things but not others, changes some things. House passes bill, sends it back to Senate. If Senate likes it, they pass it and sends it to President. If the President likes it, he signs it and it becomes law. If he don't like it, he vetoes it and sends it back to be done again.

In this case, House passes budget, sends it to Senate. The Senate sits on it and don't vote on it. House passes another, sends it to Senate. The Senate sits on it and don't vote on it.

See a pattern? Now, who's being obstructive?
 

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Jeeze. And here I thought the House has passed two budgets to the Senates none??

House budget= repeal Obamacare, make the Bush tax cuts permanent, stop funding for planned parenthood, Npr and Pbs.....Ok boys.....send it to the Senate....snickersnickersnicker....
 

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I really don't think it's too much to ask for our "leaders" in the Senate to pass a freakin' budget.

Something. Anything. Just show us you give a flying fuck about the process, that you're not just laughing at us.

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Isn't this the way it's supposed to work?

House passes a bill, sends it to the Senate for vote, Senate don't like some things and changes some and passes it, sends it back to House to vote, House likes some things but not others, changes some things. House passes bill, sends it back to Senate. If Senate likes it, they pass it and sends it to President. If the President likes it, he signs it and it becomes law. If he don't like it, he vetoes it and sends it back to be done again.

In this case, House passes budget, sends it to Senate. The Senate sits on it and don't vote on it. House passes another, sends it to Senate. The Senate sits on it and don't vote on it.

See a pattern? Now, who's being obstructive?

The House as always. The senate is not obligated to pass their corporate friendly budget. What happened to the part of your scenario where the house makes some changes?

You're being obtuse.
 

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Jeeze. And here I thought the House has passed two budgets to the Senates none??

House budget= repeal Obamacare, make the Bush tax cuts permanent, stop funding for planned parenthood, Npr and Pbs.....Ok boys.....send it to the Senate....snickersnickersnicker....

Because the budget resolution is a concurrent resolution, once the House and Senate each adopt their own version of the budget resolution, they typically agree to go to conference to reconcile the differences between the two versions.

Conference committees operate after the House and the Senate have passed different versions of a bill. Conference committees exist to draft a compromise bill that both houses can accept. Both houses of Congress must eventually pass the identical legislation for the bill to become law.

In order for a compromise budget to become law, both the House and the Senate have to pass a budget. The House has (twice) the Senate hasn't.
 

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Isn't this the way it's supposed to work?

House passes a bill, sends it to the Senate for vote, Senate don't like some things and changes some and passes it, sends it back to House to vote, House likes some things but not others, changes some things. House passes bill, sends it back to Senate. If Senate likes it, they pass it and sends it to President. If the President likes it, he signs it and it becomes law. If he don't like it, he vetoes it and sends it back to be done again.

In this case, House passes budget, sends it to Senate. The Senate sits on it and don't vote on it. House passes another, sends it to Senate. The Senate sits on it and don't vote on it.

See a pattern? Now, who's being obstructive?

The House as always. The senate is not obligated to pass their corporate friendly budget. What happened to the part of your scenario where the house makes some changes?

You're being obtuse.

Apparently, you didn't read my post.

House passes bill
Sends it to Senate
Senate votes
Senate don't pass it and makes changes
Senate votes and passes it
Sends it to House
House votes
House don't pass it and makes some changes
House passes it
House sends it to Senate
Senate votes
Senate passes it
Senate sends it to President
President signs it into law or vetoes it which sends it back to the House and start all over

What the Senate is doing is not even voting on it, they are sitting on it holding up the process.
 

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Yup. Along with loads of other bills passed by the House.

Harry's desk is full of those bills just gathering dust. Way to go Harry.
 

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Isn't this the way it's supposed to work?

House passes a bill, sends it to the Senate for vote, Senate don't like some things and changes some and passes it, sends it back to House to vote, House likes some things but not others, changes some things. House passes bill, sends it back to Senate. If Senate likes it, they pass it and sends it to President. If the President likes it, he signs it and it becomes law. If he don't like it, he vetoes it and sends it back to be done again.

In this case, House passes budget, sends it to Senate. The Senate sits on it and don't vote on it. House passes another, sends it to Senate. The Senate sits on it and don't vote on it.

See a pattern? Now, who's being obstructive?

The House as always. The senate is not obligated to pass their corporate friendly budget. What happened to the part of your scenario where the house makes some changes?

You're being obtuse.

Apparently, you didn't read my post.

House passes bill
Sends it to Senate
Senate votes
Senate don't pass it and makes changes
Senate votes and passes it
Sends it to House
House votes
House don't pass it and makes some changes
House passes it
House sends it to Senate
Senate votes
Senate passes it
Senate sends it to President
President signs it into law or vetoes it which sends it back to the House and start all over

What the Senate is doing is not even voting on it, they are sitting on it holding up the process.

Again, where is the part where the House changes anything objectionable? Also, this House has been the most obstructionist in the history of the congress. With the President and the Senate.
 

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The House as always. The senate is not obligated to pass their corporate friendly budget. What happened to the part of your scenario where the house makes some changes?

You're being obtuse.

Apparently, you didn't read my post.

House passes bill
Sends it to Senate
Senate votes
Senate don't pass it and makes changes
Senate votes and passes it
Sends it to House
House votes
House don't pass it and makes some changes
House passes it
House sends it to Senate
Senate votes
Senate passes it
Senate sends it to President
President signs it into law or vetoes it which sends it back to the House and start all over

What the Senate is doing is not even voting on it, they are sitting on it holding up the process.

Again, where is the part where the House changes anything objectionable? Also, this House has been the most obstructionist in the history of the congress. With the President and the Senate.

Maybe this will help you.

House passes a bill with item 1, item 2, item 3, item 4 and item 5 in it and sends it to the Senate.

The Senate gets the bill and votes on it, they don't like it and makes changes. The Senate takes out item 2, item 3 and item 5. They add item 6, item 7 and item 8. So now the bill has item 1, item 4, item 6, item 7 and item 8 in it, they pass it and send it back to the House.

The House gets the bill and vote on it, they don't like it and makes changes. They take out item 6 and item 7 and add item 2 back in and add in item 9. The bill now has item 1, item 2, item 4, item 8 and item 9 in it. The House votes and passes the bill then send it back to the Senate.

The Senate gets the bill and votes on it, they don't like it and makes changes. They take out item 9 and put item 6 back in. The bill now has item 1, item 2, item 4, item 6 and item 8 in it. They vote on it and it passes so they send back to the House.

The House votes on it and it passes. The bill is sent to the President to be signed into law or vetoed. If the President vetoes the bill, it's sent back to Congress for another vote. If the bill passes with at least 2/3rd's of the vote, it becomes law. If not, then they start again.

The final bill has item 1, item 2, item 4, item 6 and item 8 in it.

What the Senate is doing is they get the bill from the House and they do nothing with it, they sit on it stopping the process.

Does that make sense?

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Every once in a while, we get a fruitloop Congress. With the Teabaggers, that is what we have today. That is why the founding fathers, in their wisdom, created the Senate, and gave it the power to moderate the legislation, or even kill that legislation, from Congress.
 

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Hopefully things will change soon. The Democrats are a miserable failure. And i think most Americans understand that.
 

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It would help if Harry Reid took his job seriously. Talk about a DO NOTHING senate majority leader. After this election he will be gone and the Senate can get on with the country's business. There are better times ahead without Harry and Nancy.
 

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